Do you actively root for US leadership to fail? Or try to be optimistic regardless?

[hiphopanonymous]

I personally don't ever actively root for any political party or type of US leadership to fail. Why? Because I want the country to thrive, I want global diplomacy to be successful, I want American citizens to be successful. So ultimately, no matter who is in office I wish them the best and carry an air of optimism with me that hey, maybe things will head in a good direction in a few important facets until the next presidential office does something different that may benefit the country in a different way. I see a troubling trend however, where it looks like many - especially on the left - actively seek to destroy, manipulate or campaign for the failure of an active seated political party simply because they do not like them. It's like they care more about their personal pick than they do the entire nation which I feel is blatantly a self centered and short sighted trait that I have trouble understanding. Which category do you fall under and why? Maybe I'm missing something about the perspective of actively seeking for leadership failure, and perhaps if you find yourself on that side, you could explain here?

[SouBeachTalents]

I am actively rooting against Trump and hope the country falls into a recession under him, he's an existential threat to our democracy. Once he's finally out of office, I'll root for the country again.

[RRR3]

Please love my Trumpy boy :cry:
:lol

[warriorfan]

I personally don't ever actively root for any political party or type of US leadership to fail. Why? Because I want the country to thrive, I want global diplomacy to be successful, I want American citizens to be successful. So ultimately, no matter who is in office I wish them the best and carry an air of optimism with me that hey, maybe things will head in a good direction in a few important facets until the next presidential office does something different that may benefit the country in a different way. I see a troubling trend however, where it looks like many - especially on the left - actively seek to destroy, manipulate or campaign for the failure of an active seated political party simply because they do not like them. It's like they care more about their personal pick than they do the entire nation which I feel is blatantly a self centered and short sighted trait that I have trouble understanding. Which category do you fall under and why? Maybe I'm missing something about the perspective of actively seeking for leadership failure, and perhaps if you find yourself on that side, you could explain here?

Existence is pain. Misery loves company.

It’s a bunch of RRR3’s who want to bring everyone down to their level.

It’s just that simple.

[hiphopanonymous]

I am actively rooting against Trump and hope the country falls into a recession under him, he's an existential threat to our democracy. Once he's finally out of office, I'll root for the country again.

This makes no sense at all because you’re just trying to win a point basically - country be damned.

Requires quite a rigorous amount of mental gymnastics to root against success does it not?

[hiphopanonymous]

:lol

Nah, you don’t need to like anyone, that’s a misrepresentation of my post. Liking or disliking someone or their policies is fine. It’s the active efforts like rooting for the country to fail simply because you don’t like who’s in charge that comes off as smooth brain antics. Where do you stand on this? I think I could guess, but I’d like to hear you actually explain it yourself.

[Off the Court]

No one is rooting for America as whole to fail. Lots of people are rooting for Trump to fail.

Both sides openly wish the worst on each other.

We have lost all respect for each other, and I am sorry, but it is all rooted in "mean tweets". It is simply impossible for the US to heal and unite and start showing respect for another again until Trump and MAGA are dead and gone. How can you expect us to root for Musk and Trump when every day they are hurling insults at us on Twitter? Every single day Musk is telling us we are crazy. Words matter. His negative energy matters. He brings out the worst in all of us and all this tribal dumb shit will go away when he does. He is not a POTUS for all of us. He is a POTUS for half of us.

[Off the Court]

If you insult people, they are going to f@#king hate you. It's really as simple as that.

[hiphopanonymous]

No one is rooting for America as whole to fail. Lots of people are rooting for Trump to fail.

Both sides openly wish the worst on each other.

We have lost all respect for each other, and I am sorry, but it is all rooted in "mean tweets". It is simply impossible for the US to heal and unite and start showing respect for another again until Trump and MAGA are dead and gone. How can you expect us to root for Musk and Trump when every day they are hurling insults at us on Twitter? Every single day Musk is telling us we are crazy. Words matter. His negative energy matters. He brings out the worst in all of us and all this tribal dumb shit will go away when he does. He is not a POTUS for all of us. He is a POTUS for half of us.
You act as if they were speaking to you? I have never once felt that they called me crazy - so I’m assuming you aligned yourself with some sort of ideology that they called crazy? I don’t even agree with all the trump like rhetoric - however I also feel hurt feelings are received, and the sole responsibility of the recipients, not the deliverers.

[hiphopanonymous]

If you insult people, they are going to f@#king hate you. It's really as simple as that.
Idk, I’ve had people attempt to insult me plenty of times, I don’t hate them. It might make me think twice about working with them or forming relationships but where should hate come from? That’s not even an equal response. That’s kind of an unhinged reaction to hate people based on what they say is it not? Maybe they don’t understand a position? Maybe they know something you don’t know? Maybe they just don’t vibe with whatever it is you find to be important? Every time I see people take things personally and retaliate with feelings I always find that they make poor choices in life in general - you can’t make a good living absorbing insults and seeking retribution all the time. Have you not observed a similar pattern?

[diamenz]

I am actively rooting against Trump and hope the country falls into a recession under him, he's an existential threat to our democracy. Once he's finally out of office, I'll root for the country again.

indeed.

trump is very dangerous for this country - trust me... msabc told me how much of a threat he is to our theocracy. he is definitely himmler 2.0.

i had a safe space under biden and i campaigned for kamala so trust me i was absolutely heartbroken when i heard the news and have been in a depressive 'fight or flight' state every since that fateful night. he is definitely the worstest.

[Off the Court]

You act as if they were speaking to you? I have never once felt that they called me crazy - so I’m assuming you aligned yourself with some sort of ideology that they called crazy? I don’t even agree with all the trump like rhetoric - however I also feel hurt feelings are received, and the sole responsibility of the recipients, not the deliverers.

It is on the LEADER to gain the respect of those he leads. Hurling insults does not work in a leadership role. Common sense.

Hilarious watching Musk play victim after years of him telling half the country they have a mind virus. Now he's evolved to flat out calling people "retard". What a SHOCKER that people want to burn Teslas to the ground.

You can disagree with people, without insulting them, and that is a concept that they do not get.

[Off the Court]

Idk, I’ve had people attempt to insult me plenty of times, I don’t hate them. It might make me think twice about working with them or forming relationships but where should hate come from? That’s not even an equal response. That’s kind of an unhinged reaction to hate people based on what they say is it not? Maybe they don’t understand a position? Maybe they know something you don’t know? Maybe they just don’t vibe with whatever it is you find to be important? Every time I see people take things personally and retaliate with feelings I always find that they make poor choices in life in general - you can’t make a good living absorbing insults and seeking retribution all the time. Have you not observed a similar pattern?

Sure, maybe it is HALF THE COUNTRY's FAULT :oldlol:

Millions of people all feel a certain way, their fault, not his.

[Off the Court]

If Jack Dorsey had been tweeting all the tribal shit that Musk is? I feel 100% certain I would have felt he was out of line. Or at minimum I would have understood why so many hate his guts.

[hiphopanonymous]

It is on the LEADER to gain the respect of those he leads. Hurling insults does not work in a leadership role. Common sense.

Hilarious watching Musk play victim after years of him telling half the country they have a mind virus. Now he's evolved to flat out calling people "retard". What a SHOCKER that people want to burn Teslas to the ground.

You can disagree with people, without insulting them, and that is a concept that they do not get.
You can kindly and in a well-mannered way, steer the ship into an iceberg. You can vociferously and bellicosely steer the ship out of harms way.

You understand that - at least conceptually - correct?

And surely you don’t actually agree that an insulted person is actually justified in escalating to efforts towards destruction of property correct?

[Off the Court]

You can kindly and in a well-mannered way, steer the ship into an iceberg. You can vociferously and bellicosely steer the ship out of harms way.

You understand that - at least conceptually - correct?

And surely you don’t actually agree that an insulted person is actually justified in escalating to efforts towards destruction of property correct?

Right or wrong is beside the point. If you walk up to a stranger and call him a retard, you should expect to be punched in face.

If you want that stranger to admire you and respect you? Complimenting that person is much more effective, or at least saying nothing.

Do you think an NBA coach can effectively coach his players while constantly insulting them at the same time?

[SouBeachTalents]

indeed.

trump is very dangerous for this country - trust me... msabc told me how much of a threat he is to our theocracy. he is definitely himmler 2.0.

i had a safe space under biden and i campaigned for kamala so trust me i was absolutely heartbroken when i heard the news and have been in a depressive 'fight or flight' state every since that fateful night. he is definitely the worstest.
There's just too many racists and sexists out there who would rather vote for an insurrectionist than a woman of color. I admittedly don't watch MSNBC as often as I used to after they let Joy Reid go, but I hope they're still holding Trump's feet to the fire and closely monitoring all the horrible things that he says.

We just gotta keep fighting the good fight brother, we'll have our chance again in 4 years, I just know I likely won't be as excited for the next candidate as I was for Kamala.

[hiphopanonymous]

Sure, maybe it is HALF THE COUNTRY's FAULT :oldlol:

Millions of people all feel a certain way, their fault, not his.
Half the room in a room full of people generally are not in good control of their own personal feelings, yes, that is a fairly accurate statement and that is irrespective of politics. The ones who haven’t figured out that they are in control of their feelings will have a lot more problems happening in their lives too, because they lack accountability. Anyone who feels a person like trump or anyone else out there on twitter that they’ve never met is actually capable of personally offending them I would argue has a very tenuous control over their feelings and is likely prone to making very poor, emotionally unhinged, choices. Everyone else should not bend to their tantrums. Rather, they should learn some self control.

[Off the Court]

Half the room in a room full of people generally are not in good control of their own personal feelings, yes, that is a fairly accurate statement and that is irrespective of politics. The ones who haven’t figured out that they are in control of their feelings will have a lot more problems happening in their lives too, because they lack accountability. Anyone who feels a person like trump or anyone else out there on twitter that they’ve never met is actually capable of personally offending them I would argue has a very tenuous control over their feelings and is likely prone to making very poor, emotionally unhinged, choices. Everyone else should not bend to their tantrums. Rather, they should learn some self control.

SURE, everyone who hates Trump are people who are emotionally unhinged :oldlol:

I can do that too, everyone that stands with Trump is an uneducated dumb f@#kin inbred redneck.

Now how did we get to this place where we show no respect for each other? I'm sorry but Trump opened the door to all this disrespect.

[Off the Court]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7Is43K6lrg


Remember this?

hard core leftist Michael Moore BOOOOED off stage by HOLLYWOOD of all people for insulting Republican POTUS Bush Jr.

No one in that crowd voted for Bush Jr, but they still booed Moore because they stood with the US first and foremost.

Because as horrid and awful as Bush Jr was, he wasn't divisive. He didn't insult the left all day every day. He still tried to lead ALL of us.

This is the difference that "mean tweets" make.

[hiphopanonymous]

Right or wrong is beside the point. If you walk up to a stranger and call him a retard, you should expect to be punched in face.

If you want that stranger to admire you and respect you? Complimenting that person is much more effective, or at least saying nothing.

Do you think an NBA coach can effectively coach his players while constantly insulting them at the same time?
I don’t entirely agree with this actually - let’s change it up:

Say to a stranger: fix your posture, wear nicer clothes and carry yourself more proudly and you’ll make a better impression on people.
They could very well “feel offended”… still deserve to be punched? It’s of course probably better to mind your own business but… if the stranger decides to go on the attack, clearly they’re way way way more in the wrong.

And complimenting them? Emperors new clothes vibe. Kissing ass is not a leadership trait at all. Who the heck would that win over other than narcissistic people? - and they’ll lead you not the other way around anyways.

Coaches that challenge people gain respect. You have to risk being offensive, to successfully challenge anyone at anything. Arguably, this is what trump - I believe - tries to do. Can he cross the line? Absolutely. But it’s the risk you take when challenging people. It’s also a case in point why sensitive people who aren’t in control or their feelings do not generally do well in life. Deciphering what is an insult and what is a challenge to do better in some way can be quite tough. Particularly if you are inclined to take things as an insult.

[hiphopanonymous]

SURE, everyone who hates Trump are people who are emotionally unhinged :oldlol:

I can do that too, everyone that stands with Trump is an uneducated dumb f@#kin inbred redneck.

Now how did we get to this place where we show no respect for each other? I'm sorry but Trump opened the door to all this disrespect.
So he’s responsible for how you responded? How does that make sense. You’re your own man are you not? He didn’t make you do anything, you did it on your own. Or are you beholden, always stuck completely behind others? Same is true for anyone. You are personally responsible for yourself and all actions and reactions you take or do.

[Off the Court]

"To get respect you have to give respect"

This is leadership 101 BASICS bruh.

You want it to be everyone else's fault. It's on HIM. If he wants everyone to respect him, he has to first respect others.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/77/69/4b/77694bb706ccd1d67d753c96a2f41097.jpg

[hiphopanonymous]

"To get respect you have to give respect"

This is leadership 101 BASICS bruh.

You want it to be everyone else's fault. It's on HIM. If he wants everyone to respect him, he has to first respect others.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/77/69/4b/77694bb706ccd1d67d753c96a2f41097.jpg
Give respect to who? And how? Does context change? Are there alternative ways to lead than an oversimplified quote? Who even made that quote? Observe successful people rather than just seeking a meme. Like them or not people like Trump or Musk were highly successful long before you or anyone else ever even decided to “hate” them. Clearly, their sets of traits can’t actually be all that poor in leadership or irrespective of political stints - when it was purely private economy positions of leadership - they couldn’t have been so successful at …leading.

[Off the Court]

That quote has been around for eons lol. It is BASIC COMMON SENSE.

If someone calls you a dumb ass, you aren't going to respect that person. Unless something is wrong with you.

If you call your wife a dumb bitch, is it her fault for leaving you?

I'm sorry man.

[hiphopanonymous]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7Is43K6lrg


Remember this?

hard core leftist Michael Moore BOOOOED off stage by HOLLYWOOD of all people for insulting Republican POTUS Bush Jr.

No one in that crowd voted for Bush Jr, but they still booed Moore because they stood with the US first and foremost.

Because as horrid and awful as Bush Jr was, he wasn't divisive. He didn't insult the left all day every day. He still tried to lead ALL of us.

This is the difference that "mean tweets" make.
Now I can't tell if you're trolling. Mean tweets being the crux of justified hatred is you just messing with me right?

[Off the Court]

Now I can't tell if you're trolling. Mean tweets being the crux of justified hatred is you just messing with me right?

No. Treating people with respect is BASIC LEADERSHIP. None of the rest works without it. Have you ever led a team by telling them they are retards? You can't. They will hate you.

And for the country to unite? It is going to have to start with Trump being humble and actually "LEADING" us into unison. But since we all know that is literally impossible, the only way we will heal is when he is dead and gone.

[hiphopanonymous]

No. Treating people with respect is BASIC LEADERSHIP. None of the rest works without it. Have you ever led a team by telling them they are retards? You can't. They will hate you.

And for the country to unite? It is going to have to start with Trump being humble and actually "LEADING" us into unison. But since we all know that is literally impossible, the only way we will heal is when he is dead and gone.

Can't say that I have ever lead a group by calling them retards, no. Generally speaking, I try not to resort to name calling. Generally speaking I also didn't find it becoming of Trump in the times I noticed he had resorted to name calling either - depending on the context.

Just as devils advocate here though, many times I've observed Trump tended to crack a joke about or reserved his insults for people he had no intention of winning over. Such as Rosie O'Donnell. Or Adam Schiff.

Certain people, he seems to view as enemies, that he perhaps isn't wrong that no matter what - they'd always be his enemies - and he needs nothing from them. Thus - they become the butt of jokes. Technically speaking - while I wouldn't bother to insult people I've determined to be my enemies simply for the sake of humor or discussion - I would certainly not waste my time bothering to try and win them over. Trump tends to shoot from the hip on jokes or levity. Sometimes it's actually kinda funny, unless of course you're the person siding with whomever he has deemed a dunce. Leadership isn't just about winning everyone over, in my opinion it's also about learning who not to waste your time with. While he may be pissing off these people who he already found to be opposition, he may feel he is emboldening or rallying his own side with such rhetoric. Pretty divisive tactic I agree. But again, he's been at a pretty high apex of leadership even before he ever was a President. What do I or you know about leadership compared to someone like him or Musk? They should be writing the book or writing the memes for people to share on leadership.

[Off the Court]

Can't say that I have ever lead a group by calling them retards, no. Generally speaking, I try not to resort to name calling. Generally speaking I also didn't find it becoming of Trump in the times I noticed he had resorted to name calling either - depending on the context.

Just as devils advocate here though, many times I've observed Trump tended to crack a joke about or reserved his insults for people he had no intention of winning over. Such as Rosie O'Donnell. Or Adam Schiff.

Certain people, he seems to view as enemies, that he perhaps isn't wrong that no matter what - they'd always be his enemies. Thus - they become the butt of jokes. Technically speaking - while I wouldn't bother to insult people I've determined to be my enemies simply for the sake of humor or discussion - I would certainly not waste my time bothering to try and win them over. Trump tends to shoot from the hip on jokes or levity. Sometimes it's actually kinda funny, unless of course you're the person siding with whomever he has deemed a dunce. Leadership isn't just about winning everyone over, in my opinion i's also about learning who not to waste your time with. While he may be pissing off these people who he already found to be opposition, hey may feel he is emboldening or rallying his own side with such rhetoric. Pretty divisive tactic I agree. But again, he's been at a pretty high apex of leadership even before he ever was a President. What do I or you know about leadership compared to someone like him or Musk? They should be writing the book or writing the memes for people to share on leadership.

Neither Trump or Musk has ever been in politics until now. They both know how to lead a company, where being an asshole boss could perhaps be effective. And funny thing, Trump's one successful venture "The Apprentice" was him enticing the country with his abrasive asshole boss persona. Where he treats his employees like shit. And he brought that Apprentice persona into politics, but in politics it is divisive, and it is not effective if you want the entire country to have your back. JFK's persona is more effective for that.

Openly insulting anyone in your own country is bad leadership IMO. Obama didn't want to get caught calling Kanye a Jackass. He was caught off guard when it happened. But that is something that Trump would openly express without caring about the repercussions.

[j3lademaster]

This is rich coming from the side that actually tried to storm the capital and coup the government. But yeah, this is a recent trend of the LEFT since Trump took office :roll:

[RRR3]

This is rich coming from the side that actually tried to storm the capital and coup the government. But yeah, this is a recent trend of the LEFT since Trump took office :roll:
:roll: :roll: :roll:

I stopped trying to reason with OP after he defended Trump kidnapping someone for peacefully protesting because "they weren't an American citizen so its ok". But remember, they're for "small government" :roll:

[j3lademaster]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

I stopped trying to reason with OP after he defended Trump kidnapping someone for peacefully protesting because "they weren't an American citizen so its ok". But remember, they're for "small government" :roll:That's pretty gross. But I mean, they're defending Trump building a 30,000 occupancy camp at Guantanamo so I'm not surprised at this point.

[RRR3]

That's pretty gross. But I mean, they're defending Trump building a 30,000 occupancy camp at Guantanamo so I'm not surprised at this point.
Not to mention they always shriek about him being anti-war and he's currently massacring both Yemen and Palestine (let's not act like Israel and Trump aren't in cahoots, he could stop it if he wanted to, this is what he wants).

[hiphopanonymous]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

I stopped trying to reason with OP after he defended Trump kidnapping someone for peacefully protesting because "they weren't an American citizen so its ok". But remember, they're for "small government" :roll:
You tried to “reason” with me by claiming a non US citizen had the same rights as US citizens. That was pretty stupid of you let’s be honest. As for j3lademaster, I never was and never have been a supporter of how January 6th went down. That’s the difference between being centered and using common sense and just blindly clinging to ideologies or political parties. Two wrongs definitely don’t make a right. I suppose you both don’t agree however.

[RRR3]

You tried to “reason” with me by claiming a non US citizen had the same rights as US citizens. That was pretty stupid of you let’s be honest. As for j3lademaster, I never was and never have been a supporter of how January 6th went down. That’s the difference between being centered and using common sense and just blindly clinging to ideologies or political parties. Two wrongs definitely don’t make a right. I suppose you both don’t agree however.
If you need the government to tell you what's morally right or not, you're already losing the argument. Especially one that is modeling itself after Nazi Germany.

[RRR3]

The funniest shit about defending this administration in regards to citizenship....

https://thecirclenews.org/cover-story/trump-questions-native-american-birthright/



This ****ing retard is questioning if NATIVE AMERICANS are citizens

[diamenz]

on a serious note though, i root for this particular administration to fail on multiple fronts including corporate tax breaks, buying and occupying gaza and driving it's inhabitants out on behalf of israel and going to war (possibly nuclear) with iran (again on behalf of israel) further poking the ww3 bear.

also, trump has said multiple times along with elon that they won't touch ss but congressional republicans are still going after it. i hope they fail in that regard. i hope the tariffs fail too because i don't support them.

otoh i wish them the best on ukraine and illegal immigration and weeding out the trans population.

so yeah - it's not about the administration. it's about the particular issues.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Actively rooting for US leadership is the equivalent of cheering for the captain of Titanic after it hit the iceberg.

Doesn't really matter who the captain is... the ship is sinking... do you try to be optimistic regardless in that situation?

At what point do you throw optimism out of the window and acknowledge the ship is going down?

Optimism is often a form of denial or ignorance.



https://c.tenor.com/ovKzblaTaAUAAAAd/tenor.gif

[Doomsday Dallas]

"To get respect you have to give respect"

This is leadership 101 BASICS bruh.

You want it to be everyone else's fault. It's on HIM. If he wants everyone to respect him, he has to first respect others.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/77/69/4b/77694bb706ccd1d67d753c96a2f41097.jpg




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIkbCgQ_PXU

[Doomsday Dallas]

"To get respect you have to give respect"

This is leadership 101 BASICS bruh.

You want it to be everyone else's fault. It's on HIM. If he wants everyone to respect him, he has to first respect others.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/77/69/4b/77694bb706ccd1d67d753c96a2f41097.jpg



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro3df5N6-zY

[Doomsday Dallas]

"To get respect you have to give respect"

This is leadership 101 BASICS bruh.

You want it to be everyone else's fault. It's on HIM. If he wants everyone to respect him, he has to first respect others.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/77/69/4b/77694bb706ccd1d67d753c96a2f41097.jpg



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4fyDacPfJE

[Doomsday Dallas]

"To get respect you have to give respect"

This is leadership 101 BASICS bruh.

You want it to be everyone else's fault. It's on HIM. If he wants everyone to respect him, he has to first respect others.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/77/69/4b/77694bb706ccd1d67d753c96a2f41097.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSLS3N2uKso

[highwhey]

This is rich coming from the side that actually tried to storm the capital and coup the government. But yeah, this is a recent trend of the LEFT since Trump took office :roll:

:oldlol:

[StickyWice]

:oldlol:


Anotha Friday night spent hyah huh?

[Norcaliblunt]

Our society and our economic systems are set up to make you root against other people.

If you own, you want the market value to go up.

If you don’t own, you want the market value to go down.

Everybody is rooting for something and it ain’t all the same thing.

[imdaman99]

I will root against zionists 100% of the time.

[GimmeThat]

they have lawyers suing doctors regarding their pledge to the hippocratic oath