Does Shai earn all his free throw attempts?

[Street Hunger]

"Gilgeous-Alexander's 606 free-throw attempts this season lead the league. Only Giannis Antetokounmpo (600) is within 99 free throws of Gilgeous-Alexander. James Harden (507) is third." - Yahoo

[rawimpact]

I don't know, but even at 606 this season... does not touch Wilt's 1300 attempts (he avg. 17 FTA/game)

[Wally450]

No. Both Celtics games I watched, he flailed his way to the FT line.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Not a lot of guys that average over 30 without a lot of free throws. I am sure that a lot of his free throws are the result of flopping even the most forthright player will exaggerate contact. Alexander is a bigger flopper than most but Harden is/was more ridiculous even though he's not getting more free throws this season. I remember plays where Harden would be committing an offensive foul that he fooled the ref into calling in his favor. He was/is disgusting.

[tpols]

He plays dishonestly for sure. I remember SGA first started coming up when Chris Paul was on the Thunder so he probably taught him a few tricks of the trade. His athleticism is very smooth so he'll get a guy on his hip and then jump / flail into him. You basically can't get close once he's inside the arc or he's gonna flop and get the whistle.

Most stars play dishonestly though with the flopping and flailing and free throw baiting. The only ones who don't are far in between types like maybe Jokic and Kawhi and Curry etc.

[GOBB]

He plays dishonestly for sure. I remember SGA first started coming up when Chris Paul was on the Thunder so he probably taught him a few tricks of the trade. His athleticism is very smooth so he'll get a guy on his hip and then jump / flail into him. You basically can't get close once he's inside the arc or he's gonna flop and get the whistle.

Most stars play dishonestly though with the flopping and flailing and free throw baiting. The only ones who don't are far in between types like maybe Jokic and Kawhi and Curry etc.

Curry doesn’t flop? So he really does get fouled when he shoots a 3 and fall to the ground arms spread out. Who knew.

Jokic doesn’t flop? He’s euro it’s in their dna.

[tpols]

Curry doesn’t flop? So he really does get fouled when he shoots a 3 and fall to the ground arms spread out. Who knew.

Jokic doesn’t flop? He’s euro it’s in their dna.


Curry has one of the lowest free throw rates amongst MVPs ever. Just straight facts. One of the only 30+ppg scorers to only take 5 FTAs a game. Might be the only one ever.

Jokic just isn't a flopper either. Guy plays straight up as much as anybody ever. Not constantly hitting the deck and flailing like your boy Embiid whose basically a 7 foot version of James Harden. It's quite a dichotomy to witness the two different play styles.

[ArbitraryWater]

Shai and Brunson are notorious cheaters/flailers

[Neal Romer]

Curry has one of the lowest free throw rates amongst MVPs ever. Just straight facts. One of the only 30+ppg scorers to only take 5 FTAs a game. Might be the only one ever.

Jokic just isn't a flopper either. Guy plays straight up as much as anybody ever. Not constantly hitting the deck and flailing like your boy Embiid whose basically a 7 foot version of James Harden. It's quite a dichotomy to witness the two different play styles.

Those guys may not flop to the ground under the basket, it doesnt mean they dont exaggerate contact regularly. Naturally you wont get the calls as often if you dont go to the rim and dive to the ground, it doesnt mean you arent flopping in the practical sense. Jokic will feel contact and snap his head back dramatically in a way clearly not caused by the contact. And Curry, as Gobb mentioned, will flail his limbs if a defender is in the area and look for a reason to fall down after release.

Again, flopping to the ground is being pedantic and literal. It's still considered flopping as long as youre being overly theatrical about contact.

[GOBB]

Curry has one of the lowest free throw rates amongst MVPs ever. Just straight facts. One of the only 30+ppg scorers to only take 5 FTAs a game. Might be the only one ever.

Jokic just isn't a flopper either. Guy plays straight up as much as anybody ever. Not constantly hitting the deck and flailing like your boy Embiid whose basically a 7 foot version of James Harden. It's quite a dichotomy to witness the two different play styles.

There’s video footage of these two flopping. What are you talking about? You sound ridiculous. Again why does curry after shooting a contested 3 fall to the ground arms and legs extended? Signature move huh? Your “facts” about free throw attempts is irrelevant. Curry flops shooting 3’s. Jokic flops trying to draw charges. Stop correlating free throw attempts as the end all be all with flopping.


You’ll be hard pressed to find anyone who doesn’t flop. You want to argue frequency then find someone else to do that with.

[GOBB]

Those guys may not flop to the ground under the basket, it doesnt mean they dont exaggerate contact regularly. Naturally you wont get the calls as often if you dont go to the rim and dive to the ground, it doesnt mean you arent flopping in the practical sense. Jokic will feel contact and snap his head back dramatically in a way clearly not caused by the contact. And Curry, as Gobb mentioned, will flail his limbs if a defender is in the area and look for a reason to fall down after release.

Again, flopping to the ground is being pedantic and literal. It's still considered flopping as long as youre being overly theatrical about contact.

Exactly!

[ArbitraryWater]

Those guys may not flop to the ground under the basket, it doesnt mean they dont exaggerate contact regularly. Naturally you wont get the calls as often if you dont go to the rim and dive to the ground, it doesnt mean you arent flopping in the practical sense. Jokic will feel contact and snap his head back dramatically in a way clearly not caused by the contact. And Curry, as Gobb mentioned, will flail his limbs if a defender is in the area and look for a reason to fall down after release.

Again, flopping to the ground is being pedantic and literal. It's still considered flopping as long as youre being overly theatrical about contact.


Shai and Brunson def live off flopping more though, in their FT volume.

Its a different level.

[marLeY baLL]

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[Neal Romer]

Shai and Brunson def live off flopping more though, in their FT volume.

Its a different level.

Thats fine, Im not saying everyone employs it to equal effect. Just that flopping for some kind of advantage is pretty much standard among every top player now, except maybe like Kawhi who's too muted to produce big reactions to contact.

And Lebron of course.

[tpols]

Those guys may not flop to the ground under the basket, it doesnt mean they dont exaggerate contact regularly. Naturally you wont get the calls as often if you dont go to the rim and dive to the ground, it doesnt mean you arent flopping in the practical sense. Jokic will feel contact and snap his head back dramatically in a way clearly not caused by the contact. And Curry, as Gobb mentioned, will flail his limbs if a defender is in the area and look for a reason to fall down after release.

Again, flopping to the ground is being pedantic and literal. It's still considered flopping as long as youre being overly theatrical about contact.

I think the issue is you guys blew up on a couple memes where Curry flopped. It's not a staple of his game though.

You can't shoot 4 free throws per game and be a flop artist for free throws. SGA and Harden have peaked at 11-12 FTAs per game.

There's levels to this shit.

[Neal Romer]

I think the issue is you guys blew up on a couple memes where Curry flopped. It's not a staple of his game though.

You can't shoot 4 free throws per game and be a flop artist for free throws. SGA and Harden have peaked at 11-12 FTAs per game.

There's levels to this shit.

No doubt, I wasnt suggesting every player gets an identical share of their points thru flopping. I was just pointing out that no player currently is "above" flopping in a situation where they feel it will help, except for Lebron. Obviously some guys lean more heavily on flopping for their production than others, but theres nobody who has simply eschewed the concept of flopping for an advantage besides Lebron.

[tpols]

There’s video footage of these two flopping. What are you talking about? You sound ridiculous. Again why does curry after shooting a contested 3 fall to the ground arms and legs extended? Signature move huh? Your “facts” about free throw attempts is irrelevant. Curry flops shooting 3’s. Jokic flops trying to draw charges. Stop correlating free throw attempts as the end all be all with flopping.


You’ll be hard pressed to find anyone who doesn’t flop. You want to argue frequency then find someone else to do that with.

This is what I said before. You guys took some memes and tried to act like it was the norm. But it wasn't.

You don't shoot 4-5 free throws per game being a con artist as a staple of your offensive game.

Embiid and Harden have hit 12 FTAs per game. :lol

That's triple bro. Because they flop more and they flop better. Currya flop game is like a C+. Your boys are in the A tier.

This is why we said there's levels to it. If a guy is getting double or triple the FTs baiting calls that is a huge difference.

It's the disparity between honesty and deceipt.

[ShawkFactory]

This is what I said before. You guys took some memes and tried to act like it was the norm. But it wasn't.

You don't shoot 4-5 free throws per game being a con artist as a staple of your offensive game.

Embiid and Harden have hit 12 FTAs per game. :lol

That's triple bro. Because they flop more and they flop better. Currya flop game is like a C+. Your boys are in the A tier.

This is why we said there's levels to it. If a guy is getting double or triple the FTs baiting calls that is a huge difference.

It's the disparity between honesty and deceipt.

That's assuming that the disparity is solely related to baiting calls. Harden and Embiid no doubt are terrible about it. SGA does it too but it's not nearly as bad. No one takes the ball to the hole more than he does, so it makes sense that he'll have more FTA than primarily a jump shooter like Curry.

[GOBB]

This is what I said before. You guys took some memes and tried to act like it was the norm. But it wasn't.

You don't shoot 4-5 free throws per game being a con artist as a staple of your offensive game.

Embiid and Harden have hit 12 FTAs per game. :lol

That's triple bro. Because they flop more and they flop better. Currya flop game is like a C+. Your boys are in the A tier.

This is why we said there's levels to it. If a guy is getting double or triple the FTs baiting calls that is a huge difference.

It's the disparity between honesty and deceipt.

Flopping is flopping. You want to say Embiid flips way more than Curry? I’ll agree. It doesn’t make Curry flopping any less than what it is. Which is him trying to sell a bogus foul call for a 4pt play. The thing is refs will call more fouls attacking the basket vs shooting a jumper. It’s common sense to why. I’ve seen Jokic flop to draw a charge call. I don’t see where the honesty is here. The nba implemented a flopping rule where they review them and fine players. At least that’s what they are supposed to do. The rule isn’t in place for the known floppers like Embiid, Harden etc. It’s in place because everyone does it.

[Real Men Wear Green]

A little off-topic: The fine for flopping is $2,000. That isn't going to stop a multimillionaire.

[fourkicks44]

Curry has one of the lowest free throw rates amongst MVPs ever. Just straight facts. One of the only 30+ppg scorers to only take 5 FTAs a game. Might be the only one ever.

Jokic just isn't a flopper either. Guy plays straight up as much as anybody ever. Not constantly hitting the deck and flailing like your boy Embiid whose basically a 7 foot version of James Harden. It's quite a dichotomy to witness the two different play styles.


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[RRR3]

This is what I said before. You guys took some memes and tried to act like it was the norm. But it wasn't.

You don't shoot 4-5 free throws per game being a con artist as a staple of your offensive game.

Embiid and Harden have hit 12 FTAs per game. :lol

That's triple bro. Because they flop more and they flop better. Currya flop game is like a C+. Your boys are in the A tier.

This is why we said there's levels to it. If a guy is getting double or triple the FTs baiting calls that is a huge difference.

It's the disparity between honesty and deceipt.
Explain why LeBron averages so few FTs (4.7 per game, hasn't been over 6.0 since 2019) then since you always whine about him flopping

[ImKobe]

He's just great at it. Some players try too hard to flop for calls (Harden & Embiid) but he does it pretty effortlessly. Steph's a volume 3PT chucker so he's not going to draw as many fouls, but he definitely flops when he can as well.

[90sgoat]

It's difficult to respect players who make flopping a core part of their game and Shai definitely does that.

[Duffy Pratt]

I don't know, but even at 606 this season... does not touch Wilt's 1300 attempts (he avg. 17 FTA/game)

The NBA had 3 to make 2 rule for free throws then, so as bad as he was at free throws, he probably took 3 shots instead of 2 about 350-400 times. Still leaves him with about 900 trips to the line.

[imdaman99]

Shai and Brunson def live off flopping more though, in their FT volume.

Its a different level.

This, i would add Luka. He will bitch and moan about getting fouled and then we see the replay and it'll be excellent defense :oldlol:

[GimmeThat]

it's the National Basketball Association, so of course he earns them. just don't try to prop up any agenda that athletes live a longer and healthier life when clearly that isn't the main purpose of it all.

[moongaze]

The shai free throw talk is racial. Once again you've got a black player going up against white guy jokic so media and fans have to try and discredit the black player funny how sga and embiid get called foul merchants but that label never gets applied to white boy Luka who averages a high number of free throws. Luka is averaging more free throw attempts.with Lakers than sga. He's had a season where he almost averages 11 fta a game yet no one has ever tried to discredit him by labeling him as a free throw merchant. Part of the reason the NBA is dying is cause of this weird obsession with discrediting black players when they are compared to a white star.

[tpols]

The shai free throw talk is racial. Once again you've got a black player going up against white guy jokic so media and fans have to try and discredit the black player funny how sga and embiid get called foul merchants but that label never gets applied to white boy Luka who averages a high number of free throws. Luka is averaging more free throw attempts.with Lakers than sga. He's had a season where he almost averages 11 fta a game yet no one has ever tried to discredit him by labeling him as a free throw merchant. Part of the reason the NBA is dying is cause of this weird obsession with discrediting black players when they are compared to a white star.

Pretty much everybody acknowledges Luka is a major foul baiter and flopper. Even fans of his. It's not a race thing. You either flop a lot or you don't. Some white guys do, some black guys as well. Jokic plays straight up and so does... Kawhi. Black and white players. You don't always have to wear your victim cap.

[GimmeThat]

Part of the reason the NBA is dying is cause of this weird obsession with discrediting black players when they are compared to a white star.

a lot of black players who are considered to be athletics or has size has consistently struggled with injury issues, so it's not as if they've got it down to a science.

[moongaze]

Pretty much everybody acknowledges Luka is a major foul baiter and flopper. Even fans of his. It's not a race thing. You either flop a lot or you don't. Some white guys do, some black guys as well. Jokic plays straight up and so does... Kawhi. Black and white players. You don't always have to wear your victim cap.

It's funny you say this when the people that discredit sga the most and label him as a free throw merchant are Luka fans. They do not think the same about Luka and in last year playoff series were all over reddit threads complaining about how Luka doesnt get the calls sga does. Gtfoh lol Lukas fans have never called him a free throw merchant. NBA fans in general have never called Luka a free throw merchant nor have they bashed his game as a free throw baiting gimmick.

Edit: what they do acknowledge is that Luka cries a lot about calls but thats not the same as saying that his game revolves around trying to get free throws being all about free throws.
Funny how when someone brings up racism against people of color they're accused of playing victim yet Luka and jokics fans play racial victim all day and no one says they're playing victim.

[999Guy]

It’s really interesting how Shai’s flops have ramped up with in the past year where he’s at his highest level on both ends. He absolutely doesn’t have to flop, ever. And he’d be 95% as good.
I don’t ever remember him doing this pre-2024.

[moongaze]

a lot of black players who are considered to be athletics or has size has consistently struggled with injury issues, so it's not as if they've got it down to a science.

The media and society in general will ride with a white person when it's white vs black athlete/entertainer.Caitlyn Clark,Eminem..etc Lettuce be real theres a huge racial dynamic at play when you have Clark vs Reese, Eminem compared to black rappers, Luka vs Sga, Jokic vs Embiid, Wilder vs Fury. There are those that take pride in Jokic being a white guy dominating a majority black league. You can't tell me that there aren't because I see the posts everyday lol. So.of.course those same racial fans are going to go overboard when white stars are compared to a black athlete. They go out of their way to bash and smear the black athlete/entertainer in a way to uplift the white. Just my take I'm sure others will disagree because most white people only seem to see racism when it's supposedly occuring to whites. Then you all are on board when a Eminem , Luka, Jokic, Clark. Etc fans make claims of racism.

Jokic is the white hope and any black player that gets compared to him will get ripped apart by the white mob and the media.

[tpols]

If anything, it's honestly the opposite in reality. Nobody mainstream cares about Jokic. He's the new Tim Duncan in that sense. Boring. They gave Embiid MVP over Jokic in 2023 so if anything the media favored Joel, who has more personality. And then he proceeded to shot the bed in the playoffs and lose to Boston while Jokic led the Champion team with dominant production and performance.

You just hold a very skewed victim mentality with regards to your skin color. Nowadays in most people's minds we don't even think about it much especially as it relates to basketball. Larry Bird happened like 50 years ago... the great white hope bridge was open a long time ago. But now there's so many great white player's it's not really really thing we focus on anymore. My favorite player of all time is black ~ Kobe.

[GimmeThat]

They go out of their way to bash and smear the black athlete/entertainer in a way to uplift the white. Just my take I'm sure others will disagree because most white people only seem to see racism when it's supposedly occuring to whites. Then you all are on board when a Eminem , Luka, Jokic, Clark. Etc fans make claims of racism.

Jokic is the white hope and any black player that gets compared to him will get ripped apart by the white mob and the media.

to me, it's bones. say white people eat more potatoes, and blacks eat more rice and beans, this also puts them closer to mexicans and asian (I'm of asian descent). in many cases, proper rice and beans are far more nutritious than potatoes, but since it's a whole nation filled by it, they deal with the ignorant backlash.

same thing with soy, soy protein has consistently been quality enough to be a part of a diverse diet when it comes to muscle building, yet its consistently faced with backlash of for the lack of better term, racism, for it is what it is, homophobic reasons.

so the disagreement is that in the long run, it doesn't really matter, since the racists(who for the most parts, are in fact, blind) will be starved to death by then. but I understand how in the short sightedness of it all, seems extremely annoying.

because you take away others ancestry, you take away their humanity, but still, the underlying problem is that they're made of inheritance (private AND government stimulus) and will continue to fail to stand on their own.

[FKAri]

It's funny you say this when the people that discredit sga the most and label him as a free throw merchant are Luka fans. They do not think the same about Luka and in last year playoff series were all over reddit threads complaining about how Luka doesnt get the calls sga does. Gtfoh lol Lukas fans have never called him a free throw merchant. NBA fans in general have never called Luka a free throw merchant nor have they bashed his game as a free throw baiting gimmick.

Edit: what they do acknowledge is that Luka cries a lot about calls but thats not the same as saying that his game revolves around trying to get free throws being all about free throws.
Funny how when someone brings up racism against people of color they're accused of playing victim yet Luka and jokics fans play racial victim all day and no one says they're playing victim.

lmao. SGA this season is a bigger flopper than Luka, Jimmy Butler, Embiid AND Brunson.

Also, these guys above are baiters moreso than floppers. In terms of pure flopping SGA's the MVP.