Trump announces 25% tariff on all imported cars and car parts

[Off the Court]

Are even the Trump cult members that post here a fan of this? Did anyone here vote for this?

Better go grab that dream BMW like today.

What a f@#kin horrendous economic disaster this guy is. Bankrupt us like he does all his businesses. I'm sure he and Elon will make out good though.

[RRR3]

Hey D'oh desperately trying to figure out a way to spin this. Better wait for Fox News as his senile old brain can't quiet come up with original ideas :ohwell:

[highwhey]

none of the trump supporters in this forum have the means to purchase/own/maintain a vehicle. they live in their parent's basement and ride the bus. so i expect them to be indifferent to it.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Are even the Trump cult members that post here a fan of this? Did anyone here vote for this?

MAGA & America voted to end wokeness... a sacrifice that had to made in order to save our children's souls.

We may end up in WWIII or a Great Depression.... but America is going to know the differences between a Man & a Woman.


https://img.ifunny.co/images/a06f1a81fe7e7d97c2e5041af6d6ab8385b89e6bfa93253ab9 a7c3b71f01a697_1.jpg

[diamenz]

I'm sure he and Elon will make out good though.

the tariffs and doge "cuts" - particularly in regard to social security, that the republicans will ultimately attempt to privatize by slowly and subtly busting up the system until it's *ucked up enough to call 'broken', are all a ruse to get the trillions of $ in tax cuts through to their billionaire buddies before the midterms. democrats on the hill don't mind this at all either btw - behind closed doors they're all for it. it's all aboard the uniparty gravy train. either way, per usual, the rich get richer and... well this time, it's your mothers and grandmothers that will end up suffering.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRBsxVsZFaY

[MMM]

This will make Cars too expensive for the middle class if their is no carveout for the North American market because the auto sector is heavily integrated .

Housing is already seen as hopeless for a lot of people and now more people wont be able to own a car and probably have to depend on unreliable public transportation

[Off the Court]

There is no economist on board with this. Everyone loses.

Higher Prices = Less Sales
Less Sales = Mass Layoffs
Layoffs + High Prices = Economic Downturn (EVERY BUISNESS SUFFERS)



What's funny is due to the slow sales and slow economic movement, the Gov sees less tax revenue.

It's a LOSE/LOSE/LOSE situation

[Doomsday Dallas]

There is no economist on board with this. Everyone loses.

Higher Prices = Less Sales
Less Sales = Mass Layoffs
Layoffs + High Prices = Economic Downturn (EVERY BUISNESS SUFFERS)



What's funny is due to the slow sales and slow economic movement, the Gov sees less tax revenue.

It's a LOSE/LOSE/LOSE situation


I believe it's more calculated than that... it's the right course of action, but it takes too long to implement before you start seeing the benefits, and you upset other countries.


US President Donald Trump has threatened a 200% tariff on any alcohol coming to the US from the European Union (EU) in the latest twist of an escalating trade war.

Nobody will be purchasing EU alcohol products and more money will be spent on American alcohol products... The profits go to America, and yes, they do trickle down.

Trickle Down economics does work because it creates more jobs... jobs that aren't government, and paid for with tax dollars.



Is this the the right time to be starting trade wars? No.... Trump does take an L here... but just like wokeness, it has good intentions for Americans.

[warriorfan]

Op extra hysterical today.

Dude must have took it up the ass extra hard last night with no call back

[StickyWice]

Very good very good we see Mexico stock tomorrow

More beaners homeless the better than American vets

[Lakers Legend#32]

MAGA & America voted to end wokeness... a sacrifice that had to made in order to save our children's souls.

We may end up in WWIII or a Great Depression.... but America is going to know the differences between a Man & a Woman.


https://img.ifunny.co/images/a06f1a81fe7e7d97c2e5041af6d6ab8385b89e6bfa93253ab9 a7c3b71f01a697_1.jpg

Which has nothing to do with Trump's idiotic tariffs screwing over his voters.

[Phoenix]

Tariffs require a degree of finesse in terms of how they're applied, not the bull in a china shop approach. Industries need years to prepare, not weeks. From the outside, it seems like there's a giant wall of US industries having darts being thrown at it, wherever they land gets new tariffs...and starting next Monday!! Whatever the underlying goals or logic is, at least what is being sold to everyone, that's.......not how to go about it. At all. Just seems like a fundamental misread of what tariffs are, when, where and how they should be applied. As to the consumer, unless there's a serious reeling in, I have a prediction:
https://i.imgflip.com/619am0.gif

The VAST majority of people are unprepared for any of this. Trump is, so is his right hand stooge. So they'll still enjoy their caviar and lobster, while you're googling weekly meals with Ramen noodles.

[rawimpact]

Fantastic news

[Hey Yo]

Buy American made... you'll feel better.

[Bill Gates]

Buy American made... you'll feel better.

:facepalm

That isn't the remedy. Toyota and everyone else makes their cars right here in the US just like FORD does. But they all import their car parts, including FORD. They will all go up 25% for the buyer.

It is an effort to get the manufacturing of those parts made here in the US, but by the time those plants are up and running on all cylinders, the next POTUS will undo the tariffs because free trade creates a much faster economy.

[Norcaliblunt]

Whatever happened to the free market that Republicans and conservatives used to claim to love?

They are obsessed with borders and restricting the market.

[highwhey]

:facepalm

That isn't the remedy. Toyota and everyone else makes their cars right here in the US just like FORD does. But they all import their car parts, including FORD. They will all go up 25% for the buyer.

It is an effort to get the manufacturing of those parts made here in the US, but by the time those plants are up and running on all cylinders, the next POTUS will undo the tariffs because free trade creates a much faster economy.

i don't think any trump supporter has gone outside of their parents basement in a while. they do not understand that you can't just start manufacturing rolled steel overnight. they probably don't even know it would take longer than 4 years to make new steel mills.

[j3lademaster]

What a dumb, evil and regressive tariff. If I’m an American make car manufacturer I’m raising prices 15% and still undercutting my competition, then raising it to possibly 20% to see what that does to sales and what I can get away with, then try 22 next quarter, 23% etc. the US has absolute dog shit public transportation which makes vehicles incredibly inelastic goods here. Anyone trying to justify this tariff is absolutely insane, stupid or both.

[Phoenix]

What a dumb, evil and regressive tariff. If I’m an American make car manufacturer I’m raising prices 15% and still undercutting my competition, then raising it to possibly 20% to see what that does to sales and what I can get away with, then try 22 next quarter, 23% etc. the US has absolute dog shit public transportation which makes vehicles incredibly inelastic goods here. Anyone trying to justify this tariff is absolutely insane, stupid or both.

Yeah, there's nothing to say America companies won't take the opportunity to take it as close to the line as possible. Give an inch, take a mile type of thing. You can also do the same for other consumer goods. Increased prices on American made alcohol, for example. These companies will always push whatever they can get away with. None of this leads to consumers paying less, but I suspect we have finally reached the end of the 20th century economic model. 20 years of 9/11, the 2008 crash and covid with the fatality finish. Flawless victory. The bough is breaking, and 99% aren't ready for it.

[Bill Gates]

Yeah, there's nothing to say America companies won't take the opportunity to take it as close to the line as possible. Give an inch, take a mile type of thing. You can also do the same for other consumer goods. Increased prices on American made alcohol, for example. These companies will always push whatever they can get away with. None of this leads to consumers paying less, but I suspect we have finally reached the end of the 20th century economic model. 20 years of 9/11, the 2008 crash and covid with the fatality finish. Flawless victory. The bough is breaking, and 99% aren't ready for it.

And once companies do their mark ups, they can not reverse them. Which is why Biden didn't roll back the China tariffs. US companies had already marked up, and they aren't going to mark them back down. So reversing the tariffs would have done nothing but lose that tariff income.

[Phoenix]

And once companies do their mark ups, they can not reverse them. Which is why Biden didn't roll back the China tariffs. US companies had already marked up, and they aren't going to mark them back down. So reversing the tariffs would have done nothing but lose that tariff income.

Nor will companies be returning manufacturing to the U.S in any major way. Those are moves that fundamentally shift the way your company does business and how an industry operates. They're not making paradigm-shifting operational moves on a whim. Imagine the next US president rolls back on this shit. What's the companies gonna do then, move their manufacturing back off-shore? :oldlol: Businesses don't operate on uncertainty and harem-ska rem policies, they need stable environments to forecast their multi-year moves. Which is the complete opposite of the current economic environment. Trump hasn't gone a week with announcing a tariff without rolling it back a few days later. Nobody wants to do anything, from company to consumer, because nobody can plan for what the fukk is or isn't happening. I'm not American so the whole left and right, red and blue shit is lost on me, I'm just side-eyeing all this from a distance hoping to not catch a stray like every other country right now.

[warriorfan]

What a dumb, evil and regressive tariff. If I’m an American make car manufacturer I’m raising prices 15% and still undercutting my competition, then raising it to possibly 20% to see what that does to sales and what I can get away with, then try 22 next quarter, 23% etc. the US has absolute dog shit public transportation which makes vehicles incredibly inelastic goods here. Anyone trying to justify this tariff is absolutely insane, stupid or both.

Go back to China.

[eliteballer]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/much-more-expensive-trumps-auto-211007346.html

[Chick Stern]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj6N-WBPrVw

[86Celtics]

Buy American made... you'll feel better.

https://theanfieldnoise.com/uploads/default/original/3X/a/f/af2a2b12d988f4bbbf9daf0fc34ebb81ddba570b.jpeg

[Off the Court]

Yeah, this topic really lets you know which ones the cult members are and which ones are capable of speaking for themselves.

[Off the Court]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj6N-WBPrVw

Someone needs to forward this along to Trump.

Problem is, Trump's ego is too big for him to admit it was a bad idea and reverse it. He will insist he knows best, and that we all need to suffer first. Maybe if his cult starts shrinking he will wake up, but they have the exact same ego problem.

[GimmeThat]

guy brings in doughnuts to office, everyone's happy. guy shows you the facts about doughnuts, people showing that loose vag they've been carrying around, since they even need to spray some alcohol on their wang to get it slightly more than limp

[Norcaliblunt]

This is why racing to the bottom for prices on goods as a consumer is not a good thing.

If consumers actually voted with their dollars and really supported the shit they pretend to then we wouldn’t have this kind of government f uc kery.

People just can’t seem to support what’s right on their own. People waste their time and energy voting, indulging in politics, yada yada yada, but can’t seem to stop buying shit from major corporations and made in china. Pretty crazy.

Eggs are the best example. People want cheap disgusting eggs instead of just paying a tad bit more and supporting a local farmer.

[GimmeThat]

This is why racing to the bottom for prices on goods as a consumer is not a good thing.

If consumers actually voted with their dollars and really supported the shit they pretend to then we wouldn’t have this kind of government f uc kery.


it's more a race to availability than affordability. or you can say if people really wanted to try living oversea, there's no stigma about it.

[eliteballer]

This will blow a giant hole in the US economy and make cars unaffordable.

[Lakers Legend#32]

And dumbsh!t MAGAS thought eggs were too expensive.

[diamenz]

White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt on Tuesday clashed with a reporter with The Associated Press over President Trump’s use of tariffs after granting the outlet a rare question during a White House press briefing.

Leavitt faced a slew of questions about Trump’s widespread use of tariffs on imports, which have rattled financial markets and sparked fears of a recession. At one point, Leavitt called on an Associated Press reporter, who asked Leavitt why the president was proposing “tax hikes in the form of tariffs” as opposed to the tax cuts he promised on the campaign trail.

“He’s actually not implementing tax hikes. Tariffs are a tax hike on foreign countries that, again, have been ripping us off,” Leavitt said. “Tariffs are a tax cut for the American people, and the president is a staunch advocate for tax cuts.”

AP’s reporter in the room, Josh Boak, then responded: “I’m sorry, have you ever paid a tariff? Because I have. They don’t get charged on foreign companies, they get charged on importers.”

Leavitt dug in on arguing that tariffs would lead to increased wages and revenues for Americans, then shot back at Boak.

“I think it’s insulting that you’re trying to test my knowledge of economics, and the decision that this president has made,” Leavitt said. “I now regret giving a question to The Associated Press.”

:rolleyes:

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5188744-ap-reporter-white-house-tariffs/

[eliteballer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Hbz1E0_y6Q

[Overdrive]

:rolleyes:

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5188744-ap-reporter-white-house-tariffs/

Pretty telling.

[Phoenix]

He’s actually not implementing tax hikes. Tariffs are a tax hike on foreign countries that, again, have been ripping us off,” Leavitt said. “Tariffs are a tax cut for the American people, and the president is a staunch advocate for tax cuts.”



The fukk? It's like they're arguing that the tariffs are punishing the exporter, but its the importer that pays those tariffs and they will in turn pass it down to the consumer. What, they think the businesses are absorbing these tariffs and hurting their profits??

If a country like, oh I don't know, Canada exports maple syrup to the U.S and the U.S decides to put 25% tariff on all Canadian maple syrup, the business(es) will pay that upfront and then increase the shelf price of the syrup. Either 1) this makes the syrup too expensive so the US consumer in turn buys the home-produced brands, and if that happens enough the exporter will probably just stop exporting said product because its no longer viable. Or 2) the consumer sucks it up and pays the higher price so....they're spending more money. Replace syrup with cars, alcohol or anything else sourced elsewhere. How do people not understand that's going to lead to higher prices?

Forget what these politicians are saying, let all these tariffs play out and then see what the before and after prices are for the goods in question. There's your answer. :confusedshrug:

[Bill Gates]

Giving us things for dirt cheap = "ripping us off" ????? :lol

Anyway, Nasdaq and S&P hit new lows this morning. Buckle up, we are diving straight into the recession.

[Chick Stern]

Giving us things for dirt cheap = "ripping us off" ????? :lol

Anyway, Nasdaq and S&P hit new lows this morning. Buckle up, we are diving straight into the recession.

so much winning!

https://i.redd.it/a05f6vi7a2se1.jpeg

[Phoenix]

Trump went full scorched earth, no one is safe including MAGA.

Ya'll got duped H.A.R.D. Just waiting on the cheap eggs :applause:

[RRR3]

Trump went full scorched earth, no one is safe including MAGA.

Ya'll got duped H.A.R.D. Just waiting on the cheap eggs :applause:
They don't care, as long as minorities suffer, they're happy.

[Phoenix]

They don't care, as long as minorities suffer, they're happy.

Yep!

[Lakers Legend#32]

Trump went full scorched earth, no one is safe including MAGA.

Ya'll got duped H.A.R.D. Just waiting on the cheap eggs :applause:

Why doesn't sign an executive order lowering the price of eggs and gasoline.

Inquiring poorly educated MAGAS wanna know.

[Phoenix]

Why doesn't sign an executive order lowering the price of eggs and gasoline.

Inquiring poorly educated MAGAS wanna know.

:oldlol:

That's exactly the logic they'd use too. Just executive order everything into existence.

[Norcaliblunt]

What’s funny is how easy you can flip a person’s view on things by having someone they like or don’t like endorse a policy.

For years protectionism was more of a left thing. Use government to intervene in the market to help protect and promote American business. While the right was all about global free trade. Now it’s flipped because of one guy. Lol.

[TheMan]

What’s funny is how easy you can flip a person’s view on things by having someone they like or don’t like endorse a policy.

For years protectionism was more of a left thing. Use government to intervene in the market to help protect and promote American business. While the right was all about global free trade. Now it’s flipped because of one guy. Lol.

MAGA have no principles, if Trump tomorrow decides the 2nd amendment is dated and wants to get rid of it, watch all the MAGAtards go right along with it :lol

[RRR3]

MAGA have no principles, if Trump tomorrow decides the 2nd amendment is dated and wants to get rid of it, watch all the MAGAtards go right along with it :lol
I mean that is coming. Fascist states are not going to let the populace arm themselves if they can help it.

[warriorfan]

MAGA have no principles, if Trump tomorrow decides the 2nd amendment is dated and wants to get rid of it, watch all the MAGAtards go right along with it :lol

Beaner meltdown

[Phoenix]

Anyone drink imported beer?

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/02/trump-puts-tariffs-on-canned-beer-imports.html?taid=67ed8340897a3b00016a8fc8&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_content=main&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

"The Trump administration will implement a 25% tariff of all imported canned beer and empty aluminum cans starting Friday, according to a notice from the Department of Commerce".

[TheMan]

Beaner meltdown

Redneck methhead seething

[TheMan]

I mean that is coming. Fascist states are not going to let the populace arm themselves if they can help it.

Yep, that's why I wrote that, they're already talking about a third Trump term, wholly unconstitutional but when has that ever stopped Trump? He's not looking for reelection, he'll be more unpopular by the end of this term than his previous term, he's looking to stay in power through a coup. This is what a declining empire looks like.

[rawimpact]

Wooh it's happening. Finally!

No more cheap foreign goods. Start making everything in America with American standards.

[Axe]

I remember when people felt sympathy for him after he got shot during one of his campaigns last year. Now that he's able to sit again, he's proving to be a worse nuisance than how he used to be for the first time. :roll:

Looks like his admin is doing all this shit to prepare themselves in participation of a possible taiwanese invasion by china in 2027. So much for him trying to steer clear from war. :confusedshrug:


Redneck methhead seething
:oldlol:

[Overdrive]

Wooh it's happening. Finally!

No more cheap foreign goods. Start making everything in America with American standards.

American vs EU standards? :lol

[warriorfan]

Redneck methhead seething

You project so hard :lol

[n00bie]

Wooh it's happening. Finally!

No more cheap foreign goods. Start making everything in America with American standards.

A lot of goods.. especially food that is available for consumption in the U.S. are not considered safe in other countries....

[TheMan]

You project so hard :lol

No, I call out Trump for his stupidity, because any economist worth a damn says this is stupid yet you get triggered everytime someone says anything negative about Daddy Trump. Stop fluffing him bro.

[warriorfan]

No, I call out Trump for his stupidity, because any economist worth a damn says this is stupid yet you get triggered everytime someone says anything negative about Daddy Trump. Stop fluffing him bro.

Just so you know obsessing about Donald Trump and Elon Musk won’t make you any less of a dirty beaner.

Go make some tacos or burritos or something.

[TheMan]

Just so you know obsessing about Donald Trump and Elon Musk won’t make you any less of a dirty beaner.

Go make some tacos or burritos or something.

Defending Trump won't make you any less the degenerate redneck meth addict either.

Go bang your sister you toothless hillbilly

[RRR3]

Defending Trump won't make you any less the degenerate redneck meth addict either.

Go bang your sister you toothless hillbilly
:roll:

[warriorfan]

Defending Trump won't make you any less the degenerate redneck meth addict either.

Go bang your sister you toothless hillbilly

I don’t even defend Trump. I just laugh at bean breath guys like you paying him free rent and whining 24/7.

It’s pathetic lol

[RRR3]

I don’t even defend Trump. I just laugh at bean breath guys like you paying him free rent and whining 24/7.

It’s pathetic lol
Who are you trying to kid here slugger?

[warriorfan]

Who are you trying to kid here slugger?

Tbh you have a good reason to pay elon musk free rent because he got you fired from your library job.

You have the pass.

[j3lademaster]

Wooh it's happening. Finally!

No more cheap foreign goods. Start making everything in America with American standards.

https://foodbabe.com/app/uploads/2023/07/froot-loops-us-vs-ingredients-copy-768x768.jpg

https://foodbabe.com/app/uploads/2023/07/france-heinz-ketchup-768x768.jpg

https://foodbabe.com/app/uploads/2023/07/us-uk-pop-tarts-768x768.jpg


The Trump administration could bring significant deregulation to the food and beverage industry, potentially lowering costs and fostering growth but also introducing compliance challenges and risks, according to an industry expert.

https://www.supplysidefbj.com/food-beverage-regulations/deregulation-in-2025-what-food-beverage-companies-need-to-know

And we plan on further deregulating our food safety regulations. Do you think the quality is going to go up or down? Do you even know what you are "wooh"-ing for these days?

[RRR3]

https://foodbabe.com/app/uploads/2023/07/froot-loops-us-vs-ingredients-copy-768x768.jpg

https://foodbabe.com/app/uploads/2023/07/france-heinz-ketchup-768x768.jpg

https://foodbabe.com/app/uploads/2023/07/us-uk-pop-tarts-768x768.jpg



https://www.supplysidefbj.com/food-beverage-regulations/deregulation-in-2025-what-food-beverage-companies-need-to-know

And we plan on further deregulating our food safety regulations. Do you think the quality is going to go up or down? Do you even know what you are "wooh"-ing for these days?
No he doesn't, haven't you realized these people are the dumbest humans alive yet?

[warriorfan]

https://foodbabe.com/app/uploads/2023/07/froot-loops-us-vs-ingredients-copy-768x768.jpg

https://foodbabe.com/app/uploads/2023/07/france-heinz-ketchup-768x768.jpg

https://foodbabe.com/app/uploads/2023/07/us-uk-pop-tarts-768x768.jpg



https://www.supplysidefbj.com/food-beverage-regulations/deregulation-in-2025-what-food-beverage-companies-need-to-know

And we plan on further deregulating our food safety regulations. Do you think the quality is going to go up or down? Do you even know what you are "wooh"-ing for these days?

Do the same for china lmao

Go back btw


No he doesn't, haven't you realized these people are the dumbest humans alive yet?

You got fired from a job at the library. You live with your mom. You are a disgruntled beggar. You lack both equally drive, spine, and any sort of intelligence. The fact you try to throw stones in a glass house is legit hilarious.

Existence is pain :roll:

[RRR3]

Please stop exposing my Trumpy boy :cry:
:roll:

[warriorfan]

:roll:

Schizophrenic homeless beggars have more going for them in terms of talent and gumption than you.

Let that sink in for a moment :lol

[Proctor]

Schizophrenic homeless beggars have more going for them in terms of talent and gumption than you.

Let that sink in for a moment :lol
They're probably also on less drugs than you methy. When you come off your high we'll still be over here laughing at you.

Make some cool threads about toes at 3am tonight for us buddy. You're so normal and cool.

[TheMan]

Schizophrenic homeless beggars have more going for them in terms of talent and gumption than you.

Let that sink in for a moment :lol

Says the guy who makes shit threads with alts and responds to them with his main...what a life!

[RRR3]

They're probably also on less drugs than you methy. When you come off your high we'll still be over here laughing at you.

Make some cool threads about toes at 3am tonight for us buddy. You're so normal and cool.
:yaohappy:

[warriorfan]

They're probably also on less drugs than you methy. When you come off your high we'll still be over here laughing at you.

Make some cool threads about toes at 3am tonight for us buddy. You're so normal and cool.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3ABB-xymBc&time_continue=69&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com %2F


Cool story inspector f.aggot

Tell us more

[Axe]

Says the guy who makes shit threads with alts and responds to them with his main...what a life!
Lmao.

[86Celtics]

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:uz5apa2z3jrxhjjzqw5qik65/bafkreigvqrxplfpg2vly7tm5gpo3wuhouohlwjqarwmfafmgk 5nif2ohf4@jpeg

[Phoenix]

The level of discourse on this topic alone, I don't know how humans haven't blown ourselves the fukk up at this point ( and we've tried). We really don't have the collective intelligence to justify being the dominant species on this planet.

[Off the Court]

It is amazing that just one man can cause all of this global chaos.

[Phoenix]

It is amazing that just one man can cause all of this global chaos.

More specifically, it shows that America has too much influence on geopolitical outcomes and with such responsibility, it requires whoever is sitting in the White House, Dem or Republican, to not act like a bull in a China shop when it comes to trade policy.

Even if the tariffs made sense( they don't),you don't announce and implement them within weeks. Tariffs can shift industries and you need to allow companies time to prepare for them. Not to forget they should be used mostly to safeguard vulnerable local industries so they have a chance for fair competition against non-domestic products, not blanket them across everything without any sense of thought. The American alcohol and car industries aren't minor economic pillars requiring protectionist policies. :facepalm And none of this will lead to manufacturing returning to the U.S. That's going to majorly increase the labor and logistics on producing American vehicles, thereby increasing the price to the consumer( which I thought was supposed to one of the points of putting tariffs on imports, to encourage buying America). If you end up making it more expensive to do so, how does that help the average American?

[highwhey]

Yeah, there's nothing to say America companies won't take the opportunity to take it as close to the line as possible. Give an inch, take a mile type of thing. You can also do the same for other consumer goods. Increased prices on American made alcohol, for example. These companies will always push whatever they can get away with. None of this leads to consumers paying less, but I suspect we have finally reached the end of the 20th century economic model. 20 years of 9/11, the 2008 crash and covid with the fatality finish. Flawless victory. The bough is breaking, and 99% aren't ready for it.


They're probably also on less drugs than you methy. When you come off your high we'll still be over here laughing at you.

Make some cool threads about toes at 3am tonight for us buddy. You're so normal and cool.

:oldlol:

[highwhey]

Yeah, there's nothing to say America companies won't take the opportunity to take it as close to the line as possible. Give an inch, take a mile type of thing. You can also do the same for other consumer goods. Increased prices on American made alcohol, for example. These companies will always push whatever they can get away with. None of this leads to consumers paying less, but I suspect we have finally reached the end of the 20th century economic model. 20 years of 9/11, the 2008 crash and covid with the fatality finish. Flawless victory. The bough is breaking, and 99% aren't ready for it.


https://foodbabe.com/app/uploads/2023/07/froot-loops-us-vs-ingredients-copy-768x768.jpg

https://foodbabe.com/app/uploads/2023/07/france-heinz-ketchup-768x768.jpg

https://foodbabe.com/app/uploads/2023/07/us-uk-pop-tarts-768x768.jpg



https://www.supplysidefbj.com/food-beverage-regulations/deregulation-in-2025-what-food-beverage-companies-need-to-know

And we plan on further deregulating our food safety regulations. Do you think the quality is going to go up or down? Do you even know what you are "wooh"-ing for these days?

as usual, no reply from impactraw. i wonder, does he ever get tired of being proven wrong. probably caries over into his profession too haha.

[Phoenix]

as usual, no reply from impactraw. i wonder, does he ever get tired of being proven wrong. probably caries over into his profession too haha.

Funny enough I was having that conversation with a friend like 2 days ago about the regional differences in ingredients for US vs Non-US products. IIRC we were talking about ketchup, specifically...

[Off the Court]

impactraw

:oldlol:

[Off the Court]

More specifically, it shows that America has too much influence on geopolitical outcomes and with such responsibility, it requires whoever is sitting in the White House, Dem or Republican, to not act like a bull in a China shop when it comes to trade policy.

Even if the tariffs made sense( they don't),you don't announce and implement them within weeks. Tariffs can shift industries and you need to allow companies time to prepare for them. Not to forget they should be used mostly to safeguard vulnerable local industries so they have a chance for fair competition against non-domestic products, not blanket them across everything without any sense of thought. The American alcohol and car industries aren't minor economic pillars requiring protectionist policies. :facepalm And none of this will lead to manufacturing returning to the U.S. That's going to majorly increase the labor and logistics on producing American vehicles, thereby increasing the price to the consumer( which I thought was supposed to one of the points of putting tariffs on imports, to encourage buying America). If you end up making it more expensive to do so, how does that help the average American?

I mean, preach.

We have an ego driven bitter old man at the steering wheel of our economy.

I hope we all survive the ride because it is going to be bumpy AF

[86Celtics]

Just a reminder that there isn't a US auto manufacturer that is not using imported components. Guess what that means.

Also, these incompetent morons have actually imposed tariffs on Diego Garcia and a bunch of uninhabited islands. Israel imports have now a 17% tariff which are higher than Iran's. Israel has no tariffs on US imported goods. The one country that is exempt? Russia.

Pure idiocy, every way you look at it.

[SouBeachTalents]

I mean, preach.

We have an ego driven bitter old man at the steering wheel of our economy.

I hope we all survive the ride because it is going to be bumpy AF
He actually left office 3 months ago.

[Off the Court]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gncn4FsWwAAe3kv.jpg



Right before Biden left.

Trump inherited one of the strongest economies in the world. Actually "THE" strongest economy in the world.

[TheMan]

Just a reminder that there isn't a US auto manufacturer that is not using imported components. Guess what that means.

Also, these incompetent morons have actually imposed tariffs on Diego Garcia and a bunch of uninhabited islands. Israel imports have now a 17% tariff which are higher than Iran's. Israel has no tariffs on US imported goods. The one country that is exempt? Russia.

Pure idiocy, every way you look at it.

Of course, as if more proof is needed that Trump AKA agent Krasnov, is doing Putin's bidding. Everything going as planned.

[rawimpact]

Oh I don't doubt our food is highly processed. No question.. i'm not even arguing that. I'm talking about the rest of our goods. It's about time we start changing things. The way to do that is to increase demand for domestic products. One way is tariffs, other is increased wages and of course quality of goods.

You choose what you eat. Eat healthier if food is of concern to you.

[TheMan]

Oh I don't doubt our food is highly processed. No question.. i'm not even arguing that. I'm talking about the rest of our goods. It's about time we start changing things. The way to do that is to increase demand for domestic products. One way is tariffs, other is increased wages and of course quality of goods.

You choose what you eat. Eat healthier if food is of concern to you.
:roll:

[Hey Yo]

Exclusive-GM to increase truck production in Indiana following Trump's tariffs

DETROIT (Reuters) - General Motors is moving to increase production of light-duty trucks at its Fort Wayne, Indiana, assembly plant, it said in a webcast sent to plant employees on Thursday and viewed by Reuters.

The Fort Wayne plant makes the Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra trucks, which GM also manufactures at plants in Mexico and Canada.

The Detroit automaker may also add overtime days to the schedule, plant director Dennys Pimenta told employees in the webcast.

GM said in a statement on Thursday that it will hire temporary workers for the Fort Wayne assembly plant, saying that will be part of "operational adjustments" at the plant "to support current manufacturing and business needs."

A company source said several hundred temporary workers will be hired to increase employment at the plant.

GM said that to implement the changes at Fort Wayne, the plant will be taken down from April 22-25, following the Easter holiday.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-gm-increase-us-truck-164754389.html

[Bill Gates]

Unless you are buying a pickup truck, American autos are inferior.

Aside from that, limiting consumers is not in our best interest anyway. Consumers are better off with different choices.

[Hey Yo]

Less than 24hrs and GM commits to adding "several hundred American workers" to their workforce.

[TheMan]

Exclusive-GM to increase truck production in Indiana following Trump's tariffs

DETROIT (Reuters) - General Motors is moving to increase production of light-duty trucks at its Fort Wayne, Indiana, assembly plant, it said in a webcast sent to plant employees on Thursday and viewed by Reuters.

The Fort Wayne plant makes the Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra trucks, which GM also manufactures at plants in Mexico and Canada.

The Detroit automaker may also add overtime days to the schedule, plant director Dennys Pimenta told employees in the webcast.

GM said in a statement on Thursday that it will hire temporary workers for the Fort Wayne assembly plant, saying that will be part of "operational adjustments" at the plant "to support current manufacturing and business needs."

A company source said several hundred temporary workers will be hired to increase employment at the plant.

GM said that to implement the changes at Fort Wayne, the plant will be taken down from April 22-25, following the Easter holiday.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-gm-increase-us-truck-164754389.html

All this means is that trucks are gonna be more expensive to cover the costs of US labor. If wages stay stagnant, and no way a GOP administration will increase wages, then lots of people who used to be able to afford trucks, won't be able too now.

[Bill Gates]

Hiring "several hundred temporary workers" isn't even news worthy.

So like 300 hundred part time guys who will be released about a few months

[Phoenix]

Hiring "several hundred temporary workers" isn't even news worthy.

So like 300 hundred part time guys who will be released about a few months

Nor does it specify if they're American workers or those on Visas :confusedshrug:


All this means is that trucks are gonna be more expensive to cover the costs of US labor. If wages stay stagnant, and no way a GOP administration will increase wages, then lots of people who used to be able to afford trucks, won't be able too now.

Literally what I was about to say, now let's wait and see what the prices are with that move.

[warriorfan]

All this means is that trucks are gonna be more expensive to cover the costs of US labor. If wages stay stagnant, and no way a GOP administration will increase wages, then lots of people who used to be able to afford trucks, won't be able too now.

Thankfully you already have your Taco Truck.

[ShawkFactory]

Exclusive-GM to increase truck production in Indiana following Trump's tariffs

DETROIT (Reuters) - General Motors is moving to increase production of light-duty trucks at its Fort Wayne, Indiana, assembly plant, it said in a webcast sent to plant employees on Thursday and viewed by Reuters.

The Fort Wayne plant makes the Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra trucks, which GM also manufactures at plants in Mexico and Canada.

The Detroit automaker may also add overtime days to the schedule, plant director Dennys Pimenta told employees in the webcast.

GM said in a statement on Thursday that it will hire temporary workers for the Fort Wayne assembly plant, saying that will be part of "operational adjustments" at the plant "to support current manufacturing and business needs."

A company source said several hundred temporary workers will be hired to increase employment at the plant.

GM said that to implement the changes at Fort Wayne, the plant will be taken down from April 22-25, following the Easter holiday.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-gm-increase-us-truck-164754389.html

What’s the significance of this? :lol

[TheMan]

Nor does it specify if they're American workers or those on Visas :confusedshrug:



Literally what I was about to say, now let's wait and see what the prices are with that move.

Trump literally ran on lowering prices for everyone...every policy he has enacted does the exact opposite. Everyone is screwed and the only people who will benefit from this aside from the oligarch robber barons, and they certainly don't deserve it, is the Democratic Party. There's been massive shifts in the elections that have been held recently already, and if we do indeed have a recession, the GOP's hold on absolute power will be short lived. Meanwhile though, we will all have to take a big bite out of this shit sandwich served up by the Don.

[TheMan]

Thankfully you already have your Taco Truck.

Nah, thanks for your input but I just recently bought a 2025 Volkswagen Virtus Highline. Nothing to really brag about but it sure beats that dumpy 96 Chevy Cavalier you're rolling around on.

[Hey Yo]

What’s the significance of this? :lol

Ummmmmmm.... more vehicles being made in America which means less being made in Messico and Canada.

Thought you were smarter than that, unless you're just joining your crowd.

[Hey Yo]

Trump literally ran on lowering prices for everyone...every policy he has enacted does the exact opposite. Everyone is screwed and the only people who will benefit from this aside from the oligarch robber barons, and they certainly don't deserve it, is the Democratic Party. There's been massive shifts in the elections that have been held recently already, and if we do indeed have a recession, the GOP's hold on absolute power will be short lived. Meanwhile though, we will all have to take a big bite out of this shit sandwich served up by the Don.

He ran on tarrifs also. It was known well before election day that was the case. Like it's been said, short term pain for long term gain. You can speculate all you want about what's allegedly going to happen moving forward but the bottom line is it's nothing more than speculation.

[RRR3]

He ran on tarrifs also. It was known well before election day that was the case. Like it's been said, short term pain for long term gain. You can speculate all you want about what's allegedly going to happen moving forward but the bottom line is it's nothing more than speculation.
Imagine believing everything Trump tells you. 100% brainwashed.

[StickyWice]

Hahah beans cwy now

Merica numba one

Mexico come last

[Hey Yo]

Imagine believing everything Trump tells you. 100% brainwashed.

Imagine thinking men can give birth. How many kids did that Olympic boxer dude (who won women's gold) have again?

[Off the Court]

Imagine thinking men can give birth. How many kids did that Olympic boxer dude (who won women's gold) have again?
You believe this is actually a legit issue because Trump told you it was.

[RRR3]

You believe this is actually a legit issue because Trump told you it was.
:roll:

He's a senile old man terrified of minorities, what a life. Probably causing all sorts of trouble at the nursing home

[Axe]

Nah, thanks for your input but I just recently bought a 2025 Volkswagen Virtus Highline. Nothing to really brag about but it sure beats that dumpy 96 Chevy Cavalier you're rolling around on.
Lol actually he doesn't have a car. He only has his precious huffy bike to ride on.


https://i.postimg.cc/7PX8F3rj/0-C0-BBF86-3472-4-DF4-A116-692-BF7-CA1-D0-E.jpg

I bought a big bmx bike on Friday. It’s just a bmx bike with 26 inch tires pretty much. A buddy of mine told me about them last week. I was looking around and they were sold out everywhere but I finally found a place that had some. It’s super fun.

[Phoenix]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/stellantis-lays-off-hundreds-of-workers-in-us-over-trump-tariffs-reports/ar-AA1CeGHI?ocid=msedgntp&pc=ACTS&cvid=a943d6bb09c14a0985659477ba0ed51a&ei=32

"Stellantis has said it is temporarily laying off 900 workers across five U.S. facilities following the announcement of sweeping tariffs from President Donald Trump, Reuters reported.

In a statement to Newsweek, Stellantis wrote: "As a result of pausing production at several of Stellantis' Canadian and Mexican plants, there will be temporary layoffs at the Warren Stamping and Sterling Stamping plants (Michigan) as well as the Indiana Transmission Plant, Kokomo Transmission Plant and Kokomo Casting Plant (Indiana)."

Newsweek reached out to the U.S. Treasury for comment via email.
Why It Matters

Trump announced plans to impose higher tariff rates on dozens of countries that run trade surpluses with the United States on Wednesday, which he called "Liberation Day." While Trump has argued that these tariffs are necessary to restore U.S. manufacturing, economists have warned that companies will pass off the prices to American consumers, resulting in higher prices."

[diamenz]

just make more money bro.

[BigKobeFan]

Thankfully you already have your Taco Truck.

He wish he has a truck. Its more of a cart

[TheMan]

Lol actually he doesn't have a car. He only has his precious huffy bike to ride on.

Look at warriorfan, big spender over here :lol

[TheMan]

He wish he has a truck. Its more of a cart

Sure thing chlnky

[warriorfan]

He wish he has a truck. Its more of a cart

Word in the barrio is Tacoman is expanding his empire to elote as well.

He gonna be rolling in the pesos.

[ShawkFactory]

He ran on tarrifs also. It was known well before election day that was the case. Like it's been said, short term pain for long term gain. You can speculate all you want about what's allegedly going to happen moving forward but the bottom line is it's nothing more than speculation.

The belief that higher labor costs will in turn increase the cost of a product isn't really speculation. It's almost 1+1=2 situation.

Yes, in the long run there will be more production jobs in the states. But these products will absolutely be more expensive. Unless you believe these huge corporations are going to take losses out of fairness to the average person..

[Overdrive]

Imagine thinking men can give birth. How many kids did that Olympic boxer dude (who won women's gold) have again?

You called it dumb in the other threat, but that's exactly what your and others' arguments boil down to. You know exactly what Trump does from a economical and foreign policy standpoint is a complete idiotic mess so your last resort in a desperate attempt to justify your political choice is: But, but trans.

That's it. What I posted wasn't dumb. It's the truth. If Biden acted like Trump economically you guys would have a field day. You're calling the dems corporate shills, while Trump openly feeds the biggest corps in the world. You guys don't care for anything aslong as it's done by Trump and he keeps his anti-"leftist" agenda.

[Hey Yo]

You called it dumb in the other threat, but that's exactly what your and others' arguments boil down to. You know exactly what Trump does from a economical and foreign policy standpoint is a complete idiotic mess so your last resort in a desperate attempt to justify your political choice is: But, but trans.

That's it. What I posted wasn't dumb. It's the truth. If Biden acted like Trump economically you guys would have a field day. You're calling the dems corporate shills, while Trump openly feeds the biggest corps in the world. You guys don't care for anything aslong as it's done by Trump and he keeps his anti-"leftist" agenda.

Rrr3 insinuates that I'm dumb yet he's the one who claims men can give birth. There's no argument whatsoever.

Your claims in that other thread about "that's all they care about" was beyond dumb.

[Overdrive]

Rrr3 insinuates that I'm dumb yet he's the one who claims men can give birth. There's no argument whatsoever.

Your claims in that other thread about "that's all they care about" was beyond dumb.

Sorry, but it's obvious. Any Dem president tanking the economy like Trump would get roasted by you guys. So it's either partizan thinking or my claim.

[RRR3]

Sorry, but it's obvious. Any Dem president tanking the economy like Trump would get roasted by you guys. So it's either partizan thinking or my claim.
He's still on the subject of trans people :yaohappy:

Can't actually defend Trump, has to resort to whining about minorities :lol

[Off the Court]

yeah now it just goes to LGBT or race. Most of them have now taken their masks off and are now making full blown racist threads. They are what we thought they were.


MAGA posters: "wetback this, wetback that, beaner this, beaner that"

Also MAGA posters: "Democrats are the racist ones!"

[warriorfan]

yeah now it just goes to LGBT or race. Most of them have now taken their masks off and are now making full blown racist threads. They are what we thought they were.


MAGA posters: "wetback this, wetback that, beaner this, beaner that"

Also MAGA posters: "Democrats are the racist ones!"

How is making fun of someone for eating beans racist lmao.

You are weird.

[Off the Court]

How is making fun of someone for eating beans racist lmao.

You are weird.
You've been on a full blown racist binge for like 3 months now. One racist thread after another. It consumes you.

You should make use of that BMX bike and go outside. Do something healthy methy.

[RRR3]

You've been on a full blown racist binge for like 3 months now. One racist thread after another. It consumes you.

You should make use of that BMX bike and go outside. Do something healthy methy.
Funny thing is he once (correctly) called highwhey out for being racist but he doesn't see the irony in him doing the same shit. But then again he is basically an evil version of Badger from Breaking Bad.

[TheMan]

How is making fun of someone for eating beans racist lmao.

You are weird.

Huh, Americans eat a lot of beans too, they don't call Boston Beantown for nothing and last I checked, Boston isn't a city where Mexican Americans make up a sizable portion of the populace. Texas white boys love themselves some Chili Beans too. Beaner is just a dumb slur, like making fun of Americans for eating hamburger, like you're a hamburgerer, it's goofy. Same as tacos, you whiteys love wolfing it down. Same applies to black people and fried chicken, something wrong with you if you don't like fried chicken, it's basically a staple in a gang of cultures. And who doesn't love watermelons too :facepalm Making fun of an ethnicity for what they eat always seemed low IQ to me, especially if it's enjoyed by other cultures, I love rice, making fun of Asians for liking what I like is retarded :lol

[TheMan]

Funny thing is he once (correctly) called highwhey out for being racist but he doesn't see the irony in him doing the same shit. But then again he is basically an evil version of Badger from Breaking Bad.

TBH, I'm not racist but when a Chinese dope like BigKobeFan attacks my ethnicity, I fight fire with fire to light his ass up. I shut him up in a thread calling him the epitome of worthlessness, A Chinaman who is lacking in dick size but to compensate for that in high IQ, he's retarded lol, he didn't touch that one haha

[RRR3]

TBH, I'm not racist but when a Chinese dope like BigKobeFan attacks my ethnicity, I fight fire with fire to light his ass up. I shut his up in a thread calling him the epitome of worthlessness, A Chinaman who is lacking in dick size but to compensate for that in high IQ, he's retarded lol, he didn't touch that one haha
Responding to racism with racism is in fact racist, dawg. You don't fight the enemy with their own evil tactics. Telling yourself it's not racist might make you able to sleep at night, but it's the same shit they're doing.

[TheMan]

Responding to racism with racism is in fact racist, dawg. You don't fight the enemy with their own evil tactics. Telling yourself it's not racist might make you able to sleep at night, but it's the same shit they're doing.

It's the internet, I troll right back. Being a racist irl matters, not what you say in a dying message board. I have never insulted a person by their race in person because I'm not built like that. I have never attacked your heritage even when we have had our beefs in the past, and that's because you don't attack mine, see?

[Axe]

yeah now it just goes to LGBT or race. Most of them have now taken their masks off and are now making full blown racist threads. They are what we thought they were.


MAGA posters: "wetback this, wetback that, beaner this, beaner that"

Also MAGA posters: "Democrats are the racist ones!"
Aka goalpost moving.

[diamenz]

Responding to racism with racism is in fact racist, dawg. You don't fight the enemy with their own evil tactics. Telling yourself it's not racist might make you able to sleep at night, but it's the same shit they're doing.

shut the hell up, k1ke.

[SouBeachTalents]

shut the hell up, k1ke.
https://c.tenor.com/r5f0TrDu82kAAAAd/tenor.gif

[ZenMaster]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/stellantis-lays-off-hundreds-of-workers-in-us-over-trump-tariffs-reports/ar-AA1CeGHI?ocid=msedgntp&pc=ACTS&cvid=a943d6bb09c14a0985659477ba0ed51a&ei=32

"Stellantis has said it is temporarily laying off 900 workers across five U.S. facilities following the announcement of sweeping tariffs from President Donald Trump, Reuters reported.

In a statement to Newsweek, Stellantis wrote: "As a result of pausing production at several of Stellantis' Canadian and Mexican plants, there will be temporary layoffs at the Warren Stamping and Sterling Stamping plants (Michigan) as well as the Indiana Transmission Plant, Kokomo Transmission Plant and Kokomo Casting Plant (Indiana)."

Newsweek reached out to the U.S. Treasury for comment via email.
Why It Matters

Trump announced plans to impose higher tariff rates on dozens of countries that run trade surpluses with the United States on Wednesday, which he called "Liberation Day." While Trump has argued that these tariffs are necessary to restore U.S. manufacturing, economists have warned that companies will pass off the prices to American consumers, resulting in higher prices."

They'll start making those parts again when the production is moved back to the US.


Stellantis has committed to reopening its shuttered Belvidere Assembly plant in Illinois to build an all-new mid-size pickup truck in 2027 and return approximately 1,500 union-represented jobs, the United Auto Workers announced in a press release Wednesday.

Stellantis also announced plans to build the next generation Dodge Durango SUV at its Detroit Assembly Complex in Michigan, which was previously canceled, according to the UAW.

In the letter to employees, Elkann also announced the companyÂ’s other plans. They include investments in additional technologies for Jeep Wrangler and Jeep Gladiator production at its Toledo Assembly Complex, as well as components critical to production at its Toledo Machining Plant. Stellantis also plans to invest in its Kokomo, Indiana facilities to produce the GMET4 EVO engine for future models.

[TheMan]

They'll start making those parts again when the production is moved back to the US.

:roll:

[ZenMaster]

:roll:

Because the cars aren't be produced in Mexico or Canada they won't need transmissions? :oldlol:

[Hey Yo]

Sorry, but it's obvious. Any Dem president tanking the economy like Trump would get roasted by you guys. So it's either partizan thinking or my claim.

It's barely 100 days into his term. Go look when my criticism started on how your boy Biden was doing shit. Sure as hell wasn't after just 100 days.

[Overdrive]

It's barely 100 days into his term. Go look when my criticism started on how your boy Biden was doing shit. Sure as hell wasn't after just 100 days.

Biden isn't my boy. He's just a tad less right leaning than Trump and he was criticized before he was even inaugurated.

[TheMan]

Because the cars aren't be produced in Mexico or Canada they won't need transmissions? :oldlol:


Yeah if you want industry to come back, the government needs to help out also but this dumbass one does the opposite, they cut the CHIPs Act that was supposed to help manufacturers come to America:roll:

It's hilarious you think Trump is using tariffs to encourage manufacturers to the US, it's for nefarious reasons, pick one of several theories out there.

[j3lademaster]

There hasn't been one example in history of limiting trade and trying to become self-sufficient being good for a Country. The most recent 1:1 example of what's going on right now is literally Hitler's Germany.


Autarky:
The Nazi government implemented a policy of "Autarky," aiming to make Germany self-sufficient by producing all the goods it needed, reducing reliance on imports.

Limited Trade Partners:
The Nazi government favored trade with countries within their sphere of influence, signing bilateral trade agreements with countries in Southern and South-Eastern Europe.

Economic Dependence:
The goal was to use economic and political power to make these countries dependent on Germany, with Germany drawing raw materials from the region in exchange for German manufactured goods.

Trade with Specific Countries:
Germany also maintained productive trade relationships with countries like Spain, Switzerland, and Sweden for specific resources and services.

Cartels and Monopolies:
German businesses were encouraged to form cartels, monopolies, and oligopolies, whose interests were then protected by the state.

Rationing of Consumer Goods:
Reduced foreign trade led to rationing of consumer goods like poultry, fruit, and clothing for many Germans.

Economic Strain:
The German economy became strained as it tried to meet its import demands, leading to shortages and a decline in quality of goods.

Focus on Rearmament:
Hitler dictated that shortages should hit normal Germans instead of hindering the rearmament effort. Source is AI, but this is all common knowledge out of any middle school history book.

Hitler gave the big govt contracts to his buddies at Mercedes Benz and Hugo Boss. That is NOT a free market, and definitely NOT fair competition. The bolded part is so "writing on the wall" it isn't even funny. That's literally Musk, Bezos and Zuck right now.

Their economy was somewhat sustainable due to literal labor camps(we're building one in Guantanamo, don't worry) and it still caused economic strain.

[RRR3]

There hasn't been one example in history of limiting trade and trying to become self-sufficient being good for a Country. The most recent 1:1 example of what's going on right now is literally Hitler's Germany.

Source is AI, but this is all common knowledge out of any middle school history book.

Hitler gave the big govt contracts to his buddies at Mercedes Benz and Hugo Boss. That is NOT a free market, and definitely NOT fair competition. The bolded part is so "writing on the wall" it isn't even funny. That's literally Musk, Bezos and Zuck right now.

Their economy was somewhat sustainable due to literal labor camps(we're building one in Guantanamo, don't worry) and it still caused economic strain.
Everyone who is paying attention sees the parallels to Nazi Germany, but try telling that to MAGA and they just rage and fill their diapers

[AlternativeAcc.]

Everyone who is paying attention sees the parallels to Nazi Germany, but try telling that to MAGA and they just rage and fill their diapers

If we exterminate losers like yourself I'm fine with it.

[TheMan]

If we exterminate losers like yourself I'm fine with it.

Lol, how was that Super Bowl for ya? Decided to finally show your mug around these parts, eh? :oldlol:

Effing coward

[ZenMaster]

Yeah if you want industry to come back, the government needs to help out also but this dumbass one does the opposite, they cut the CHIPs Act that was supposed to help manufacturers come to America:roll:

It's hilarious you think Trump is using tariffs to encourage manufacturers to the US, it's for nefarious reasons, pick one of several theories out there.

Yes if you start production in the US you don't have to pay any tariffs, how nefarious. And lol no I'm not going to pick one of your crazy conspiracy theories :oldlol:

[TheMan]

Yes if you start production in the US you don't have to pay any tariffs, how nefarious. And lol no I'm not going to pick one of your crazy conspiracy theories :oldlol:

Dummy, if you want to encourage businesses to bring back jobs to the US, you offer loan guarantees, grants, tax benefits etc. You don't cut programs like the CHIPs Act :oldlol: Trump is offering none of that...this is just to consolidate power, this idiot is talking openly about a third term, never mind it's wholly unconstitutional. Wake up.

Thankfully people are waking up, his approvals are tanking and I predicted his approvals would be in the 30s by 2028, he's well on his way towards that. If he does try to stay in power, his corpse will be dragged out of the White House, the vast majority of us don't want a dictator.

[Overdrive]

Yes if you start production in the US you don't have to pay any tariffs, how nefarious. And lol no I'm not going to pick one of your crazy conspiracy theories :oldlol:

It's too late for that, especially by just raising and introducing tariffs. If production was brought back to the US labour would still be more expensive than overseas so a hike in prices will happen no matter what.

You could argue that atleast american workers get wages, but you can be sure they'll be bargained as low as possible. In the end it benefits a small group of people that are already at the top of the companies trying to shift production back to the US. I wonder if there are historic examples of that happening.

[ZenMaster]

Dummy, if you want to encourage businesses to bring back jobs to the US, you offer loan guarantees, grants, tax benefits etc. You don't cut programs like the CHIPs Act :oldlol: Trump is offering none of that...this is just to consolidate power, this idiot is talking openly about a third term, never mind it's wholly unconstitutional. Wake up.

Thankfully people are waking up, his approvals are tanking and I predicted his approvals would be in the 30s by 2028, he's well on his way towards that. If he does try to stay in power, his corpse will be dragged out of the White House, the vast majority of us don't want a dictator.

They've been encouraged in the past and still did what they could to move production of US cars away from the US, so now they'll just be forced to move production back instead.

Do tell me more about how business who profit billions of dollars per year needs more tax benefits and loan guarantees lol. They get the benefit of NOT paying 25% tariff on their Mexican import product, should be all the incentive they need.

You guys are all over the place, oh he's consolidating power, he's actually a nazi, he's actually working with Putin on taking over the world, he's in the pocket of Musk who's the real President, Musk is actually working with Putin, he's just there to to enrich his friends, he's stupid and has no idea what he's doing, he's going to try and take over the world as a dictator, he'll start WWIII on purpose, he's tanking the economy on purpose etc.

You've reached such a peak level with this, that you're now telling me to "just pick your own conspiracy" and go with it :oldlol: :oldlol:

[ZenMaster]

It's too late for that, especially by just raising and introducing tariffs. If production was brought back to the US labour would still be more expensive than overseas so a hike in prices will happen no matter what.

You could argue that atleast american workers get wages, but you can be sure they'll be bargained as low as possible. In the end it benefits a small group of people that are already at the top of the companies trying to shift production back to the US. I wonder if there are historic examples of that happening.

Too late for what? The world isn't ending tomorrow or next year you know.. It's funny with people like you, where there's just no solution. They ship over cars made in Europe to the US, but not the other way. You can certainly change the rules so it can either be done both ways, or so the brands will have local production on both continents.


We'll see where potential price hikes ends up at, e.g Ford is already offering it's "From America, For America" deal where customers get discounts at same level as employees until June 3. I have strong doubts you'll just see a general price hike of 25% from one day to the other as it might lead to any of these manufacturers losing maybe 50% of their sales, and the real profit for automakers isn't on the individual sale itself, but to sell a lot of cars so they can service them for years after.
Plenty of cars made in the US that manufacturers profit from, some cars are even made both in the US and Mexico, without the Mexican model being cheaper.


This Ford Motor Company: From America, For America program is a testament to our commitment to assembling where we sell. It's a way for us to give back to the communities that have supported us for generations.

Ford is proud to employ more U.S. hourly autoworkers than any other automaker. When you buy a Ford vehicle, you're not just getting a capable vehicle; you're investing in American jobs and American communities.

And we believe in American ingenuity and the enduring spirit of the American driver.

Rob Kaffl is Ford director, U.S. sales and dealer relations.

https://www.fromtheroad.ford.com/us/en/articles/2025/a-handshake-deal-for-america-ford-employee-pricing-for-everyone#:~:text=We%20call%20it%20Ford%20Motor,wil l%20impact%20their%20daily%20lives.

[BigKobeFan]

Dummy, if you want to encourage businesses to bring back jobs to the US, you offer loan guarantees, grants, tax benefits etc. You don't cut programs like the CHIPs Act :oldlol: Trump is offering none of that...this is just to consolidate power, this idiot is talking openly about a third term, never mind it's wholly unconstitutional. Wake up.

Thankfully people are waking up, his approvals are tanking and I predicted his approvals would be in the 30s by 2028, he's well on his way towards that. If he does try to stay in power, his corpse will be dragged out of the White House, the vast majority of us don't want a dictator.

This clown now wants more tax breaks for the rich

[Hey Yo]

Dummy, if you want to encourage businesses to bring back jobs to the US, you offer loan guarantees, grants, tax benefits etc. You don't cut programs like the CHIPs Act :oldlol: Trump is offering none of that...this is just to consolidate power, this idiot is talking openly about a third term, never mind it's wholly unconstitutional. Wake up.

Thankfully people are waking up, his approvals are tanking and I predicted his approvals would be in the 30s by 2028, he's well on his way towards that. If he does try to stay in power, his corpse will be dragged out of the White House, the vast majority of us don't want a dictator.

TDS has you melting down after midnight on a Saturday

:roll:

[Bill Gates]

Elon Musk is now starting to speak out against the tariffs.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/elon-musk-melts-down-at-trumps-tariff-guru-peter-navarro-as-feud-goes-public/



I knew it would only be a matter of time before the oligarchs finally stood up to Trump. Trillions wiped from their wealth, and a market drop comparable to covid will do it. It is going to be interesting to see Trump's ego feud with them.

[Bill Gates]

I think the one positive here, is that if Trump does in fact completely burn the world's economy to the ground. It will finally unite us all together, and MAGA will be reduced to a small group of extremists.

[Hey Yo]

Pelosi wanting the same as Trump, so why is it different now??


https://youtu.be/sBF73bCYg5A?si=sKp9CLAo9WDQ-1LT

[Overdrive]

Too late for what? The world isn't ending tomorrow or next year you know.. It's funny with people like you, where there's just no solution. They ship over cars made in Europe to the US, but not the other way. You can certainly change the rules so it can either be done both ways, or so the brands will have local production on both continents.


We'll see where potential price hikes ends up at, e.g Ford is already offering it's "From America, For America" deal where customers get discounts at same level as employees until June 3. I have strong doubts you'll just see a general price hike of 25% from one day to the other as it might lead to any of these manufacturers losing maybe 50% of their sales, and the real profit for automakers isn't on the individual sale itself, but to sell a lot of cars so they can service them for years after.
Plenty of cars made in the US that manufacturers profit from, some cars are even made both in the US and Mexico, without the Mexican model being cheaper.



https://www.fromtheroad.ford.com/us/en/articles/2025/a-handshake-deal-for-america-ford-employee-pricing-for-everyone#:~:text=We%20call%20it%20Ford%20Motor,wil l%20impact%20their%20daily%20lives.

Assemble is the magic word. The discounts are on pretariff models.
Give it a few months of tariffs and we'll see.

[Overdrive]

I think the one positive here, is that if Trump does in fact completely burn the world's economy to the ground. It will finally unite us all together, and MAGA will be reduced to a small group of extremists.

Funny how Trump does the "great reset" the maga heads and conspiracy nuts are so afraid of and even cheer for it.

[warriorfan]

Funny how Trump does the "great reset" the maga heads and conspiracy nuts are so afraid of and even cheer for it.

You are a european ****** who depends on the US for defense that subsidizes all of your social programs.

Cringe.

[TheMan]

This clown now wants more tax breaks for the rich

This is a capitalist nation, numbnuts. Rich people own the companies that hire workers. If you really want them to come back to America, you're gonna have to help them out, not all rich people have unlimited resources like Musk you knuckledragger.

I thought you wanted manufacturing jobs to come back? You gotta offer incentives, tariffs alone won't do it. But then again that's not Trump's real motive for his trade war...

[Overdrive]

You are a european ****** who depends on the US for defense that subsidizes all of your social programs.

Cringe.

You wish you lived in Europe so you wouldn't live in a cardboard box smoking crack to cope with your pity existence.

[ArbitraryWater]

https://i.gyazo.com/9fbb7f3e1f312142c768e10dc9156a2a.png

[ZenMaster]

Elon Musk is now starting to speak out against the tariffs.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/elon-musk-melts-down-at-trumps-tariff-guru-peter-navarro-as-feud-goes-public/



I knew it would only be a matter of time before the oligarchs finally stood up to Trump. Trillions wiped from their wealth, and a market drop comparable to covid will do it. It is going to be interesting to see Trump's ego feud with them.

0% or very low tariffs both ways with the EU would be sweet.


Assemble is the magic word. The discounts are on pretariff models.
Give it a few months of tariffs and we'll see.

Let's see in a few years, I'm pretty confident that if automakers could raise prices by 25% from one day to the other without crashing their sales, cars would already be 25% more expensive.
Right now it feels similar to discussion around illegal immigration, which dems spent years explaining that you juuuust couldn't fix it other than by doing it like it was done so before. In fact, it was Trump's fault that it wasn't fixed because he was blocking a bill and you juuuust couldn't fix illegal immigration without this bill made by the legacy politicians.


This is a capitalist nation, numbnuts. Rich people own the companies that hire workers. If you really want them to come back to America, you're gonna have to help them out, not all rich people have unlimited resources like Musk you knuckledragger.

I thought you wanted manufacturing jobs to come back? You gotta offer incentives, tariffs alone won't do it. But then again that's not Trump's real motive for his trade war...

It's a ruthless but strong negotiation tactic to flip the tables and provide this level of pressure on the other part. This way when you start negotiations, you're more likely to hit the minimum of what your counterpart would accept because you're leveraging them down.
Setting up these blanket tariffs hit both other countries and US corps nearshoring and offshoring, other countries are now coming to the negotiation table wanting to make a deal, while US corps are forced to look at bringing production home.

[warriorfan]

You wish you lived in Europe so you wouldn't live in a cardboard box smoking crack to cope with your pity existence.

No one wants to live in europe and beg america to protect them so they can have shitty healthcare for cheap :roll:

[TeflonDonTrump]

This is a capitalist nation, numbnuts. Rich people own the companies that hire workers. If you really want them to come back to America, you're gonna have to help them out, not all rich people have unlimited resources like Musk you knuckledragger.

I thought you wanted manufacturing jobs to come back? You gotta offer incentives, tariffs alone won't do it. But then again that's not Trump's real motive for his trade war...

Tax the rich, Tax the rich. Now this clown wants to give tax breaks.

[diamenz]

Tax the rich, Tax the rich. Now this clown wants to give tax breaks.

less taxes, less taxes. now this clown wants to implement a massive tax through tariffs.

you could go back and forth all day with this petty shit. wtf does making juvenile statements like this accomplish?

[TeflonDonTrump]

less taxes, less taxes. now this clown wants to implement a massive tax through tariffs.

you could go back and forth all day with this petty shit. wtf does making juvenile statements like this accomplish?

This is about the hypocrisy of TacoMan. Any way to undermine trump. Its not about tariffs.

[TeflonDonTrump]

TBH, I'm not racist but when a Chinese dope like BigKobeFan attacks my ethnicity, I fight fire with fire to light his ass up. I shut him up in a thread calling him the epitome of worthlessness, A Chinaman who is lacking in dick size but to compensate for that in high IQ, he's retarded lol, he didn't touch that one haha

The only thing you lit up is the shopping cart for your Tacos.

[Lakers Legend#32]

https://i.gyazo.com/9fbb7f3e1f312142c768e10dc9156a2a.png

Let's see what happens?

By then it will be too late.

[diamenz]

This is about the hypocrisy of TacoMan. Any way to undermine trump. Its not about tariffs.

you don't he's given biden equal criticism?

[TeflonDonTrump]

you don't he's given biden equal criticism?

I don't make two contradictory points and support 2 different positions.

[diamenz]

I don't make two contradictory points and support 2 different positions.

you support the blanket tariffs, no? that's fine btw. so you excuse a temporary higher tax rate for the benefit of a better america in the long term.

how is that not the same as theman also breaking off from his normal ideology under a unique circumstance?

[TeflonDonTrump]

you support the blanket tariffs, no? that's fine btw. so you excuse a temporary higher tax rate for the benefit of a better america in the long term.

how is that not the same as theman also breaking off from his normal ideology under a unique circumstance?

I never supported any tariffs. I believe in free trade. But if these tariffs are retaliatory to what the other countries are doing to us, then i'm fine with it.

[diamenz]

I never supported any tariffs. I believe in free trade.

then i was mistaken. why are you not speaking out against them?

[diamenz]

But if these tariffs are retaliatory to what the other countries are doing to us, then i'm fine with it.

but are they? i posted an article regarding this and you dismissed it out of hand.

[TeflonDonTrump]

but are they? i posted an article regarding this and you dismissed it out of hand.

I have no knowledge of it so I don't comment.

[diamenz]

I have no knowledge of it so I don't comment.

because it wouldn't serve your interests to do so, am i right? let's be honest here.

[TheMan]

I don't make two contradictory points and support 2 different positions.

You can do two things at the same time, it's time to tax the rich, they're paying less and less taxes...and if you want American corporations to bring back their jobs to the US, tax incentives, guaranteed loans and grants, as long as they pay fair wages to Americans. It's not rocket science, retard.

[warriorfan]

You can do two things at the same time, it's time to tax the rich, they're paying less and less taxes...and if you want American corporations to bring back their jobs to the US, tax incentives, guaranteed loans and grants, as long as they pay fair wages to Americans. It's not rocket science, retard.

You can tax the rich and give the rich tax cuts at the same time.

Beaner logic my friends. This is why they specialize in pushing around carts with unhealthy food and drywall

[Axe]

^^Hey, you shouldn't be talking about who pays their taxes to whom just because you know that everyone knows you're so freaking broke. :no:

[Overdrive]

No one wants to live in europe and beg america to protect them so they can have shitty healthcare for cheap :roll:

https://www.newsweek.com/rankings/worlds-best-hospitals-2025

14 of the top 30 are in Europe only 8 in the US. Start educating yourself.

[Chick Stern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/644997621836152892/1357359498444017775/487980874_10161371194458108_5436106305399542484_n-1.jpg?ex=67f5d9ca&is=67f4884a&hm=4180253658b7aa7e193926a6ee597d9a416e1a633111047 771905fb763d8e26e&

[TheMan]

You can tax the rich and give the rich tax cuts at the same time.

Beaner logic my friends. This is why they specialize in pushing around carts with unhealthy food and drywall

Tax incentives to corporations based on coming back and having union jobs you absolute moron.

[ZenMaster]

Tax incentives to corporations based on coming back and having union jobs you absolute moron.

Not having to pay tariffs by producing in America is a tax incentive.

[TheMan]

Not having to pay tariffs by producing in America is a tax incentive.

Not really, you need a strategy behind it, tax incentives, grants, loan guarantees like the CHIPs Act and use tariffs like a surgical knife and not a blunt hacksaw and target specific industries and give industry time. It was decades in the making of manufacturers leaving the US, it's not a matter of months nor a couple of years.

You don't start a heavy handed trade war with the whole world at once, it's just plain stupid.

If the whole world wanted to, they could really screw the US by heavily tariffing all US exports which would lead to massive job loss in the US. Every economist out there not part of the MAGA cult says this is NOT the way to bring jobs back, this will only lead to worldwide economic crash if Trump doesn't reverse course.

This will go either of two ways...Trump pauses/stops this nonsense because enough billionaires got in his ear, he'll claim a bunch of countries want to renegotiate and call it a win or he can't control his ego and he just doesn't care about the damage to the average American family and he'll continue until we have a depression worse than what we have ever seen in our lifetime...and I'm not talking only about the US, this will be felt everywhere.

[ZenMaster]

Not really, you need a strategy behind it and go at it with a surgical knife and not a blunt hacksaw. If the whole world wanted to, they could really screw the US by heavily tariffing all US exports which would lead to massive job loss in the US. Every economist out of the MAGA cult says this is NOT the way to bring jobs back, this will only lead to worldwide economic crash if Trump doesn't reverse course.

Of course there's a strategy behind it, though you or the economists who's all read the same books for the last 40 years might not agree with it.

Put pressure on other governments, giving them incentive to negotiate new trade deal that are better for the US than the ones in the past.
Put pressure on individual companies and give incentive to bring production back to the US.

Maybe there is a better strategy, but I certainly don't agree that the people with the same ideas as the ones who's been in charge for the last many years are the ones who have it, wouldn't be in this mess to begin with if that was the case.

[TheMan]

Of course there's a strategy behind it, though you or the economists who's all read the same books for the last 40 years might not agree with it.

Put pressure on other governments, giving them incentive to negotiate new trade deal that are better for the US than the ones in the past.
Put pressure on individual companies and give incentive to bring production back to the US.

Maybe there is a better strategy, but I certainly don't agree that the people with the same ideas as the ones who's been in charge for the last many years are the ones who have it, wouldn't be in this mess to begin with if that was the case.

You also know that trade deficits doesn't mean a country is screwing us right? I do agree that it was bad for the US to lose many manufacturing jobs to other countries but that was pushed by the free trade neoliberal conservatives in the GOP. As a left leaning on economics pro union Democrat (I no longer identify as a Democrat because they're basically GOP lite), I never liked seeing so many manufacturers leaving to South East Asia to pay slave wages while getting insanely rich, I knew it wasn't good for US families because of lost job opportunities, though the trade off was we got cheaper goods. Back to my main point, trade deficits aren't necessarily a bad thing, all that means is that we keep buying shit we want. I run a family business, I have a trade deficit with a family run coffee and donut shop on my corner, they have never bought anything I sell yet I buy my coffee at their shop every morning, they aren't screwing me, I love their coffee, I have the money so I buy it :confusedshrug: Now if a country is tariffing an American product, then by all means, do a retaliatory tariff, but if they don't and you still have a budget deficit, all it means is that that country has goods you want, they aren't screwing us over but Trump doesn't seem to be able to grasp this simple concept.

[ZenMaster]

You also know that trade deficits doesn't mean a country is screwing us right? I do agree that it was bad for the US to lose many manufacturing jobs to other countries but that was pushed by the free trade neoliberal conservatives in the GOP. As a left leaning on economics pro union Democrat (I no longer identify as a Democrat because they're basically GOP lite), I never liked seeing so many manufacturers leaving to South East Asia to pay slave wages while getting insanely rich, I knew it wasn't good for US families because of lost job opportunities, though the trade off was we got cheaper goods. Back to my main point, trade deficits aren't necessarily a bad thing, all that means is that we keep buying shit we want. I run a family business, I have a trade deficit with a family run coffee and donut shop on my corner, they have never bought anything I sell yet I buy my coffee at their shop every morning, they aren't screwing me, I love their coffee, I have the money so I buy it :confusedshrug: Now if a country is tariffing an American product, then by all means, do a retaliatory tariff, but if they don't and you still have a budget deficit, all it means is that that country has goods you want, they aren't screwing us over but Trump doesn't seem to be able to grasp this simple concept.

But which countries doesn't have tariffs on US products? Pretty sure they all do, except for Israel last I heard.
Even on small stuff, like if you're an American business and want to sell a pair of $150 shoes to a person in Scandinavia, there's a straight 20% tariff slapped on your sales price, on top of their regular VAT sales tax, only because you're selling them from the US. The customer simply won't get his product released from customs there unless he or she pays the extra fee directly to their government.

Good example of very real B2B tariff differences here:


https://youtu.be/oM96ErKnyTE

[diamenz]

Put pressure on other governments, giving them incentive to negotiate new trade deal that are better for the US than the ones in the past.
Put pressure on individual companies and give incentive to bring production back to the US.



which one is it though? is trump in this for the short or long term? i don't think he's made that clear.

trump could get some quick deals, drop the tariffs and use them to piggyback on to the trillions in corporate tax cuts. it's either that or he truly believes in bringing back american manufacturing and is going to ride this until the end.

knowing trump and how much of a 'wins' focused and lack of ideology guy that he is, it's probably the former.

[TheMan]

But which countries doesn't have tariffs on US products? Pretty sure they all do, except for Israel last I heard.
Even on small stuff, like if you're an American business and want to sell a pair of $150 shoes to a person in Scandinavia, there's a straight 20% tariff slapped on your sales price, on top of their regular VAT sales tax, only because you're selling them from the US. The customer simply won't get his product released from customs there unless he or she pays the extra fee directly to their government.

Good example of very real B2B tariff differences here:


https://youtu.be/oM96ErKnyTE
The USMCA trade deal was pushed by Trump to replace NAFTA, every product between the three are for the most part tariffs free except some that were agreed upon by the 3 trading partners.

[ZenMaster]

The USMCA trade deal was pushed by Trump to replace NAFTA, every product between the three are for the most part tariffs free except some that were agreed upon by the 3 trading partners.

But Canada uses supply management policies instead right on relevant industries like dairy, right? So instead of tariffs on every product, there's just a limit on how much dairy products can be exported in total from the US to Canada until a very high tariff kicks in.

And more importantly, those two countries are special in this regard because they're neighboring countries to the US. Problem with Mexico's isn't that they're exporting real Mexican products to the US, but that US companies is nearshoring and moved production there to lower costs, so American products made in Mexico so to speak and this dynamic has completely taken off in the last years, even just from 2023 to 2024 that trade deficit increased by 13%.

I get that it's a point for you to say that USMCA is a deal Trump pushed and that's fair, but it doesn't mean he should be happy with it or how things have been going since. I also agree with you that the tactics used by Trump on this are very hardcore and won't make him popular in the world, but I'm sure they'll be effective in creating change fast as possible and Trump doesn't have much time left this being his 2nd term.
He'll also die relatively soon, I'm sure he'd like to see some results as well before that happens. Like I said in the thread earlier, 0% tariffs with Europe would be sweet and they've now opened up for that discussion, which wasn't anywhere on the table or even the menu before he did this.

[diamenz]

prices are gonna go up for products regardless of this "pause". companies will use it as an excuse to price gouge americans simply because they can and/or they'll use the excuse that the uncertainty of any future tariff reimplementation are forcing them to play it safe. so the middle class gets *ucked either way and the big shots will of course get their tax breaks.

[ZenMaster]

prices are gonna go up for products regardless of this "pause". companies will use it as an excuse to price gouge americans simply because they can and/or they'll use the excuse that the uncertainty of any future tariff reimplementation are forcing them to play it safe. so the middle class gets *ucked either way and the big shots will of course get their tax breaks.

It's a dead end discussion bro when people expect a quick solution.

Raise tariffs and companies will raise prices, screwing over the middle class.

Raise corporate taxes and companies will raise prices, screwing over the middle class.

Don't do anything and companies will keep moving as many production jobs as possible overseas and south of the border, screwing over the middle class.

[Bill Gates]

Capitalism by nature will evolve against the middle class. By nature it seeks to create products for as cheap as possible, as efficient as possible. That is great for getting us cheap products, but it is awful for wage and salary growth.

Slowly over time, the average American worker makes less and less, as businesses evolve to become more and more efficient. Replacing humans with computers when possible, paying younger less qualified people when they can get away with it.

The only solution is government intervention. The wealthy must be forced to spread their wealth. This is a solution that scares the right, they equate it to communism. But it isn't communism where every single worker has the same exact salary and there are no classes. That does not work and it is understood. But what also needs to be understood is that what works great in 1825 may not work great in 2025. And what worked poorly in the past may be needed in the future. Different eras have different demands and very different situations.

[ZenMaster]

Capitalism by nature will evolve against the middle class. By nature it seeks to create products for as cheap as possible, as efficient as possible. That is great for getting us cheap products, but it is awful for wage and salary growth.

Slowly over time, the average American worker makes less and less, as businesses evolve to become more and more efficient. Replacing humans with computers when possible, paying younger less qualified people when they can get away with it.

The only solution is government intervention. The wealthy must be forced to spread their wealth. This is a solution that scares the right, they equate it to communism. But it isn't communism where every single worker has the same exact salary and there are no classes. That does not work and it is understood. But what also needs to be understood is that what works great in 1825 may not work great in 2025. And what worked poorly in the past may be needed in the future. Different eras have different demands and very different situations.

How wealthy is wealthy? You're ready to spread some of yours?

If billionaires were forced to give up their wealth it would mean them having to sell off stocks and cause stock prices to go down.
You've spent a decent amount of time in the last few days arguing as to why that definitely cannot happen and how it would lead to companies raising prices and screwing over the middle class, no? Seems like another dead end.

[Bill Gates]

How wealthy is wealthy? You're ready to spread some of yours?

If billionaires were forced to give up their wealth it would mean them having to sell off stocks and cause stock prices to go down, you've spent a decent amount of time in the last few days arguing as to why that definitely cannot happen and how it would lead to companies raising prices and screwing over the middle class, no? Seems like another dead end.

I think there are several different mechanisms. Forcing companies to pay out a certain % of royalty payments to it's workforce is one. Forced profit-sharing plans. A company must either reinvest it's profits into the company (like Amazon) or pay say 25% of all it's quarterly profits out to all of it's employees based on seniority or something else. The owners can not keep all of the profit. Maybe most, but not all. And if a company does not post a profit? They do not have to pay anything, which gives the workers incentive to work harder, as they are now part owner.

Or perhaps companies are forced to give it's employees a certain amount of stock in the company every year. So that all employees share in the wealth to some degree.

[Bill Gates]

Some companies already do these things, but they do them on their own. If it were something every company was forced to do? Middle class would be in much better shape was they would grow along with the economy.

[ZenMaster]

I think there are several different mechanisms. Forcing companies to pay out a certain % of royalty payments to it's workforce is one. Forced profit-sharing plans. A company must either reinvest it's profits into the company (like Amazon) or pay say 25% of all it's quarterly profits out to all of it's employees based on seniority or something else. The owners can not keep all of the profit. Maybe most, but not all. And if a company does not post a profit? They do not have to pay anything, which gives the workers incentive to work harder, as they are now part owner.

Or perhaps companies are forced to give it's employees a certain amount of stock in the company every year. So that all employees share in the wealth to some degree.

Alright so the already wealthy billionaires get to keep their money and stocks, but companies are now forced to pay out more money for their workers through a set of arbitrary rules.

1) When all the billionaire investors hear about these news laws are coming and companies will profit a lot less in the future, they sell their stocks and tank the market.

2) When companies find out they're being forced to pay out more money to their US workers by law, they'll have even more incentive to move jobs overseas or south of the border.

[Bill Gates]

Alright so the already wealthy billionaires get to keep their money and stocks, but companies are now forced to pay out more money for their workers through a set of arbitrary rules.

1) When all the billionaire investors hear about these news laws are coming and companies will profit a lot less in the future, they sell their stocks and tank the market.

2) When companies find out they're being forced to pay out more money to their US workers by law, they'll have even more incentive to move jobs overseas or south of the border.

A lot of companies already pay out shareholders every quarter in the form of a distribution. Like I said, everything I just typed out is something that a lot of companies already do. It just needs to be EVERY company. Every US worker should have a little ownership in some way. That would solve the problem. It either forces CEOs and owners to share a little, or grow the company and hire more.

Another mechanism would be some form a wealth cap. Like a human can only have $50 Billion in wealth or something like that. Really all you need to buy literally anything you want is $1B. That would buy all the beach homes and Ferraris you could want. There is no reason at all to have more wealth than that. And you could set it to where it excludes owners from having to sell their own company's stock or something.

There are different ways of spreading wealth, and eventually? we will be left with no other choice. Especially when automation really starts removing jobs.

[diamenz]

can somebody explain to me what we got out of this? i don't have the energy to cut through the bullshit on left and right media.

[MMM]

But Canada uses supply management policies instead right on relevant industries like dairy, right? So instead of tariffs on every product, there's just a limit on how much dairy products can be exported in total from the US to Canada until a very high tariff kicks in.

And more importantly, those two countries are special in this regard because they're neighboring countries to the US. Problem with Mexico's isn't that they're exporting real Mexican products to the US, but that US companies is nearshoring and moved production there to lower costs, so American products made in Mexico so to speak and this dynamic has completely taken off in the last years, even just from 2023 to 2024 that trade deficit increased by 13%.

I get that it's a point for you to say that USMCA is a deal Trump pushed and that's fair, but it doesn't mean he should be happy with it or how things have been going since. I also agree with you that the tactics used by Trump on this are very hardcore and won't make him popular in the world, but I'm sure they'll be effective in creating change fast as possible and Trump doesn't have much time left this being his 2nd term.
He'll also die relatively soon, I'm sure he'd like to see some results as well before that happens. Like I said in the thread earlier, 0% tariffs with Europe would be sweet and they've now opened up for that discussion, which wasn't anywhere on the table or even the menu before he did this.

The dairy quotas are never reached so those high tariff rates never get triggered. I assume they will get rid of those quotas in the next agreement if they have never been rached.