Jokic is getting screwed by teammate health

[StrongLurk]

Jamal Murray was out in 2021 playoffs.

Murray and MPJ out 2022 playoffs.

Murray completely hobbled in 2024 playoffs.

And now Murray AGAIN is injured and may not be healthy for the regular season.

Jokic's supporting cast of role players has also decreased in quality in 2024 and 2025 since the 2023 season.

Honestly man Jokic can't win if his best teammates (who aren't even all-nba caliber) can't stay healthy. Imagine Jordan trying to win any rings in the 90's with Pippen missing 2 whole playoffs and potentially a 3rd playoff. MJ wouldn't win anything.

Not sure how the Nuggets can retool in the short term and Jokic doesn't seem like the guy to go to another team in FA.

[Neal Romer]

A lot of people arent on the necessary level to be able to really appreciate his impact. They repeat the "he didnt wins the chip that year" tropes because their minds arent wired beyond simple parroted talking points.

It's cool. Just enjoy watching him. Be thankful that you get it.

[3ba11]

Jamal Murray was out in 2021 playoffs.

Murray and MPJ out 2022 playoffs.

Murray completely hobbled in 2024 playoffs.

And now Murray AGAIN is injured and may not be healthy for the regular season.

Jokic's supporting cast of role players has also decreased in quality in 2024 and 2025 since the 2023 season.

Honestly man Jokic can't win if his best teammates (who aren't even all-nba caliber) can't stay healthy. Imagine Jordan trying to win any rings in the 90's with Pippen missing 2 whole playoffs and potentially a 3rd playoff. MJ wouldn't win anything.

Not sure how the Nuggets can retool in the short term and Jokic doesn't seem like the guy to go to another team in FA.


Jokic's losing with 26 ppg and 8 APG dominance from Murray on multiple playoff runs can't be compared to MJ being unbeatable with Pippen's 15-20 ppg and worst-ever clutch and efficiency - literally zero clutch-time points in some series... And MJ didn't had 3rd scoring options in the starting lineup like Porter

[Norcaliblunt]

Players get hurt.

Amare was out an entire season during Nash’s peak MVP years.

LeBron missed Kyrie and Love in 2015.

KD and Klay went down for GS in 2019.

Old school one. Danny Manning blew out his knee in 95 while playing in Phoenix. I still believe if he doesn’t go down the Suns win the chip that year.

Etc etc etc.

So many big name players legacies altered by teammate injuries.

It’s part of the game.

[StrongLurk]

Players get hurt.

Amare was out an entire season during Nash’s peak MVP years.

LeBron missed Kyrie and Love in 2015.

KD and Klay went down for GS in 2019.

Old school one. Danny Manning blew out his knee in 95 while playing in Phoenix. I still believe if he doesn’t go down the Suns win the chip that year.

Etc etc etc.

So many big name players legacies altered by teammate injuries.

It’s part of the game.

You mentioned one-off occurrences here...Jokic already has TWO whole playoff years without his best teammates, last year Murray was at like 50%, and now gain Murray is not healthy. Imagine Curry playing without Klay for 3 playoff years and then the other year Klay is at 50%.

[Norcaliblunt]

You mentioned one-off occurrences here...Jokic already has TWO whole playoff years without his best teammates, last year Murray was at like 50%, and now gain Murray is not healthy. Imagine Curry playing without Klay for 3 playoff years and then the other year Klay is at 50%.

Jokic may have had a tad more consistent bad luck with his teammates health, but Klay missing a whole season and never really being quite the same again certainly screwed GS for a while.

KD’s whole Brooklyn run was terrible luck.

KJ was never fully healthy during Barkley years in Phoenix. He had some decent series against Houston but he was past his prime and injury riddled during Barkleys stint there.

Shit think about Kobe’s last years with Dwight, Nash, etc.

Players get hurt bruh.

[Norcaliblunt]

CP3’s bad health cost every team he was on.

Harden doesn’t have a championship because of CP3 going down.

It goes on and on.

[90sgoat]

He's being screwed by the front office.

Maxed out Murray and MPJ, both not worth it. Get dominated physically last playoffs, go out and get Westbrook only.

Jokic should leave. Go to Knicks or something.

[FKAri]

This is true for lots of superstars. The difference is this type of stuff kills the championship windows of small market teams. Giannis is suffering the same fate.

[BarberSchool]

And by ownership not keeping the full roster together to run it back, like Michael Malone said they would at the MF parade.

All that said, we can’t give Jokic another one, can we ?
Gotta give one to the Canadian underwear model Shy Dildo guy.

[StrongLurk]

Jokic's losing with 26 ppg and 8 APG dominance from Murray on multiple playoff runs can't be compared to MJ being unbeatable with Pippen's 15-20 ppg and worst-ever clutch and efficiency - literally zero clutch-time points in some series... And MJ didn't had 3rd scoring options in the starting lineup like Porter

Jordan doesn't win a single ring if Pip is injured and not playing in the playoffs.

It's not debatable.

[StrongLurk]

This is true for lots of superstars. The difference is this type of stuff kills the championship windows of small market teams. Giannis is suffering the same fate.

This is true to some extent, except Giannis himself is the one getting injured and missing playoffs recently. Goat-Jok is always on the court so far.

[FKAri]

This is true to some extent, except Giannis himself is the one getting injured and missing playoffs recently. Goat-Jok is always on the court so far.

Point being winning rings on bum franchises that aren't even trying to win is worth so much more than doing it on Lakers/Celtics. Bucks and Nuggets aren't even mid market teams like Bulls/Mavs. They're bottom of the barrel franchises that will be back to being perennial lottery teams once their franchise star declines/leaves/retires.

[3ba11]

Jamal Murray was out in 2021 playoffs.

Murray and MPJ out 2022 playoffs.

Murray completely hobbled in 2024 playoffs.

And now Murray AGAIN is injured and may not be healthy for the regular season.

Jokic's supporting cast of role players has also decreased in quality in 2024 and 2025 since the 2023 season.

Honestly man Jokic can't win if his best teammates (who aren't even all-nba caliber) can't stay healthy. Imagine Jordan trying to win any rings in the 90's with Pippen missing 2 whole playoffs and potentially a 3rd playoff. MJ wouldn't win anything.

Not sure how the Nuggets can retool in the short term and Jokic doesn't seem like the guy to go to another team in FA.


I like the idea of Murray resting up for playoffs... This is perfect for Denver.. Btw, OKC has zero chance to get out of the West because 2 good ball movement teams exist (GSW, DEN), while superior ball-dominators exist with Luka (who beat SGA last year)... OKC is entirely overrated

And Pippen averaged 17 on 41% for the entire 96-98' Playoffs with record-low shooting splits, so Jordan won with nothing and the biggest bricklayer/lane-clogger ever

[hold this L]

Murray's fat ass needs to be given an ultimatum. Either stay in top physical shape or get shipped by Feb in 2026.

[tontoz]

Murray's fat ass needs to be given an ultimatum. Either stay in top physical shape or get shipped by Feb in 2026.

With that contract he isn't going anywhere. His extension starts next season at $50 million.

[999Guy]

Denver had shit scouting, drafting, coaching and FA signings since 2017 except for Bruce Brown and Milsap's deals.
Disastrous FA losses like Hartenstein, KCP, Brown, Morris.

Horrible contracts with Murray and MPJ. Terrible scouting getting offense-only chuckers like Bones Hyland, MPJ, JaMychal Green, Jeff Green, Bryn Forbes, Austin Rivers, Bol Bol. None of those guys want to do anything in basketball except shoot.

Scrubs like Campazzo, James Ennis, PJDozier, Cancar, Westbrook, Nnaji, DAJ.

Scrub after scrub after scrub.

If you scout properly you can get decent NBA player for vet mins, in second rounds, and in trades. They don't know what the **** talent is.

ANd it's all led up to this. They have zero positive assets except draft picks for future scrubs, Jokic, Braun, and just maybe Aaron Gordon.

Ten years of Jokic on their roster and they've legitimately only drafted 4-5 good NBA players. Murray, Jokic, Harris, Braun and MPJ. And heavily overpaid for two of those guys.

Only peak Kevin Garnett dealt with worse incompetence in the past 25 years of MVPs.

Part of it is Jokic being so content and passive with his destiny however.

[90sgoat]

Murray's fat ass needs to be given an ultimatum. Either stay in top physical shape or get shipped by Feb in 2026.

They should just trade him to a rebuilding team already.

[StrongLurk]

Head coach and GM now fired right before playoffs. Murray still injured.

It's crazy how we might just see 3 out of 5 years of Jokic's historic peak get completely wasted by injuries and bad team ownership.

[RRR3]

Head coach and GM now fired right before playoffs. Murray still injured.

It's crazy how we might just see 3 out of 5 years of Jokic's historic peak get completely wasted by injuries and bad team ownership.
Maybe tubby should play some defense.

[StrongLurk]

MPJ has a grade 2 shoulder sprain :lol

Jokic needs to get out of Denver, one of the best peaks ever is getting wasted.

[Wally450]

Shit happens.

The Celtics would've been the first team to complete an 0-3 comeback if Tatum doesn't get hurt in the opening seconds of the game. Sucks, but injuries happen.

[Meticode]

Health is part of the game. I could do the should've, would've, could've game a few times between the Cavs and Warriors multiple Finals. It doesn't change the outcome and we'll never know.

[BarberSchool]

Porter Jr is a vegan since at least middle school.
Vegans notoriously are more injury prone, and take longer to heal.
It’s because all protein is not equal.
Different proteins have vastly different amino acid profiles.
Tofu and TVP don’t allow the body to do as much androgenic hypertrophy, don’t create as much HGH or collagen synthesis, as diets rich in animal proteins and animal skins do.
Simple.

[StrongLurk]

MPJ again has been injured with a serious shoulder injury and would be out 4-6 weeks if not for the playoffs.

Now Gordon is missing game 7 due to hamstring injury.

Jokic's prime has lasted 5 years now, and literally only one year (2023) did he actually have his core teammates healthy (Murray, MPJ, Gordon).