The insanity continues. The Nuggets just fired Mike Malone.

[Kblaze8855]

Enough credible people are saying it I’m convinced this is true.

[StrongLurk]

Jokic needs to leave Denver. They are getting close to completely throwing away his peak.

[Kblaze8855]

Confirmed by the ultimate Authority of sports truth


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[Wardell Curry]

Last gasp of a GM fearing for their job. I don't even know who that is, but clearly that is the case, lol.

[Wardell Curry]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1909661573842608349


Full clean out: The Denver Nuggets are also firing general manager Calvin Booth, sources tell ESPN. Michael Malone and Booth both out today.


Nope, guess not. Guess the ownership just got tired of everyone.

[Kblaze8855]

Last gasp of a GM fearing for their job. I don't even know who that is, but clearly that is the case, lol.

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[Wardell Curry]

https://www.hostpic.org/images/2504082312090345.jpeg

Well he's fired anyways. I was wrong.

[jayfan]

Insanity is right. Makes no sense. I hate seeing chronic stupidity.

[Neal Romer]

Mike Brown
Taylor Jenkins
Michael Malone

Gone too soon. RIP. (Rest In Process)

[Meticode]

Damn I thought the Grizzlies firing was crazy. You fire the coach who won you a NBA championship two years ago about a week before the playoffs? Did Malone do something really bad that was detrimental against the team? Because how on earth does the front office think this puts Denver in a better position?

[L.Kizzle]

I guess Jokic is officially out of the MVP race.

[Meticode]

Mike Brown
Taylor Jenkins
Michael Malone

Gone too soon. RIP. (Rest In Process)

Don't forget David Blatt in 2016 for the Cavs. The Cavs started the season 30-11 and got fired and replaced by Lue. Obviously, that worked out though.

Don't forget Adrian Griffin last year for the Bucks. Started the season 30-13 (2nd place in the East) and they let him go for Doc Rivers. The finished 49-33 (worse winning percentage after the trade, not even .500) and finished 3rd. What a f*cking catastrophe the Bucks have been since trading for Lillard.

[Neal Romer]

Don't forget David Blatt in 2016 for the Cavs. The Cavs started the season 30-11 and got fired and replaced by Lue. Obviously, that worked out though.

Don't forget Adrian Griffin last year for the Bucks. Started the season 30-13 (2nd place in the East) and they let him go for Doc Rivers. The finished 49-33 (worse winning percentage after the trade) and finished 3rd. What a f*cking catastrophe.

Well I was mainly going with a "this season alone" theme. But I get your point.

[sdot_thadon]

I get it they want to move on but why the hell do you fire your coach a week before the playoffs when you've got arguably the best player in basketball? Similar question for the grizz. Is it really that much of a difference to let the season play out and fire them afterwards?

[Neal Romer]

I get it they want to move on but why the hell do you fire your coach a week before the playoffs when you've got arguably the best player in basketball? Similar question for the grizz. Is it really that much of a difference to let the season play out and fire them afterwards?

The Grizz it made some sense, the players I think were less attached to Jenkins and the thought might have been it would give them a short term jolt, the way coach firings sometimes do.

I dont think thats gonna be the case here. Malone was pretty close with his guys and this feels much more likely to zap their morale than anything else. It's really a stunner. Bewildering.

[RRR3]

They just fired the GM too so it wasn’t him.

[999Guy]

Their scouting has been horrific for years.

Malone did however build a really intricate Jokic-centric offense, that won them a title. And they've overachieved in the playoffs multiple times.

I'm lukewarm on firing Malone.

Booth should be hired just to be fired again. He was so bad he basically got Malone fired. But again, I think they're both shit scouts. Horrible drafting for years.

Malone improved as a coach with time. I'd give him a C+ at worst. B at best. I think he was a B- coach. There are worse coaches out there for sure.

Malone was loved by his guys, but so was Mark Jackson. So it seems worse than it is, assuming they get a better coach of course.

[SouBeachTalents]

It genuinely feels like the league demands perfection from their coach in order to keep their job. Going all the way back to the pandemic, he surpassed all expectations and made the conference finals in the bubble, had his 2nd option miss 2 straight seasons without a real chance to contend, won the championship in lowkey dominating fashion, won 57 games and lost a bitterly close Game 7, and now had his team a half game out of the 3 seed.

If you were to fire him, why would you shellshock your team and do it a week before the playoffs start with a reasonable shot at a deep playoff run? I thought the Grizzlies firing was bizarre, this one is even more perplexing.

[Mask the Embiid]

I get it they want to move on but why the hell do you fire your coach a week before the playoffs when you've got arguably the best player in basketball? Similar question for the grizz. Is it really that much of a difference to let the season play out and fire them afterwards?

Im sure the 4th best player ever can handle it

[Akeem34TheDream]

Grizzlies one was weird. This is just stupid.

[Neal Romer]

Their scouting has been horrific for years.

Malone did however build a really intricate Jokic-centric offense, that won them a title. And they've overachieved in the playoffs multiple times.

I'm lukewarm on firing Malone.

Booth should be hired just to be fired again. He was so bad he basically got Malone fired. But again, I think they're both shit scouts. Horrible drafting for years.

Malone improved as a coach with time. I'd give him a C+ at worst. B at best. I think he was a B- coach. There are worse coaches out there for sure.

Malone was loved by his guys, but so was Mark Jackson. So it seems worse than it is, assuming they get a better coach of course.


Braun is looking like an excellent draft pick. Strawther and Watson are decent, with room to grow. This year's pick Daron Holmes tore his achilles in summer league and missed the season.

Not resigning Bruce Brown and Jeff Green and KCP were clearly salary related decisions, very possibly mandated by ownership. Westbrook was brought in at Joker's request.

I meant I dunno what more Calvin Booth was supposed to do. Considering where they already were with player salaries and limited draft assets when he arrived, there wasnt a whole lot of opportunity to maneuver. Im not sure what else they were expecting.

[ArbitraryWater]

What the ****.


Another completely bizarre move.

[Neal Romer]

What I wanna know is if Lebron was at least CONSULTED on these moves.

I know he doesnt play for them, but I still feel that would have been appropriate.

[tontoz]

Wow a week before the playoffs?! W T F

[999Guy]

Braun is looking like an excellent draft pick. Strawther and Watson are decent, with room to grow. This year's pick Daron Holmes tore his achilles in summer league and missed the season.

Not resigning Bruce Brown and Jeff Green and KCP were clearly salary related decisions, very possibly mandated by ownership. Westbrook was brought in at Joker's request.

I meant I dunno what more Calvin Booth was supposed to do. Considering where they already were with player salaries and limited draft assets when he arrived, there wasnt a whole lot of opportunity to maneuver. I'm not sure what else they were expecting.

He would've been able to keep one of KCP and Brown if he hadn't given MPJ a max deal unproven coming off a back surgery that has clearly ended his prime and killed his potential and giving Murray a max extension after last year's disaster playoff run.

Strawther and Watson are terrible. Nearly every lineup with them in it gets killed. Denver has had terrible drafting for years. Terrible FA signings for years. DAJ is not a modern NBA center anymore.

Isaiah Hartenstein, who they misused and dumped in 2022, is and was.

They have, at most, 4 good NBA players. That is the result of years of terrible decision making.

Look at the difference in scouting compared to teams like the Rockets, Thunder, Warriors, Grizzlies.

Memphis has hit on a draft pick once a year for several straight years now. To the point where they get rid of a good guy like Brooks because the competition is so high off the bench and it doesn't even hurt them.

This has been a long time coming for Denver. They had about 3 generations of no-defense, no passing shot chcukers surrounding Jokic.

Dating back to Jameer Nelson, Wilson chandler, into Will Barton and MPJ, then Bryn Forbes, Austin Rivers and Bones Hyland.

Even Gary Harris was a chucker. But he at least cut hard and play defense. Their scouting is easy to track. They can't see talent in any way except chucking and athleticism.

[Gudo]

Wtf does this achieve at this point?

[Meticode]

Wtf does this achieve at this point?

Obviously the Nuggets are going to win the Finals.

[Proctor]

Should have kept Malone and fired Booth sooner. Booth had been egregiously bad. I agree with the poster above who said re-hire him and then fire him again. He was that bad.

The bench they have put around Jokic after the loss of Bruce Brown, Jeff Green and company has been a joke. The worst bench depth around any superstar I can remember. You can scour the G League and scour 40 year old vets rotting at home and do better and cheaper. Completely unacceptable to squander years of Jokic like that and to make matters even worse this is an amazing year for Gordon who is shooting lights out from 3 in a way that may never happen again.

[Lakers Legend#32]

This clears the path for the Lakers to the Finals.

[HylianNightmare]

0 sense

[Neal Romer]

Should have kept Malone and fired Booth sooner. Booth had been egregiously bad. I agree with the poster above who said re-hire him and then fire him again. He was that bad.

The bench they have put around Jokic after the loss of Bruce Brown, Jeff Green and company has been a joke. The worst bench depth around any superstar I can remember. You can scour the G League and scour 40 year old vets rotting at home and do better and cheaper. Completely unacceptable to squander years of Jokic like that and to make matters even worse this is an amazing year for Gordon who is shooting lights out from 3 in a way that may never happen again.


They brought in Saric which we all thought was a solid move, but he was beyond dog shit to start the season. As soon as they took him out of the rotation they started winning.

It was a reasonable veteran signing to make but he just never performed. They had very little financial room to go after anyone bigger than that.

The Nuggets were a couple bad turnovers and a couple missed Jokic threes in Game 7 last year from going to the conference finals again, and then who knows what happens.

If they go into the playoffs fully healthy this year they're definitely in the mix of contenders. It's hardly as if they've fallen off. The west is just so loaded a modest 4 game losing streak without your second best player can drop you down crazy spots.

I dont see near enough evidence to justify 'hire him back just to fire him again' level stuff.

[tpols]

Kinda makes you realize how fickle relationships can be. One moment everything's on top of the world. Next it's judas time. Nobody's safe. Everything is temporary.

[tpols]

Don't forget David Blatt in 2016 for the Cavs. The Cavs started the season 30-11 and got fired and replaced by Lue. Obviously, that worked out though.

Don't forget Adrian Griffin last year for the Bucks. Started the season 30-13 (2nd place in the East) and they let him go for Doc Rivers. The finished 49-33 (worse winning percentage after the trade, not even .500) and finished 3rd. What a f*cking catastrophe the Bucks have been since trading for Lillard.

That was more Lebron not wanting to run a blatts Princeton all movement offense and getting "his boy" in as a favor. Politics as usual.

[Proctor]

They brought in Saric which we all thought was a solid move, but he was beyond dog shit to start the season. As soon as they took him out of the rotation they started winning.

It was a reasonable veteran signing to make but he just never performed. They had very little financial room to go after anyone bigger than that.

The Nuggets were a couple bad turnovers and a couple missed Jokic threes in Game 7 last year from going to the conference finals again, and then who knows what happens.

If they go into the playoffs fully healthy this year they're definitely in the mix of contenders. It's hardly as if they've fallen off. The west is just so loaded a modest 4 game losing streak without your second best player can drop you down crazy spots.

I dont see near enough evidence to justify 'hire him back just to fire him again' level stuff.
Booth thought he was a pro chess player (think the "lightyears ahead" type of thinking in the GS front office) but with nothing to show for it. He made that obvious when he went to the media and made those idiotic comments/comparisons between Bruce Brown and Peyton Watson.

I agree about Saric, but he could play to half of his potential and still be noticeably better than Strawther and Tyson.

Ultimately my point is if your GM did his job and surveyed all available players via trade, free agents (G League or old vets that can't find a place), and you come back with only Westbrook and a litany of guys who if they weren't in the league anymore nobody would notice, you probably suck at your job. There are so many players out there...look at the Lakers with Jordan Goodwin.

[Nowoco]

What's the latest in the season an NBA team has changed coach and won the chip? Lue?

[jayfan]

Rick Adelman's son takes over.


.

[Axe]

He's a better coach than doc rivers.

[Duffy Pratt]

There must have been something going on between Malone and ownership that we don’t know about. He clearly has a bit of a temper. Since it makes no basketball sense to dump him now, he must have said something that provoked such a ridiculously timed decision.

Or maybe a three game losing streak was the straw that broke this camel’s back?

[Kblaze8855]

Seems there were issues between all three levels and ownership won as you would expect. I read that booth wanted to trade MPJ And ownership was against it and that booth also didn’t like Malone’s rotations because he wasn’t playing the young guys booth, drafted enough. Specifically over Russell Westbrook who Malone and Jokic both want out there.

so was a player, coach, GM and ownership issue and they got rid of the two layers in the middle. Just feels like a dumb time to do it.

[SouBeachTalents]

Seems there were issues between all three levels and ownership won as you would expect. I read that booth wanted to trade MPJ And ownership was against it and that booth also didn’t like Malone’s rotations because he wasn’t playing the young guys booth, drafted enough. Specifically over Russell Westbrook who Malone and Jokic both want out there.

so was a player, coach, GM and ownership issue and they got rid of the two layers in the middle. Just feels like a dumb time to do it.
You might not follow the other leagues as closely, but don't you feel like NBA teams make the dumbest decisions of all the major team sports? Just this year alone from the Luka trade to firing a coach who won a championship 2 years ago a week before the playoffs start, it seems like teams in the other leagues don't quite behave as erratically or recklessly.

[RRR3]

You might not follow the other leagues as closely, but don't you feel like NBA teams make the dumbest decisions of all the major team sports? Just this year alone from the Luka trade to firing a coach who won a championship 2 years ago a week before the playoffs start, it seems like teams in the other leagues don't quite behave as erratically or recklessly.
I've seen MLB teams follow their coaches right before the end of the year, can't remember if I recall one that was a playoff team though.

[bison]

Crazy to think that if Westbrook didn't miss that game winning layup againt Minny, Malone might still have a job.

[ImKobe]

Murray must be really hurt for them to fire the GM and the HC. Another lost season for Nuggets bros.

[John8204]

You might not follow the other leagues as closely, but don't you feel like NBA teams make the dumbest decisions of all the major team sports? Just this year alone from the Luka trade to firing a coach who won a championship 2 years ago a week before the playoffs start, it seems like teams in the other leagues don't quite behave as erratically or recklessly.

Football is worse, Basketball and Hockey the coaches just seem to jump around the league it's plug and play. Football you know success comes from consistency in the leadership position but coaches get fired after one or two bad seasons and the teams get worse and then they get rebuilt and then the coach gets fired for some random reason and the cycle continues.

[FKAri]

JoGM
JoCoach

[RRR3]

JoGM
JoCoach
GMkic

[3ba11]

It's all part of the rigging to get Lebron #5.

So Denver is now out, while the Lakers moved past OKC by getting Luka (Luka > SGA), and the Warriors are super-old.. So that leaves the Lakers with a free trip to the Finals to face Boston, which is what the NBA wants... Carry on and enjoy your fraud.

[Lakers Legend#32]

How the hell did Calvin Booth get a GM job?

[GOBB]

Firing booth and Malone isn’t the issue.

The timing is. Why now? This sends a bad message. You’re pretty much saying this season is a wash. This is where Jokic needs to step up and say something.



How the hell did Calvin Booth get a GM job?

Same way any human being ends up in such a position. By working their way up. What qualifications do you think Calvin Booth lack because you’re instantly thinking of him as an nba player. Which is clouding your judgment. And has zero to do with why he is a GM in the NBA. You can lie and say that’s not it. Then what on earth would there be for you to ask “how the hell”?

[GOBB]

Crazy to think that if Westbrook didn't miss that game winning layup againt Minny, Malone might still have a job.

You really believe this? Hahaha Say you dislike Westbrook without saying you dislike Westbrook.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Joe Mazzulla is now 15th in tenure among NBA coaches. He's in his 3rd year. Yes, I made it Celtics-related.

How dire was the situation internally why they felt they had to fire Malone right now? It is so infinite;y unlikely that whatever interim guy they put in his place is going to lead them to a championship this year and they need to understand that when you have the greatest player of his era you don't want to waste a single season. Denver never had a player his caliber before, got lucky (he was a second round pick, crazy to think about, which means they didn't know he would be this good either or even close) and they will never get a player as great as he is again. Interim coach with 2 or 3 games left in the season will be an assistant that Malone picked who will change nothing, wouldn't want to put in a new offense or defense even if he had the time to make sure the team got it down right and he does not have that time. If Jamal Murray was a 70 game per season player we wouldnt be having this discussion. Windhorst os on tv saying that they were worried the team might start winning and then they couldn't fire him. That's a bit nuts.

[ILLsmak]

https://www.hostpic.org/images/2504082312090345.jpeg

haha

-Smak

[Meticode]

Windhorst os on tv saying that they were worried the team might start winning and then they couldn't fire him. That's a bit nuts.

That's what happened in 2023. He won the championship and they couldn't fire him. If they hadn't won they were going to oust him then.

[Wardell Curry]

NBA front offices are a joke and most of them are clown shows.

There are so many emotional short term decisions made on a yearly basis it's incredible.

People who have put forth the idea that NBA executives & owners are good at their jobs because millions of dollars are at stake and that these are "serious people" should be ashamed of themselves for spreading such bullshit.

These aren't serious people. They're clowns. It's incredible, you wouldn't think so, but they are.

Most NBA owners don't know basketball, have short term vision in mind and etc. This is why they appoint shitty executives who appoint shitty GMs who appoint shitty coaches and down the line it goes.

The problem is most owners don't know basketball, and even the ones that do typically aren't good at their jobs and identifying the right people to run their teams.

[GOBB]

NBA front offices are a joke and most of them are clown shows.

There are so many emotional short term decisions made on a yearly basis it's incredible.

People who have put forth the idea that NBA executives & owners are good at their jobs because millions of dollars are at stake and that these are "serious people" should be ashamed of themselves for spreading such bullshit.

These aren't serious people. They're clowns. It's incredible, you wouldn't think so, but they are.

Most NBA owners don't know basketball, have short term vision in mind and etc. This is why they appoint shitty executives who appoint shitty GMs who appoint shitty coaches and down the line it goes.

The problem is most owners don't know basketball, and even the ones that do typically aren't good at their jobs and identifying the right people to run their teams.

You don’t need to know basketball to be a successful owner. You need to be able to find people who are great at the jobs you employ them to do. So collectively it all comes together. It’s that simple. So yeah the folks you hire need to know basketball at the key roles in a franchise. The relationship of GM/coach is more of a priority than that of an owner knowing hoops. Booth and Malone weren’t on the same page at all. Malone liked his guys and rotations. Booth saw it not working and/or wanted his guys (young players) to play. He probably felt his job was on the line. Malone felt the same to a degree. Who is right? Who is wrong? How does an owner find a resolve between these two who aren’t seeing it the same (per reports). Not sure what else went wrong there.

Sixers forced Hinkie out (I loved his plan) and brought in the Colangelos. They know ball don’t they? One would argue moreso than Hinkie right? Yeah we saw how that flamed out fast.

Mark Cuban seems beloved as an owner and it’s not because he knew so much about basketball.


I do agree a lot of front offices are run like a clown show. And they all copy cat the same strategy hoping it works because it did for one team. Just weird behavior. No innovation. No stepping out the box. Questionable people in position to make decisions. An utter crap show.

[rawimpact]

Funny listening to a 76ers fan talk about front offices and teams copying strategies. How did the sixers novel 'trust the process' strategy work for them the last decade?

The game evolves, must move along with it to a certain degree.

And going back to the OP. Who on earth is going to replace Malone and do as good or better job? That firing IMO was unjustified. I will say, the GM should have gotten canned first and let Malone do his thing. History has shown he has overachieved with the cards he was dealt.

[Real Men Wear Green]

"The Process" would have worked if it was managed by a great talent evaluator. Unfortunately for Philly they drafted busts and studs at a similar rate (and that's counting Simmons as a good pick). They refused to stop taking and turned it into a joke but if it had been Sam Presti or Jerry West running that we would be looking at a dynasty. Although they might not have stayed in the lottery long enough.

[rawimpact]

I dont believe one can really have a young core and win. There has to be a age disparity and it comes down to when they reach peak and the time at which they pursue the long contract. There have been some exceptions like the celtics, but otherwise most who drafted well failed.

Lakers did, Pelicans did, OKC did and so on.

[Real Men Wear Green]

There have been some exceptions like the celtics, but otherwise most who drafted well failed. Off the top of my head, the Curry Warriors drafted Curry, Green, and Thompson. The Duncan Spurs drafted Duncan, Parker, Leonard and Ginobili. The Lakers did get Shaq as a free agent but a large number of their players, highlighted by Kobe Bryant, were their own picks. You need good drafts either to just develop or make deals to get the players you need and normally it's a combination of both. Even a team like the James Heat drafted Wade to get it started.

Most teams "fail" only one champion every year. Enough champions have been built on good drafting to say that it's important.

[GOBB]

Funny listening to a 76ers fan talk about front offices and teams copying strategies. How did the sixers novel 'trust the process' strategy work for them the last decade?

The game evolves, must move along with it to a certain degree.

And going back to the OP. Who on earth is going to replace Malone and do as good or better job? That firing IMO was unjustified. I will say, the GM should have gotten canned first and let Malone do his thing. History has shown he has overachieved with the cards he was dealt.

It’s more funnier that fans seem to think the Process is still ongoing. The Process ended when Hinkie was forced out by the Colangelos which reverted the franchise BACK to the same tired ass strategy every team copies. What Hinkie did and what his plan was? It was unprecedented. It was something fresh, something new. The same tired strategy of overpaying free agency killing cap space. Then deciding to get rid of said bad contract for pennies on the dollars. Trading away draft capital for a quick splash. Then said splash doesn’t pan out and you trade them for pennies on the dollar. And lack draft capital to replenish the bad decision. Rinse and repeat. Heck the sixers literally overpaid Paul George. And you want to bet could be traded before next deadline or next summer?


Hinkie plan was incomplete. But I was onboard becuase it didn’t follow the tired status quo that teams do. But the game evolved according to you lol Let me know when and where. Hinkie unlike most front offices was blunt, upfront and honest. He said the plan was to draft top of the lottery in hope your hit a home run or two (franchise player). You look at the franchise players across the NBA? Where did they come from in the draft? At the top. Common sense. Second he wanted to create cap flexibility by not overpaying free agents only to trade them one year after signing them. He wanted to stockpile assets along with having future assets as it gave them options.

The first thing the sixers did when forcing Hinkie out was trade for Fultz giving up assets to a divisional rival. The next thing is give Al Horford $100mil over 4yrs and trade him after year 1 of deal. They literally gave away assets stacked up along with killing cap space overnight. The vision of a “winning” franchise. The moves are well documented. The only player from the process is Embiid. That was a home run. But Hinkie job wasn’t done. So we will never know what he would have done. All speculation. Could his plan have backfired? Could it have just been as bad as they are today? Yes to all the above. But it was a plan was the not ordinary. Not status quo. Intriguing because for years prior to Hinkie? The sixers operated the same way rinse and repeat. The definition of insanity is doing something repeatedly expecting a different result. Go figure.

I would have been fine with the Process going up in flames under Hinkie watch. At least he attempted something new. Been a sixers fan all my life. I know their history longer than a decade of the “process” as some come to know it.

[Real Men Wear Green]

For what it's worth, losing Horford did hurt the Celtics. But Philly offered him twice what the Celtics were putting up. That one stung. Oh well.

[GOBB]

"The Process" would have worked if it was managed by a great talent evaluator. Unfortunately for Philly they drafted busts and studs at a similar rate (and that's counting Simmons as a good pick). They refused to stop taking and turned it into a joke but if it had been Sam Presti or Jerry West running that we would be looking at a dynasty. Although they might not have stayed in the lottery long enough.

Those two are great for sure. And maybe we would be a dynasty today.

it’s hard for anyone to hit home runs when it comes to drafting. I think Sixers finding a franchise player in Embiid was great. Not sure who Hinkie would have taken in the Fultz draft. I know he wouldn’t have traded with Boston that’s for sure. I didn’t mind Hinkie draft selections before his role was diminished and ultimately removed. Would’ve liked to have him seen it thru to really say honestly. I think he was solid. Not bad not great.

[tpols]

Joe Mazzulla is now 15th in tenure among NBA coaches. He's in his 3rd year. Yes, I made it Celtics-related.

How dire was the situation internally why they felt they had to fire Malone right now? It is so infinite;y unlikely that whatever interim guy they put in his place is going to lead them to a championship this year and they need to understand that when you have the greatest player of his era you don't want to waste a single season. Denver never had a player his caliber before, got lucky (he was a second round pick, crazy to think about, which means they didn't know he would be this good either or even close) and they will never get a player as great as he is again. Interim coach with 2 or 3 games left in the season will be an assistant that Malone picked who will change nothing, wouldn't want to put in a new offense or defense even if he had the time to make sure the team got it down right and he does not have that time. If Jamal Murray was a 70 game per season player we wouldnt be having this discussion. Windhorst os on tv saying that they were worried the team might start winning and then they couldn't fire him. That's a bit nuts.





Title winning coaches fired in the past 5 years.


https://i.postimg.cc/NfzYxGBz/Screenshot-20250409-115605-You-Tube.jpg


It's harder to fire African American coaches. The things Doc Rivers has survived would have had most guys whacked 10 times over. Even your previous coach... had to bang management's wife to get fired and even then he still got re-hired shortly after...

[Real Men Wear Green]

Stupid "point." Why other than the sex scandal would Udoka get fired?

[GOBB]

Sam Hinkie drafted in 2014

Embiid, Saric, Jerami Grant. All 3 were damn good picks

Colangelo got rid of Saric and Grant. SMH

[tpols]

Why other than the sex scandal would Udoka get fired?


He wouldn't have. That's the point. He had to do some crazy shit to get axed. These other guys didn't do anything. :lol

What did any of those guys do to get whacked? Literally nothing.

[Real Men Wear Green]

He wouldn't have. That's the point. He had to do some crazy shit to get axed. These other guys didn't do anything. :lol

What did any of those guys do to get whacked? Literally nothing. If there was no other reason to fire him then your"point" is pointless. Moving on.

[bison]

Sad to see the decline in status of NBA head coaches. 30 years ago they were rarely fired or left teams on their own accord. A team would be built to the coach's design, now coaches have to kowtow to young stars at the behest of the front office and they are the first to be scapegoated. The final nail in the coffin was when they made coaches get rid of their Armani suits and started to make them wear those gay tracksuits during games now. Complete emasculation. Chuck Daly and Phil Jackson ROLLING in their graves right now

[Meticode]

You might not follow the other leagues as closely, but don't you feel like NBA teams make the dumbest decisions of all the major team sports? Just this year alone from the Luka trade to firing a coach who won a championship 2 years ago a week before the playoffs start, it seems like teams in the other leagues don't quite behave as erratically or recklessly.

Yes, that's what makes it awesome and entertaining.

[Meticode]

Gone are the days of long tenured coaches. It's a player's league now. If you don't win a championship within 5 years or less (probably even less) you're gone.

Between 2016 and 2024 the Cavs have had six different coaches.

[tpols]

Gone are the days of long tenured coaches. It's a player's league now. If you don't win a championship within 5 years or less (probably even less) you're gone.

Between 2016 and 2024 the Cavs have had six different coaches.

You're gone either way.

The 2019, 2020, 2021, and 2023 championship coaches all got fired relatively shortly after winning.

[Meticode]

You're gone either way.

The 2019, 2020, 2021, and 2023 championship coaches all got fired relatively shortly after winning.

I think it's just happening more and more over the last ten years.

[tpols]

I think it's just happening more and more over the last ten years.

Loyalty is a thing of the past.

There was a song written about it called "These hos ain't loyal".


https://youtu.be/JXRN_LkCa_o?si=00zI06gznQpP_39V

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Loyalty is a thing of the past.

There was a song written about it called "These hos ain't loyal".


https://youtu.be/JXRN_LkCa_o?si=00zI06gznQpP_39V

Domestic Abuse Chris ain't really my jam.

[tpols]

Domestic Abuse Chris ain't really my jam.

Different strokes for different folks I suppose.

[Meticode]

Different strokes for different folks I suppose.

Yep. Some people support women beaters. Others don't.

[SouBeachTalents]

It's still absurd that these guys are getting fired within 2 years of winning titles, but we're in an era of much more parity now. Between 1991-2003 3 different coaches won a championship, you extend that to 1984-2010 and 8 different coaches won a championship. Let's say Cleveland or OKC win this year, that would make 8 different coaches to win a title over the last decade. So the sheer odds of a championship winning coach getting fired is exponentially higher now than it was before, so you can't really compare it to previous eras.

While basketball is the most absurd, this shit does happen in the other sports too.

Doug Pederson won the Super Bowl and was fired 3 years later

Terry Francona broke the Red Sox curse and won 2 World Series and was fired 4 years after his last title. Joe Maddon broke the Cubs curse and was fired 3 years later

Joel Quenneville won 3 Stanley Cups and was fired 4 years after his last title

[tpols]

Yep. Some people support women beaters. Others don't.

Some people know how to separate the art from the person. Your favorite athletes and musicians have likely done worse. You strike me as a metal head or rock guy and those guys were on some real evil ting. :lol

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Some people know how to separate the art from the person. Your favorite athletes and musicians have likely done worse. You strike me as a metal head or rock guy and those guys were on some real evil ting. :lol

It's hypocritical.

[RRR3]

It's hypocritical.
Aren't you a Trumper? Lol he's a literal pedophile, you can't claim to have standards for Chris Brown and then not apply them to others.

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Aren't you a Trumper? Lol he's a literal pedophile, you can't claim to have standards for Chris Brown and then not apply them to others.

Nope. I equally criticize both stupid parties. I never even voted the last 8 years.

[RRR3]

Nope. I equally criticize both stupid parties. I never even voted the last 8 years.
Apologies, but I bet you listen to some artist who's done terrible things, it can be pretty difficult not to if you listen to popular music. I do and freely admit it, it's not like I think they aren't despicable people, but I'm not gonna stop listening to something I enjoy either. I'm not defending Chris Brown, obviously he's a bad person, but I would be pretty hypocritical to criticize him when I listen to John Lennon who did the same thing for instance.

[Meticode]

Apologies, but I bet you listen to some artist who's done terrible things, it can be pretty difficult not to if you listen to popular music. I do and freely admit it, it's not like I think they aren't despicable people, but I'm not gonna stop listening to something I enjoy either.

I bet I do too, but as I said RRR3, if you know it publically versus you don't know there's a difference. It's sort of like people who listen to R. Kelly now. A lot of people give you the side eye if you say that because they're thinking, "Dang, you listen to a rapist of underage girls that peed on their bodies."

[RRR3]

I bet I do too, but as I said RRR3, if you know it publically versus you don't know there's a difference. It's sort of like people who listen to R. Kelly now. A lot of people give you the side eye if you say that because they're thinking, "Dang, you listen to a rapist of underage girls that peed on their bodies."
I honestly wouldn't judge someone if they listen to R. Kelly. I would judge them if they liked him as a human being or defended what he did. Art is art, and while I almost NEVER agree with tpols, he is right that separating the art from the artist is a thing. I'm about as left wing as you can get, but I listen to musicians who love Trump. It's not that their personal views aren't gross to me, but I'm not gonna let them being shitty rob me of music I like. But I also understand not listening to artists who have done bad stuff and/or stuff you personally are opposed to, my friend does that, although I don't have the heart to tell her she listens to a fair amount of people who are at least accused of bad stuff.

[Meticode]

I honestly wouldn't judge someone if they listen to R. Kelly. I would judge them if they liked him as a human being or defended what he did. Art is art, and while I almost NEVER agree with tpols, he is right that separating the art from the artist is a thing. I'm about as left wing as you can get, but I listen to musicians who love Trump. It's not that their personal views aren't gross to me, but I'm not gonna let them being shitty rob me of music I like. But I also understand not listening to artists who have done bad stuff and/or stuff you personally are opposed to, my friend does that, although I don't have the heart to tell her she listens to a fair amount of people who are at least accused of bad stuff.

Well that's where our opinions differ then. I'm not going to directly support someone in anyway if I know they've wrongfully hurt people and especially been convicted of a crime of it. Especially anyone of celebrity status. I'm not going to go out and buy a Ray Rice jersey because I love him as a football player when he beat the shit out his wife in an elevator and dragged her body out of it like she was a dead corpse. Most celebrities don't care about you or I, they're so far removed and detached from what it means to live the life or a lower or middle class person when many of them came from that (assuming that you fall into that category).

[RRR3]

Well that's where our opinions differ then. I'm not going to directly support someone in anyway if I know they've wrongfully hurt people and especially been convicted of a crime of it. Especially anyone of celebrity status. I'm not going to go out and buy a Ray Rice jersey because I love him as a football player when he beat the shit out his wife in an elevator and dragged her body out of it like she was a dead corpse. Most celebrities don't care about you or I, they're so far removed and detached from what it means to live the life or a lower or middle class person when many of them came from that (assuming that you fall into that category).
Oh I do try not to buy stuff from bad people. But listening to something on youtube is different you know.

[imdaman99]

Not that I support coaches getting fired, I do wish Thibs retires soon. Is he good? Sure. Will he get them to the promised land? Nope.

[RRR3]

Not that I support coaches getting fired, I do wish Thibs retires soon. Is he good? Sure. Will he get them to the promised land? Nope.
I like the Knicks roster and I don't love Thibs but do you really think any coach could get them to a ring with teams like Boston and OKC around?

[imdaman99]

I like the Knicks roster and I don't love Thibs but do you really think any coach could get them to a ring with teams like Boston and OKC around?

With this current roster, nope. I don't think so. But that's just me convinced KAT is not a championship type of player. They were better last year, because they could play defense. This year with KAT, it's an impossibility. Not to mention Bridges everyday making me pine for Divicenzo back. I would do a straight up trade for him back for Bridges if I could.

Thibs overplaying the players he loves got them all injured by the 2nd round of the playoffs. He won't change. Knicks brass gotta cut ties but they won't because he's a good coach.

[GOBB]

R Kelly is one of the greatest songwriters of all time. He also wrote classics for legendary artists as well. If you can’t appreciate those things because your mind instantly runs to what he did as a human being? I find that to be strange. I don’t think his songs trigger any heinous emotions that has you wanting to engage in the things he has been accused of. I don’t listen to I believe I can fly and think damn I have a sudden urge to pee on a young girl. I don’t listen to Bump & Grind and suddenly drive to the nearest high school staring at teenage females. I feel it’s a bit much to judge or look at someone funny for listening to R.Kelly music.