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k0kakw0rld
04-10-2025, 02:09 PM
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If i was Spoelstra I would've bench him immediately. Really Herro? :facepalm :biggums:

ralph_i_el
04-10-2025, 03:58 PM
The numbers game might back it up in that situation. If you hit a 3 there and get a stop, then you can shoot for a 2 OR 3, which makes either more likely because the defense has to contend with both options. If I hit the layup, then get a stop, I kind of have to shoot a 3 for the tie, and that makes it easier for the defense to stop. I understand why he did it, especially with the shooting confidence guys like him have.

999Guy
04-10-2025, 04:03 PM
The numbers game might back it up in that situation. If you hit a 3 there and get a stop, then you can shoot for a 2 OR 3, which makes either more likely because the defense has to contend with both options. If I hit the layup, then get a stop, I kind of have to shoot a 3 for the tie, and that makes it easier for the defense to stop. I understand why he did it, especially with the shooting confidence guys like him have.

No. A guaranteed 2 is better than a 40% 3. Especially in a 2 for one situation like that.

-10 BBIQ from Herro.

ImKobe
04-10-2025, 08:11 PM
No. A guaranteed 2 is better than a 40% 3. Especially in a 2 for one situation like that.

-10 BBIQ from Herro.

It's not a bad shot tbh. He takes the two and they get a stop they're gonna need a 3 anyway, and are they gonna get a more open one than that?

Wally450
04-11-2025, 12:01 PM
It's not a bad shot tbh. He takes the two and they get a stop they're gonna need a 3 anyway, and are they gonna get a more open one than that?

Analytics wise, probably not a bad shot. Situational basketball, that's an awful shot especially with a wide open layup available. Make a shot that you know is going to make it a 1 possession game instead of a shot that has sub 40% chance of going in.

Real Men Wear Green
04-11-2025, 12:06 PM
Analytics wise, probably not a bad shot. Situational basketball, that's an awful shot especially with a wide open layup available. Make a shot that you know is going to make it a 1 possession game instead of a shot that has sub 40% chance of going in. For Herro a wide-open unchallenged 3 might even go in over half the time... but the basketball gods smote for making such a silly-looking decision.

tpols
04-11-2025, 12:13 PM
For Herro a wide-open unchallenged 3 might even go in over half the time... but the basketball gods smote for making such a silly-looking decision.

Even if Herro hypothetically shoots > 50% on open 3s, the average points produced on that shot would be 3*.5=1.5 or more which is less than a guaranteed 2. Of course we don't know if it would be guaranteed since OP decided to not give any video, dude chasing him may have had momentum for chase down block. Either way it's soft though. Some of these dudes need a longer leash. Tyler, youre not Steph Curry my boy.

Dbrog
04-11-2025, 12:50 PM
It's not a bad shot tbh. He takes the two and they get a stop they're gonna need a 3 anyway, and are they gonna get a more open one than that?

This is the problem with thinking nowadays. Yes, they would still need a 3 anyway after a layup. IT'S STILL FCKING DUMB because if you miss Herro's 3, you just lose right there and then. At least give your self a chance with a layup!

FKAri
04-11-2025, 01:09 PM
Analytics wise, probably not a bad shot. Situational basketball, that's an awful shot especially with a wide open layup available. Make a shot that you know is going to make it a 1 possession game instead of a shot that has sub 40% chance of going in.
Analytics will give you the best answer for this situation because it's such a simple scenario. It's a wide open layup for Player A with a small chance of getting blocked from behind by player B vs a wide open 3pt by Player A with some forward momentum with a near 0% chance of an offensive rebound. And you're down 5 with the time given.


99% of what is happening can be described by numbers alone. This is exactly where analytics shine. Someone can run the numbers on this and literally give you Poker style odds telling you what play to make.

Real Men Wear Green
04-11-2025, 01:17 PM
That shot was"YOLO" shit really. If he makes it he gets praised for his cajones, he misses and he's a jackass. No doubt that the layup would have been the correct decision but when the guy hits that shot we act like he's a hero. It's really up to Eric Spoelstra to say whether or not Herro should go for that. Hard to imagine Spo liked that shot though.

Axe
04-11-2025, 03:02 PM
Looks like kerr is also to blame for that despite his coaching success since 2015. Was great to watch at first but became dreary later on.

RRR3
04-11-2025, 03:59 PM
You guys probably don't watch the Heat often but Herro legit does this something like this at least once a game. It's not Steph's influence, he's just retarded.

Neal Romer
04-11-2025, 04:15 PM
Analytics will give you the best answer for this situation because it's such a simple scenario. It's a wide open layup for Player A with a small chance of getting blocked from behind by player B vs a wide open 3pt by Player A with some forward momentum with a near 0% chance of an offensive rebound. And you're down 5 with the time given.


99% of what is happening can be described by numbers alone. This is exactly where analytics shine. Someone can run the numbers on this and literally give you Poker style odds telling you what play to make.


Analytics arent even necessary.

Youre down five so you need two baskets minimum. You will not get an easier opportunity to score on any remaining possession than an undefended layup. When that option is in front of you, the correct choice is to take it.

Analytics isnt required to know the probability of making a wide open layup. It's above 90%. Any two point attempt above, what, 65% means youre getting better value than a three attempt. You have a 90%+ chance of getting the instant two points.

He made the wrong choice, nothing further required.

ShawkFactory
04-11-2025, 04:22 PM
Even if Herro hypothetically shoots > 50% on open 3s, the average points produced on that shot would be 3*.5=1.5 or more which is less than a guaranteed 2. Of course we don't know if it would be guaranteed since OP decided to not give any video, dude chasing him may have had momentum for chase down block. Either way it's soft though. Some of these dudes need a longer leash. Tyler, youre not Steph Curry my boy.

I watched it. He was completely in the clear. Defender only looked close because he gathered before the shot

Kblaze8855
04-11-2025, 06:23 PM
Even if Herro hypothetically shoots > 50% on open 3s, the average points produced on that shot would be 3*.5=1.5 or more which is less than a guaranteed 2. Of course we don't know if it would be guaranteed since OP decided to not give any video, dude chasing him may have had momentum for chase down block. Either way it's soft though. Some of these dudes need a longer leash. Tyler, youre not Steph Curry my boy.


It’s even worse in full and not just because of the decision




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Might have been a “Ball don’t lie” situation on top of it. He didn’t deserve those points.

Full Court
04-11-2025, 06:41 PM
By biggest problem with that play was that Herro traveled.

Jasper
04-13-2025, 08:59 PM
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If i was Spoelstra I would've bench him immediately. Really Herro? :facepalm :biggums:

the nba would ok if fans like you would switch to fvck'n soccer