More proof why the MVP is a joke award

[Wardell Curry]

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Look at this shit.

Oh but it was SGA aka FTA that carried the Thunder and made them all better!

Get the **** out of here!

[Meticode]

Let the gate flow through you Wardy.

[Wardell Curry]

The idea that the best player on any given team is the sole reason for their team's victory or sole reason for their team's defeat, GENERALLY SPEAKING, is such an incredibly flawed and toxic way of viewing basketball.

I don't know exactly how this culture got here, I think it was because people were stupid enough to believe MJ won 6 championships on his own or some dumb shit, I'm really not sure.

The NBA MVP specifically is the biggest joke of an award I can think of in pro sports.

[Mask the Embiid]

Somebody get the baby a bottle! Hurry up! or his pacifier!

[Wardell Curry]

Somebody get the baby a bottle!

Joel Embiid has an MVP because of racism.

[Mask the Embiid]

Joel Embiid has an MVP because of racism.

He should of won the previous year. It was a make up MVP.


btw steve nash

[warriorfan]

All awards are dumb and for children.

And to give us something to talk about during the boring grind of the regular season

[k0kakw0rld]

SGA MVP. Cry some more :pimp:

[Wardell Curry]

All awards are dumb and for children

Actual facts.

[Wardell Curry]

SGA MVP. Cry some more :pimp:

sga? FTA*

[GOBB]

Kid is having a mental breakdown before our eyes fellas. And this popcorn is damn good

[ImKobe]

They didn't have Chet for most of the season and Hartenstein missed a lot of games. Despite this they had a historic season with SGA carrying them on offense night after night. They don't need SGA to carry them to beat an undisciplined Grizzlies team at home.

[ShawkFactory]

Damn, why so angry? Shai has had an incredible year. He’s an incredibly dynamic player and no the Thunder would be nowhere near where they are without him. They’d be a scrappy good defensive team without true firepower.

[RRR3]

:roll: Racist OP is furious his white lover won't win another award

[StrongLurk]

MVP is a regular season award.

[ArbitraryWater]

MVPs are hand-out awards. Inclusivity > Quality.

Everyone with brain cells knows Jokic is the most valuable player.

SGA is an all time scorer.

Jokic is an all time player.

[StrongLurk]

MVPs are hand-out awards. Inclusivity > Quality.

Everyone with brain cells knows Jokic is the most valuable player.

SGA is an all time scorer.

Jokic is an all time player.

SGA also averaged 5 rebounds, 6.4 assists, only 2.4 turnovers, and is an all-nba defender. Saying SGA is just a scorer is lame an untrue. It's like saying Michael Jordan was just a scorer.

[k0kakw0rld]

MVPs are hand-out awards. Inclusivity > Quality.

Everyone with brain cells knows Jokic is the most valuable player.

SGA is an all time scorer.

Jokic is an all time player.
It's like saying, Kobe was just an all time scorers and not player. SGA is actually doing things Kobe has never done go figure. 3 consecutive seasons averaging at least 30 ppg, 5 rpg, 5 apg on 50+% FG.


He also averaged 1.0 bpg and 1.7 spg for a guard that's insane.

[hold this L]

They didn't have Chet for most of the season and Hartenstein missed a lot of games. Despite this they had a historic season with SGA carrying them on offense night after night. They don't need SGA to carry them to beat an undisciplined Grizzlies team at home.
JW also missed 13 games. OKC has been missing a lot of their stars and tehy've still won more double digit games than anybody in NBA history.

[Baller234]

It's like saying, Kobe was just an all time scorers and not player. SGA is actually doing things Kobe has never done go figure. 3 consecutive seasons averaging at least 30 ppg, 5 rpg, 5 apg on 50+% FG.


He also averaged 1.0 bpg and 1.7 spg for a guard that's insane.

You can't compare stats from now to the years Kobe played. What we are witnessing today is a totally different game.

All due respect to SGA, he's a great player, but I've yet to see him do anything that Kobe couldn't do.

[Full Court]

OP is just upset that Lebron doesn't have as many MVPs as Jordan despite playing many years longer.



:lebroncry:



And take away Murray, the Nuggets are a lottery team.

[k0kakw0rld]

You can't compare stats from now to the years Kobe played. What we are witnessing today is a totally different game.

All due respect to SGA, he's a great player, but I've yet to see him do anything that Kobe couldn't do.
3 consecutive seasons averaging 30 ppg 5pg 5apg on 50+% FG. Kobe has never done it once.

[Baller234]

3 consecutive seasons averaging 30 ppg 5pg 5apg on 50+% FG. Kobe has never done it once.

Okay so by that logic Wilt averaged 50 and we can shut down the debate for all time.

Your grandmother could put up gaudy numbers too in a league with no defense, no traveling and no carrying. Where open 3's are a dime a dozen.

[k0kakw0rld]

Okay so by that logic Wilt averaged 50 and we can shut down the debate for all time.

Your grandmother could put up gaudy numbers too in a league with no defense, no traveling and no carrying. Where open 3's are a dime a dozen.

Kobe shot 37% and 36% from the field in 2014/2015 and 2015/2016. In the era of no defense, no traveling, no carrying.

[Baller234]

Kobe shot 37% and 36% from the field in 2014/2015 and 2015/2016. In the era of no defense, no traveling, no carrying.

:oldlol::oldlol::oldlol:

First of all Kobe was at the END of his career. Bean was broken down and on his way out.

Second, no... those years were not even remotely similar to what we're witnessing now in terms of style of play or officiating.

[Axe]

Sga will probably win it if team record is gonna be factored in there.

[John8204]

Is this because Jokic is getting knocked out in the first round?

[Meticode]

Sga will probably win it if team record is gonna be factored in there.

He'll easily win it.. He's been ahead in the total points in voting since last week... And the point gap slowly has gotten bigger.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KMzwRcilLDej0BWl7eYE_OYC9Tx9olI_Ptn-nHjKfpQ/edit?usp=drivesdk

[Wardell Curry]

Of course he will win it but he is not the best player in the league.

Any way to try to justify the term "most valuable" as meaning anything other than "best" is just bullshit and it always has been despite voters doing it for decades.

Jordan has 5.
LeBron has 4.
Shaq has 1.
Steph has 2.

The award is a joke and it's been being a joke for decades.

warriorfan put it best... the awards are for children.

Shaquille O'Neal has 1. Just let it sink in. lol.

[Baller234]

Of course he will win it but he is not the best player in the league.

Any way to try to justify the term "most valuable" as meaning anything other than "best" is just bullshit and it always has been despite voters doing it for decades.

It's always been a semantics game.

I do think Jokic is the better player but only because he's proven. SGA is still unproven.

There is something to be said for a guy who can demand the ball, get to his spot, and get a clean shot off. Jokic can do a lot of other things on the court but he is not that guy. His sloppy play and inability to score at will in crunch time hurts the team.

Then you factor in that SGA is the highest scorer in the league AND his team won 68 games? I don't really care for narrative awards either but if we're playing this game then SGA has the best case. Remove him from the equation and OKC is a very beatable team.

[Wardell Curry]

It's always been a semantics game.

I do think Jokic is the better player but only because he's proven. SGA is still unproven.

There is something to be said for a guy who can demand the ball, get to his spot, and get a clean shot off. Jokic can do a lot of other things on the court but he is not that guy. His sloppy play and inability to score at will in crunch time hurts the team.

Then you factor in that SGA is the highest scorer in the league AND his team won 68 games? I don't really care for narrative awards either but if we're playing this game then SGA has the best case. Remove him from the equation and OKC is a very beatable team.

SGA has had a fantastic season. He will win the award and during maybe half of years in league history his numbers and defense are good enough to be the best player in the league. He just happened upon an all timer at his peak.

OKC is beatable anyways and will fall in the Finals to Boston at the absolute latest though I don't think they make it out of the West.

You remove FTA from OKC and they are still a playoff team and possibly a second round playoff team at that.

You remove Joker from DEN and they are out of the playoffs entirely.

Not only is Joker a better overall player but he's more valuable relative to his own personal team as well.

There is no real argument for FTA other than team record.

And yes we play to win but teams win games, not individuals. No matter how good you are, you aren't winning a title alone nor are you winning 60 games alone unless your name is LeBron James. Just kidding.

[3ba11]

All awards are dumb and for children.

And to give us something to talk about during the boring grind of the regular season


Agreed... In the 90's, fans were unaware of most media awards like All-NBA for example. It was just something that a few dozen journalists were aware of - it meant nothing back then and All-NBA was a ceremonial award given mostly for name recognition or winning.. It was never something that was talked about or even mentioned. There was no show to reveal the "finalists" as if it mattered or meant anything. It was just ceremonial awards given by the media and no one knew about it or cared

[Baller234]

SGA has had a fantastic season. He will win the award and during maybe half of years in league history his numbers and defense are good enough to be the best player in the league. He just happened upon an all timer at his peak.

OKC is beatable anyways and will fall in the Finals to Boston at the absolute latest though I don't think they make it out of the West.

You remove FTA from OKC and they are still a playoff team and possibly a second round playoff team at that.

You remove Joker from DEN and they are out of the playoffs entirely.

Not only is Joker a better overall player but he's more valuable relative to his own personal team as well.

There is no real argument for FTA other than team record.

And yes we play to win but teams win games, not individuals. No matter how good you are, you aren't winning a title alone nor are you winning 60 games alone unless your name is LeBron James. Just kidding.

We have no idea how good OKC would be without SGA. I don't think they would be all that great.

I guess the ultimate way to measure it is if Jokic and SGA switched teams, what changes. But even then we're playing imaginary what-ifs.

[Baller234]

Agreed... In the 90's, fans were unaware of most media awards like All-NBA for example. It was just something that a few dozen journalists were aware of - it meant nothing back then and All-NBA was a ceremonial award given mostly for name recognition or winning.. It was never something that was talked about or even mentioned. There was no show to reveal the "finalists" as if it mattered or meant anything. It was just ceremonial awards given by the media and no one knew about it or cared

Personally I would get rid of MVP and just keep it to All-NBA.

1st team would just be the top 5 guys who had the best season regardless of position. Then 2nd team would be the next 5.

In fact I might even be open to having five 1st teamers and seven 2nd teamers.

[3ba11]

Personally I would get rid of MVP and just keep it to All-NBA.

1st team would just be the top 5 guys who had the best season regardless of position. Then 2nd team would be the next 5.

In fact I might even be open to having five 1st teamers and seven 2nd teamers.


The key is to have a respected panel of basketball people voting on it like Pat Riley, Popovich, Jerry West, Bill Russell, etc.. rip West and Russell...

Otoh, the whole problem is that Rachel Nichols and Skip Bayless decide who the best players are - that's absurd, and that's why the awards are meaningless.. they're literally "media awards" and mean nothing.. they're for kids

[Wardell Curry]

The key is to have a respected panel of basketball people voting on it like Pat Riley, Popovich, Jerry West, Bill Russell, etc.. rip West and Russell...

Otoh, the whole problem is that Rachel Nichols and Skip Bayless decide who the best players are - that's absurd, and that's why the awards are meaningless.. they're literally "media awards" and mean nothing.. they're for kids

Some of the greatest basketball players ever are shit evaluators of talent and understanding the impact of other players. This is a big reason why so many ex NBA players fail as GMs.

They should just remove all the individual accolades entirely because no matter who you put it in the hands of, objective truth will always get ****ed up.