Is Joe Mazzulla the most insane coach?

[AirBonner]

Joe on Porzingis: “I like watching him bleed on the court. I think that’s important.”
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[Neal Romer]

Joe on Porzingis: “I like watching him bleed on the court. I think that’s important.”
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Lmao I saw that and thought the same.

Apparently too when Tatum went down in Game 1 Mazzulla cut off a trainer who was heading onto the floor, and Mazzulla yelled at Tatum to "Get up!"

Interesting mindset.

[warriorfan]

Half he’s overdoing the in the 90’s we were tougher mindset and he’s half being a good coach. Overall I like it though.

[Akeem34TheDream]

I'll allow it

[BarberSchool]

Udoka def crazier than Mazulla, he just doesn’t show it as much willingly.

Quinn Snyder for sure too, just tries to hide it, along with his habit he supposedly kicked.

Digging back in the archives, Isaiah Thomas def more insane than Mazulla as well, but in a different way, not violently insane, but more insane nonetheless.

Mazulla is just a good combo of intensity, autism, and open/brutal honesty.

[Meticode]

Mazzula in the huddle with his team:

https://media.tenor.com/XfZatp4hBx8AAAAM/do-you-bleed-do-you-bleed-batman-vs-superman.gif

[ralph_i_el]

I bet more than a few coaches feel that way, but just aren't as honest as Mazzulla.

[Wally450]

Dude didn't let the medical staff go to Tatum when he hurt his wrist. I understand waiting a few seconds doesn't change anything, but that's certifiably insane. :lol

[ImKobe]

He's a psycho. Shame he's on the Celtics though.

[bdonovan]

He strikes me as someone who thinks they can say anything AFTER they succeed.

Like every thought of theirs is genius because they won a ring (same thing happens with successful entrepreneurs; one of which has been a very public example).

Mazzula yelling at his own player to get up and delay medical attention after getting seriously injured just shows this guy is trying to project a "tough guy" persona that will ulitimately be detrimental to this team, whatever it does for his image.

I wonder if Tatum playing through that injury will worsen the recovery.

[fsvr54]

He's way more intelligent than I thought he was, after listening to his interview after the title-win last season. Up there with Spo and Daigneault...although I disagree with the spam 3s approach to the game.

[red1]

dudes a winner. celtics have good coaching this decade between him and ime.

[bdonovan]

dudes a winner. celtics have good coaching this decade between him and ime.

How did he win though? The Celtics got to the Finals the prior year. Udoka ushered in the turn around where they went from a 50-50 team the first half the year before, into a juggernaut that were only stopped by the Warriors. Mazzula inherited a winning team.

Udoka has done a tremendous job with the Rockets- given the talent they've got.

[rawimpact]

Dude is weird. I'm not sure if it's an attention thing the way he responds to fairly straight forward questions with the media.

[Real Men Wear Green]

How did he win though? If winning a championship isn't winning then nothing fits your definition of winning. No coach is going to win a championship without a great team. Winning the championship is how the team established itself as being great. If you have to twist yourself into knots to criticize what a guy is doing the criticism is unlikely to be valid. He doesn't have to prove himself to be better than Udoka to be a great coach in his own right.

[jayfan]

I figured this thread was about him letting the clock wind down without fouling last night. I was going to correct the thread title by replacing insane with inept. (or in on a fix).

[Meticode]

If winning a championship isn't winning then nothing fits your definition of winning. No coach is going to win a championship without a great team. Winning the championship is how the team established itself as being great. If you have to twist yourself into knots to criticize what a guy is doing the criticism is unlikely to be valid. He doesn't have to prove himself to be better than Udoka to be a great coach in his own right.

I don't agree with his take.

It'd be like saying Tyronn Lue wasn't a good coach for the 2016 Cavs Championship because he inherited a similar situation. David Blatt was head coach the previous season and went to the Finals, then got fired halfway through the 15-16 season with a winning record for Lue to take over.

I could understand this take if the team underperformed the next season, but they're still favorites to come out of the East.

[Meticode]

I figured this thread was about him letting the clock wind down without fouling last night. I was going to correct the thread title by replacing insane with inept. (or in on a fix).

It was mentioned in the game thread on the last page. The Celtics should've had at least a half a second more on the clock than they did. The officials didn't even look at the monitors to check the clock. They just huddled together and went, "0.3 is right? Looks good to me." when on replay it clearly shows Tatum rebounded the ball with at least 1.4 or 1.5 seconds left and Horford is calling timeout at 0.9.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?521298-(2)-Celtics-vs-(7)-Magic-First-Round-Playoff-Series-Thread/page3

[jayfan]

It was mentioned in the game thread on the last page. The Celtics should've had at least a half a second more on the clock than they did. The officials didn't even look at the monitors to check the clock. They just huddled together and went, "0.3 is right? Looks good to me." when on replay it clearly shows Tatum rebounded the ball with at least 1.4 or 1.5 seconds left and Horford is calling timeout at 0.9.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?521298-(2)-Celtics-vs-(7)-Magic-First-Round-Playoff-Series-Thread/page3


I don't care if 2.5 should have been on the clock. It's absurd coaching to allow Orlando to just drain the clock down to 3 seconds before attempting a shot while up by 2. He basically said 'F it, let them have the game.'

[Real Men Wear Green]

I don't care if 2.5 should have been on the clock. It was unthinkable coaching to allow Orlando to just kill the clock. He basically said 'F it, let them have the game.'
No, he preferred 2 to tie/3 to win with a short clock to a must-make 3 with a longer clock (where the Magic could foul to prevent that 3). Different opinions here can both be valid.

[jayfan]

No, he preferred 2 to tie/3 to win with a short clock to a must-make 3 with a longer clock (where the Magic could foul to prevent that 3). Different opinions here can both be valid.

Hold on. Lets not act like there were only 7 seconds left in the game. There were 27 seconds left when Orlando started it's possession. Do you know how much stuff can happen in 27 seconds? Did you not see the Pistons/Knicks game?

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[Neal Romer]

I figured this thread was about him letting the clock wind down without fouling last night. I was going to correct the thread title by replacing insane with inept. (or in on a fix).

I honestly havent been impressed with much of anything he's done. I think they won last year with a combination of talent and a favorable road through the playoffs. There was never a point where you thought a particular game plan or mentality or adjustment got them a win. They just had more talent than the teams they faced. Through three games with Orlando this year it's been similar. They dont feel like a team that plays great basketball or makes high IQ decisions, they just skate on having insane three point shooting depth. If they actually had some kind of coherent offensive playbook they could be an even better team.

I'm watching Cleveland play right now and they just clearly play much better basketball than the Celtics. It may not be enough in a series if the Celtics are shooting the ball well, but the passing, the movement, the offensive purpose are all far higher on Cleveland and a number of other teams than they are on the Celtics.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Hold on. Lets not act like there were only 7 seconds left in the game. There were 27 seconds left when Orlando started it's possession. Do you know how much stuff can happen in 27 seconds? Did you not see the Pistons/Knicks game?

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What's most likely to happen if they foul is either a must-make 3 or a free throw contest where the Celtics start out behind. Mazzulla was given a choice, get a basket to win or tie with a short clock or hope the Magic miss free throws with the ramifications being if they (most likely) hit the free throws they have to make a three and Orlando may well foul to prevent the three or if they get lucky and orlando misses they still have to make a basket. The analysis that Mazzulla doomed them is incorrect. Unfortunately the Celtics got hurt on the clock with the timeout.

[jayfan]

What's most likely to happen if they foul is either a must-make 3 or a free throw contest where the Celtics start out behind. Mazzulla was given a choice, get a basket to win or tie with a short clock or hope the Magic miss free throws with the ramifications being if they (most likely) hit the free throws they have to make a three and Orlando may well foul to prevent the three or if they get lucky and orlando misses they still have to make a basket. The analysis that Mazzulla doomed them is incorrect. Unfortunately the Celtics got hurt on the clock with the timeout.


It absolutely is correct. If Wagner was smart, he would have 'shot' a high-arching moon ball at the shot-clock buzzer and time would have expired altogether. There is no defending Mazzulla's handling of that situation.

[Real Men Wear Green]

It absolutely is correct. If Wagner was smart, he would have 'shot' a high-arching moon ball and time would have expired altogether. There is no defending Mazzulla's handling of that situation.

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.If the timeout was granted when Horford called for it the Cs have over a second to get a shot off, which would be enough time to catch and shoot. The "possibility" that Wagner throws the ball up really high doesn't much matter but FYI if he had fired an airball a 24-second violation gives Boston the ball with over 2 seconds.

[jayfan]

If the timeout was granted when Horford called for it the Cs have over a second to get a shot off, which would be enough time to catch and shoot. The "possibility" that Wagner throws the ball up really high doesn't much matter but FYI if he had fired an airball a 24-second violation gives Boston the ball with over 2 seconds.

The game clock does not stop on a shot released before the 24 expires. Only stops once someone takes possession.

[Real Men Wear Green]

The game clock does not stop when a shot is released before the 24 expires. Only stops once someone takes possession.

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Why wouldn't the Celtics call timeout after a violation when they called it after the rebound?

[jayfan]

Why wouldn't the Celtics call timeout after a violation when they called it after the rebound?

You're assuming there's still time on the game clock once Boston secures possession of the ball. I'm saying there wouldn't have been on a moon shot.

[Real Men Wear Green]

You're assuming there's still time on the game clock once Boston secures possession of the ball. I'm saying there wouldn't have been on a moon shot.As soon as the clock is violated it's the Celtics' possession. So unless Wagner is having the ball deported the Celtics would have a chance.

[Neal Romer]

As soon as the clock is violated it's the Celtics' possession. So unless Wagner is having the ball deported the Celtics would have a chance.

The clock is not violated if a shot has already taken place before the buzzer and the shot hits the rim after the buzzer. If the ball is in the air and the clock expires, the outcome of the shot determines a violation. If it hits the rim, the play is not dead.

[Real Men Wear Green]

The clock is not violated if a shot has already taken place before the buzzer and the shot hits the rim after the buzzer. If the ball is in the air and the clock expires, the outcome of the shot determines a violation. If it hits the rim, the play is not dead.
We are discussing the highly unlikely example of Wagner shooting a "moonball." If Wagner is going to shoot a shot that isn't his normal style with the goal of the ball staying in the air for as long as possible he is definitely risking an airball.

[Neal Romer]

We are discussing the highly unlikely example of Wagner shooting a "moonball." If Wagner is going to shoot a shot that isn't his normal style with the goal of the ball staying in the air for as long as possible he is definitely risking an airball.


Well. In most cases I would say that's still not all that high risk. But it is Wagner... so fair point :lol