MJ did more in 11 full Chicago Bulls seasons than LBJ (22 yrs) & KD (17 yrs) combined

[Drygon]

Michael Jordan in 11 full seasons with Chicago Bulls:

- 6 Rings
- 5 MVPs
- 6 Finals MVPs
- 10x Scoring Champ
- 9x All-Defensive 1st Team
- DPOY

LeBron James (22 NBA seasons) & Kevin Durant (17 NBA seasons) combined:

- 6 Rings
- 5 MVPs
- 6 Finals MVPs
- 5x Scoring Champ
- 5x All-Defensive 1st Team

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[Im so nba'd out]

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[MrFonzworth]

Weak era

[Im so nba'd out]

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[SouBeachTalents]

We done with the 90’s

[ShawkFactory]

Well yea..they had to deal with each other.

[RRR3]

Well yea..they had to deal with each other.
Oooooooof /thread

[3ba11]

Well yea..they had to deal with each other.


Lebron didn't have to deal with Wade, Luka, AD, or Kyrie, while MJ dealt with Magic, Bird, Isiah, whoever.. Lebron teamed up with opposing 1st options and franchise players, while MJ didn't, so you fell for a fraud... Full stop..., Horrible post and self-own by you - Lebron literally teamed up with his opponents, while MJ simply beat them and didn't need franchise players at 2nd and 3rd option like Lebron did.

[SouBeachTalents]

Lebron didn't have to deal with Wade, Luka, AD, or Kyrie, while MJ dealt with Magic, Bird, Isiah, whoever.. Lebron teamed up with opposing 1st options and franchise players, while MJ didn't, so you fell for a fraud... Full stop..., Horrible post and self-own by you - Lebron literally teamed up with his opponents, while MJ simply beat them and didn't need franchise players at 2nd and 3rd option like Lebron did.
And Jordan got destroyed by those guys, he went 1-5 against Bird & Isiah, and only beat an HIV riddled version of Magic with Pippen outscoring him.

Jordan didn't win shit until all those legit dynastic level teams fell off, and he took advantage of an incredibly weak era.

[3ba11]

And Jordan got destroyed by those guys, he went 1-5 against Bird & Isiah, and only beat an HIV riddled version of Magic with Pippen outscoring him.

Jordan didn't win shit until all those legit dynastic level teams fell off, and he took advantage of an incredibly weak era.


The bulls weren't a super-team of multiple star teammates like every other dynasty, so you're just lying at this point about public information.. Jordan never had dynasty help but still produced a dynasty.

Secondly, MJ was basically undefeated the instant he got 1 all-star, while Lebron is a perennial loser with 2 all-stars and regardless of cast, coach or team...

Thirdly, we know that MJ won with less because the Celtics and Lakers needed stacked super-teams to barely hang with the Bad Boys, while the Bad Boys were a JOKE and record sweep victory for jordan with just 1 other star.

[RRR3]

The bulls weren't a super-team of multiple star teammates like every other dynasty, so you're just lying at this point about public information.. Jordan never had dynasty help but still produced a dynasty.

Secondly, MJ was basically undefeated the instant he got 1 all-star, while Lebron is a perennial loser with 2 all-stars and regardless of cast, coach or team...

Thirdly, we know that MJ won with less because the Celtics and Lakers needed stacked super-teams to barely hang with the Bad Boys, while the Bad Boys were a JOKE and record sweep victory for jordan with just 1 other star.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[3ba11]

:roll: :roll: :roll:


Horace Grant wasn't a star, which means you're simply lying about public record and common knowledge.

So the point stands.. MJ three-peated from 91' to 93' without a super-team of multiple star teammates.

Furthermore, Rodman was like 2010 Shaq and wasn't the starter for the 98' Playoffs, while averaging 3/8 for the 97' Playoffs... He wasn't an all-star for any season of the 3-peat and wasn't All-defense in 97' or 98'... And again, he wasn't even the starter in the 98' Playoffs and was 36 years old - he was nowhere near 2010 Shaq.

The 2nd three-peat was 3 on 5, due to Rodman's lack of scoring and Pippen's 17 on 41% for the entire 96-98' Playoffs (with worst-ever efficiency),... Again, MJ had the only dynasty that wasn't a super-team of multiple star teammates.

[StrongLurk]

Best individual peak combined with playing on the best teams during the weakest decade in the 3-point era (90's).

With that being said, the Bulls could've pretty easily lost one or two finals if MJ and his teammates weren't so freaking clutch. MJ himself hit big shots, but the role players come through all the time too.

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[3ba11]

many misperceptions itt

[3ba11]

Best individual peak combined with playing on the best teams during the weakest decade in the 3-point era (90's).

With that being said, the Bulls could've pretty easily lost one or two finals if MJ and his teammates weren't so freaking clutch. MJ himself hit big shots, but the role players come through all the time too.


1) It's been confirmed that the 90's was tougher than today's era by comparing the best American players today (Tatum, Ant, Ja) to the 90's (MJ, Shaq, Robinson, Barkley, Malone, Ewing) to see that the 90's were much tougher due to far better American players (which is more important than having better international players).

2) The Bulls' cast had the worst clutch stats ever BY FAR, and it isn't remotely close - they didn't have a single clutch player or even a non-system scorer in the starting lineup until Kukoc started in the 98' Playoffs... Old Jordan averaged 3.6 ppg on 48% in clutch-time for the 97' and 98' Playoffs, while Lebron averaged 3.0 on 40% for his playoff career - this means that Jordan had 20% greater clutch burden on vastly better efficiency, while Lebron had teammates that were goat "closers" like Wade, Kyrie, Luka, and AD dominating Jokic... Lebron simply had "jordans" as teammates to close for him and "take over", while MJ went 1 on 5 and faced max defensive attention (carried scoring load on championship level)

[Nowoco]

The 90s being a weak era is one of those lies that's been told so many times that it becomes the truth. This is where people say "it was the watered down expansion era". Tell me how the Grizzlies and the Raptors 1995-98 watered anything down? They didnt have, acquire or draft any stars. That has what exactly to do with the playoffs or the quality of the teams in them? You wanna talk about expansion teams? Remind me how Orlando did in the 90s.

Also, if you want to talk about weak eras. In the 80s the Celtics had these 1st round matchups.

1984 - 35 win Bullets
1985 - 36 win Cavs
1986 - 30 win Bulls
1987 - 40 win Bulls
1988 - 36 win Knicks

That's one tough era where you get a bye into the next round every season.

[3ba11]

The 90s being a weak era is one of those lies that's been told so many times that it becomes the truth. This is where people say "it was the watered down expansion era". Tell me how the Grizzlies and the Raptors 1995-98 watered anything down? They didnt have, acquire or draft any stars. That has what exactly to do with the playoffs or the quality of the teams in them? You wanna talk about expansion teams? Remind me how Orlando did in the 90s.

Also, if you want to talk about weak eras. In the 80s the Celtics had these 1st round matchups.

1984 - 35 win Bullets
1985 - 36 win Cavs
1986 - 30 win Bulls
1987 - 40 win Bulls
1988 - 36 win Knicks

That's one tough era where you get a bye into the next round every season.



1997 EAST



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[SouBeachTalents]

1997 EAST



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The Bulls without Jordan would've been a top 4 seed in that season, crazy.

[RRR3]

The Bulls without Jordan would've been a top 4 seed in that season, crazy.
Top 1. It's been established MJ was only worth 2 wins a year.

[3ba11]

The Bulls without Jordan would've been a top 4 seed in that season, crazy.


The 94' Bulls weren't a real 55 win team and everyone knew the obvious fluke would collapse quickly, which it did.

So Jordan returned to a barely .500 team in 95', which he lifted to 3-peat.. This included Kukoc as the starting PF in the 98' Playoffs... So MJ won with 3 role players at PF, while Lebron needed franchise players and superstars at PF (Love, Bosh, AD, Jamison (https://www.youtube.com/shorts/o9rOMbub6pg)).

[FKAri]

Goes to show how dog shit the competition was. 2nd best player of that decade got a scholarship to play at the University of Houston. It was only when he was already on a flight headed there did he learn what basketball actually was from a pamphlet in the seat pocket in front of him. ***** thought he was going to study polisci and they pulled a fast one on em.

[And1AllDay]

8,000 playoff pts

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