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ILLsmak

04-26-2025, 02:06 PM

Sux that they might see some shit they shouldn't see, and some people's rights will be violated, but it's like if we had ISIS cells in our country. They are focusing on Trens. If weird shit happens, I will comment again haha.

This is a funny line:

The broad definition has already resulted in the apprehension and deportation of more than 200 men to El Salvador who just happened to have tattoos, like gay makeup artist Andry José Hernández Romero.

^ Seems very judgmental.

-Smak

Hey Yo

04-26-2025, 03:13 PM

https://newrepublic.com/post/194442/trump-doj-memo-ice-arrest-search-warrant

It hasn’t even been 5 months and this is what our rights have eroded into.

Our rights?? Why are you worried about ICE busting in your house and arresting you without a warrant?

Lakers Legend#32

04-26-2025, 03:38 PM

Someone tell white Trump supporters that this will screw them over too.

Baller234

04-26-2025, 03:43 PM

https://newrepublic.com/post/194442/trump-doj-memo-ice-arrest-search-warrant

It hasn’t even been 5 months and this is what our rights have eroded into.

OUR rights? Lol.

Woke psychos will fight to the death over the "rights" of a gang affiliated non-citizen who snuck in illegally, but not the rights of the healthy young individuals that didn't wanna get the rushed "Trump" vaccine.

j3lademaster

04-26-2025, 04:57 PM

Our rights?? Why are you worried about ICE busting in your house and arresting you without a warrant?

You’re right, this has no immediate effect on me so I should just ignore it.

https://i.postimg.cc/7Z2kdQDW/IMG-0582.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

I’m sure if this order came under Biden I’m sure you’d have no complaints at all as well and be perfectly happy to have your privacy intruded upon.

Hey Yo

04-26-2025, 07:28 PM

You’re right, this has no immediate effect on me so I should just ignore it.

https://i.postimg.cc/7Z2kdQDW/IMG-0582.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

I’m sure if this order came under Biden I’m sure you’d have no complaints at all as well and be perfectly happy to have your privacy intruded upon.

If someone isn't eluding and hasn't committed a crime, then you should have no worries about your front door getting caved in.

ILLsmak

04-26-2025, 09:50 PM

Like I think the real id stuff kinda sux. So i am not ok with the steps that the govt is taking that steps on rights and privacies. However, if any other country was like yea we are tired of all of the illegal people, so we are rounding them up, nobody would bat an eye.

The issue is that an American could ostensibly have their constitutional rights violated during this stuff. I agree with their option to press charges if it happens, should they want. I think some might be like o well it is for a good cause, but we each get to make that decision. Outside of that, it isn’t a right wing talking point that our constitution doesn’t apply to illegals. If it does, they need to take it to the courts. I don’t believe it does.

It someone is gaining something illegally, how does it make sense? I can buy it for tourists and everything, but yea we should have basic human decency to everyone, legal or not. However, they do not have the same rights that we do. It’s not some shit where you can jump over the border and yell safe.

-Smak

MrFonzworth

04-27-2025, 12:10 AM

If someone isn't eluding and hasn't committed a crime, then you should have no worries about your front door getting caved in.

Are any other Trump supporters on this board gonna cosign this retard? :lol

86Celtics

04-27-2025, 02:34 AM

Our rights?? Why are you worried about ICE busting in your house and arresting you without a warrant?

OUR rights? Lol.

Woke psychos will fight to the death over the "rights" of a gang affiliated non-citizen who snuck in illegally, but not the rights of the healthy young individuals that didn't wanna get the rushed "Trump" vaccine.

You f*cking morons. Delusional c*nts actually believe that this can't happen to them.

It's astounding that no matter what Trump does; be it trample the Constitution, or wreck the economy, these dumb f*cks are fine with it.

RRR3

04-27-2025, 02:38 AM

ZenMaster

04-27-2025, 03:06 AM

Overdrive

04-27-2025, 08:47 AM

If someone isn't eluding and hasn't committed a crime, then you should have no worries about your front door getting caved in.

Look at the fascist states of the past. First it's the rights of some unwanted minority group and piece by piece what "commiting a crime" means gets moved towards the general population in order to keep them under control. I'm baffled how you guys just don't see it what's unfolding here. Maybe you need that because you haven't had a king or dictator before.

Hey Yo

04-27-2025, 09:43 AM

Crossing the border and staying in the U.S illegally is a crime. You don't do that and you'll be OK.

When you plan on crossing, Frenchy?

ILLsmak

04-27-2025, 09:51 AM

Look at the fascist states of the past. First it's the rights of some unwanted minority group and piece by piece what "commiting a crime" means gets moved towards the general population in order to keep them under control. I'm baffled how you guys just don't see it what's unfolding here. Maybe you need that because you haven't had a king or dictator before.

dude it's literally people who if someone knew they were here, they would be removed. It's such a ridiculous comparison to compare them to some group. Compare them to... like Muslims in Michigan or Minnesota. They came here, they might not even be all citizens yet, but they are here by legal means. Some people may say some wild shit about them and terrorism, but nobody is trampling on their rights because the constitution protects them.

This is about GANG MEMBERS that are illegals. Sure, I see how it could extend beyond that, and I definitely err on the side of not affecting any American's rights, but I don't think it's wrong to get these guys out. It will pay dividends, because they will dissuade others from doing the same thing.

It's just not fascist haha. You guys have been using that word + Hitler enough that we are all ready for Trump to declare himself God emperor and start rounding people up. It's in the back of our minds cuz then it'll be like oh shit we didn't see it coming when everyone else did! They were right! But I kinda don't think it's gonna happen haha. Still, this is not that. It's just 100% not.

What we did to the Indians is probably more similar to what this is, and that was way more wack. We don't celebrate it, but nobody acts like our constitution protected them. Chill out. Let's get the gang members out of our country and see what happens.

-Smak

j3lademaster

04-27-2025, 11:10 AM

dude it's literally people who if someone knew they were here, they would be removed. It's such a ridiculous comparison to compare them to some group. Compare them to... like Muslims in Michigan or Minnesota. They came here, they might not even be all citizens yet, but they are here by legal means. Some people may say some wild shit about them and terrorism, but nobody is trampling on their rights because the constitution protects them.

This is about GANG MEMBERS that are illegals. Sure, I see how it could extend beyond that, and I definitely err on the side of not affecting any American's rights, but I don't think it's wrong to get these guys out. It will pay dividends, because they will dissuade others from doing the same thing.

It's just not fascist haha. You guys have been using that word + Hitler enough that we are all ready for Trump to declare himself God emperor and start rounding people up. It's in the back of our minds cuz then it'll be like oh shit we didn't see it coming when everyone else did! They were right! But I kinda don't think it's gonna happen haha. Still, this is not that. It's just 100% not.

What we did to the Indians is probably more similar to what this is, and that was way more wack. We don't celebrate it, but nobody acts like our constitution protected them. Chill out. Let's get the gang members out of our country and see what happens.

-SmakThat’s why we have judges issuing warrants. I don’t have a problem with someone going into a house with a WARRANT and deporting illegals, I have always been an advocate of deportation being done correctly. I have a problem with undertrained officers doing it on a whim based on an anonymous tip with no backing. And it’s directly against the 4th amendment, so it’s literally unconstitutional. Not a debate, that’s objective to anyone who understands the Constitution at all. So yes, it’s fascist since it is impeding on constitutional rights of citizens.

Baller234

04-27-2025, 11:26 AM

You f*cking morons. Delusional c*nts actually believe that this can't happen to them.

It's astounding that no matter what Trump does; be it trample the Constitution, or wreck the economy, these dumb f*cks are fine with it.

I vividly remember you guys telling us you didn't care about the economy when it came to shutting down all the blue states for over a year. Two weeks to slow the curve became two months which then became two years. Trump and the GOP urged democrats to open back up but democrats said go f*ck yourselves we're shutting down for as long as we feel like it.

It's just really, REALLY strange that those of you who were in support of intentionally wrecking the economy are now deeply concerned about the state of the economy.

Isn't it? Isn't it strange?

Overdrive

04-27-2025, 07:28 PM

dude it's literally people who if someone knew they were here, they would be removed. It's such a ridiculous comparison to compare them to some group. Compare them to... like Muslims in Michigan or Minnesota. They came here, they might not even be all citizens yet, but they are here by legal means. Some people may say some wild shit about them and terrorism, but nobody is trampling on their rights because the constitution protects them.

This is about GANG MEMBERS that are illegals. Sure, I see how it could extend beyond that, and I definitely err on the side of not affecting any American's rights, but I don't think it's wrong to get these guys out. It will pay dividends, because they will dissuade others from doing the same thing.

It's just not fascist haha. You guys have been using that word + Hitler enough that we are all ready for Trump to declare himself God emperor and start rounding people up. It's in the back of our minds cuz then it'll be like oh shit we didn't see it coming when everyone else did! They were right! But I kinda don't think it's gonna happen haha. Still, this is not that. It's just 100% not.

What we did to the Indians is probably more similar to what this is, and that was way more wack. We don't celebrate it, but nobody acts like our constitution protected them. Chill out. Let's get the gang members out of our country and see what happens.

-Smak

Never called Trump Hitler. He's a poor man's Franco and not even that. He's too impulsive.

The problem is not who gets targeted. It's the implementation of exceptions from laws. Raids without warrants? Sure only for illegals. It's ok. No harm for US citizens. Next up for wokies. It's ok. No harm for conservatives. Etcetc.

TheMan

04-27-2025, 08:02 PM

RRR3

04-27-2025, 08:03 PM

Gay makeup artists are in the persona non grata list, and rightfully so.
:facepalm

ShawkFactory

04-27-2025, 08:14 PM

I vividly remember you guys telling us you didn't care about the economy when it came to shutting down all the blue states for over a year. Two weeks to slow the curve became two months which then became two years. Trump and the GOP urged democrats to open back up but democrats said go f*ck yourselves we're shutting down for as long as we feel like it.

It's just really, REALLY strange that those of you who were in support of intentionally wrecking the economy are now deeply concerned about the state of the economy.

Isn't it? Isn't it strange?

It IS strange, no doubt. It's also strange that the people who have always ran on the state of the economy now don't care if it's in a weird place cause..."just let him cook".

Both sides on the extreme are hypocrites and neither seem to know it. It's maddening but it'll never change so...fvck it.

ShawkFactory

04-27-2025, 08:18 PM

Gay makeup artists are in the persona non grata list, and rightfully so.

What about gay hair stylists?

j3lademaster

04-27-2025, 09:22 PM

It IS strange, no doubt. It's also strange that the people who have always ran on the state of the economy now don't care if it's in a weird place cause..."just let him cook".

Both sides on the extreme are hypocrites and neither seem to know it. It's maddening but it'll never change so...fvck it.

Can’t keep “both sides’ing” this shit, that only works when you’re engaging someone who’s having a discussion in good faith. This is a huge reason Trump won, left leaning voters are too willing to give benefits of the doubt and criticize their own side; whereas that’s a one way street for the right. In a situation where it’s obviously a fascist order like this, they want to deflect and get a “both sides” out of someone like you. The two sides aren’t alike, one tariffs and craters the economy and passes eo’s to impede on the 4th amendment of US citizens the other… encourages Disney to put lesbians in their movies and allow 5 trans people to play women’s sports. Yes, I guess both can be hypocrites at times but the ramifications are literal night and day.

Ask yourself, if this order came under Biden, how quick would they be to deem him a fascist? And rightfully so. But since it’s Trump look at these people in this very thread trying to deflect or call it “not a big deal, just don’t commit any crimes lol”.

Baller234

04-27-2025, 09:33 PM

Can’t keep “both sides’ing” this shit, that only works when you’re engaging someone who’s having a discussion in good faith. This is a huge reason Trump won, left leaning voters are too willing to give benefits of the doubt and criticize their own side; whereas that’s a one way street for the right. In a situation where it’s obviously a fascist order like this, they want to deflect and get a “both sides” out of someone like you. The two sides aren’t alike, one tariffs and craters the economy and passes eo’s to impede on the 4th amendment of US citizens the other… encourages Disney to put lesbians in their movies and allow 5 trans people to play women’s sports. Yes, I guess both can be hypocrites at times but the ramifications are literal night and day.

Ask yourself, if this order came under Biden, how quick would they be to deem him a fascist? And rightfully so. But since it’s Trump look at these people in this very thread trying to deflect or call it “not a big deal, just don’t commit any crimes lol”.

Lmao, this motherf*cker just insinuated that republican voters would be MAD if Biden had cut through the red tape and started kicking out illegal gang members. :oldlol:

They themselves can't imagine standing for a principle so they project their sheepish loyalty onto others. We support Trump because of his policies. You just support democrats because you're triggered by Trump.

Lets put the shoe on the other foot. Imagine Trump came out tomorrow and said "Hey guys no more border! We're letting everyone in! You hear that El Savador? Mexico? China? Send everyone you have! We have five star hotels and monthly checks waiting for you on the other end!"

I take it you would be jumping for joy???

Baller234

04-27-2025, 10:00 PM

It IS strange, no doubt. It's also strange that the people who have always ran on the state of the economy now don't care if it's in a weird place cause..."just let him cook".

Both sides on the extreme are hypocrites and neither seem to know it. It's maddening but it'll never change so...fvck it.

Uh, no.

We're in this predicament because of democrats.

Democrats f*cked everything up and now the grown ups have to fix it. Drastic action needed to be taken. The stock market is not the central pillar of our economy. It's just temporary.

That's not even remotely the same as forcing people out of work, shutting down businesses, shutting down schools, forcing the government to print trillions of dollars, etc. What Trump is doing with these tariff negotiations is not even remotely in the same realm.

Gas is down, inflation is around the same, groceries are around the same. We're in no worse shape than we were under Brandon. Only now we're actually striving towards something positive.

But please, go find me a single democrat who was crying over the economy back when they insisted we shut the entire world down.

BurningHammer

04-28-2025, 01:09 AM

Uh, no.

We're in this predicament because of democrats.

Democrats f*cked everything up and now the grown ups have to fix it. Drastic action needed to be taken. The stock market is not the central pillar of our economy. It's just temporary.

That's not even remotely the same as forcing people out of work, shutting down businesses, shutting down schools, forcing the government to print trillions of dollars, etc. What Trump is doing with these tariff negotiations is not even remotely in the same realm.

Gas is down, inflation is around the same, groceries are around the same. We're in no worse shape than we were under Brandon. Only now we're actually striving towards something positive.

But please, go find me a single democrat who was crying over the economy back when they insisted we shut the entire world down.

:roll::roll::roll::roll::roll:

ILLsmak

04-28-2025, 08:07 AM

That’s why we have judges issuing warrants. I don’t have a problem with someone going into a house with a WARRANT and deporting illegals, I have always been an advocate of deportation being done correctly. I have a problem with undertrained officers doing it on a whim based on an anonymous tip with no backing. And it’s directly against the 4th amendment, so it’s literally unconstitutional. Not a debate, that’s objective to anyone who understands the Constitution at all. So yes, it’s fascist since it is impeding on constitutional rights of citizens.

I am assuming they have to offer an explanation and a solid defense of their reasoning. There are situations where you can enter without a warrant if it is an emergency.

I don’t think this is just like ya no more warrants. Maybe I am wrong. I dunno. I am honestly sick of people twisting shit cuz sooner or later something will happen and people won’t care cuz it’ll seem like nothing compared to the fascist rounding up of illegals and shipping them to concentration camps. It is so removed from reality, it offends me.

-Smak

Overdrive

04-28-2025, 10:04 AM

I am assuming they have to offer an explanation and a solid defense of their reasoning. There are situations where you can enter without a warrant if it is an emergency.

I don’t think this is just like ya no more warrants. Maybe I am wrong. I dunno. I am honestly sick of people twisting shit cuz sooner or later something will happen and people won’t care cuz it’ll seem like nothing compared to the fascist rounding up of illegals and shipping them to concentration camps. It is so removed from reality, it offends me.

-Smak

These people get sent to a salvadorian gang riddled prison without trial. So the situation is comparable in some way.

Baller234

04-28-2025, 10:17 AM

These people get sent to a salvadorian gang riddled prison without trial. So the situation is comparable in some way.

They're citizens of that country aren't they? They're affiliated with a violent terrorist organization aren't they? Who are we to tell El-Savador they don't have the right to imprison violent gang members who ravaged their country?

Meanwhile you deviants said not a single word when law abiding Americans were sentenced to 20 years for politely following a police escort through the capitol building on Jan 6.

So lets see:

- Violent gang members who aren't citizens... "Awww won't someone think of their civil rights!"

- Flag waving boomers and grannies... "Traitors! Bury them under the jail!"

Fu*k outta here with your bullsh*t. No one is buying it. You're a brainwashed lemming.

Overdrive

04-28-2025, 10:48 AM

They're citizens of that country aren't they? They're affiliated with a violent terrorist organization aren't they? Who are we to tell El-Savador they don't have the right to imprison violent gang members who ravaged their country?

Meanwhile you deviants said not a single word when law abiding Americans were sentenced to 20 years for politely following a police escort through the capitol building on Jan 6.

So lets see:

- Violent gang members who aren't citizens... "Awww won't someone think of their civil rights!"

- Flag waving boomers and grannies... "Traitors! Bury them under the jail!"

Fu*k outta here with your bullsh*t. No one is buying it. You're a brainwashed lemming.

Hahahahahaha. Police escort through the capitol. Did those policemen who were injured stumble during that escort? If it were some blacks doing the Jan 6 raid you guys would call for their execution. Get real you fn hypocrites.

Norcaliblunt

04-28-2025, 11:21 AM

They're citizens of that country aren't they? They're affiliated with a violent terrorist organization aren't they? Who are we to tell El-Savador they don't have the right to imprison violent gang members who ravaged their country?

Meanwhile you deviants said not a single word when law abiding Americans were sentenced to 20 years for politely following a police escort through the capitol building on Jan 6.

So lets see:

- Violent gang members who aren't citizens... "Awww won't someone think of their civil rights!"

- Flag waving boomers and grannies... "Traitors! Bury them under the jail!"

Fu*k outta here with your bullsh*t. No one is buying it. You're a brainwashed lemming.

I think you just proved why this kind of stuff is all bad.

Who defines a gang or terrorist group? Government jerk offs. Gang designations and enhancements shouldn’t even be a thing.

Team sports fans could be labeled gang members if you wanna get really technical. Plenty of them fight, and lots have killed. Harassing the OPs online and in real life daily.

Baller234

04-28-2025, 11:49 AM

I think you just proved why this kind of stuff is all bad.

Who defines a gang or terrorist group? Government jerk offs. Gang designations and enhancements shouldn’t even be a thing.

Team sports fans could be labeled gang members if you wanna get really technical. Plenty of them fight, and lots have killed. Harassing the OPs online and in real life daily.

You need help determining what constitutes a terrorist group?

A violent gang linked to thousands of brutal murders including innocent civilians shouldn't be classified as a terrorist group?

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Norcaliblunt

04-28-2025, 12:01 PM

You need help determining what constitutes a terrorist group?

A violent gang linked to thousands of brutal murders including innocent civilians shouldn't be classified as a terrorist group?

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Pharmaceutical companies are linked to thousands of deaths.

Police agencies are linked to thousands of deaths.

Fans of specific sports teams are linked to destroying cities, harassing opposing fans, fighting, and killing people year after year. Sports team apparel is literally “gang” apparel.

MAGA is linked to people dying. BLM are linked to people dying.

American public schools produce at least 10 mass shooters a year.

Alcohol companies kill millions.

All could be considered terrorists I guess.

Baller234

04-28-2025, 12:08 PM

Pharmaceutical companies are linked to thousands of deaths.

Police agencies are linked to thousands of deaths.

Fans of specific sports teams are linked to destroying cities, harassing opposing fans, fighting, and killing people year after year. Sports team apparel is literally “gang” apparel.

MAGA is linked to people dying. BLM are linked to people dying.

American public schools produce at least 10 mass shooters a year.

Alcohol companies kill millions.

All could be considered terrorists I guess.

I said MS-13 was linked to murders.

Are you equating the brutal murder of an innocent civilian... with the voluntary purchase of a Heineken?

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Norcaliblunt

04-28-2025, 12:20 PM

I said MS-13 was linked to murders.

Are you equating the brutal murder of an innocent civilian... with the voluntary purchase of a Heineken?

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Setting up shop on every city corner to serve addicts a substance that may cause them to kill a mofo is way more threatening to society than MS-13 I’m sorry.

I’ve actually known people who have died from alcohol poisoning, getting hit by a drunk driver, and MURDERED by a drunk person. Two of which were completely involuntary.

Baller234

04-28-2025, 12:28 PM

Setting up shop on every city corner to serve addicts a substance that may cause them to kill a mofo is way more threatening to society than MS-13 I’m sorry.

I’ve actually known people who have died from alcohol poisoning, getting hit by a drunk driver, and MURDERED by a drunk person. Two of which were completely involuntary.

Holy shit. We found someone dumber than 3tard. I think.

Brutally murdering an innocent civilian is exactly the same as serving someone an alcoholic beverage? So what? A bar owner is in exactly the same boat as a violent gang member who murders and terrorizes his community?

I really think your post needs to go in the hall of fame.

:oldlol:

edit:

I was banned for a year over god knows what, but this guy is allowed to defend and condone brutal gang murder.

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

marLeY baLL

04-28-2025, 01:35 PM

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Lakers Legend#32

04-28-2025, 03:52 PM

ICE got Patrick Chewing in his mother's basement without a warrant.

marLeY baLL

04-28-2025, 04:01 PM

yo mer$h

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Overdrive

04-28-2025, 04:03 PM

Holy shit. We found someone dumber than 3tard. I think.

Brutally murdering an innocent civilian is exactly the same as serving someone an alcoholic beverage? So what? A bar owner is in exactly the same boat as a violent gang member who murders and terrorizes his community?

I really think your post needs to go in the hall of fame.

:oldlol:

edit:

I was banned for a year over god knows what, but this guy is allowed to defend and condone brutal gang murder.

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

Abstract thinking isn't for everyone.

Baller234

04-28-2025, 07:47 PM

Abstract thinking isn't for everyone.

There is an all time great movie called 12 Angry Men, it's about a jury on a murder trial.

When they first go into session, the vote is 11 to 1 in favor of guilty. Over the course of the film the 1 guy manages to turn all 11 jurors onto his side of the fence.

Some were more stubborn than others. The ones that were unbiased and had pure hearts were able to be turned using logic and reason, but some of the other jurors in the film are tougher to crack. As you learn more about them it becomes clear they have their own personal and emotional hangups and aren't operating on facts or principle. One of them was a just a flat out ignorant racist and the other one was just angry and emotionally damaged.

But here's the kicker. Those jurors hold out to the very end along with just one other juror, the "smart guy in the room". He is pragmatic and intelligent and he is the hardest to crack, but ultimately he switches his vote after the evidence becomes too overwhelming. Once he joined the other side's rank, they totally crumbled. Without being able to say "See? This guy agrees with me!"... the final juror sunk under the weight of his own logic.

In 2016 Trump was that original juror who had to overcome the odds. Judging from the election, it looks like we are at the point in the movie where the vote is 7 to 5. More and more people are aligning with Team MAGA. Famous athletes, entertainers, influencers, etc. People the left value in terms of driving the culture. Eventually you look to the side of you and all that's left are transgenders.

I wonder who the last holdouts will be.