Lakers lost because Lebron didn't score in 4th + choking foul & TO + huge negative

[3ba11]

Lakers would've won if Lebron doesn't foul Ant or make the bad inbounds pass, or if he scores in the 4th

or if he shoots the same 49% in the 4th that he shot overall instead of 33% in the 4th.. or if he wasn't an enormous negative all year and in this series.

If Lebron did these basic things, the Lakers are on the path to the Finals instead of "needing more help".. They don't need more help - they just need to replace Lebron or get him to retire.. He's horrible.

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completely agreed OP.


like you said - no pip, no chip :cheers::applause:

[Full Court]

Cliff notes for OP:

If Lebron wasn't the biggest choker of all time, the Lakers would have won.

[ImKobe]

Austin Reaves relegated to a spot up shooter next to Bran & Luka Ball - struggled - his FT rate plummeted while 2/3rds of his shots came from the 3PT line because they didn't let him cook.

JJ relying too much on his 2 best players and not benching them and not allowing Reaves to run the show for small stretches in the game was a massive mistake. He thrived in that role all season and could've held the offense down while Lebron and Luka rested for those 4th quarter stretches. It's coaching malpractice and I don't even blame JJ because he would've never been the Lakers' HC if not for Lebron, so he was just following orders.

[ShawkFactory]

Austin Reaves relegated to a spot up shooter next to Bran & Luka Ball - struggled - his FT rate plummeted while 2/3rds of his shots came from the 3PT line because they didn't let him cook.

JJ relying too much on his 2 best players and not benching them and not allowing Reaves to run the show for small stretches in the game was a massive mistake. He thrived in that role all season and could've held the offense down while Lebron and Luka rested for those 4th quarter stretches. It's coaching malpractice and I don't even blame JJ because he would've never been the Lakers' HC if not for Lebron, so he was just following orders.

That what you saw? I suppose it would surprise you that Reaves had the ball more in that series than Lebron did.

Reaves's time of possession was right around what Kawhi, Jaylen Brown, Derrick White, Donovan Mitchell, and Franz Wagner had. Guess he deserves more than that?

[ImKobe]

That what you saw? I suppose it would surprise you that Reaves had the ball more in that series than Lebron did.

Reaves's time of possession was right around what Kawhi, Jaylen Brown, Derrick White, Donovan Mitchell, and Franz Wagner had. Guess he deserves more than that?

In the RS 51% of his shots were 3s, in this series that number went to 64%. His corner 3s went up from 12% to 21% in the POs. His 2PT and FT attempts plummeted.

In the last two games 22 of his 28 FGA came from behind the 3PT line and he had 0 FTA. He had some opportunities to drive and obviously turned the ball over as well but he was definitely used more like a Klay Thompson which I don't think was the right approach. The two road games he wasn't attacking much in the 2nd half it was all Luka/Bran ball with him catching the ball behind the 3PT line. Needed to have the rock more to take pressure off Doncic, especially in Game 4 when they were trapping him and it just turned into Doncic getting the ball to James who swung it to Reaves for corner 3s.

[ShawkFactory]

In the RS 51% of his shots were 3s, in this series that number went to 64%. His corner 3s went up from 12% to 21% in the POs. His 2PT and FT attempts plummeted.

In the last two games 22 of his 28 FGA came from behind the 3PT line and he had 0 FTA. He had some opportunities to drive and obviously turned the ball over as well but he was definitely used more like a Klay Thompson which I don't think was the right approach. The two road games he wasn't attacking much in the 2nd half it was all Luka/Bran ball with him catching the ball behind the 3PT line. Needed to have the rock more to take pressure off Doncic, especially in Game 4 when they were trapping him and it just turned into Doncic getting the ball to James who swung it to Reaves for corner 3s.

He had the ball plenty though, as I've already alluded to. Maybe he just wasn't really able to create offense for himself against that team like he normally could in the RS?

[90sgoat]

The difference between Lebron and Kawhi is stark.

It's true that Kawhi is 33 and Lebron is 40, but no one in their right mind thinks Kawhi has more athleticism than Lebron now and yet Kawhi has been deadly from midrange, 3 point range and in the post this series.

55% from 3-10 feet, 57% from 10-16 feet

Lebron on the other hand?

28% from 3-10 feet, 36% from 10-16 feet

Luka?

48% from 3-10 feet, 44% from 10-16 feet

Lebron can't shoot and that's always been why he hasn't won.

[ArbitraryWater]

choking foul

[ImKobe]

The difference between Lebron and Kawhi is stark.

It's true that Kawhi is 33 and Lebron is 40, but no one in their right mind thinks Kawhi has more athleticism than Lebron now and yet Kawhi has been deadly from midrange, 3 point range and in the post this series.

55% from 3-10 feet, 57% from 10-16 feet

Lebron on the other hand?

28% from 3-10 feet, 36% from 10-16 feet

Luka?

48% from 3-10 feet, 44% from 10-16 feet

Lebron can't shoot and that's always been why he hasn't won.

Kawhi overall is more athletic than Lebron right now if you weigh in his ability to play defense on top of the offense he provides, and he's shown he can play great D down the stretch of games (even on Jokic) and take it to the hoop.

[Full Court]

In the RS 51% of his shots were 3s, in this series that number went to 64%. His corner 3s went up from 12% to 21% in the POs. His 2PT and FT attempts plummeted.

In the last two games 22 of his 28 FGA came from behind the 3PT line and he had 0 FTA. He had some opportunities to drive and obviously turned the ball over as well but he was definitely used more like a Klay Thompson which I don't think was the right approach. The two road games he wasn't attacking much in the 2nd half it was all Luka/Bran ball with him catching the ball behind the 3PT line. Needed to have the rock more to take pressure off Doncic, especially in Game 4 when they were trapping him and it just turned into Doncic getting the ball to James who swung it to Reaves for corner 3s.

To be fair, he was getting all kinds of barely-touched foul calls during the regular season. The refs were letting more contact fly in the playoffs, so that's probably the biggest factor in his free throw numbers going down.

[3ba11]

That what you saw? I suppose it would surprise you that Reaves had the ball more in that series than Lebron did.

Reaves's time of possession was right around what Kawhi, Jaylen Brown, Derrick White, Donovan Mitchell, and Franz Wagner had. Guess he deserves more than that?


4.7 is low and his assisted rate was 57%, which is literally spot-up shooter.. So Kobe was right...

The assisted rate stat is what shows "spot-up shooter' status... Lebron and Luka increase everyone's assisted rate and spot-up role - they turn everyone into spot-up shooter

Btw, anyone with under a 40% career assisted rate is a primary ballhandler (as a point of reference regarding assisted rate).

[ShawkFactory]

4.7 is low and his assisted rate was 57%, which is literally spot-up shooter.. So Kobe was right...

The assisted rate stat is what shows "spot-up shooter' status... Lebron and Luka increase everyone's assisted rate and spot-up role - they turn everyone into spot-up shooter

Btw, anyone with under a 40% career assisted rate is a primary ballhandler (as a point of reference regarding assisted rate).

Higher than Lebrons. Lebrons assisted % was higher too

[3ba11]

Higher than Lebrons. Lebrons assisted % was higher too


Lebron proved that he's a horrific off-ball player by losing in the 1st Round with Luka, while being a massive negative and not scoring for entire 4th quarters.. He was also a massive turnover machine in the clutch despite playing off-ball, so these factors make him the worst off-ball player ever... Lebron's massive negative impact alongside Luka is because Lebron is a ball-dominator that can't play off-ball - this series was a "case in point" that Lebron can't play off-ball and is really bad at it... So once again, I'm right... I'm always right because it's bball 101 that ball-dominators lose, and Lebron is a ball-dominator (the only way he can dominate, play well, or have positive impact).

Carry on

[StrongLurk]

Lebron proved that he's a horrific off-ball player by losing in the 1st Round with Luka, while being a massive negative and not scoring for entire 4th quarters.. He was also a massive turnover machine in the clutch despite playing off-ball, so these factors make him the worst off-ball player ever... Lebron's massive negative impact alongside Luka is because Lebron is a ball-dominator that can't play off-ball - this series was a "case in point" that Lebron can't play off-ball and is really bad at it... So once again, I'm right... I'm always right because it's bball 101 that ball-dominators lose, and Lebron is a ball-dominator (the only way he can dominate, play well, or have positive impact).

Carry on

We've already proven this narrative you are trying to push is a lie buddy. I know all you do is keep lying, but you aren't convincing anybody on here.

Lebron was the most impactful player in the series, with the best advanced stats, low time of possession, and a 60.5% assisted scoring rate. He was also by far the Lakers best defender.

The Lakers clearly didn't lose BECAUSE of Lebron, the Lakers lost because they didn't play any big men and their bench got completely outplayed by the Wolves bench. It's really that simple. Lakers basically tried to win with 5 players in the series vs the 8 Wolves players, plus the Wolves had far more size/athleticism.

Lebron: 25/9/6 with 3.8 stocks, 25.2 PER, 60.1 TS%, .198 WS/48, 9.5 BPM, 23.4 Gamescore, 18.5 Player Impact Estimate

Luka: 30/7/6 with 1.6 stocks, 21.3 PER, 60.8 TS%, .136 WS/48, 5.3 BPM, 21.5 Gamescore, 15.7 Player Impact Estimate

Ant: 27/8/6 with 1.6 stock, 22.6 PER, 53.3 TS%, .213 WS/48, 7.9 BPM, 21.5 Gamescore, 15.9 Player Impact Estimate

[3ba11]

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BIGGEST REASON FOR LOSS IN GAME 4:


[x] Lebron didn't score in the 4th

[ ] Lakers need a center





We've already proven this narrative you are trying to push is a lie buddy. I know all you do is keep lying, but you aren't convincing anybody on here.

Lebron was the most impactful player in the series, with the best advanced stats, low time of possession, and a 60.5% assisted scoring rate. He was also by far the Lakers best defender.

The Lakers clearly didn't lose BECAUSE of Lebron, the Lakers lost because they didn't play any big men and their bench got completely outplayed by the Wolves bench. It's really that simple. Lakers basically tried to win with 5 players in the series vs the 8 Wolves players, plus the Wolves had far more size/athleticism.

Lebron: 25/9/6 with 3.8 stocks, 25.2 PER, 60.1 TS%, .198 WS/48, 9.5 BPM, 23.4 Gamescore, 18.5 Player Impact Estimate

Luka: 30/7/6 with 1.6 stocks, 21.3 PER, 60.8 TS%, .136 WS/48, 5.3 BPM, 21.5 Gamescore, 15.7 Player Impact Estimate

Ant: 27/8/6 with 1.6 stock, 22.6 PER, 53.3 TS%, .213 WS/48, 7.9 BPM, 21.5 Gamescore, 15.9 Player Impact Estimate


Only the 4th quarter matters and teams save their energy for the 4th, but Lebron was horrific when it matters because he isn't good anymore.

And Lebron simply craters teammates - that's the story for 22 years - his skillset makes teammates play below their best, so the stats mean nothing - it's horrible chemistry stats that LOSE every year, regardless of cast.. It's horrible basketball - that's a Lebron team and that's what his stats represent... He needs a miracle to win like teammate bailout, Silver intervening, or AD carrying him in the bubble..

Secondly, a high assisted rate doesn't mean he played well off-ball.

A high assisted rate requires positive plus/minus, otherwise it's losing basketball and bad off-ball ability... Accordingly, Lebron's horrific plus/minus alongside Luka and his inability to produce in the 4th quarter proves that he can't play off-ball.

Lebron's poor off-ball ability (just a ball-dominator) is why knowledgeable fans predicted a horrible fit that will get destroyed in the playoffs.. He's bad at running off screens and the Coach Finch (the T'Wolves coach) said hat Lebron's off-ball play amounts to "finding opportunities to go downhill upon the catch", which is essentially how he always plays - this version of "off-ball" was negative basketball and produced weak effectivness with Luka - it proved that Lebron can't play off-ball and/or produces weak teams that way even if he has a top 3 teammate (the most help in the league).

To summarize, Lebron is bad off-ball, so the Luka/Lebron pairing failed like I predicted.. 2 ball-dominators can't play together because 1 of them must play off-ball and they're bad at it.

Finally, a team can't win if they're star doesn't score in the 4th, so Lebron's worst-ever 4th quarters are the biggest reason for the Lakers losing.. If Lebron scores just a little bit, the Lakers could've been heading to the Finals and no one would say they need more help - this is what was expected... People only start saying "more help" after they lose and massively fail expectation...

Ultimately, you're just coddling Lebron when everyone knows that he isn't good anymore by playing horrifically and choking in the 4th quarter against the Nuggets for 2 playoffs and now the T'Wolves.

[BallsOut]

Lakers would've won if Lebron doesn't foul Ant or make the bad inbounds pass, or if he scores in the 4th

or if he shoots the same 49% in the 4th that he shot overall instead of 33% in the 4th.. or if he wasn't an enormous negative all year and in this series.

If Lebron did these basic things, the Lakers are on the path to the Finals instead of "needing more help".. They don't need more help - they just need to replace Lebron or get him to retire.. He's horrible.

This is why LeBron is not in my top 10. He disappears far too often in the 4th quarter when his team needs him. He has no killer instinct and does not have enough clutch shot ability to win close games.

[StrongLurk]

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BIGGEST REASON FOR LOSS IN GAME 4:


[x] Lebron didn't score in the 4th

[ ] Lakers need a center







^^^ Lebron isn't better than Luka, so Lebron simply craters teammates - that's the story for 22 years - his skillset makes teammates play below their best.

Secondly, a high assisted rate doesn't mean he played well off-ball.

A high assisted rate requires positive plus/minus, otherwise it's losing basketball and bad off-ball ability... Accordingly, Lebron's horrific plus/minus alongside Luka and his inability to produce in the 4th quarter proves that he can't play off-ball.

Lebron's poor off-ball ability (just a ball-dominator) is why knowledgeable fans predicted a horrible fit that will get destroyed in the playoffs.. He's bad at running off screens and the Coach Finch (the T'Wolves coach) said hat Lebron's off-ball play amounts to "finding opportunities to go downhill upon the catch", which is essentially how he always plays - this version of "off-ball" was negative basketball and produced weak effectivness with Luka - it proved that Lebron can't play off-ball and/or produces weak teams that way even if he has a top 3 teammate (the most help in the league).

To summarize, Lebron is bad off-ball, so the Luka/Lebron pairing failed like I predicted.. 2 ball-dominators can't play together because 1 of them must play off-ball and they're bad at it.

Finally, a team can't win if they're star doesn't score in the 4th, so Lebron's worst-ever 4th quarters are the biggest reason for the Lakers losing.. If Lebron scores just a little bit, the Lakers could've been heading to the Finals and no one would say they need more help - this is what was expected... People only start saying "more help" after they lose and massively fail expectation...

Ultimately, you're just coddling Lebron when everyone knows that he isn't good anymore by playing horrifically and choking in the 4th quarter against the Nuggets for 2 playoffs and now the T'Wolves.

Your entire post here is a literal lie, which is all you do. You can SAY Lebron played bad, but in reality he played well and had the most individual impact of any player in the series. This is a fact. Lebron played off-ball almost the entire series and still managed the best impact stats, scored 25ppg on 60.1 TS%, and had a 60% assisted scoring rate. Lebron was also the best defender and had more stocks than Luka/Ant combined.

So my facts trump your lies and false reality :lol

It's hilarious that you say Luka is the first option, yet all you do is talk about Lebron and base the ENTIRE SERIES RESULT on Lebron lol. Seems like deep down you do know he was the best player in the series, otherwise your threads would be about Luka.

[3ba11]

Your entire post here is a literal lie, which is all you do. You can SAY Lebron played bad, but in reality he played well and had the most individual impact of any player in the series. This is a fact. Lebron played off-ball almost the entire series and still managed the best impact stats, scored 25ppg on 60.1 TS%, and had a 60% assisted scoring rate. Lebron was also the best defender and had more stocks than Luka/Ant combined.

So my facts trump your lies and false reality :lol

It's hilarious that you say Luka is the first option, yet all you do is talk about Lebron and base the ENTIRE SERIES RESULT on Lebron lol. Seems like deep down you do know he was the best player in the series, otherwise your threads would be about Luka.



Lebron was the biggest negative on the team, so you're just lying - the Lakers lost massively with him on the floor and he had the worst 4th quarter stats - it's impossible to win if your star has 0 points in the 4th and has 2 critical turnovers (foul on Ant and the inbounds pass).

So Lebron is the reason they lost and he was a stat-padding joke... He literally sacrificed victory for stats - he does this automatically by stepping on an NBA court - that's just how his game works, and that's why he lost in the 1st Round with Luka and AD - this is pathetic and not even top 1000 all-time.

[90sgoat]

Kawhi overall is more athletic than Lebron right now if you weigh in his ability to play defense on top of the offense he provides, and he's shown he can play great D down the stretch of games (even on Jokic) and take it to the hoop.

He is 7 years younger, but the point is, he can't jump or get by opponents either, but unlike Lebron he can shoot.

[Bankaii]

Austin Reaves relegated to a spot up shooter next to Bran & Luka Ball - struggled - his FT rate plummeted while 2/3rds of his shots came from the 3PT line because they didn't let him cook.
Lmao at blaming LeBron. When it was LeBron/AD (then the 10 games where it was just LeBron), AR was looking like a rising all-star. One thing changed Luka.

Luka is a great passer but he does not do well with other stars because he dominates the ball on a level on 2018-19 Harden and 2017 Westbrook have reached. Brunson is better without him, Kyrie had one of his worst post seasons with him, and now Lebron was diminished with him.

[StrongLurk]

Lebron was the biggest negative on the team, so you're just lying - the Lakers lost massively with him on the floor and he had the worst 4th quarter stats - it's impossible to win if your star has 0 points in the 4th and has 2 critical turnovers (foul on Ant and the inbounds pass).

So Lebron is the reason they lost and he was a stat-padding joke... He literally sacrificed victory for stats - he does this automatically by stepping on an NBA court - that's just how his game works, and that's why he lost in the 1st Round with Luka and AD - this is pathetic and not even top 1000 all-time.

Ah I see, you are just having another one of your temper tantrums. Sometimes I forget you are completely delusion and mentally ill.

I mean you are totally right. The guy with 4 MVPS, 4 FMVPS, 21 all-nba selections, and the most regular season and playoff points of all time is not even a top 1000 player...

Also speaking of your "plus/minus" claim, Lebron has the highest "plus/minus" in playoff history by a long shot. So I guess by your own claim, Lebron is the best playoff performer of all time.

[3ba11]

Ah I see, you are just having another one of your temper tantrums. Sometimes I forget you are completely delusion and mentally ill.

I mean you are totally right. The guy with 4 MVPS, 4 FMVPS, 21 all-nba selections, and the most regular season and playoff points of all time is not even a top 1000 player...

Also speaking of your "plus/minus" claim, Lebron has the highest "plus/minus" in playoff history by a long shot. So I guess by your own claim, Lebron is the best playoff performer of all time.


Media accolade means nothing.. It's literally the group-think of a few dozen journalists.. Means nothing..

Otoh, 1000 players would do better than 1st Round loss with Luka Doncic and AD.

200 players would do better than 1 for 6 with AD, or 1 for 4 with Love, or a shaky 2/4 with Wade/Bosh - 150 guys 3-peat with Wade/Bosh.

[StrongLurk]

Media accolade means nothing.. It's literally the group-think of a few dozen journalists.. Means nothing..

Otoh, 1000 players would do better than 1st Round loss with Luka Doncic and AD.

200 players would do better than 1 for 6 with AD, or 1 for 4 with Love, or a shaky 2/4 with Wade/Bosh - 150 guys 3-peat with Wade/Bosh.

You'll be okay hunny. Close the laptop, take your meds, and get a nice sleep.

[ShawkFactory]

Lebron proved that he's a horrific off-ball player by losing in the 1st Round with Luka, while being a massive negative and not scoring for entire 4th quarters.. He was also a massive turnover machine in the clutch despite playing off-ball, so these factors make him the worst off-ball player ever... Lebron's massive negative impact alongside Luka is because Lebron is a ball-dominator that can't play off-ball - this series was a "case in point" that Lebron can't play off-ball and is really bad at it... So once again, I'm right... I'm always right because it's bball 101 that ball-dominators lose, and Lebron is a ball-dominator (the only way he can dominate, play well, or have positive impact).

Carry on

Solid pivot :applause: