All time NBA choke team

[90sgoat]

How do they do?

PG: Chris Paul
SG: James Harden
SF: Tracy McGrady
PF: Lebron James
C: Joel Embiid

Bench: Kevin Garnett, Patrick Ewing, Mitch Ritchmond, Paul George, Oscar Robertson

[L.Kizzle]

Mitch Richmond never had a top 4 seed (probably never had a top 7 seed.)

[Nowoco]

Coached by Doc Rivers.

[90sgoat]

Coached by Doc Rivers.

:roll:

[White Hammer]

That team is stacked, but give me a team with Christian Braun, JJ Barea, and some guy holding a sign saying “this way to the conference finals” and I can beat them.

[MrFonzworth]

Replace TMac with Paul George

[John8204]

PG - Dave Bing - Won a single playoff series in his entire career and that was with Unseld and Hayes
SG - James Harden - Yeah James Harden is the anti-Butler
SF - Elgin Baylor - They finally won when he got injured
PF - Playoff Pete - I didn't want to make it to focused on current guys
C - Shaquille Oneal - 6 sweeps kinda embarrassing, if you erase the shady officiating he has 1 ring.

Bench - Tracy McGrady, Charles Barkely, Patrick Ewing, Joel Embiid

[Real Men Wear Green]

I realize that he never led a team anywhere but in terms of play what did McGrady do to deserve being listed here? How has he choked worse than Nick Anderson, who somehow isn't even mentioned?

[Real Men Wear Green]

Eh just noticed Barkley got mentioned. Nevermind this thread is a joke.

[imdaman99]

How is LeBron part of that all time choke team? I swear if you're not a LeBron Stan on here, you're prob a hater. Only 2 types of fans. I lean more towards as a hater but I'm also not a troll

[04mzwach]

I'm unimpressed. I figured you would put Lebron for at least 4 positions, if not 5. You are losing your touch.

[John8204]

Eh just noticed Barkley got mentioned. Nevermind this thread is a joke.

The case for McGrady is he was playing in a terrible era and he still never had a run.

Barkley, he didn't make a finals with two super teams, often got knocked out in the first round and only had that one year in Phoenix where he lost to MJ.

[Wally450]

Coached by Doc Rivers.

I'd go D'Antoni before I went with Rivers.

[ShawkFactory]

The case for McGrady is he was playing in a terrible era and he still never had a run.

Barkley, he didn't make a finals with two super teams, often got knocked out in the first round and only had that one year in Phoenix where he lost to MJ.

Huh? The mid-2000s West was VERY strong..

[Real Men Wear Green]

The case for McGrady is he was playing in a terrible era and he still never had a run.

Barkley, he didn't make a finals with two super teams, often got knocked out in the first round and only had that one year in Phoenix where he lost to MJ.
You are replying with the same garbage talking points trolls aim at players of today to guys you probably never viewed. Do you even know what choking is? Nick Anderson missing four free throws with the first game of the Finals on the line, that is choking. Tracy McGrady never getting the average teams he led to overachieve at worst maybe says something about him as a leader but had nothing to do with any failure to perform. And Barkley was on two superteams? You have no idea what you're talking about, but FYI he has hit a series-clinching game-winning jumper over David Robinson that even some ignorant kid that is talking or of his ass about a legend should have seen at least once in a highlight reel through tiktok or youtube.

[Nowoco]

The case for McGrady is he was playing in a terrible era and he still never had a run.

Nonsense.

[SouBeachTalents]

I'm unimpressed. I figured you would put Lebron for at least 4 positions, if not 5. You are losing your touch.
It was painfully predictable :lol The entire reason he bothered making the thread in the first place.

[gengiskhan]

Pippen (1993, 1996, 1998)
Kobe (2000, 2004, 2008)
LBJ (2011, and every other finals)

[90sgoat]

The case for McGrady is he was playing in a terrible era and he still never had a run.

Barkley, he didn't make a finals with two super teams, often got knocked out in the first round and only had that one year in Phoenix where he lost to MJ.

You're not a choker if you go toe to toe with MJ and fielding a team that starts Ricky Dumars.

[Hey Yo]

You're not a choker if you go toe to toe with MJ and fielding a team that starts Ricky Dumars.

Dumas avg 16-4 in 26mins per game that finals.

[ArbitraryWater]

You're not a choker if you go toe to toe with MJ and fielding a team that starts Ricky Dumars.


I believe choking comes down to what you do, not what your teammates do or your opponent.

[tpols]

Tmac wasn't a choker. The rest of the lineup looks legit though. Put Finals Tatum in his spot to light it up from 3 @ 25%.

[ArbitraryWater]

Tmac wasn't a choker. The rest of the lineup looks legit though. Put Finals Tatum in his spot to light it up from 3 @ 25%.


:oldlol:

We need you in this thread righ now:
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?521503-Kobe-vs-Harden-vs-Wade-in-Elimination-Games

Why did Kobe suck so much in the biggest games bro?

[tpols]

Kobe probably has the clutchest rep in NBA history amongst his peers alongside MJ and Bird. Larry had some bad statlines too at times but this is a contextual question. These guys were takeover scorers and didn't shrink in 4th quarters. It was the opposite.

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe probably has the clutchest rep in NBA history amongst his peers alongside MJ and Bird. Larry had some bad statlines too at times but this is a contextual question. These guys were takeover scorers and didn't shrink in 4th quarters. It was the opposite.

The clutch rep is outdated.

Why can none of the stat sheets regardless of filter show this though?

No matter the filter, game 7, elimination game, closeout game, finals game, last 2 minutes, last 24 seconds, Kobe is horrible in all of them.

LeBron outperforms him everywhere, including in 4th quarters. LeBron has put together 4th quarters Kobe can only dream of.

[tpols]

I'm mostly breaking your balls about LeBron he's not one of the least unclutch... probably somewhere in the middle.

Lebrons kind of like Curry in a sense. Frontrunner scorer. Not enough of a midrange game to take over crunchtimes ala MJ, Kobe, Dirk, Bird, etc. It's just their different styles of play. You have cajones being in this thread after the recent 0 point 4th quarters though. :lol

[HoopsNY]

Good thread. Someone mentioned Richmond never having a top 4 seed, but he did in 1992. Mine would probably look something like...

PG- CP3
SG- Harden
SF- Baylor
PF- KG
C - Ewing

[Jasper]

blue print = no show Harden

[SouBeachTalents]

Good thread. Someone mentioned Richmond never having a top 4 seed, but he did in 1992. Mine would probably look something like...

PG- CP3
SG- Harden
SF- Baylor
PF- KG
C - Ewing
Baylor being on the all-time choke team when he was averaging 35+ ppg in the playoffs in his prime is a curious selection.

My team would probably be

Simmons
Harden
DeRozan
Bosh
Embiid

Harden & Embiid should be locks for every lineup, I don't think I even need an explanation for this.

DeRozan's honestly been nearly as bad as the two of them, he's just not as notable of a player. And while this is completely arbitrary, DeRozan hasn't made a 3 pointer in the playoffs since April 2018, a statistic that's honestly impossible to believe.

Ben Simmons is arguably the biggest mental midget in league history, he should get the nod over CP3 even if he wasn't half as good of a player.

PF was admittedly the toughest spot, I considered Malone but he helped lead the Jazz to two Finals and two tough series against the Bulls, even if he choked on numerous occasions. You can't take away Bosh's rebound on the Allen shot, but outside of that I felt like his play consistently dipped in the playoffs from the regular season. If someone can think of a better option at PF, I'm all ears.

[tpols]

Baylor being on the all-time choke team when he was averaging 35+ ppg in the playoffs in his prime is a curious selection.

My team would probably be

Simmons
Harden
DeRozan
Bosh
Embiid

Harden & Embiid should be locks for every lineup, I don't think I even need an explanation for this.

DeRozan's honestly been nearly as bad as the two of them, he's just not as notable of a player. And while this is completely arbitrary, DeRozan hasn't made a 3 pointer in the playoffs since April 2018, a statistic that's honestly impossible to believe.

Ben Simmons is arguably the biggest mental midget in league history, he should get the nod over CP3 even if he wasn't half as good of a player.

PF was admittedly the toughest spot, I considered Malone but he helped lead the Jazz to two Finals and two tough series against the Bulls, even if he choked on numerous occasions. You can't take away Bosh's rebound on the Allen shot, but outside of that I felt like his play consistently dipped in the playoffs from the regular season. If someone can think of a better option at PF, I'm all ears.

Hawks Paul Millsap was atrocious in the playoffs. And unlike Bosh he had the opportunity to probably take as many shots as he wanted since there was no clear #1, and they really needed him to.

[HoopsNY]

Baylor being on the all-time choke team when he was averaging 35+ ppg in the playoffs in his prime is a curious selection.

My team would probably be

Simmons
Harden
DeRozan
Bosh
Embiid

Harden & Embiid should be locks for every lineup, I don't think I even need an explanation for this.

DeRozan's honestly been nearly as bad as the two of them, he's just not as notable of a player. And while this is completely arbitrary, DeRozan hasn't made a 3 pointer in the playoffs since April 2018, a statistic that's honestly impossible to believe.

Ben Simmons is arguably the biggest mental midget in league history, he should get the nod over CP3 even if he wasn't half as good of a player.

PF was admittedly the toughest spot, I considered Malone but he helped lead the Jazz to two Finals and two tough series against the Bulls, even if he choked on numerous occasions. You can't take away Bosh's rebound on the Allen shot, but outside of that I felt like his play consistently dipped in the playoffs from the regular season. If someone can think of a better option at PF, I'm all ears.

Yea but that wasn't always the case for Elgin. And then the Lakers went on to win the title immediately after his season ended in '72, which is pretty telling I think.

I also think KG is a choker because it took the formation of a superteam to overcome his first 7 playoff appearances with Minnesota where he got bounced in the first round.

I wrote about this in another thread somewhere and showed how KG not only failed to get past the 1st round, but he also was a no show in the biggest games and the 4th quarter of those games.

[Nowoco]

And while this is completely arbitrary, DeRozan hasn't made a 3 pointer in the playoffs since April 2018, a statistic that's honestly impossible to believe.

Please tell me I'm not the only one who had to check that stat was accurate. It is :biggums:

[Nowoco]

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[SouBeachTalents]

https://i.postimg.cc/28x71Xp8/Untitled.jpg
:oldlol: This is a guy who's averaged 30-35 during the regular season on multiple occasions too.

His career playoff games shooting under 20% also laps the field, I believe he has as many as the next 2 players combined, or close to it.