When did Lebron carry the scoring load & choking teammates to win series vs top team?

[3ba11]

He never won a series vs top 5 SRS team with weak scoring and efficiency from a sidekick, so he never carried weak help over top teams.

This is due to ball-dominance.. Ball-dominance at high scoring levels can't beat top teams, so ball-dominance prevents carrying scoring load, thus requiring more stars and preventing GM's from getting good defenders/role players.

In addition to preventing guys from carrying the scoring load (thus requiring more stars), ball-domination's effect of turning everyone into spot-up shooter further hinders roster construction, chemistry and great teams.

Since ball-domination prevents elite roster construction, it can't win with "normal" rosters of 1 franchise player and requires joining 1st options or franchise players from other teams.. In addition to not winning with normal rosters, ball-dominators can't produce great teams, such as dynasties (3 in 5) or dominant title runs (4 losses max).

[StrongLurk]

Kobe was ball dominant in all of his playoff runs that resulted in rings.

[3ba11]

Kobe was ball dominant in all of his playoff runs that resulted in rings.


Kobe's rings as 1st option in 09' and 10' required the same GOAT jumpshooting volume that MJ had in 97' and 98' - MJ and Kobe are the only players in history with this level of jumpshooting volume - they made 700 jumpshots in a season, which is twice as many as Lebron's peak season of jumpshooting.

The triangle didn't allow ball-dominance and was equal-opportunity... History shows that MJ and Kobe are the only guys to win with the pure triangle, which had low time of possession for all players - Kobe's iso's were super-quick.

[3ba11]

Kobe was ball dominant in all of his playoff runs that resulted in rings.


Kobe's rings as 1st option in 09' and 10' required the same GOAT jumpshooting volume that MJ had in 97' and 98' - MJ and Kobe are the only players in history with this level of jumpshooting volume - they made 700 jumpshots in a season, which is twice as many as Lebron's peak season of jumpshooting.

The triangle didn't allow ball-dominance and was equal-opportunity... History shows that MJ and Kobe are the only guys to win with the pure triangle, which had low time of possession for all players - Kobe's iso's were super-quick.

[3ba11]

kinda sounds like you guys are okay with everything that i say and you agree that most of it turned out to be right, with the exception of Kobe - you don't agree that Kobe was an off-ball player.. I'm fine with this - we can agree to disagree on Kobe.. I wouldn't expect the nascent fan to understand the most sophisticated game and greatest scoring diversity in NBA history.

[tpols]

Kobe was ball dominant in all of his playoff runs that resulted in rings.

You're confusing assisted rate % with ball dominance aka time of possesion (TOP).

Kobe wasn't playing like Luka or harden or lebron in any of his playoff runs. At all. He was never an over dribbler. Triple threat and a couple dribbles at most.

[StrongLurk]

You're confusing assisted rate % with ball dominance aka time of possesion (TOP).

Kobe wasn't playing like Luka or harden or lebron in any of his playoff runs. At all. He was never an over dribbler. Triple threat and a couple dribbles at most.

I'm not confused. OP himself defined ball dominance as any player with an assisted rate under 40%. So Kobe himself falls under this definition.

OP was always lying by claiming Kobe wasn't ball dominant because he had a high assisted rate (which Kobe doesn't). But OP lies all the time, so it's not unexpected. It's just really easy to provide OP with endless beatdowns.

[ImKobe]

Kobe was ball dominant in all of his playoff runs that resulted in rings.

So Kobe's ball dominance resulted in more rings than Lebron's and in less time and with less help and while playing in a tougher Conference aka Kobe played a superior brand of basketball and did more with less.

[Hey Yo]

So Kobe's ball dominance resulted in more rings than Lebron's and in less time and with less help and while playing in a tougher Conference aka Kobe played a superior brand of basketball and did more with less.

Since when has 2 been considered more than 4?

[StrongLurk]

So Kobe's ball dominance resulted in more rings than Lebron's and in less time and with less help and while playing in a tougher Conference aka Kobe played a superior brand of basketball and did more with less.

How is the "brand" superior if it's the same "brand" as Lebron's according to OP lol?

Also we all know 4 MVPs > 1 MVP and 4 FMVPs > 2 FMVPs.

[ImKobe]

How is the "brand" superior if it's the same "brand" as Lebron's according to OP lol?

Also we all know 4 MVPs > 1 MVP and 4 FMVPs > 2 FMVPs.

Lebron was a shorter version of Giannis in his prime. Teams wanted him to take the outside shot.

[FKAri]

Kobe's rings as 1st option in 09' and 10' required the same GOAT jumpshooting volume that MJ had in 97' and 98' - MJ and Kobe are the only players in history with this level of jumpshooting volume - they made 700 jumpshots in a season, which is twice as many as Lebron's peak season of jumpshooting.

The triangle didn't allow ball-dominance and was equal-opportunity... History shows that MJ and Kobe are the only guys to win with the pure triangle, which had low time of possession for all players - Kobe's iso's were super-quick.

Bums

[StrongLurk]

Lebron was a shorter version of Giannis in his prime. Teams wanted him to take the outside shot.

Weak troll attempt, I know you can do better.

[Ne 1]

2007 Cavaliers. LeBron averaged 25.7 ppg in the playoffs. His second leading scorer (Boobie Gibson) averaged 13.5 ppg. The 2007 Cavs beat the #1 seeded Detroit Pistons. In that series, LeBron scored 48 in game 6 on the road, including the final 25 points the Cavs scored, by himself.

You lie and just pray nobody exposes it.

[3ba11]

OP himself defined ball dominance as any player with an assisted rate under 40%.





Stop lying.. I said that anyone with a CAREER assisted rate of under 40% is a primary ballhandler - this is true 100% of the time.

The assisted rate of any 1 series of playoff run means nothing and is opponent-specific... And tpols is correct about time of possession - Kobe never had a 7 or 8 minutes of time of possession like Lebron, Luka, Harden, Westbrook, SGA, etc - true ball-dominators (aka high-scoring primary ballhandlers).

[StrongLurk]

Stop lying.. I said that anyone with a CAREER assisted rate of under 40% is a primary ballhandler - this is true 100% of the time.

The assisted rate of any 1 series of playoff run means nothing and is opponent-specific... And tpols is correct about time of possession - Kobe never had a 7 or 8 minutes of time of possession like Lebron, Luka, Harden, Westbrook, SGA, etc - true ball-dominators (aka high-scoring primary ballhandlers).

We already know the numbers that you want to hide. The biggest damnation is that Kobe was under 40% assisted rate (ball dominant), for 6 out of his 7 finals runs lol. So there goes your theory of why Kobe was "winning".

I haven't looked up Kobe's hold times yet, but I'm sure they are also high based on your constant lying.

[3ba11]

OP himself defined ball dominance as any player with an assisted rate under 40%.





Stop lying.. I said that anyone with a CAREER assisted rate of under 40% is a primary ballhandler - this is true 100% of the time.

Otoh, the assisted rate of any 1 series of playoff run means nothing and is opponent-specific... And tpols is correct about time of possession - Kobe never had a 7 or 8 minutes of time of possession like Lebron, Luka, Harden, Westbrook, SGA, etc - aka true ball-dominators, aka high-scoring primary ballhandlers.

[3ba11]

We already know the numbers that you want to hide. The biggest damnation is that Kobe was under 40% assisted rate (ball dominant), for 6 out of his 7 finals runs lol. So there goes your theory of why Kobe was "winning".

I haven't looked up Kobe's hold times yet, but I'm sure they are also high based on your constant lying.


Career assisted rates are 100% accurate in classifying a player as a primary ballhandler or not, i.e. anyone under 40% is a primary ballhandler 100% of the time... Otoh, tons of NON-ball-dominators had assisted rates under 40% for individual series or runs, so going by 1 series means literally nothing.

It's easy to see why 40% is a natural cutoff point because a career assisted rate over 40% means the player had numerous years in their prime where they were near 50% - this is the capability needed to run a ball movement system, and Kobe obviously had this - he won with the most intensive ball movement system ever and most restrictive (minimal dribbling allowed).. It's a goat achievement to win in the triangle, which is why it requires the goat or his clone - the triangle never won without them - they invented the footwork needed to average 30+ without dribbling much.. This was required to quickly "close" the MANY possessions where the triangle is stuck and needs a bailout (with minimal dribbles, aka MJ or Kobe required).

Btw, if you want to look at individual playoff runs, the leading scorer for every dominant title run (4 losses or less) had an assisted rate of 46% or higher... To summarize - dominant title runs occurred 8 times since 1997 (play-by-play era), and the leading scorer was an off-ball player 8 of 8 times (97' Jordan, 99' Duncan, 01' Shaq, 02' Shaq, 07' Duncan, 17' Durant, 23' Jokic, 24' Tatum).. Furthermore, all the dynasties had a leading scorer that was an off-ball player (Jordan, Shaq, Duncan, Curry)...

Carry on

[StrongLurk]

Career assisted rates are 100% accurate in classifying a player as a primary ballhandler or not, i.e. anyone under 40% is a primary ballhandler 100% of the time... Otoh, tons of NON-ball-dominators had assisted rates under 40% for individual series or runs, so going by 1 series means literally nothing.

It's easy to see why 40% is a natural cutoff point because a career assisted rate over 40% means the player had numerous years in their prime where they were near 50% - this is the capability needed to run a ball movement system, and Kobe obviously had this - he won with the most intensive ball movement system ever and most restrictive (minimal dribbling allowed).. It's a goat achievement to win in the triangle, which is why it requires the goat or his clone - the triangle never won without them - they invented the footwork needed to average 30+ without dribbling much.. This was required to quickly "close" the MANY possessions where the triangle is stuck and needs a bailout (with minimal dribbles, aka MJ or Kobe required).

Btw, if you want to look at individual playoff runs, the leading scorer for every dominant title run (4 losses or less) had an assisted rate of 46% or higher... To summarize - dominant title runs occurred 8 times since 1997 (play-by-play era), and the leading scorer was an off-ball player 8 of 8 times (97' Jordan, 99' Duncan, 01' Shaq, 02' Shaq, 07' Duncan, 17' Durant, 23' Jokic, 24' Tatum).. Furthermore, all the dynasties had a leading scorer that was an off-ball player (Jordan, Shaq, Duncan, Curry)...

Carry on

You are just making up stuff. I know the data moron. And you're literally the only one saying 40% is the "cutoff" for a ball dominator. There is no formal cutoff or expectation there :facepalm. You are literally just making up your own mindless "facts" and "narratives".

Go get a therapist.

[3ba11]

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8 of 8 "DOMINANT CHAMPIONS" THAT AVERAGED 1 LOSS PER ROUND OR LESS (4 LOSSES MAX) REQUIRED BIGS OR JUMPSHOOTERS AT 1ST OPTION FOR THAT PLAYOFF RUN:



1. 2017 Warriors (16-1).............. DURANT

2. 2001 Lakers (15-1).................. SHAQ

3. 1999 Spurs (15-2)................... DUNCAN

4. 2024 Celtics (16-3)................. TATUM

5. 2023 Nuggets (16-4)............... JOKIC

6. 2007 Spurs (16-4)................... DUNCAN

7. 2002 Lakers (15-4).................. SHAQ

8. 1997 Bulls (15-4)..................... JORDAN




4 0f 4 "DYNASTIES" THAT MOSTLY WON FOR A MATERIAL STRETCH OF 5+ YEARS (I.E. 3 IN 5) REQUIRED BIGS OR JUMPSHOOTERS AT 1ST OPTION:



1. CHICAGO BULLS...................... JORDAN

2. LOS ANGELES LAKERS)............ SHAQ

3. SAN ANTONIO SPURS............... DUNCAN

4. GSW WARRIORS...................... CURRY



^^^ 12 of 12 instances of dynasties or dominant champions (the best basketball) required bigs or jumpshooters at 1st option.

0 of 12 instances had primary ball-handlers as 1st option

FYI - the lowest assisted rate for the 8 dominant title runs was 47% (aka great teams required highly-assisted 1st options)





You are just making up stuff. I know the data moron. And your literally the only one saying 40% is the "cutoff" for a ball dominator. There is no formal cutoff or expectation there :facepalm. You are literally just making up your own mindless "facts" and "narratives".

Go get a therapist.


It's a statistical fact that everyone with a career assisted rate of under 40% is a primary ballhandler.

There are no exceptions to this.

So you're just in denial...

History shows that career assisted rate is relevant to classify players, while individual playoff runs aren't.. There are tons of non-ball-dominators with runs under 40%, but anyone with a career rate under 40% is a primary ballhandler 100% of the time.

[3ba11]

2007 Cavaliers. LeBron averaged 25.7 ppg in the playoffs. His second leading scorer (Boobie Gibson) averaged 13.5 ppg. The 2007 Cavs beat the #1 seeded Detroit Pistons. In that series, LeBron scored 48 in game 6 on the road, including the final 25 points the Cavs scored, by himself.

You lie and just pray nobody exposes it.


The 2007 Pistons weren't a top 5 SRS team.... Lebron never beat a top 5 SRS team with weak scoring & efficiency from a sidekick, so he never carried weak help over top teams.. This was the first sentence of the OP, so next time try to read the first sentence of the OP at least.

The 07' Pistons were a weak 53-win team and only the #6 SRS, so Lebron only needed 25 on 45% in that series to win.

For reference, MJ averaged 43/7/7 against a similar opponent in the 1990 Sixers, but no one cared because the Sixers weren't a top team or respected as a real contender.

[StrongLurk]

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8 of 8 "DOMINANT CHAMPIONS" THAT AVERAGED 1 LOSS PER ROUND OR LESS (4 LOSSES MAX) REQUIRED BIGS OR JUMPSHOOTERS AT 1ST OPTION FOR THAT PLAYOFF RUN:



1. 2017 Warriors (16-1).............. DURANT

2. 2001 Lakers (15-1).................. SHAQ

3. 1999 Spurs (15-2)................... DUNCAN

4. 2024 Celtics (16-3)................. TATUM

5. 2023 Nuggets (16-4)............... JOKIC

6. 2007 Spurs (16-4)................... DUNCAN

7. 2002 Lakers (15-4).................. SHAQ

8. 1997 Bulls (15-4)..................... JORDAN




4 0f 4 "DYNASTIES" THAT MOSTLY WON FOR A MATERIAL STRETCH OF 5+ YEARS (I.E. 3 IN 5) REQUIRED BIGS OR JUMPSHOOTERS AT 1ST OPTION:



1. CHICAGO BULLS...................... JORDAN

2. LOS ANGELES LAKERS)............ SHAQ

3. SAN ANTONIO SPURS............... DUNCAN

4. GSW WARRIORS...................... CURRY



^^^ 12 of 12 instances of dynasties or dominant champions (the best basketball) required bigs or jumpshooters at 1st option.

0 of 12 instances had primary ball-handlers as 1st option

FYI - the lowest assisted rate for the 8 dominant title runs was 47% (aka great teams required highly-assisted 1st options)







It's a statistical fact that everyone with a career assisted rate of under 40% is a primary ballhandler.

There are no exceptions to this.

So you're just in denial...

History shows that career assisted rate is relevant to classify players, while individual playoff runs aren't.. There are tons of non-ball-dominators with runs under 40%, but anyone with a career rate under 40% is a primary ballhandler 100% of the time.

I love how Kobe isn't up there at all, even in your contrived attempts lol.

Also you saying "It's a statistical fact that everyone with a career assisted rate of under 40% is a primary ballhandler." doesn't make it a fact. But it's a free country to say whatever you want. No one agrees with your ramblings so I guess it doesn't matter what you say.

[3ba11]

I love how Kobe isn't up there at all, even in your contrived attempts lol.

Also you saying "It's a statistical fact that everyone with a career assisted rate of under 40% is a primary ballhandler." doesn't make it a fact. But it's a free country to say whatever you want. No one agrees with your ramblings so I guess it doesn't matter what you say.


Find me a player with a career assisted rate below 40% that isn't considered a primary ballhandler.

Doesn't exist.

Therefore, anyone with a career assisted rate below 40% is a primary ballhandler.. It's a good cutoff, and it's the kind of information that makes you look like a genius because you can just look at a guy's career assisted rate and see what type of player he is... i.e. under 40% = primary ballhandler.... 40-50% = grey area that includes many SG's, SF's, while over 50% is almost exclusively big men, spot-up shooters (klay), and dunkers/slashers (Derrick Jones).