Mitchell is an actual Superstar

[ArbitraryWater]

Pure bucket getter.

His game right now is reminding me of what its like when a team has a player that can basically get a basket at will.

A threat from anywhere and can create a good look any time.

More of a scoring threat than SGA, Tatum, Kawhi, current Bron, out of shape Luka.

[warriorfan]

Smaller D-Wade mixed with Jamal Murray? Offensively at least.

[ArbitraryWater]

Smaller D-Wade mixed with Jamal Murray? Offensively at least.

Def some D-Wade. Why smaller though?

[warriorfan]

Def some D-Wade. Why smaller though?

Mitchell is around 6 1 with 6 10 wingspan (insane)

Wade is around 6 3 or 6 4 with a 6 11 wingspan

I would think wade would weigh a little more too

[ArbitraryWater]

Mitchell is around 6 1 with 6 10 wingspan (insane)

Wade is around 6 3 or 6 4 with a 6 11 wingspan

I would think wade would weigh a little more too

ESPN has Mitchell at 6 3. Euro measurements have Mitch at 1.91 and Wade at 1.93, 2 cms.

Pretty close imo, look pretty same to me physically, although prime Wades built seems a little more cut, but not really bigger.

[Neal Romer]

31 points on 28 shots so far tonight, 4 assists, nothing special defensively and currently a team worst -18.


So, I mean.


Guess it all depends what you value.


Not saying any one game defines a guy. But this is actually a very typical Mitchell line.


:confusedshrug:

[warriorfan]

ESPN has Mitchell at 6 3. Euro measurements have Mitch at 1.91 and Wade at 1.93, 2 cms.

Pretty close imo, look pretty same to me physically, although prime Wades built seems a little more cut, but not really bigger.

I’ looked it up along time ago because I thought he was 6 3 or 6 4 and he’s measured 6 1 at the combine.

Wade measured a little under 6 4.

They are similar enough build. But I think Wade is slightly bigger.


31 points on 28 shots so far tonight, 4 assists, nothing special defensively and currently a team worst -18.


So, I mean.


Guess it all depends what you value.


Not saying any one game defines a guy. But this is actually a very typical Mitchell line.


:confusedshrug:

He was the guy who brought them back in the third when they were down pretty big

[ArbitraryWater]

31 points on 28 shots so far tonight, 4 assists, nothing special defensively and currently a team worst -18.


So, I mean.


Guess it all depends what you value.


Not saying any one game defines a guy. But this is actually a very typical Mitchell line.


:confusedshrug:


I feel like the gravity of the game, the 3 point shot, has really fiddled with +/- and individual impact in general. Games have less of a superstar presence now and are ruled by the 3 point shot, so, by role players as much as the superstars. Individual players do not have the same impact they were allowed to have in 2P heavy eras.

[tpols]

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[Neal Romer]

He was the guy who brought them back in the third when they were down pretty big

No doubt. Hes a guy who can erupt for big runs. He can also go 1-11 on threes in the very same game, like he did tonight. Without doing much as a playmaker or defender.

So... Good player? Sure.

Superstar? Like I said, just depends how you define it and what you value. It's subjective I guess.

[imdaman99]

He isn't half the player Wade was. That's what my ish bro Smoke told me, and I couldn't agree with him more. He's more like 48% the player DWade was.

[warriorfan]

No doubt. Hes a guy who can erupt for big runs. He can also go 1-11 on threes in the very same game, like he did tonight. Without doing much as a playmaker or defender.

So. Good player? Sure.

Superstar? Like I said, just depends how you define superstar and what you value.

He has an outside shot but he is streaky. He has some monster playoff series under his belt when he is on a heater. That is why I mentioned Murray. But he does lack defensively and if he isn’t cooking he isn’t impacting the game. High highs and low lows. Overall I don’t think he is a superstar but at the same time there is a good chance he gets hot and plays like one over a series.

[tpols]

Mitchell was -19 on the floor and shot 13-30, 1-11 from deep playing 0 defense the whole time. This isn't the time to make this thread. Xiao told us he gives up just as much as he produces.

[brownmamba00]

Nah not really

[warriorfan]

He isn't half the player Wade was. That's what my ish bro Smoke told me, and I couldn't agree with him more. He's more like 48% the player DWade was.

Mitchell has the better outside shot but what really separates them is Mitchell’s defense can’t be even compared to Wade’s. Mitchell is a poor defender when Wade in his prime was flirting with DPOY and has the most blocks by any guard of all time. Wade is also slightly bigger and stronger and more consistent at taking over games.

[SouBeachTalents]

People throw out the term superstar way too liberally. Would that many people even consider him a top 10 player in the league? I doubt it. Imo there's roughly 5-10 superstars in the league at any time, and Mitchell isn't one of them.

[Neal Romer]

He has an outside shot but he is streaky. He has some monster playoff series under his belt when he is on a heater. That is why I mentioned Murray. But he does lack defensively and if he isn’t cooking he isn’t impacting the game. High highs and low lows. Overall I don’t think he is a superstar but at the same time there is a good chance he gets hot and plays like one over a series.

My thing about Mitchell has always been the same thing I said about Kawhi last night, in fact I even compared them. Which made Mask, Proctor, and RRR3 laugh which probably validates my point as intelligent.

Theyre not guys whose offense gets the rest of the team going. Theyre not instinctive players, theyre very polished and rehearsed. They get the ball and they have a robotic process to go and get their bucket. But they dont have much playmaking instinct. So even when theyre hot, it's not keeping the team in rhythm. And I think thats a flaw. Even great players arent perfect, except Lebron. Thats a weakness they share, and Mitchell also lacks Kawhi's size and shooting consistency. So if Mitchell is a superstar, what is Kawhi? And if Kawhi is something above superstar, what is Jokic?

Like it just depends how you define these tiers and what one means by them.

[ArbitraryWater]

Mitchell was -19 on the floor and shot 13-30, 1-11 from deep playing 0 defense the whole time. This isn't the time to make this thread. Xiao told us he gives up just as much as he produces.

Iirc the Jazz sucked without Mitchell, but he kept them afloat when Gobert was out aka Goberts impact wasnt nearly the same.

[ArbitraryWater]

People throw out the term superstar way too liberally. Would that many people even consider him a top 10 player in the league? I doubt it. Imo there's roughly 5-10 superstars in the league at any time, and Mitchell isn't one of them.

That was "literally" my point though, to declare him a superstar :lol

[warriorfan]

My thing about Mitchell has always been the same thing I said about Kawhi last night, in fact I even compared them. Which made Mask, Proctor, and RRR3 laugh which probably validates my point as intelligent.

Theyre not guys whose offense gets the rest of the team going. Theyre not instinctive players, theyre very polished and rehearsed. They get the ball and they have a mechanical process to go and get their bucket. But they dont have much playmaking instinct. So even when theyre hot, it's not keeping the team in rhythm. And I think thats a flaw. Even great players arent perfect, except Lebron. Thats a weakness they share, and Mitchell also lacks Kawhi's size and shooting consistency. So if Mitchell is a superstar, what is Kawhi? And if Kawhi is something above superstar, what is Jokic?

Like it just depends how you define these tiers and what one means by them.

That is all fair. Like I said I don’t think he’s a superstar but he’s shown us he can get hot and play like one over a series. I also think it’s asking a lot for him to string a few of those together over a championship run. Not very good odds of him pulling that off. consistency is a problem.

[Xiao Yao You]

Iirc the Jazz sucked without Mitchell, but he kept them afloat when Gobert was out aka Goberts impact wasnt nearly the same.

Better when mitchell was off the floor. Trolls and facts just dont mix :facepalm

[Xiao Yao You]

Cavs better ladt year when he was off the floor. Utah every year including a negative score his last 3 years while gobert and conley were the best duo in league

[SouBeachTalents]

That was "literally" my point though, to declare him a superstar :lol
Would you honestly even consider him top 10 in the league? If so, you think there's 12+ superstars currently in the league.

[ArbitraryWater]

Cavs better ladt year when he was off the floor. Utah every year including a negative score his last 3 years while gobert and conley were the best duo in league

bolded lies

[Xiao Yao You]

Facts

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mitchdo01.html

[Proctor]

Wouldn't call Mitchell a superstar exactly but the Jazz sucked without him and the Cavs suck without him now. Best player on one of the best teams in the league

[Xiao Yao You]

Allergic to facts:facepalm

[Wally450]

People throw out the term superstar way too liberally. Would that many people even consider him a top 10 player in the league? I doubt it. Imo there's roughly 5-10 superstars in the league at any time, and Mitchell isn't one of them.

Bingo. The way people throw around the word superstar is the way they should be referring to stars in the league.

[Meticode]

Nah...

For me the only superstars are Curry, LeBron, Durant, Jokic, Giannis, Doncic and maybe through Tatum and SGA in there. The last two are borderline. Mitchell falls a tier below those players with other players like Embiid, Leonard, Edwards, Brunson, KAT, Lillard, etc.

[jayfan]

A very talented, high volume scorer who has a tendency to ball-hog, affect team chemistry & choke.

We'll see if that changes this post-season. But that's who he's been. Not a superstar.

.

[ArbitraryWater]

Facts

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mitchdo01.html

You cant read

[999Guy]

Nah...

For me the only superstars are Curry, LeBron, Durant, Jokic, Giannis, Doncic and maybe through Tatum and SGA in there. The last two are borderline. Mitchell falls a tier below those players with other players like Embiid, Leonard, Edwards, Brunson, KAT, Lillard, etc.
It's 2025. Those first 3 names are just other guys now. They're not scary in the playoffs, or any game anymore.

Ant Edwards is probably better than Curry now. And it's not because Edwards is so amazing. Curry is ****ing 37.

[tontoz]

Never been past the 2nd round and prior to this season made All NBA only once. This is a superstar now?

:kobe:

[gengiskhan]

kobe wade mitch has same wingspan of 6'10" - 6'11"

wade and mitch blessed with massive hands.

mitch is the shortest of the 3. still won dunk contest.

[Xiao Yao You]

6 10 wingspan he doesnt use on d

[gengiskhan]

neither did kobe.

[Meticode]

It's 2025. Those first 3 names are just other guys now. They're not scary in the playoffs, or any game anymore.

Ant Edwards is probably better than Curry now. And it's not because Edwards is so amazing. Curry is ****ing 37.

I see your point.

I disagree. All those players are still playing at an All NBA level. Part of superstardom is the name as well and the accomplishments behind it. It's not like those players are role players now or something. They've all won and been there and still making the playoffs. Ant ain't there yet. He has to make it out of the West first in my eyes.

[ArbitraryWater]

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Mama.

[ArbitraryWater]

Mitch with a 40 piece. 26 shots. 7 assists. +18

[warriorfan]

Mitch with a 40 piece. 26 shots. 7 assists. +18

How many points were when they were ahead by double digits?

:D

[ArbitraryWater]

How many points were when they were ahead by double digits?

:D

I dk man, but theyre undermanned, he had to carry.

[Xiao Yao You]

Mitch with a 40 piece. 26 shots. 7 assists. +18

Empty stats :lol

[GOBB]

Thread aged well…

[ArbitraryWater]

Thread aged well…

Yea, it literally did.

He just hung 48 on 30 shots.


Are you retarded bro?

[Xiao Yao You]

Yea, it literally did.

He just hung 48 on 30 shots.


Are you retarded bro?

In a loss :coleman:

[warriorfan]

I dk man, but theyre undermanned, he had to carry.

I’m just messing around since you were trying to discredit any Curry points when they were up by double digits.

I wasn’t watching the entire game but Mitchell had quite a large portion when they were up big.

Try to keep your criteria consistent.

[ArbitraryWater]

I’m just messing around since you were trying to discredit any Curry points when they were up by double digits.

I wasn’t watching the entire game but Mitchell had quite a large portion when they were up big.

Try to keep your criteria consistent.

My criteria is logic.

If you suck for 3 quarters and then go off in the 4th up 8-15, Im prob gonna make a point about it. For anyone.

[GOBB]

Yea, it literally did.

He just hung 48 on 30 shots.


Are you retarded bro?

They lost. Superstar tho…

[warriorfan]

My criteria is logic.

If you suck for 3 quarters and then go off in the 4th up 8-15, Im prob gonna make a point about it. For anyone.

Your criteria was that Curry’s points don’t count because they were leading….like all of Mitchell’s points.

You also didn’t address curry had 6 rebounds and 6 assists a steal and a block at halftime. And he was generating wide open looks for the team.

Your criteria sucks.

[brownmamba00]

Nah not really

2x

[90sgoat]

Mitchell is kind of the next gen Wade isn't he?

[Xiao Yao You]

Mitchell is kind of the next gen Wade isn't he?

:facepalm

[04mzwach]

Superstar is a bad word now that I think about it. The superstar is the guy who goes out and shoots 33 shots to get 30 points. The real basketball players work within the offense and everybody gets their touches. That's why Kobe Bryant wasn't the player people make him out to be. He's just popular because he played in a big market. He had so many chuck fests they rarely talk about now. Then they place him as high ranked on the all time list as they can possibly place him.

[Wardell Curry]

Never has been and never will be. Don't care about 0 to 2. Don't care if the Cavs win the title.

This is like calling Tatum a superstar.

No, they're not.

[Xiao Yao You]

:facepalm

[GOBB]

Great call. Superstar and all

[ArbitraryWater]

Cant quit me.

[warriorfan]

Cant quit me.

:roll: :roll:

[plowking]

They lost. Superstar tho…

Aren't you the logic breaking smooth brain that thinks Embiid>Jokic?

Apply if you can.

[warriorfan]

Aren't you the logic breaking smooth brain that thinks Embiid>Jokic?

Apply if you can.

Don’t take the bait mate

[plowking]

Don’t take the bait mate

Nah no bait. Old mate is full of useless takes he actually believes.

[bizil]

D Wade was on ANOTHER LEVEL than Mitchell plain and simple. D Wade peak-prime wise is a top 3 SG of all time. Only behind MJ and Kobe. LEGIT GREAT at scoring, passing, rebounding, and defending his position. Plus he was a freakish athlete on top of it. GOAT wise a top 3-4 SG ever as well. Hell for players 6'4 and under, Wade PEAKED HIGHER than any player ever. And GOAT wise among the top 4 players 6'4 and under ever along with Steph, West, and Zeke. So Mitchell is a great player and on a HOF path. BUT Wade is in another stratosphere. Ant Man is closer BY FAR to D Wade level than Mitchell.

[FireDavidKahn]

Mitchell is the first player ever to never make a conference finals despite having the #1 seed in both conferences:roll:

[Wardell Curry]

Mitchell is the first player ever to never make a conference finals despite having the #1 seed in both conferences:roll:

But tbf team success is not predicated on one dude. That being said, having the #1 seed multiple times and not making a conference finals is pretty bad.

He has always been overrated dogshit compared to how people hype him up. He's exactly like Tatum in that regard. Really good players that people try to force the superstar narrative on due to the utter lack of superstars in the league.

[Xiao Yao You]

But tbf team success is not predicated on one dude. That being said, having the #1 seed multiple times and not making a conference finals is pretty bad.

He has always been overrated dogshit compared to how people hype him up. He's exactly like Tatum in that regard. Really good players that people try to force the superstar narrative on due to the utter lack of superstars in the league.

Hes nothing like tatum. Hes git the flash and empty stats that most people love. Basketball is about a lot more than that. He doesnt even pretend to play d. Hes all about iso. Good luck in the playoffs even in the east with that formula

[Wardell Curry]

Hes nothing like tatum. Hes git the flash and empty stats that most people love. Basketball is about a lot more than that. He doesnt even pretend to play d. Hes all about iso. Good luck in the playoffs even in the east with that formula

Tatum isn't all about iso? lol

[Xiao Yao You]

Tatum isn't all about iso? lol

Maybe. Pretty sure he plays both ends of the floor and isnt just empty stats