Is the Luka Doncic trade not as bad anymore? Nico Harrison got AD & Cooper in return

[Drygon]

At the time, it was widely regarded as the worst trade in US Sports history. Giving away a 26 yr superstar for an 31 yr AD with injury issues was bad.

Now, Nico Harrison got basically Cooper Flagg in addition by NBA.

As the title says, is the Luka Doncic trade no longer as bad as it was?

[Meticode]

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[Mask the Embiid]

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[Wardell Curry]

What kind of shit is this?

If you're telling me that Nico had the foresight that both AD & Kyrie would get injured, they would miss the playoffs entirely and would then win the lottery with less than 2% odds of doing so, sure, Nico is a genius and did the right thing.

But that's not what happened and this has nothing to do with the trade. In fact, this is further indictment on the trade. The fact that the Mavs missed the playoffs entirely and even had a lottery pick in the first place is completely a result of his incompetence.

[Nowoco]

I’d rather have AD and Flagg than Luka. Nico played a blinder here.

[ArbitraryWater]

lol, youre defeating your own thread premise.

"Given by the NBA". It was a deal.

[red1]

it was "luck"


league rigged the lottery. probably even told the mavs front office before they gave luka to the lakers in an under-the-table deal - to boost ratings for the league overall

[j3lademaster]

Watch Niko draft Derik Queen.

"We need some muscle at center to put next to AD"

[red1]

Watch Niko draft Derik Queen.

"We need some muscle at center to put next to AD"

:roll:

[Full Court]

Full Court called it right away.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?520275-The-Luka-AD-Trade-Not-As-Lopsided-As-It-Seems

[Real Men Wear Green]

Crediting Harrison for getting lucky in the draft makes about as much sense as dissing him for Davis and Irving getting hurt.

Anyhow with this bit of luck Dallas has a great opportunity to completely rebuild. Do not wait around for 2 years while Irving gets "healthy." If someone will vice them a few firsts or a young star, trade him. Next move David's for a young start and draft picks. Make a great young core and actually be able to compete with Wemby for the next 10 years.

I bet Flagg peaks higher than Doncic because although he will never be that kind of offensive player he's worlds better defensively.

[j3lademaster]

Full Court called it right away.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?520275-The-Luka-AD-Trade-Not-As-Lopsided-As-It-Seems

lol you’re literally trying to justify the trade by comparing AD to Luka. Nowhere did you say the Mavs made an under the table deal with Silver for the rights to Flagg.

[Full Court]

lol you’re literally trying to justify the trade by comparing AD to Luka. Nowhere did you say the Mavs made an under the table deal with Silver for the rights to Flagg.

You're right, I didn't say that. Because it's ridiculous lol. If you believe that this was rigged for Dallas, then I have a skyscraper to sell you.

Do you think the Lakers are a better team with Luka then they were with AD?

[90sgoat]

I’d rather have AD and Flagg than Luka. Nico played a blinder here.

I wouldn't, I don't think Flagg will be an elite scorer until later in his career, will take 4-5 years to hit his stride for real, more like Kawhi.

[ImKobe]

Winning cures everything. If Flagg pans out and the Mavs have success with him the fans will ultimately forgive Nico and it'll be looked at as one of the great moves in NBA history. Obviously they didn't make the trade with Flagg in mind (they were trying to make the Playoffs) but it set off a chain of events.

[Wardell Curry]

Winning cures everything. If Flagg pans out and the Mavs have success with him the fans will ultimately forgive Nico and it'll be looked at as one of the great moves in NBA history. Obviously they didn't make the trade with Flagg in mind (they were trying to make the Playoffs) but it set off a chain of events.

It will literally never be looked at as one of the great moves in NBA history.

If you're too stupid to tie your shoes and are about to land in a pit of spikes but the woman of your dreams warns you at the last second and you end up getting married, it doesn't mean that you being too stupid to tie your shoes was a "great move."

It means you fell ass backwards into a lucky position after being as dumb as a box of rocks. That thing won't happen over and over to anyone and he has beyond proven himself to not be a competent NBA level GM. If that guy is making millions making decisions dumber than fans make, most of the posters here could be NBA GMs.

The thing is, dumping Luka could end up being the right move. He could be totally right that Luka has health and conditioning concerns worth dumping him over. History could show that to be true. But it will never be true that he took back an appropriate package. He took basically no future picks of any substance and a nearly past it star who is often injured himself.

Even IF it ends up that Luka just goes further and further down from here and has an albatross overvalued contract, he still took back a terrible package that could have and would have been beaten by many teams.

[Im Still Ballin]

In Nico We Trust.

[Im Still Ballin]

Nicodamus.

[ImKobe]

It will literally never be looked at as one of the great moves in NBA history.

If you're too stupid to tie your shoes and are about to land in a pit of spikes but the woman of your dreams warns you at the last second and you end up getting married, it doesn't mean that you being too stupid to tie your shoes was a "great move."

It means you fell ass backwards into a lucky position after being as dumb as a box of rocks. That thing won't happen over and over to anyone and he has beyond proven himself to not be a competent NBA level GM. If that guy is making millions making decisions dumber than fans make, most of the posters here could be NBA GMs.

The thing is, dumping Luka could end up being the right move. He could be totally right that Luka has health and conditioning concerns worth dumping him over. History could show that to be true. But it will never be true that he took back an appropriate package. He took basically no future picks of any substance and a nearly past it star who is often injured himself.

Even IF it ends up that Luka just goes further and further down from here and has an albatross overvalued contract, he still took back a terrible package that could have and would have been beaten by many teams.

You don't get it. If Flagg is as good as he's hyped this will be looked at as a blessing in disguise years later. They don't miss the Playoffs and end up in this position without that trade happening.

If Lakers end up not winning shit with Luka while the Mavs thrive with Cooper we're going to look at this trade a lot differently, especially if Doncic were to leave the Lakers next year in FA. All the Lakers got out of this Luka trade thus far is a disappointing 1st round exit. Mavs got a generational prospect and will be able to put a winning roster around him instantly.

[Wardell Curry]

You don't get it. If Flagg is as good as he's hyped this will be looked at as a blessing in disguise years later.


I do get it. It's you that don't get it. Luck due to unforeseeable circumstances isn't an all time great move. It's dumb luck. You're an idiot.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Mavs could've won the championship this year, no Celtics or Cavs in finals

Now Kyrie is done, and AD will be done by the time Cooper develops into a superstar. This kid isn't just gonna come tear up the league right away. Still too raw offensively.

All time bad trade and cost them a decade of glory.

[Baller234]

Call me a conspiracy theorist if you want but I would not be surprised if the league made this happen and guaranteed Dallas the #1 draft pick.

When it came down to the final four and Dallas was one of the remaining teams I started to feel it in my gut. The fact that they had a 1.8% chance of winning just adds insult to injury.

[ImKobe]

I do get it. It's you that don't get it. Luck due to unforeseeable circumstances isn't an all time great move. It's dumb luck. You're an idiot.

If they landed a generational player and they have success because of it then it doesn't matter. Wouldn't have been possible if they kept Doncic as they likely make the Playoffs. Not sure why you're so mad lil bro.

[Doomsday Dallas]

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[GOBB]

Call me a conspiracy theorist if you want but I would not be surprised if the league made this happen and guaranteed Dallas the #1 draft pick.

When it came down to the final four and Dallas was one of the remaining teams I started to feel it in my gut. The fact that they had a 1.8% chance of winning just adds insult to injury.

What are you talking about? The nba legit rewarded Dallas with Cooper Flagg. Dallas is a big market for the NBA. Top 5 even. Allowing a player like Flagg to go to Dallas keeps the money flowing.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Flagg and Bueckers for accepting less than Doncic's value in a trade is plausible if you feel like being a conspiracy theorist. If he's allowed to blow up the current Maverick roster and truly rebuild and still has his job in three years then yeah, the NBA and Dallas made a deal and Nico Harrison took the bullet.

[Baller234]

In hindsight I think the Mavs will be vindicated.

I can understand being taken in by Luka's talent if you're a Mavs fan, but you have to admit he was also a whiny crybaby. Not the type of guy you really want out there leading the troops. Always fat, always hurt, always complaining.

Honestly there should have been red flags the moment he ran Carlisle out of town. Guy delivered the franchise it's only championship.

Are you loyal to the star or are you loyal to the team?

[Wardell Curry]

In hindsight I think the Mavs will be vindicated.

I can understand being taken in by Luka's talent if you're a Mavs fan, but you have to admit he was also a whiny crybaby. Not the type of guy you really want out there leading the troops. Always fat, always hurt, always complaining.

Honestly there should have been red flags the moment he ran Carlisle out of town. Guy delivered the franchise it's only championship.

Are you loyal to the star or are you loyal to the team?


They may or may not get vindicated for dumping him when they did. They will never be vindicated for that awful trade. Imagine that Kyrie and AD stay healthy and they go out in the first or second round. No Luka, no Flagg. Aging Kyire and AD.

It's insane how many people are looking at this the wrong way.

There is nothing you can do to escape the fact that it was probably the worst trade in NBA history, even if dumping Luka ends up being the right move. Even if that ends up being true it doesn't change the fact that the package they got back was indescribably bad compared to what they could have gotten. Rudy Gobert got 5 first round picks and you're telling me Luka gets aging AD + 1? lol

The NBA likely rigged the lottery for Dallas but the fact that they were in the lottery in the first place due to Kyrie and AD injuries was not some agreed upon thing ahead of time and the people that think this are idiots.

[Meticode]

Just wait until Nico trades Flagg. :D

[Axe]

lol you’re literally trying to justify the trade by comparing AD to Luka. Nowhere did you say the Mavs made an under the table deal with Silver for the rights to Flagg.
Lmao what an absolute dumbass. Extremely narcissistic as well. (https://i.ibb.co/gDsySW3/IMG-20230603-203842.jpg) :lol