Did Donald Trump just have the best day ever for a U.S. President?

[1987_Lakers]

No wonder the establishment tried to assassinate this man.

- China trade deal
- Lowered prescription drug costs by 30-80%
- Got an American hostage freed by Hamas
- Got Zelenskyy & Putin to meet on Thursday
- Got India and Pakistan to agree to a ceasefire

https://media.tenor.com/X1Y5BPCsys4AAAAM/donald-trump-dancing.gif

[Patrick Chewing]

A great day for the Don. A great day for America. Meanwhile, the Dems are raiding ICE facilities and attacking ICE officers? That can't be true. :lol

[diamenz]

i'm not even gonna front - i was wrong about the hostage deal earlier today. all of the credit goes to trump on this, along with steve witcoff for calling out israel in the process for wanting to prolong the war. the biden admin would have never done this.

[1987_Lakers]

i'm not even gonna front - i was wrong about the hostage deal earlier today. all of the credit goes to trump on this, along with steve witcoff for calling out israel in the process for wanting to prolong the war. the biden admin would have never done this.

https://media.tenor.com/SYGJY7vTPuEAAAAM/dave-chappelle-c-ome-here.gif

[TheMan]

A great day for the Don. A great day for America. Meanwhile, the Dems are raiding ICE facilities and attacking ICE officers? That can't be true. :lol

You finally got some internet privileges in that El Salvador gulag Trump sent ya to? :lol

Welcome back, cabron. Those Knicks gonna knock out Boston

[Lakers Legend#32]

Only if you're a MAGA and believe this FOX News spin.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Poopsie's guards allow him one post a day for every ten blowjobs.

[TheMan]

No wonder the establishment tried to assassinate this man.

- China trade deal
- Lowered prescription drug costs by 30-80%
- Got an American hostage freed by Hamas
- Got Zelenskyy & Putin to meet on Thursday
- Got India and Pakistan to agree to a ceasefire

https://media.tenor.com/X1Y5BPCsys4AAAAM/donald-trump-dancing.gif

There's no trade deal with China, they both agreed to lower their tariffs for 90 days while they negotiate, they might or might not agree on anything, which is reallllly great for businesses in America. Nothing like uncertainty to grow the economy!

[Jasper]

There's no trade deal with China, they both agreed to lower their tariffs for 90 days while they negotiate, they might or might not agree on anything, which is reallllly great for businesses in America. Nothing like uncertainty to grow the economy!

we will see how much megas spend during xmas

[Axe]

You finally got some internet privileges in that El Salvador gulag Trump sent ya to? :lol

Welcome back, cabron. Those Knicks gonna knock out Boston
Lmao.

[BurningHammer]

You finally got some internet privileges in that El Salvador gulag Trump sent ya to? :lol

Welcome back, cabron. Those Knicks gonna knock out Boston

:roll:

[BurningHammer]

- Lowered prescription drug costs by 30-80%
Last time Trump tried to do this, around the end of his first term, big pharma sued him.

- Got India and Pakistan to agree to a ceasefire
According to India, it's not Trump. (https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-india-disputes-trumps-claim-that-trade-incentives-led-to-the-india/)

[n00bie]

Trade deal with China.. aka go back to what it was before Trump's tariff war? Lol.

China called Trump bluff and he folded like we all knew he would.

[warriorfan]

Trade deal with China.. aka go back to what it was before Trump's tariff war? Lol.

China called Trump bluff and he folded like we all knew he would.

Look it’s the canadian ch1nk trying to fade america. Cool dude thinks for your two cents so we can immediately throw it into the trash can.

[TeflonDonTrump]

Trade deal with China.. aka go back to what it was before Trump's tariff war? Lol.

China called Trump bluff and he folded like we all knew he would.

Can you just be happy that trump is doing good for america?

[n00bie]

Look it’s the canadian ch1nk trying to fade america. Cool dude thinks for your two cents so we can immediately throw it into the trash can.

Throwing it in the trash can? Please, you saving up every penny you can get for that crack addiction.

[RRR3]

Throwing it in the trash can? Please, you saving up every penny you can get for that crack addiction.
:roll:

[1987_Lakers]

Forgot to add the annual inflation rate in April was the lowest since early 2021.

[Axe]

Trade deal with China.. aka go back to what it was before Trump's tariff war? Lol.

China called Trump bluff and he folded like we all knew he would.
It's like he was just pranking the rest of the world about it. Crazy ass man.


Throwing it in the trash can? Please, you saving up every penny you can get for that crack addiction.
:oldlol:

[Bill Gates]

So in your opinion, yesterday was the single best day that any US President has ever had in history?

[RRR3]

So in your opinion, yesterday was the single best day that any US President has ever had in history?
To be fair, he's incredibly stupid.

[Bill Gates]

To be fair, he's incredibly stupid.

:oldlol:

[1987_Lakers]

So in your opinion, yesterday was the single best day that any US President has ever had in history?

Yes

[1987_Lakers]

Forgot to add the annual inflation rate in April was the lowest since early 2021.

Ignored by Trump haters. lol

[TheMan]

Throwing it in the trash can? Please, you saving up every penny you can get for that crack addiction.

:lol

[TheMan]

Ignored by Trump haters. lol

When Biden was president?

You also kept ignoring that China actually increased it's exports last month by year to year comparison by 8.1% in your other troll thread...but yeah sure kid, Trump outsmarted China :oldlol:

[TheMan]

To be fair, he's incredibly stupid.

I believe he's trolling. I know I'm giving him the benefit the doubt but I don't think he's THAT stupid, I mean I could be wrong though. He does cite goofy YouTube MAGA retards as his main sources so you're probably right :lol

[1987_Lakers]

Putin skipped the peace talks today, but now an Iran nuclear deal is close.

We stay winning fam.

I’ve never in my lifetime seen a president get so much done in such little time.

[ZenMaster]

When Biden was president?

You also kept ignoring that China actually increased it's exports last month by year to year comparison by 8.1% in your other troll thread...but yeah sure kid, Trump outsmarted China :oldlol:

Companies buying more of whatever they need in the last order just before new tariffs kick in is the most natural thing they could do. How are you even getting tricked by such stupid talking points that this 8.1% April YoY increase is indicative of anything other than that? :oldlol:

[TheMan]

Companies buying more of whatever they need in the last order just before new tariffs kick in is the most natural thing they could do. How are you even getting tricked by such stupid talking points that this 8.1% April YoY increase is indicative of anything other than that? :oldlol:

Look at the other thread, they made it up by selling to more markets, that was the majority of where they increased their exports, especially to Latin America and India. Keep up.

[ZenMaster]

Look at the other thread, they made it up by selling to more markets, that was the majority of where they increased their exports, especially to Latin America and India. Keep up.

They didn't start to magically sell more to other markets the moment Trump announced tariffs. They were already in a heavy growth spurt, with March exports being up 12% YoY, that number dropped to 8.1% in April. The fact that China exports can grow this much YoY is another argument for why tariffs are needed btw.

They also didn't increase that number "just by selling to more markets", e.g exports to the EU rose by 8% in the same period and they were already selling to India as well obviously.

[TheMan]

They didn't start to magically sell more to other markets the moment Trump announced tariffs. They were already in a heavy growth spurt, with March exports being up 12% YoY, that number dropped to 8.1% in April. The fact that China exports can grow this much YoY is another argument for why tariffs are needed btw.

They also didn't increase that number "just by selling to more markets", e.g exports to the EU rose by 8% in the same period and they were already selling to India as well obviously.

So what was the point of tariffs again? Better trade deal or bring back US manufacturers :confusedshrug:

I remember "short term pain, long term pain" but now it's about a better deal with China because Trump idiotically thinks a trade deficit means we're getting ripped off.

Which is it?

[ZenMaster]

So what was the point of tariffs again? Better trade deal or bring back US manufacturers :confusedshrug:

I remember "short term pain, long term pain" but now it's about a better deal with China because Trump idiotically thinks a trade deficit means we're getting ripped off.

Which is it?

The hell you mean "which is it?" These things are connected..

The tariffs are the trade deals so to speak, they're the essence of those deals and a better trade deal with China means higher tariffs on products exported from China to the US without China putting higher tariffs on products exported from the US into China.

Higher tariffs make the product more expensive for the importer, which makes locally produced products in the US more relevant and thus helps US manufacturing.

[rawimpact]

The hell you mean "which is it?" These things are connected..

The tariffs are the trade deals so to speak, they're the essence of those deals and a better trade deal with China means higher tariffs on products exported from China to the US without China putting higher tariffs on products exported from the US into China.

Higher tariffs make the product more expensive for the importer, which makes locally produced products in the US more relevant and thus helps US manufacturing.


If you have to explain such elementary things to people, one would argue you're just as dumb to even entertain a conversation. Some posters are better ignored IMO. Just saying...

[TheMan]

The hell you mean "which is it?" These things are connected..

The tariffs are the trade deals so to speak, they're the essence of those deals and a better trade deal with China means higher tariffs on products exported from China to the US without China putting higher tariffs on products exported from the US into China.

Higher tariffs make the product more expensive for the importer, which makes locally produced products in the US more relevant and thus helps US manufacturing.

So let's make everything more expensive, right.

That's gonna go over well with the American people :applause:

[TheMan]

If you have to explain such elementary things to people, one would argue you're just as dumb to even entertain a conversation. Some posters are better ignored IMO. Just saying...

I bet you were complaining about inflation under Biden.

[diamenz]

The hell you mean "which is it?" These things are connected..

The tariffs are the trade deals so to speak, they're the essence of those deals and a better trade deal with China means higher tariffs on products exported from China to the US without China putting higher tariffs on products exported from the US into China.

Higher tariffs make the product more expensive for the importer, which makes locally produced products in the US more relevant and thus helps US manufacturing.

but the tariffs are off now. we're back at square one in the same place we were before liberation day.
there's no long term strategy. it's all bluster on the part of the trump administration. plus prices are gonna continue to ho up, of which i'm sure i don't have to tell you, will never go back down.

why do you continue to be so optimistic about this without question?

[TheMan]

but the tariffs are off now. we're back at square one in the same place we were before liberation day.
there's no long term strategy. it's all bluster on the part of the trump administration. plus prices are gonna continue to ho up, of which i'm sure i don't have to tell you, will never go back down.

why do you continue to be so optimistic about this without question?

Because he's in a cult, and part of being in a cult is believing Dear Leader can do no wrong.

[1987_Lakers]

but the tariffs are off now. we're back at square one in the same place we were before liberation day.
there's no long term strategy. it's all bluster on the part of the trump administration. plus prices are gonna continue to ho up, of which i'm sure i don't have to tell you, will never go back down.

why do you continue to be so optimistic about this without question?
Not true. Still have a 30% tariff on China

[diamenz]

Not true. Still have a 30% tariff on China

that's 20% is fentanyl and it's not going to last, at all. you've either been fooled or are attempting to fool others. the original china tariffs still stand. nothing has changed.

[ZenMaster]

but the tariffs are off now. we're back at square one in the same place we were before liberation day.
there's no long term strategy. it's all bluster on the part of the trump administration. plus prices are gonna continue to ho up, of which i'm sure i don't have to tell you, will never go back down.

why do you continue to be so optimistic about this without question?

That's just not true at all.

Prior to 2016, average tariffs on China were below 3%. Trump got that number up to around 19% during his first term and it stayed there during Biden. Today, with the terms agreed by China(and what you call back to square one) until they make a permanent deal, the average tariff of Chinese products exported to the US is at 51%, while the same number for China going the other way is 32%(up from 21%).

Vs the rest of the world, the average tariff is almost 12% today, up from 3% prior to the second term of the orange man.

https://www.piie.com/research/piie-charts/2019/us-china-trade-war-tariffs-date-chart

I'm optimistic because for a lot of businesses it's going to make sense to produce in the US instead, and for the ones where it doesn't they get to pay some tax instead.
You say that's going to make everything even more expensive, but companies will never be able to forward those expenses at a 1:1 ratio and the people most affected by any potential increase in everyday products are also the one's who benefit the most from more middle class jobs.
It's also up to government to lower expenses for the middle and lower class, like lesser taxes. I know it's popular to say that "Trump will give tax breaks and enrich all his rich friends", but let's see what happens and if he's not going to do something to help regular people out - he's certainly currently pissing off any of his buddies importing from China.
He's also trying to deport 20-30 million people, many of whom work at terrible salaries and because of their legal status can only find lower end jobs, helping to bring down the average wage and certainly not helping regular Americans.

[TheMan]

That's just not true at all.

Prior to 2016, average tariffs on China were below 3%. Trump got that number up to around 19% during his first term and it stayed there during Biden. Today, with the terms agreed by China(and what you call back to square one) until they make a permanent deal, the average tariff of Chinese products exported to the US is at 51%, while the same number for China going the other way is 32%(up from 21%).

Vs the rest of the world, the average tariff is almost 12% today, up from 3% prior to the second term of the orange man.

https://www.piie.com/research/piie-charts/2019/us-china-trade-war-tariffs-date-chart

I'm optimistic because for a lot of businesses it's going to make sense to produce in the US instead, and for the ones where it doesn't they get to pay some tax instead.
You say that's going to make everything even more expensive, but companies will never be able to forward those expenses at a 1:1 ratio and the people most affected by any potential increase in everyday products are also the one's who benefit the most from more middle class jobs.
It's also up to government to lower expenses for the middle and lower class, like lesser taxes. I know it's popular to say that "Trump will give tax breaks and enrich all his rich friends", but let's see what happens and if he's not going to do something to help regular people out - he's certainly currently pissing off any of his buddies importing from China.
He's also trying to deport 20-30 million people, many of whom work at terrible salaries and because of their legal status can only find lower end jobs, helping to bring down the average wage and certainly not helping regular Americans.

When none of which you wrote happens, only the everything is more expensive happens... remember this thread, pal. And the Democrats with complete control of all the levers of power despite their ineptitude...

[diamenz]

That's just not true at all.

Prior to 2016, average tariffs on China were below 3%. Trump got that number up to around 19% during his first term and it stayed there during Biden. Today, with the terms agreed by China(and what you call back to square one) until they make a permanent deal, the average tariff of Chinese products exported to the US is at 51%, while the same number for China going the other way is 32%(up from 21%).

Vs the rest of the world, the average tariff is almost 12% today, up from 3% prior to the second term of the orange man.

https://www.piie.com/research/piie-charts/2019/us-china-trade-war-tariffs-date-chart

I'm optimistic because for a lot of businesses it's going to make sense to produce in the US instead, and for the ones where it doesn't they get to pay some tax instead.
You say that's going to make everything even more expensive, but companies will never be able to forward those expenses at a 1:1 ratio and the people most affected by any potential increase in everyday products are also the one's who benefit the most from more middle class jobs.
It's also up to government to lower expenses for the middle and lower class, like lesser taxes. I know it's popular to say that "Trump will give tax breaks and enrich all his rich friends", but let's see what happens and if he's not going to do something to help regular people out - he's certainly currently pissing off any of his buddies importing from China.
He's also trying to deport 20-30 million people, many of whom work at terrible salaries and because of their legal status can only find lower end jobs, helping to bring down the average wage and certainly not helping regular Americans.

well you seem far more well versed than i am on this so i'm not even gonna bother arguing at this point. still not on board with all of this but i'm eager to see where it goes.

[ZenMaster]

When none of which you wrote happens, only the everything is more expensive happens... remember this thread, pal. And the Democrats with complete control of all the levers of power despite their ineptitude...

You're right that the establishment might be successful in blocking deportations or not getting through the Trump EO on lower pharma pricing, or maybe Trump won't lower taxes for regular people or pay off national debt, but everything would get more expensive regardless at the very least. Global open border financial politics is designed around a constant increase.

[diamenz]

until they make a permanent deal, the average tariff of Chinese products exported to the US is at 51%, while the same number for China going the other way is 32%(up from 21%).



wait, isn't this % difference what i've been talking about recently? that 20% is the fentanyl tariff, is it not?

[RRR3]

You're right that the establishment might be successful in blocking deportations or not getting through the Trump EO on lower pharma pricing, or maybe Trump won't lower taxes for regular people or pay off national debt, but everything would get more expensive regardless at the very least. Global open border financial politics is designed around a constant increase.
"Establishment" Y'all literally control the entire government, you can't keep blaming the Democrats if they don't have power :hammerhead:

[ZenMaster]

wait, isn't this % difference what i've been talking about recently? that 20% is the fentanyl tariff, is it not?

I don't know what you mean by the fentanyl tariff, I gave you a link that has all tariffs update pretty cut and dry. From it you get the following information:

The average tariff on Chines products exported to the US used to be 3%. A lot of product wasn't tariffed at all while other stuff were tariffed higher, coming to a total average of 3%.
Today, everything is tariffed at least 10% and a lot of stuff much higher, coming to a total average of 51%.

Rest of world also used to be 3%, now it's 11.7%.

A total average of 3% tariff is very low, it's what Trump meant when he was on Oprah in 88 claiming politicians had sold out the US population with terrible deals. It's what Sanders has spoken about in congress many times, that the US worker has no protection and the politicians has sold them out. They were both right.


"Establishment" Y'all literally control the entire government, you can't keep blaming the Democrats if they don't have power :hammerhead:

I don't know what you mean by "ya'll", but there are plenty of legacy politicians on both sides who'd prefer illegal immigrants not to be deported because they profit heavily from their donors being able to pay lower wages. Same thing with pharma, if lots politicians didn't want prices to remain high, we wouldn't need a Trump EO to bring them down.

[diamenz]

you don't 'know what i mean' by the fentanyl tariff!? you've been on this thing like white on rice since it's inception and you're gonna sit there with a straight face and tell me that? you're shooting down your credibility here zen. you're either being intentionally disingenuous here or you've been played.

look, china still has a 10% tariff on us, across the board, as do we mutually. so that's ten and ten. plus the extra twenty percent fentanyl tariff, which... i shouldn't have to tell you is insignificant and is not going to last. you'd be a fool to think otherwisr. so it's not our 30% to their 10%. that's just a misleading spin.

that's why i said we're in that same boat we started in. whatever unfair trade practices that china had on us prior to liberation day are still there. following that, nothing was gained in our part.

[ZenMaster]

you don't 'know what i mean' by the fentanyl tariff!? you've been on this thing like white on rice since it's inception and you're gonna sit there with a straight face and tell me that? you're shooting down your credibility here zen. you're either being intentionally disingenuous here or you've been played.

OK so the first new set of China tariffs, sorry but I've convinced higher tariffs were needed for a long time, so I don't care what gimmicky name Trump came up with to try and convince more people it's the right move.


look, china still has a 10% tariff on us, across the board, as do we mutually. so that's ten and ten. plus the extra twenty percent fentanyl tariff, which... i shouldn't have to tell you is insignificant and is not going to last. you'd be a fool to think otherwisr. so it's not our 30% to their 10%. that's just a misleading spin.
that's why i said we're in that same boat we started in. whatever unfair trade practices that china had on us prior to liberation day are still there. following that, nothing was gained in our part.


Read what I wrote in my last post again please, when you count up all the tariffs on all the stuff getting exported from China to the US, the average product is is currently tariffed 51% and the average on products going from US to China is 32% - it's not 30 and 10.
Sure there's a 10% base on each side now, but at lot of stuff is tariffed much higher. And 10% on each side isn't the same as before either where a lot of stuff had 0%, it's far from prior to the situation before April 2nd.

I'm confused why you think the extra twenty percent fentanyl tariff is insignificant, it's the tariff that set the whole thing off as China immediately upped theirs as well. You're right that it's temporary though, all of this is until Trump and Xi agree on a new deal.

[diamenz]

OK so the first new set of China tariffs, sorry but I've convinced higher tariffs were needed for a long time, so I don't care what gimmicky name Trump came up with to try and convince more people it's the right move.



Read what I wrote in my last post again please, when you count up all the tariffs on all the stuff getting exported from China to the US, the average product is is currently tariffed 51% and the average on products going from US to China is 32% - it's not 30 and 10.
Sure there's a 10% base on each side now, but at lot of stuff is tariffed much higher. And 10% on each side isn't the same as before either where a lot of stuff had 0%, it's far from prior to the situation before April 2nd.

I'm confused why you think the extra twenty percent fentanyl tariff is insignificant, it's the tariff that set the whole thing off as China immediately upped theirs as well. You're right that it's temporary though, all of this is until Trump and Xi agree on a new deal.

because it's not there to stay. i shouldn't have to tell you that.

you and i going back and forth on this right now doesn't make much sense to be honest and i think you'd agree with me. it'd be most productive having this conversation later on in the game, when things have settled, the trade war is over and a final deal has been made. it would be fairer to the president to do so as well. i think we're both just caught up in the moment and the moment doesn't matter in the grand scheme of it all. fair?

[marLeY baLL]

dxm

[ZenMaster]

because it's not there to stay. i shouldn't have to tell you that.

you and i going back and forth on this right now doesn't make much sense to be honest and i think you'd agree with me. it'd be most productive having this conversation later on in the game, when things have settled, the trade war is over and a final deal has been made. it would be fairer to the president to do so as well. i think we're both just caught up in the moment and the moment doesn't matter in the grand scheme of it all. fair?

Going to have to disagree with you a little bit there bro. I'm not caught up in the moment and never have been, my angle into these threads about tariffs have from the start been to tell others to calm down. Like OTC and Bill Gates going crazy about how "money is wiped out from the market" like it was put into some digital shredder, or TheMan who comes here with fake stories about how tariffs aren't only not working, they're actually helping China to sell more.
I think these are things you got caught up in a little bit, to a point where you can't even see how everything from China being tariffed at least 10% is super significant, because A LOT more product moves from China to the US than from the US to China and a lot of it used to be not tariffed at all.
From the start I've been saying that this stuff will take a while and it's not something to just fix in a week, as you literally have other countries trying to work against it.

[diamenz]

I think these are things you got caught up in a little bit

i probably do. we all do to some extent. some more than others like you said.



From the start I've been saying that this stuff will take a while and it's not something to just fix in a week, as you literally have other countries trying to work against it.

we'll just have to wait and see then. no passive aggression behind that statement either. cheers bro.

[ZenMaster]

i probably do. we all do to some extent. some more than others like you said.



we'll just have to wait and see then. no passive aggression behind that statement either. cheers bro.

:cheers: It should all be OK, and if the tariff thing doesn't work out then it's right back to the same system we already had, which guys like OTC and Bill Gates say is the best possible.

[Jasper]

not here in Wisc.

Gas prices are going up ...

and heard that Tariff's (china) has 50% less coming into USA , and soon shelves will be possibly empty.

Food has not dropped but has stalled or have gone up ...

What is good about this prez ??

On top of that he has lined up his dictatorship , which most do not realize.