guys that DIDNT need more help (won series vs top 5 SRS team w/ bed-wetting sidekick)

[3ba11]

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List of players that beat top 5 SRS team with weak scoring & efficiency from sidekick:



1989 MJ vs #1 SRS Cavs........ 15.0 on 40% from Pippen
1996 MJ vs #2 SRS Sonics..... 15.7 on 34% from Pippen
1997 MJ vs #4 SRS Heat.........16.6 on 38% from Pippen
1998 MJ vs #4 SRS Pacers..... 16.6 on 39% from Pippen
1998 MJ vs ,#2 SRS Jazz........ 15.7 on 41% from Pippen


Wow... Is MJ the only guy that did it?

[3ba11]

Duncan 2003 Finals and Wade 2006 Finals is all I can find aside from MJ doing it 5 times.

[Meticode]

Wow... Is MJ the only guy that did it?

I guess not. :lol

[3ba11]

I guess not. :lol


Did Lebron ever do it?... Did he ever carry weak help over top teams?

Or does history show that he's too ball-dominant at carry-job volume to beat top teams, and therefore needs all-time scoring help?? And this includes 1st options and franchise players from other teams to play 2nd and 3rd option??

[Meticode]

Did Lebron ever do it?... Did he ever carry weak help over top teams?

Or does history show that he's too ball-dominant at carry-job volume to beat top teams, and therefore needs all-time scoring help?? And this includes 1st options and franchise players from other teams to play 2nd and 3rd option??

I have no idea. I care about LeBron less than you do.

[3ba11]

I have no idea. I care about LeBron less than you do.


The point is that if I thought someone was goat, I would at least want to know if they could carry weak help over top teams

[Meticode]

The point is that if I thought someone was goat, I would at least want to know if they could carry weak help over top teams

I don't really care. :oldlol:

[Duffy Pratt]

When the Rockets beat the Knicks, Mad Max was their second leading scorer with 13.4 ppg on 36% shooting. Either it’s making Pippen look like a stud — or it’s the 90s. Hakeem also did it against Phoenix that year.

When Barry won with the Warriors, Jamal Wilkes was the second leading scorer with 11.5. Barry also did it against the Bulls.

In Bird’s first championship, he was the second leading scorer with 15.3 (guess he shit the bed).

Duncan’s first finals, Robinson was second with 16.6.

Shaq’s first finals, Kobe was 2nd with 15.6.

This is just finals, I didn’t look back earlier than med 70s, or after 2001. But it looks like it’s at least not uncommon. Not going to go into other playoff series. Your point here is just stupid.

[3ba11]

When the Rockets beat the Knicks, Mad Max was their second leading scorer with 13.4 ppg on 36% shooting. Either it’s making Pippen look like a stud — or it’s the 90s. Hakeem also did it against Phoenix that year.

When Barry won with the Warriors, Jamal Wilkes was the second leading scorer with 11.5. Barry also did it against the Bulls.

In Bird’s first championship, he was the second leading scorer with 15.3 (guess he shit the bed).

Duncan’s first finals, Robinson was second with 16.6.

Shaq’s first finals, Kobe was 2nd with 15.6.

This is just finals, I didn’t look back earlier than med 70s, or after 2001. But it looks like it’s at least not uncommon. Not going to go into other playoff series. Your point here is just stupid.


The 00' Pacers weren't a top 5 SRS team, so that eliminates your Shaq example.

The only legit example that you gave was Hakeem in the 94' Finals, so that's it.

Your Duncan example from 1999 was bogus because their only top 5 SRS opponent was the Blazers, where Robinson led Duncan in scoring.

I didn't bother look up your rick barry example because that's 2-pointer basketball and not modern era... so again, you only provided 1 example...

to summarize, there are a small handful of one-offs like 06' Wade, 03' Duncan, and 94' Hakeem.... And then there's Jordan doing it 5 different times

[Duffy Pratt]

Eliminating earlier era ball is BS, and you only do it so you don’t have to deal with Wilt.

And getting to the finals is enough to show you are a top team, unless the league is utterly unbalanced. You can always come up with stupid, arbitrary rules to make it look like you are actually saying something. Go watch some of the Barry finals so you can get an idea of what it means to carry a team.

[SouBeachTalents]

Eliminating earlier era ball is BS, and you only do it so you don’t have to deal with Wilt.

And getting to the finals is enough to show you are a top team, unless the league is utterly unbalanced. You can always come up with stupid, arbitrary rules to make it look like you are actually saying something. Go watch some of the Barry finals so you can get an idea of what it means to carry a team.
This sums up OP's entire posting history :lol

[3ba11]

Eliminating earlier era ball is BS, and you only do it so you don’t have to deal with Wilt.

And getting to the finals is enough to show you are a top team, unless the league is utterly unbalanced. You can always come up with stupid, arbitrary rules to make it look like you are actually saying something. Go watch some of the Barry finals so you can get an idea of what it means to carry a team.


Top 5 SRS teams is a big sample... I didn't say #1 SRS teams - I said top 5 to provide a big sample.

So quit complaining... history shows that aside from a tiny handful of one-offs, ONLY MJ carried weak stats from teammates over top teams

That's the historical record.. Now go cry some more or find some more examples... Oh wait.. there aren't any.. There's a few one-offs and then MJ did it a bunch.. That's it.. goat gonna goat.a