Shai is basically Kobe with better efficency. How do ISH community hate him?

[k0kakw0rld]

3 straight seasons averaging 29 ppg on 50+% FG.

[StrongLurk]

No one denies his skill, he's just incredibly lame to a lot of people, including me. I just don't really like watching him play. Kobe was more exciting.

[warriorfan]

Sgay is basically a smaller, slower, weaker, and more gay kobe

Sgay would have taken it prison style if he played in the early 2000’s

[ShawkFactory]

Sgay is basically a smaller, slower, weaker, and more gay kobe

Sgay would have taken it prison style if he played in the early 2000’s

He’s definitely taller than Kobe was. Better shooter too.

[Full Court]

He’s definitely taller than Kobe was. Better shooter too.

And so far, a better human being.

[tpols]

He’s definitely taller than Kobe was. Better shooter too.

Hes incredibly physically unimposing as an athlete compared to Kobe. I encourage people to check out Kobes dunk mixtapes, there almost on par with Vince Carter.

[ShawkFactory]

Hes incredibly physically unimposing as an athlete compared to Kobe. I encourage people to check out Kobes dunk mixtapes, there almost on par with Vince Carter.

Insecure, much? I know that Kobe had strengths over Shai as well.

I just listed two small things that Shai is better at....

Everything is okay.

[Baller234]

If you think SGA is a better basketball player than Kobe this early in his career without winning a single championship please log off and never discuss basketball again.

Thanks.

[Carbine]

What a crazy thing to say OP.

You're basically saying SGA is Jordan, because Kobe is essentially a less efficient MJ.

I don't think people hate him, he just doesn't pass the eye test to a lot of people when he's being compared to the best of the best.

28/6/6 in the playoffs on 57 TS is fine. It's not something I haven't seen 100 times.

He's actually not having a remarkable post season run what so ever currently. I'd say it has been underwhelming, which is why nobody is ****ing with him to that degree right now.

His playoff PER is down 20 percent vs Regular season

His PPG is down 4

TS% is down 7 percent

BPM and WS/ are all down significantly across the board.

If it keeps up it would be an amazing story for OKC, but an underwhelming superstar playoff run by the lofty standards of comparing him to Kobe, let alone the LeBron's and MJs and Stephs, Magics, etc of the world where they INCREASED the standards of which they played.

[SouBeachTalents]

What a crazy thing to say OP.

You're basically saying SGA is Jordan, because Kobe is essentially a less efficient MJ.

I don't think people hate him, he just doesn't pass the eye test to a lot of people when he's being compared to the best of the best.

28/6/6 in the playoffs on 57 TS is fine. It's not something I haven't seen 100 times.

He's actually not having a remarkable post season run what so ever currently. I'd say it has been underwhelming, which is why nobody is ****ing with him to that degree right now.

His playoff PER is down 20 percent vs Regular season

His PPG is down 4

TS% is down 7 percent

BPM and WS/ are all down significantly across the board.

If it keeps up it would be an amazing story for OKC, but an underwhelming superstar playoff run by the lofty standards of comparing him to Kobe, let alone the LeBron's and MJs and Stephs, Magics, etc of the world where they INCREASED the standards of which they played.
This is such a strange post when SGA's average you referenced is virtually identical to what Kobe averaged in every deep playoff run in his career. I know it's different eras, though these playoffs have not been very offensive friendly, and I think Kobe is better by the eye test.

But literally arguing that SGA's stat line doesn't match the "lofty standards" of Kobe's, or Curry's, when it's virtually identical to theirs is just a bizarre argument to make.

[ImKobe]

Not in these POs. His efficiency is same as Kobe's with less PPG. Kobe was the best player in the league and in the POs a bunch of seasons in his career, we have yet to see SGA do that, but he has a chance to prove it in these POs.

[Overdrive]

What a crazy thing to say OP.

You're basically saying SGA is Jordan, because Kobe is essentially a less efficient MJ.

I don't think people hate him, he just doesn't pass the eye test to a lot of people when he's being compared to the best of the best.

28/6/6 in the playoffs on 57 TS is fine. It's not something I haven't seen 100 times.

He's actually not having a remarkable post season run what so ever currently. I'd say it has been underwhelming, which is why nobody is ****ing with him to that degree right now.

His playoff PER is down 20 percent vs Regular season

His PPG is down 4

TS% is down 7 percent

BPM and WS/ are all down significantly across the board.

If it keeps up it would be an amazing story for OKC, but an underwhelming superstar playoff run by the lofty standards of comparing him to Kobe, let alone the LeBron's and MJs and Stephs, Magics, etc of the world where they INCREASED the standards of which they played.

28/6/6 a hundred times?

[90sgoat]

Shai is a like mix of James Harden and Rip Hamilton.

He has a very impressive midrange game, which truly is impressive, all time great, but his flopping and pushing off is lame and won't make him popular.

[04mzwach]

Kobe was an exciting player and Shai is boring. Thats about what it comes down to because otherwise people would be hyping up Shai a lot more if they found him entertaining. ANT is far more exciting and he's the Kobe type player the people want. ANT is the more efficient Kobe you speak of. He's posterizing players every month, dropping 40+ points, hitting game winner and talking slick in interviews. What more can you ask for? I remember thinking Shai was like Kobe but then ANT enters the fray.

[Phoenix]

Kobe's efficiency would be better in this era and Shai's worse in the 2000s/2010s. The defense in 2001, hell even the defense in the mid 2000's after they changed the perimeter rules, is light years from today. Granted, Shai's shot selection is overall better and that is a contributing factor, because Kobe's TS% could have been better even back then with more conscientious shot-taking, but it was part of what made him who he was, for better or worse. Kobe was also on a completely different tier athletically and could better impose himself physically if need be( not to the degree of peak MJ, but certainly moreso than SGA).

[tpols]

Watching ball today kinda feel like I was spoiled by so many great athletes back then. SGA is a great player but he has like maybe derozan level athleticism. Kobe was slamming on the twin towers Duncan and Robinson averaging 29/7/6 on elite 116 ORTG for the whole 2001 playoffs in an era that had the most depressed numbers in history.

I'm a huge jokic fan but I honestly shudder at what Kobe would do to him. Straight posterized over and over. Nobody in today's game has balls attacking the rim like Kobe Vince Tmac etc. Maybe ant but he looks tiny compared to them and is poor man version in that regard.

[Wardell Curry]

Sgay is basically a smaller, slower, weaker, and more gay kobe

Sgay would have taken it prison style if he played in the early 2000’s

:roll:

[BarberSchool]

Watching ball today kinda feel like I was spoiled by so many great athletes back then. SGA is a great player but he has like maybe derozan level athleticism. Kobe was slamming on the twin towers Duncan and Robinson averaging 29/7/6 on elite 116 ORTG for the whole 2001 playoffs in an era that had the most depressed numbers in history.

I'm a huge jokic fan but I honestly shudder at what Kobe would do to him. Straight posterized over and over. Nobody in today's game has balls attacking the rim like Kobe Vince Tmac etc. Maybe ant but he looks tiny compared to them and is poor man version in that regard.

Agree with this wholeheartedly.

Also agree with earlier poster, that to most people, his game is lame. As good as we acknowledge Shai Dildos-Alexander is at basketball, his game ain’t inspiring, it lacks any wow factor. His scoring, defense are very good, very smart. But nothing jumps off the page besides his numbers. Even his highlight reel dunks are pedestrian AF.

Couple that, with the fact he moves soft and dainty, looks like a woman with a goatee, has arms that many high schoolers could thrash in an arm wrestling contest….and often holds his arms in those weird f@ggy soft swaying motions … I’m not surprised the public doesn’t like him as much as advertisers want them to, since they are openly demanding (thru proxy media talking heads) for there to be a definitive “FACE OF THE LEAGUE”.

Reality is, there isn’t a definitive face of the league right now, and advertisers will have to choose spokespeople with more tact, per product, instead of just using one singular universally loved figure, to take the easy way out. Get creative you fu@king lazy bums. You call yourselves creatives, think of yourselves as clever… live up to it.

[BarberSchool]

No one denies his skill, he's just incredibly lame to a lot of people, including me. I just don't really like watching him play. Kobe was more exciting.
Bingo.

[AlternativeAcc.]

28/6/6 a hundred times?

It's 29/6/6 on 59% TS, that's with an atrocious start vs. Memphis. He's just started heating up in the latter part of the Den series.

[BarberSchool]

Hes incredibly physically unimposing as an athlete compared to Kobe. I encourage people to check out Kobes dunk mixtapes, there almost on par with Vince Carter.While Shai uses his off hand and momentum to push off every single possession, and while he does get to the bucket ALOT, nothing he does physically jumps off the screen, his drives are more slippery than athletic/explosive. That’s fine, he’s a really good player. But when we actually watch him …. Extremely unimpressive, visually/physically.

[Keno]

No one denies his skill, he's just incredibly lame to a lot of people, including me. I just don't really like watching him play. Kobe was more exciting.

pretty much this, constent flopping and free throw merchant.

[JohnnySic]

He is like a sg version of Tim Duncan. Duncan was an arguable top-10 player of all time but was always underappreciated. NBA fans are goofy. They dont care about effectiveness and winning basketball, they want highlight reel plays and "iconic moments". Very strong WWE like flavor with the fan base.

[k0kakw0rld]

What a crazy thing to say OP.

You're basically saying SGA is Jordan, because Kobe is essentially a less efficient MJ.

I don't think people hate him, he just doesn't pass the eye test to a lot of people when he's being compared to the best of the best.

28/6/6 in the playoffs on 57 TS is fine. It's not something I haven't seen 100 times.

He's actually not having a remarkable post season run what so ever currently. I'd say it has been underwhelming, which is why nobody is ****ing with him to that degree right now.

His playoff PER is down 20 percent vs Regular season

His PPG is down 4

TS% is down 7 percent

BPM and WS/ are all down significantly across the board.

If it keeps up it would be an amazing story for OKC, but an underwhelming superstar playoff run by the lofty standards of comparing him to Kobe, let alone the LeBron's and MJs and Stephs, Magics, etc of the world where they INCREASED the standards of which they played.
The objective isn't for him to average monster numbers. But to end up winning a ring. OKC didn't really need him against Memphis. But he showed up vs the Nuggets.

[Wardell Curry]

The objective isn't for him to average monster numbers. But to end up winning a ring. OKC didn't really need him against Memphis. But he showed up vs the Nuggets.

You're as gay as FTA.

[j3lademaster]

Something about players who drive with no intention of making a shot and it's all just to draw fouls.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTIk2pt-M9A&ab_channel=HouseofHighlights

This is just one example of no one touching him, defenses actively trying to avoid contact with him. He could have just hit an easy shot, he caused his own miss by trying to flop. It's the same reason no one liked Harden or Embiid.

[Wardell Curry]

Something about players who drive with no intention of making a shot and it's all just to draw fouls.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTIk2pt-M9A&ab_channel=HouseofHighlights

This is just one example of no one touching him, defenses actively trying to avoid contact with him. He could have just hit an easy shot, he caused his own miss by trying to flop. It's the same reason no one liked Harden or Embiid.

Facts - when you start missing shots that would be easily makeable because you're so busy trying to hunt for contact, you are a giant piece of shit whose actual skill level will never be accurately reflected in a boxscore. You're just a dishonest piece of shit.

[3ba11]

Watching ball today kinda feel like I was spoiled by so many great athletes back then. SGA is a great player but he has like maybe derozan level athleticism. Kobe was slamming on the twin towers Duncan and Robinson averaging 29/7/6 on elite 116 ORTG for the whole 2001 playoffs in an era that had the most depressed numbers in history.

I'm a huge jokic fan but I honestly shudder at what Kobe would do to him. Straight posterized over and over. Nobody in today's game has balls attacking the rim like Kobe Vince Tmac etc. Maybe ant but he looks tiny compared to them and is poor man version in that regard.


this

and kobe could play in a system because of his scoring diversity, while Shai has today's "downhill" PNR skillset (hot garbage compared to prior eras).. He'll never have a great team/dynasty with that skillset, and it's why he needed 7 to beat Jokic (who is officially out of my top 10 - today's format nullifies the value of big stat - triple-double means literally nothing and could be bad/suboptimal)

[BarberSchool]

facts - when you start missing shots that would be easily makeable because you're so busy trying to hunt for contact, you are a giant piece of shit whose actual skill level will never be accurately reflected in a boxscore. You're just a dishonest piece of shit.

p r e a c h

[Soundwave]

He reminds me more of Penny Hardaway but more of a scorer and less of the high end passing ability Penny had.

[3ba11]

Facts - when you start missing shots that would be easily makeable because you're so busy trying to hunt for contact, you are a giant piece of shit whose actual skill level will never be accurately reflected in a boxscore. You're just a dishonest piece of shit.


Boom

[90sgoat]

I think his automatic midrange jumper has some entertainment value, not unlike Kawhi, but overall a boring team.

[k0kakw0rld]

Kobe's efficiency would be better in this era and Shai's worse in the 2000s/2010s. The defense in 2001, hell even the defense in the mid 2000's after they changed the perimeter rules, is light years from today. Granted, Shai's shot selection is overall better and that is a contributing factor, because Kobe's TS% could have been better even back then with more conscientious shot-taking, but it was part of what made him who he was, for better or worse. Kobe was also on a completely different tier athletically and could better impose himself physically if need be( not to the degree of peak MJ, but certainly moreso than SGA).
You need to chill lol players adjust to their era.

[warriorfan]

You need to chill lol players adjust to their era.

Sgay would adjust to being a sixth man off the bench in the 2000’s

[BarberSchool]

He reminds me more of Penny Hardaway but more of a scorer and less of the high end passing ability Penny had.They both have very slight builds, but Penny was taller, longer, stronger (while still fairly weak), and overall vastly more athletic. Penny would posterize your center with the best dunk of the month. Shai never done anything close to that.

[Phoenix]

You need to chill lol players adjust to their era.

I don't need to do anything. I didn't say SGA wouldn't be good in Kobe's era. MVP level, 30+ a game though? Don't see it.

[red1]

kobe had more swag and aggression but as far as basketball meaning whats actually happening on the court - you can tell shai clearly studied him and copied a lot of of his best qualities




dude is the modern kobe not tatum

[TheImmortal]

Shai is a nice player and all.. but he not on Kobe's level. Lacks explosion, first step, athleticism, aura, and the aesthetic pull-up jumpshot among others.

[j3lademaster]

Shai is a nice player and all.. but he not on Kobe's level. Lacks explosion, first step, athleticism, aura, and the aesthetic pull-up jumpshot among others.

Have to disagree on the jumpshot part. Shai has as perfect looking of a jumpshot as anyone ever.

[Keno]

Facts - when you start missing shots that would be easily makeable because you're so busy trying to hunt for contact, you are a giant piece of shit whose actual skill level will never be accurately reflected in a boxscore. You're just a dishonest piece of shit.

Just curious, what did you think of Houston Harden years?

[Axe]

You're as gay as FTA.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/image.php?u=827668&dateline=1624237688&type=thumb (https://i.ibb.co/LzPkqxg/IMG-20220801-093714.jpg)

[Wardell Curry]

Just curious, what did you think of Houston Harden years?

He deserved to burn in hell.

[04mzwach]

10/27 shooting in game 1. Divincenzo shot 3 of 17 though so i guess that saved OKC. ANT injured obviously.

[Manny98]

Comparing the late great Kobe to that disgusting flopper is insane :facepalm

Kobe and SGA couldn't be further apart, one plays the right way the other looks to bait players into fouls every possession not even looking to score his game is predicated on going to the free throw line

I can't stand SGA he's worse than Harden

[Manny98]

Something about players who drive with no intention of making a shot and it's all just to draw fouls.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTIk2pt-M9A&ab_channel=HouseofHighlights

This is just one example of no one touching him, defenses actively trying to avoid contact with him. He could have just hit an easy shot, he caused his own miss by trying to flop. It's the same reason no one liked Harden or Embiid.

Well said :applause:

These type of players I dislike the most and take away the enjoyment of the game

[04mzwach]

The MVP is announced tonight. It seems that it's all about stats so only SGA, Jokic and guy who wont win are the the top 3.

[red1]

Comparing the late great Kobe to that disgusting flopper is insane :facepalm

Kobe and SGA couldn't be further apart, one plays the right way the other looks to bait players into fouls every possession not even looking to score his game is predicated on going to the free throw line

I can't stand SGA he's worse than Harden

look at this bitch from the UK talking shit


you guys are just a bunch of broke dirty ****** with zero money zero economy zero basketball knowledge


just a bunch of Zeros just like the ringless franchise in your picture :roll:

[Wardell Curry]

Kobe used to yell "hey!" and flail his arms into the air trying to draw fouls. He didn't do it at nearly the same rate nor did he successfully bait the officials as much as FTA does.

Practically every star player in the entire league plays like a bitch now.

[gengiskhan]

Kobe used to yell "hey!" and flail his arms into the air trying to draw fouls. He didn't do it at nearly the same rate nor did he successfully bait the officials as much as FTA does.

Practically every star player in the entire league plays like a bitch now.

Kobe sabotages team chemistry.

kobe is the worst all time great, most overrated.

he lost not one but 2 guaranteed finals. 2004 and 2008.

[ImKobe]

Kobe used to yell "hey!" and flail his arms into the air trying to draw fouls. He didn't do it at nearly the same rate nor did he successfully bait the officials as much as FTA does.

Practically every star player in the entire league plays like a bitch now.

Kobe, Wade, Lebron and all our other favorite greats from the 90s and 2000s knew how to game the refs as well. It's a lot of salty Jokic fans coping about Shai. It's the same shit these guys did to Embiid when he won MVP.

There's levels to this but Kobe definitely did his fair share of foul baiting. Shai modeled a lot of his game around Kobe's to the point where a lot of his mid-range moves look damn near identical to KB's. I can respect SGA's foul baiting because he's trying to get 2+1 instead of just looking for the foul, he's drawing the contact and getting a decent shot off not just flailing his arms and flopping to the ground where it just looks bad and results in a turnover if the refs don't call it.

People can call him a foul artist but that's just a weird narrative for a player who is insanely skilled offensively. Shai is as close to a Kobe/Jordan as it gets in this era in terms of his mid-range and post scoring ability.

[tontoz]

SGA shoots 50%+ from 10-16 feet. That is a big reason why he draws a lot of fouls. If he couldnt make those shots guys he wouldn't be able to draw fouls so often.

[04mzwach]

He draws fouls because the refs make calls that aren't valid. In this series he's getting calls that other players do not get. SGA is making the contact with his own arm and then he gets the call is one example. ANT is making contact like SGA but he doesn't get that call. I'm not sure what the refs are actually doing.