israel supporters - i have a bridge to sell you.

[diamenz]

Benjamin Netanyahu has made it clear: His decision to allow a minuscule amount of aid to enter Gaza is a tactical one aimed at quieting international condemnation of Israel’s forced starvation of Gaza and to clear the path of a final solution imposed on the Palestinians of Gaza.

"We're going to take control of all the Gaza Strip,” Netanyahu vowed Monday in a video released by his office announcing that Israel would begin delivering “minimal humanitarian aid: food and medicine only.” Netanyahu claimed that international pressure, including from pro-Israel Republican senators and the White House, required the appearance of humanitarian intervention. "Our best friends in the world—senators I know as strong supporters of Israel—have warned that they cannot support us if images of mass starvation emerge," he said. “They come to me and say, ‘We’ll give you all the help you need to win the war… but we can’t be receiving pictures of famine,’” Netanyahu added. To continue the war of annihilation, he asserted, “We need to do it in a way that they won't stop us.”

Netanyahu’s coalitional ally Bezalel Smotrich—an extreme right-wing government minister and longtime advocate of starving, mass killing, and depopulating Gaza—endorsed Netanyahu’s move. Smotrich said the aid scheme would allow “our friends in the world to continue to provide us with an international umbrella of protection against the Security Council and the Hague Tribunal, and for us to continue to fight, God willing, until victory.”

In what he described as an emergency press conference to address criticism from his own base, Smotrich laid out the Netanyahu government’s genocidal agenda and explained why the appearance of allowing aid is necessary on a strategic level. “The [aid] that will enter Gaza in the coming days is the tiniest amount. A handful of bakeries that will hand out pita bread to people in public kitchens. People in Gaza will get a pita and a food plate, and that's it. Exactly what we are seeing in the videos: people standing in line and waiting to have someone serve them, with some soup plate,” Smotrich said.

“Truth be told, until the last of the hostages returns, we should also not let water into the Gaza Strip. But the reality is that if we do that, the world will force us to halt the war immediately, and to lose. It would be winning the battle, and losing the war. I'm committed to winning the war,” Smotrich declared. “We are disassembling Gaza, and leaving it as piles of rubble, with total destruction [which has] no precedent globally. And the world isn't stopping us. There are pressures. There are those who attack [us]; they are trying to [make us] stop; they are not succeeding. You know why they aren't succeeding? Because we are navigating [the campaign] responsibly and wisely, and that's how we'll continue to do [it]."

Smotrich said that the Israeli forces are initiating a campaign to force Palestinians into the south of Gaza “and from there, God willing, to third countries, as part of President Trump's plan. This is a change of the course of history—nothing less.”

In recent days, Trump has resumed promoting the threat he first floated on February 4 when Netanyahu visited him at the White House: that the U.S. would seize Gaza and create a Middle East Riviera. “I think I’d be proud to have the United States have it, take it, make it a freedom zone,” Trump said Thursday, an assertion he repeated over the weekend in an interview with FOX News. “Gaza is a nasty place. It's been that way for years. I think it should become a free zone, you know, freedom, I call it a freedom zone,” Trump told host Bret Baier.

On Sunday, Netanyahu said that allowing “a basic amount of food” to enter Gaza was pursued out of “the operational need to enable the expansion of the intense fighting to defeat Hamas.” He said that Israel would resume limited aid deliveries on an interim basis starting approximately a week ahead of a longer term aid plan that would circumvent the UN and other international agencies. The emerging Israeli policy offers enough food to Palestinians in Gaza to ward off international condemnation that could impact its war, while preparing to ethnically cleanse Palestinians from Gaza.

Netanyahu’s announcement comes amid renewed talks over a possible Gaza ceasefire and exchange of captives deal. Netanyahu has insisted he will not make any agreement that ends the war without the total elimination of Hamas and the demilitarization of the entire Gaza Strip. Hamas has said it will not release any more Israeli captives held in Gaza unless an internationally certified deal is reached that includes the total withdrawal of Israeli forces and a long-term truce.









if you have a triple digit iq and can't put the pieces of the puzzle together for yourself at this stage of the game, i have a bridge to sell you. you're voluntarily being manipulated and fooled. if you can't see this for what is, the wartime propaganda has done it's job on you. i find it absolutely fascinating how people allow themselves to be brainwashed and fooled but only when it suits their interests to do so. they can see through the bullshit on everything else as long as it suits their narrative though. humans are a funny bunch in that regard.

the only way that israel feels they'll have security is if they drive these people out of their land. pretty simple concept - elementary problem solving there. you can get that far i hope unless you're completely braindead. so if that's not ethnic cleansing then i don't know what is. if it doesn't at least skirt the definition or at the least make it deservable of a legitimate debate then i don't know what would. you don't have to agree or disagree with it but it should at least be entertained and not just dismissed out of hand.

"but hamas this" "but hamas that"... yeah, i understand where you're coming from. no, i genuinely do. but if you're on board with israel's ulterior motives then just come out with it and say it. you know what they're doing. this isn't just a war on hamas, it's a war against an entire people. it is what it is - if you can't see the forest for the trees then you're knowingly lying to yourself. those of you that are capable of rudimentary critical thinking anyway.

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qldd6BWj_Xw



Charlie Kirk ain't gonna win this one... sorry Charlie... you're finally gonna have to take an L here.

[highwhey]

should we like...go say hi to netanyahu?

https://nextbestpicture-com.b-cdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/sicariobenicio_orig-696x348.jpg

[RRR3]

They are admitting it's a genocide at this point. Smotrich even admits to being a fascist, like if you're defending him you're so far gone.

[ArbitraryWater]

Meanwhile rrr3: USA control Israel doe, anything else is antisemitism.

„God willing, until victory“ <jewish concept. Antisemitism according to the forums incel.

[diamenz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2LwmWq1VrI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ONFrm30CII


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYMcP2LlCVQ

[diamenz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aa7O6QKjr8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54MI_mT1h0A


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TU16CTgOYc

[Patrick Chewing]

Yikes...Bilzerian is a neo-Nazi.

[RRR3]

Yeah when you link nutcases who just have a hate boner for Jews like Blizerian you just hurt the movement. By and large the Pro-Palestinian movement is not anti-Jewish, but when you link people who ARE, it really hurts the cause, so stop it. I realize this is probably falling on deaf ears, but I'll point it out at least. I legit don't think the government of Israel should exist, the whole territory should be Palestine (no I'm not saying to kill all the Jews living there but the government has to go), so please don't claim I'm a Zionist either diamenz when I've seen you argue for a two-state solution which is actually enabling Zionism to continue.

This is just going to become a "Jews bad" vs "Muslims bad" thread now, which is a shame because we really should be able to just hammer home how fascist Israel is and how ****ed it is our tax dollars go to support their genocide. Most people should be able to agree on that, even if they think Israel should exist. Because the current Israeli government is absolutely maniacal.

[diamenz]

Yikes...Bilzerian is a neo-Nazi.



Yeah when you link nutcases who just have a hate boner for Jews like Blizerian you just hurt the movement. By and large the Pro-Palestinian movement is not anti-Jewish, but when you link people who ARE, it really hurts the cause, so stop it. I realize this is probably falling on deaf ears, but I'll point it out at least. I legit don't think the government of Israel should exist, the whole territory should be Palestine (no I'm not saying to kill all the Jews living there but the government has to go), so please don't claim I'm a Zionist either diamenz when I've seen you argue for a two-state solution which is actually enabling Zionism to continue.

This is just going to become a "Jews bad" vs "Muslims bad" thread now, which is a shame because we really should be able to just hammer home how fascist Israel is and how ****ed it is our tax dollars go to support their genocide. Most people should be able to agree on that, even if they think Israel should exist. Because the current Israeli government is absolutely maniacal.


aside from the third video in the first post, where even then dan is clearly taking issue with the government of israel, what exactly did he say that isn't true?

most what he said can either be agreed with or at least acknowledged in an objective way - it's based on fact.

the reason i posted those videos (and there will be more to come because the content of what's being said shouldn't be surprising, shocking or controversial), is to demonstrate that it's not the left that's criticizing israel - it's america first figureheads on the right. ones that aren't afraid to speak out because they're not bought of or brainwashed (in some cases, willingly).

[diamenz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReNopEZhUHg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaCiduxldZQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHYJbqIiWKg

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHYJbqIiWKg

https://global.unitednations.entermediadb.net/assets/mediadb/services/module/asset/downloads/preset/assets/2012/09/15602/image1170x530cropped.jpg

[fsvr54]

I could give a F about Israel or Palestine. They can both burn in hell for what I care.

Caring about shit that has nothing to do with you, your country or your bloodline is the gheyest shit ever.

In before anyone says "USA supports Israel". Well, I don't believe they should have a side in the conflict. National interests should be a nations only interests, not international.

[SouBeachTalents]

I could give a F about Israel or Palestine. They can both burn in hell for what I care.

Caring about shit that has nothing to do with you, your country or your bloodline is the gheyest shit ever.

In before anyone says "USA supports Israel". Well, I don't believe they should have a side in the conflict. National interests should be a nations only interests, not international.
This dude consistently has some of the worst takes of anyone on the forum. They're often so stupid, I almost have to assume he's trolling.

[ShawkFactory]

This dude consistently has some of the worst takes of anyone on the forum. They're often so stupid, I almost have to assume he's trolling.

:lol

I’ve said this before about him. It’s one thing to troll and be funny or at least a little cheeky or whatever. It’s another to troll and be just completely unpleasant. Unless he’s not trolling and is just unpleasant.

Either way…2 thumbs down from me.

[MrFonzworth]

I could give a F about Israel or Palestine. They can both burn in hell for what I care.

Caring about shit that has nothing to do with you, your country or your bloodline is the gheyest shit ever.


Had to stop reading there! Does this dunce not know the USA supports Israel? What an idiot.

[Baller234]

Does Hamas still have hostages?

[TheMan]

Does Hamas still have hostages?

What a pathetic attempt :roll:

Call what's happening in Gaza for what it is, a genocide...own it and say you're ok with it and accept all the implications on your character that goes with it. For your sake I hope you're not a God fearing man because Judgment Day will not be a good day for you.

[diamenz]

Does Hamas still have hostages?

is that was israeli propaganda is still telling you? is that what israel-controlled us propaganda is still telling you? is that what you actually believe (which i find hard to believe due to your ability to think for yourself, at least when it suits you to do so) or are turning a blind eye and choosing to believe due to your bias or are you just using "hostages" as an easy-out, one-liner talking point excuse of an argument that in any honest argument can't be taken seriously due to everything that's transpired since oct 7th? why don't you just throw "human shields" in there too and call it a day? were nearly two years into this war and you're arguing as if it's oct 8th. you're falling for war time propaganda hook, line and sinker. you of all people. i'd expect that from a libtard, but not you brother.

but to just clarify, that's your response to the op? that's what you're running with after what i outlined? it's mediocre, low effort at best. it's like you've missed the entire premise of the op.

i like to think if i have any chance of reaching anybody on this issue it's you. you're intelligent and you've demonstrated the ability to see things for what they really are on a plethora of other subjects. so why is this subject matter so much different?

[Patrick Chewing]

is that was israeli propaganda is still telling you? is that what israel-controlled us propaganda is still telling you? is that what you actually believe (which i find hard to believe due to your ability to think for yourself, at least when it suits you to do so) or are turning a blind eye and choosing to believe due to your bias or are you just using "hostages" as an easy-out, one-liner talking point excuse of an argument that in any honest argument can't be taken seriously due to everything that's transpired since oct 7th? why don't you just throw "human shields" in there too and call it a day? were nearly two years into this war and you're arguing as if it's oct 8th. you're falling for war time propaganda hook, line and sinker. you of all people. i'd expect that from a libtard, but not you brother.

but to just clarify, that's your response to the op? that's what you're running with after what i outlined? it's mediocre, low effort at best. it's like you've missed the entire premise of the op.

i like to think if i have any chance of reaching anybody on this issue it's you. you're intelligent and you've demonstrated the ability to see things for what they really are on a plethora of other subjects. so why is this subject matter so much different?

How in the world do you believe the word of terrorists in Hamas over Israel?

The two posters above me are gullible as ****.

[ShawkFactory]

How in the world do you believe the word of terrorists in Hamas over Israel?

The two posters above me are gullible as ****.

Booooooo

[diamenz]

How in the world do you believe the word of terrorists in Hamas over Israel?

The two posters above me are gullible as ****.

tell that to Marjorie taylor greene, tucker carlson, douglas macgregor, joe rogan, candace owens, tim dillon and all of the other maga's that have the ability to think for themselves.

i'm not *ucking with you anymore on this subject. i just want to make that clear and final. everything you post is petty. you don't make honest arguments. this place was a lot more productive and positive while you were gone.

[Baller234]

is that was israeli propaganda is still telling you? is that what israel-controlled us propaganda is still telling you? is that what you actually believe (which i find hard to believe due to your ability to think for yourself, at least when it suits you to do so) or are turning a blind eye and choosing to believe due to your bias or are you just using "hostages" as an easy-out, one-liner talking point excuse of an argument that in any honest argument can't be taken seriously due to everything that's transpired since oct 7th? why don't you just throw "human shields" in there too and call it a day? were nearly two years into this war and you're arguing as if it's oct 8th. you're falling for war time propaganda hook, line and sinker. you of all people. i'd expect that from a libtard, but not you brother.

but to just clarify, that's your response to the op? that's what you're running with after what i outlined? it's mediocre, low effort at best. it's like you've missed the entire premise of the op.

i like to think if i have any chance of reaching anybody on this issue it's you. you're intelligent and you've demonstrated the ability to see things for what they really are on a plethora of other subjects. so why is this subject matter so much different?

I simply asked an honest question. There are still hostages being held, correct?

Is that not relevant? Would we be in this situation to begin with if they didn't take hostages?

Not looking to come down on either side, I'm simply asking an honest question.

[Patrick Chewing]

tell that to Marjorie taylor greene, tucker carlson, douglas macgregor, joe rogan, candace owens, tim dillon and all of the other maga's that have the ability to think for themselves.

i'm not *ucking with you anymore on this subject. i just want to make that clear and final. everything you post is petty. you don't make honest arguments. this place was a lot more productive and positive while you were gone.

A clear sign that you've lost the argument and can't face the noise is when you claim that what I'm writing is petty or beneath you.

I'm not joking when I say that a lot of you are neo-Nazis. You hate Jews.

[diamenz]

I simply asked an honest question. There are still hostages being held, correct?

Is that not relevant? Would we be in this situation to begin with if they didn't take hostages?

Not looking to come down on either side, I'm simply asking an honest question.

let me get this straight. your response to the premise of the entirety of the op is, "are there still hostages?" that's what you've got to say? low effort bro, sorry.

[Baller234]

let me get this straight. your response to the premise of the entirety of the op is, "are there still hostages?" that's what you've got to say? low effort bro, sorry.

Why can't you answer the question?

[diamenz]

A clear sign that you've lost the argument and can't face the noise is when you claim that what I'm writing is petty or beneath you.

I'm not joking when I say that a lot of you are neo-Nazis. You hate Jews.

you literally created a thread, which was the easist *ucking thing in the world for me to condemn, called me out by name like a child would and you expect me to take you seriously after that? you too have missed the entire premise if this thread. if you can't see things for what they are, you're willingly blinded.

just say you're on board with it so i can respect your stance, both of you. but to pretend like you can't put the pieces of the puzzles together for yourselves shows just how much of a terrible problem solver you both are.

just say you're israel first. just *ucking say it and i'll respect it.

[diamenz]

Why can't you answer the question?

i don't create threads and answer questions.

address the op, then i'd be glad to.

[diamenz]

for all the shit you talk here baller, i've gotta say. not impressed bro.

[Baller234]

i don't create threads and answer questions.

address the op, then i'd be glad to.

Well it seems to me that no matter which side you come down on, you're making a choice as to which lives matter more.

Yes it's sad and unfortunate that innocent people are being caught up in Israel's crossfire, but judging from your reluctance to answer my question, one could argue you're just as unsympathetic when it comes to the lives of the hostages. Do their lives not matter?

Why didn't they just give up the hostages back when this first started?

If you want to shame go ahead, but first I would like for you to answer that question.

[diamenz]

Well it seems to me that no matter which side you come down on, you're making a choice as to which lives matter more.

Yes it's sad and unfortunate that innocent people are being caught up in Israel's crossfire, but judging from your reluctance to answer my question, one could argue you're just as unsympathetic when it comes to the lives of the hostages. Do their lives not matter?

Why didn't they just give up the hostages back when this first started?

If you want to shame go ahead, but first I would like for you to answer that question.

i condemn all of it - that's easy. i condemn hamas for everything they do and the israeli government for everything they do. they're both terrorist organizations that want each other wiped off the map. that much is clear. if you can't see that for what it is, like i said - have a bridge to sell you.

it's not our business and it's not america first. this is between two terrorist governments that have nothing to do with our interests here at home.

as for the hostages? i condemn all innocent life lost on either side. that's so *ucking easy to do. but if you think the israeli government prioritizes getting those hostages back over the ethnic cleansing operation they're undertaking (this couldn't be any more obvious), then i have a bridge to sell you. netanyahu doesn't give a shit about those people. they're nothing but pawns in the game.

americans are blinded and propagandized because they pay zero attention to what goes on beyond their borders. people need to wake up and realize that our involvement in the ME is not in our interests.

[Baller234]

i condemn all of it - that's easy. i condemn hamas for everything they do and the israeli government for everything they do. they're both terrorist organizations that want each other wiped off the map. that much is clear. if you can't see that for what it is, like i said - have a bridge to sell you.

it's not our business and it's not america first. this is between two terrorist governments that have nothing to do with our interests here at home.

as for the hostages? i condemn all innocent life lost on either side. that's so *ucking easy to do. but if you think the israeli government prioritizes getting those hostages back over the ethnic cleansing operation they're undertaking (this couldn't be any more obvious), then i have a bridge to sell you.

Okay so if both sides are pieces of shit that and are in the middle of a war, which we all acknowledge is ugly and brings out the worst in everyone, what's the sense in pointing fingers?

One side is going to win and one side is going to lose, so how come you're getting so upset about it? Especially if you're telling us you don't have a rooting interest.

[diamenz]

Okay so if both sides are pieces of shit that and are in the middle of a war, which we all acknowledge is ugly and brings out the worst in everyone, what's the sense in pointing fingers?

One side is going to win and one side is going to lose, so how come you're getting so upset about it? Especially if you're telling us you don't have a rooting interest.

what's in america's interest?

who's funding it? who's going to war with iran if netanyahu grabs us by the tail and tells us to do so? is that in america's interests? why are we poised to clean up a mess that israel made?

[Baller234]

what's in america's interest?

who's funding it? who's going to war with iran if netanyahu grabs us by the tail and tells us to do so? is that in america's interests? why are we poised to clean up a mess that israel made?

Well if Israel is at war with (insert country or region here), America obviously has a vested interest in Israel coming out on top because they're a close partner of ours.

Is that your main gripe? That America is helping? Because that's an entirely different argument altogether.

[diamenz]

Well if Israel is at war with (insert country or region here), America obviously has a vested interest in Israel coming out on top because they're a close partner of ours.

Is that your main gripe? That America is helping? Because that's an entirely different argument altogether.

yeah, that's the issue. the amount of control and $ that the israel lobby has on our government is unprecedented. our interests have been hijacked. stop funding ukraine, stop funding israel. it's simple.

but it's also a moral one where i don't want to see dead jews or dead brown kids.

[Baller234]

yeah, that's the issue. the amount of control and $ that the israel lobby has on our government is unprecedented. our interests have been hijacked. stop funding ukraine, stop funding israel. it's simple.

but it's also a moral one where i don't want to see dead jews or dead brown kids.

Eh I think you're conflating the issues. If you didn't want to see more dead brown kids, then there should have been stronger calls to release the hostages from the get go. Instead we got river to the sea chants.

In fact the day after Oct 7th happened, long before any retaliatory measures were even taken, you had users on this forum condemning Israel.

[Patrick Chewing]

diamenz, what should Israel's response to October 7th have been? I'm just curious to know what your response would have been. And please don't say you don't know.

[diamenz]

Eh I think you're conflating the issues. If you didn't want to see more dead brown kids, then there should have been stronger calls to release the hostages from the get go. Instead we got river to the sea chants.

In fact the day after Oct 7th happened, long before any retaliatory measures were even taken, you had users on this forum condemning Israel.

"the jordan to the mediterranean" from powerless libtards on the streets of america reciting from hamas' charter. ho hum.

that same line from the talmud of which the netanyahu government are actually carrying out as we speak. this is what i spoke about the power dynamic at play. who's doing the ethnic cleansing and why are we a part of it?

second bolded - you can be assured that wasn't me. on oct 7th and for some time after i used to think israel was our ally, but they've been doing all they can to lose me for the last year and a half.

[diamenz]

diamenz, what should Israel's response to October 7th have been? I'm just curious to know what your response would have been. And please don't say you don't know.

we've been over this chewing, time and time again.

[Baller234]

"the jordan to the mediterranean" from powerless libtards on the streets of america reciting from hamas' charter. ho hum.

that same line from the talmud of which the netanyahu government are actually carrying out as we speak. this is what i spoke about the power dynamic at play. who's doing the ethnic cleansing and why are we a part of it?

second bolded - you can be assured that wasn't me. on oct 7th and for some time after i used to think israel was our ally, but they've been doing all they can to lose me for the last year and a half.

So what, you think Trump is subservient to Israel?

That makes:

- Russia / Putin
- Israel / Netanyahu
- Elon Musk

All supposedly pulling Trump's puppet strings if you ask certain people.

I'm curious, to what degree is Trump obligated to Israel in your opinion? Is he a business partner? Is he being blackmailed?

Genuinely asking.

[diamenz]

So what, you think Trump is subservient to Israel?

That makes:

- Russia / Putin
- Israel / Netanyahu
- Elon Musk

All supposedly pulling Trump's puppet strings if you ask certain people.

I'm curious, to what degree is Trump obligated to Israel in your opinion? Is he a business partner? Is he being blackmailed?

Genuinely asking.

how much $ has he taken from the adelson family and the greater israel lobby? you think they're just playing nice giving $ to the trump campaign? trump is compromised in this regard - he's openly admitted it. "the israel lobby - a very, very powerful thing". they had a hand in getting him elected. it's simple stuff here.

[Baller234]

how much $ has he taken from the adelson family and the greater israel lobby? you think they're just playing nice giving $ to the trump campaign? trump is compromised in this regard - he's openly admitted it. "the israel lobby - a very, very powerful thing". they had a hand in getting him elected. it's simple stuff here.

So at the present moment you don't think Trump has any autonomy when it comes to Israel?

[diamenz]

So at the present moment you don't think Trump has any autonomy when it comes to Israel?

money talks. he's influenced, is the bottom line. to what extent is the question? how does he feel about it personally, what kind of people does he has in his ear, what type of legacy does he want to leave for himself. all of these things factor into the equation.

as far as what's been applied so far policy wise, he's been much less subservient to israel than joe was and that's a great thing for the country. but will it last? will israel push the boundaries and just go to war with iran knowing the lobby will drag us in? will israel pull another uss liberty false flag incident? i've given trump credit where credit is due but only time will tell. trump has good instincts - he needs to listen to them and get rid of the people telling him to keep these wars going. it's not in our interest.

[Patrick Chewing]

we've been over this chewing, time and time again.

Remind me again. So much crappie gets posted on this site by trolls and by neo-Nazis that i forget the responses from the more decent posters on the board.

[diamenz]

Remind me again. So much crappie gets posted on this site by trolls and by neo-Nazis that i forget the responses from the more decent posters on the board.

i don't know to be honest chewing. my response would have initially been something similar but after emotions settled i definitely wouldn't have taken it this far.

[Patrick Chewing]

i don't know to be honest chewing. my response would have initially been something similar but after emotions settled i definitely wouldn't have taken it this far.

The **** did I just tell you bruh?? You better not say you don't know what Israel's response should have been while you actually criticize Israel's response.

[diamenz]

what more do you need to hear?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCkVGJY_gG8

[diamenz]

@Baller234 @Patrick Chewing

i've been thinking about this today because this is a subject that bothers me on a moral level. it's clear that we're not going to agree on most things related and that's fine because this is a polarizing subject for obvious reasons, whatever they may be according to the individual(s).

if we could focus on what we can agree on and leave it at that, that's progress. the loss of innocent life on either side. i said it in a previous post and i'll say it again because it's the easiest thing in the world for me to do.

i have no issue willingly condemning hamas for all of the innocents that they've killed, tortured, held hostage, whatever, what-have-you, before, on and after oct 7th. dead innocent jews/israelis is something nobody, including myself wants to see, period, full-stop, no excuses.

if there's anything you'd like me to add to that, within reason, i have no problem doing it.

i ask you to meet me halfway. *uck the noise you hear from the media, anybody here and anybody on the left that says otherwise. you're having a back & forth with me here and me alone. if there's any intentional killing, intent to kill, injure or intentionally starve innocent brown women and children on the part of the israeli government, you'd have no problem condemning this i assume. i ask you to be thorough and complete with your condemnation as i was.

let's meet each other halfway and end this conversation on a positive note. because i'd be fine and content with that and i assume you would too. am i not being reasonable?

[ShawkFactory]

@Baller234 @Patrick Chewing

i've been thinking about this today because this is a subject that bothers me on a moral level. it's clear that we're not going to agree on most things related and that's fine because this is a polarizing subject for obvious reasons, whatever they may be according to the individual(s).

if we could focus on what we can agree on and leave it at that, that's progress. the loss of innocent life on either side. i said it in a previous post and i'll say it again because it's the easiest thing in the world for me to do.

i have no issue willingly condemning hamas for all of the innocents that they've killed, tortured, held hostage, what-have-you, before, on and after oct 7th. dead innocent jews/israelis is something nobody, including myself wants to see, period, full-stop, no excuses.

if there's anything you'd like me to add to that, within reason, i have no problem doing it.

i ask you to meet me halfway. *uck the noise you hear from the media, anybody here and anybody on the left that says otherwise. you're having a back & forth with me here and me alone. if there's any intentional killing, intent to kill, or injure innocent brown people on the part of the israeli government, you'd have no problem condemning this i assume. i ask you to be thorough and complete with your condemnation as i was.

let's meet each other halfway and end this conversation on a positive note. because i'd be fine and content with that and i assume you would too. am i not being reasonable?

What? Palestine obviously started the conflict between the two nations on October 7th, 2023. Israel was just minding their own business before that..

[diamenz]

What? Palestine obviously started the conflict between the two nations on October 7th, 2023. Israel was just minding their own business before that..

stop. this isn't productive and it's posts like these that turn people like baller and chewing off. i shouldn't even have to say this. this isn't your conversation, with all due respect.

[highwhey]

What? Palestine obviously started the conflict between the two nations on October 7th, 2023. Israel was just minding their own business before that..

have you been tested for lead poisoning? serious question.

[RRR3]

stop. this isn't productive and it's posts like these that turn people like baller and chewing off. i shouldn't even have to say this. this isn't your conversation, with all due respect.
muh both sides

[ShawkFactory]

stop. this isn't productive and it's posts like these that turn people like baller and chewing off. i shouldn't even have to say this. this isn't your conversation, with all due respect.

Lighten up dude.

I know it’s a serious issue and I agree with you on this. But you’re not changing anyone’s mind. I’ve spoken to baller and chewing quite a bit. It ain’t happening.

[diamenz]

Lighten up dude.

I know it’s a serious issue and I agree with you on this. But you’re not changing anyone’s mind. I’ve spoken to baller and chewing quite a bit. It ain’t happening.

no, i won't.

it's not my intent to change minds, idiot. reread my post. i spent more than a few minutes writing and revising it for a reason. wise up.

[RRR3]

Lighten up dude.

I know it’s a serious issue and I agree with you on this. But you’re not changing anyone’s mind. I’ve spoken to baller and chewing quite a bit. It ain’t happening.
Eh he's framing it as a both sides thing which isn't really fair. Hamas is horrible and October 7 was an atrocity, yes, but they are not on equal grounds in terms of immorality. There's a big power difference and historical difference.

[diamenz]

jesus christ. :rolleyes:

[diamenz]

listen, do me a favor.

everybody else sans highwhey just shut the *uck up for now because you're not helping.

[ShawkFactory]

have you been tested for lead poisoning? serious question.

Oh shit they have tests for that? Good lookin’ out :cheers:

[ShawkFactory]

no, i won't.

it's not my intent to change minds, idiot. reread my post. i spent more than a few minutes writing and revising it for a reason. wise up.

Getting a hard-headed individual to meet you in the middle is the equivalent of changing their mind.

But sure, out of respect for you I’ll bow out.

[Baller234]

3tard is such a disingenuous liar. He's said countless times "I'm not defending Hamas!" yet here he is running cover for them once again.

It's no different from the way he defends democrats. He swears up and down that he hates democrats and that they're so evil, but the moment anyone compares them to republicans he becomes their biggest cheerleader. In other words it's perfectly fine to talk shit about democrats, but don't dare suggest they're as bad as republicans or else 3tard is going to get REALLY upset and he will have to defend their honor.

Now he's defending Hamas's honor.

[diamenz]

3tard is such a disingenuous liar. He's said countless times "I'm not defending Hamas!" yet here he is running cover for them once again.

It's no different from the way he defends democrats. He swears up and down that he hates democrats and that they're so evil, but the moment anyone compares them to republicans he becomes their biggest cheerleader. In other words it's perfectly fine to talk shit about democrats, but don't dare suggest they're as bad as republicans or else 3tard is going to get REALLY upset and he will have to defend their honor.

Now he's defending Hamas's honor.

yeah, see rrr3. you're dumber than i ever could have given you credit for. you gave him an out to deviate from the premise of my point. your stupidity is unreal and knows no bounds. you have the iq of a gnat.

jesus lmao. baller, i feel you bro. when you deal with people like rrr3, it doesn't make you want to come to the table in a reasonable way, does it? i sat in your shoes for a minute there.

but like i said, *uck the noise. think about what i said in our conversation and think about meeting me halfway.

[Baller234]

yeah, see rrr3. you're dumber than i ever could have given you credit for. you gave him an out to deviate from the premise of my point. your stupidity is unreal and knows no bounds. you have the iq of a gnat.

jesus lmao. baller, i feel you bro. when you deal with people like rrr3, it doesn't make you want to come to the table in a reasonable way, does it? i sat in your shoes for a minute there.

but like i said, *uck the noise. think about what i said in our conversation and think about meeting me halfway.

I know there are legitimate criticisms of Israel, but it's clear that when it comes to people like 3tard it stems from hatred over compassion.

If god forbid a group of native indians ever went on a killing rampage and decided to brutally murder a bunch of random whites claiming it was payback for "taking their land", 3tard would be the first one to defend them and chalk their rage up to historical oppression.

[diamenz]

I know there are legitimate criticisms of Israel, but it's clear that when it comes to people like 3tard it stems from hatred over compassion.

If god forbid a group of native indians ever went on a killing rampage and decided to brutally murder a bunch of random whites claiming it was payback for "taking their land", 3tard would be the first one to defend them and chalk their rage up to historical oppression.

think about what i said and let me know where you stand.

[highwhey]

I know there are legitimate criticisms of Israel, but it's clear that when it comes to people like 3tard it stems from hatred over compassion.

If god forbid a group of native indians ever went on a killing rampage and decided to brutally murder a bunch of random whites claiming it was payback for "taking their land", 3tard would be the first one to defend them and chalk their rage up to historical oppression.

it depends, were those indians controlled by a terrorist state government? would the us retaliate by bombing innocent indians that had nothing to do with the killing rampage and continue to do so for years on no end? would there be testimony of neutral parties witnessing mass killings of innocent indian children, women, and elderly after being bombed? have those indians been constantly bombed, pillaged and driven out of their homes for decades upon decades until current day?

context matters. and no one in this forum has defended hamas fyi. it's just in your head that people are defending hamas.

[Baller234]

think about what i said and let me know where you stand.

As far as what? Condemning the taking of innocent life? Of course I condemn that. Israel's hands aren't clean in all of this despite what they're up against. Like I said war brings out the worst in everyone. For all we know they allowed Oct 7 to happen. I don't like to go down that road but I would be foolish not to allow for that possibility.

We'll never know the whole truth anyway so there's no sense in trying to make sense of it. What I do know is that once Israel first went on their rampage, there were plenty of opportunities for the other side to wave the white flag. They chose not to.

[RRR3]

You CAN'T get baller234 to change his mind on anything, Shawk was telling you that already. By all means, continue insisting you're not an uber conservative while you play pattycake with an arch-zionist and attack people framing a genocide correctly. He will still disagree with you.

Maybe....MAYBE you could get through to Chewing on some level if you use the right arguments. But not baller.

[Baller234]

You CAN'T get baller234 to change his mind on anything, Shawk was telling you that already. By all means, continue insisting you're not an uber conservative while you play pattycake with an arch-zionist and attack people framing a genocide correctly. He will still disagree with you.

Maybe....MAYBE you could get through to Chewing on some level if you use the right arguments. But not baller.

I've changed my mind plenty of times in my life. I used to be a democrat. I voted for Obama.

YOU can't change my mind because you're an unintelligent moron that doesn't adhere to facts or consistent logic.

[diamenz]

As far as what? Condemning the taking of innocent life? Of course I condemn that. Israel's hands aren't clean in all of this despite what they're up against. Like I said war brings out the worst in everyone. For all we know they allowed Oct 7 to happen. I don't like to go down that road but I would be foolish not to allow for that possibility.



i'll take it, that's all i had to hear. cheers brother.

[diamenz]

@Patrick Chewing

[diamenz]

I've changed my mind plenty of times in my life. I used to be a democrat. I voted for Obama.

YOU can't change my mind because you're an unintelligent moron that doesn't adhere to facts or consistent logic.

who in their right mind can support the modern day democratic party? you'd have to be a soccer mom that limits herself to the nightly news or a illegal immigrant that votes in their interest alone to do such a thing. it's absolute insanity.

[diamenz]

You CAN'T get baller234 to change his mind on anything, Shawk was telling you that already. By all means, continue insisting you're not an uber conservative while you play pattycake with an arch-zionist and attack people framing a genocide correctly. He will still disagree with you.

Maybe....MAYBE you could get through to Chewing on some level if you use the right arguments. But not baller.

reread post #49. reread it twice or as many times as you have to until it sinks in. i'm not trying to change anyone's mind. my post was in good faith reaching out to someone that sees things different than i do. my intent was to meet them halfway on what we can agree on and leave it at that. stop making yourself look bad. that's probably too much to ask.

[diamenz]

You CAN'T get baller234 to change his mind on anything, Shawk was telling you that already. By all means, continue insisting you're not an uber conservative while you play pattycake with an arch-zionist and attack people framing a genocide correctly. He will still disagree with you.

Maybe....MAYBE you could get through to Chewing on some level if you use the right arguments. But not baller.

btw, keep using the word genocide. see where that gets you in any conversation or debate.

[Patrick Chewing]

@Patrick Chewing

Is this like the Bat signal for my attention? You rang?

[diamenz]

Is this like the Bat signal for my attention? You rang?

:lol

[diamenz]

Is this like the Bat signal for my attention? You rang?

should i assume from your silence that you have no interest or intent to participate in post #48?

[Patrick Chewing]

@Baller234 @Patrick Chewing

i've been thinking about this today because this is a subject that bothers me on a moral level. it's clear that we're not going to agree on most things related and that's fine because this is a polarizing subject for obvious reasons, whatever they may be according to the individual(s).

if we could focus on what we can agree on and leave it at that, that's progress. the loss of innocent life on either side. i said it in a previous post and i'll say it again because it's the easiest thing in the world for me to do.

i have no issue willingly condemning hamas for all of the innocents that they've killed, tortured, held hostage, whatever, what-have-you, before, on and after oct 7th. dead innocent jews/israelis is something nobody, including myself wants to see, period, full-stop, no excuses.

if there's anything you'd like me to add to that, within reason, i have no problem doing it.

i ask you to meet me halfway. *uck the noise you hear from the media, anybody here and anybody on the left that says otherwise. you're having a back & forth with me here and me alone. if there's any intentional killing, intent to kill, injure or intentionally starve innocent brown women and children on the part of the israeli government, you'd have no problem condemning this i assume. i ask you to be thorough and complete with your condemnation as i was.

let's meet each other halfway and end this conversation on a positive note. because i'd be fine and content with that and i assume you would too. am i not being reasonable?

If there is intentional killing by Israel of innocent civilians, then of course it is wrong. I just don't see that. And with a nation like Israel being under the microscope as they are by the world community, you would think such events if they were taking place, would have garnered enough media attention and attention by world leaders for someone to do something about it.

Israel made a decision to wipe out Hamas at all costs. Where does Hamas hide? Under hospitals and residential buildings. Israel warns residents to vacate the area, while Hamas threatens them to stay in place.

So my argument would be, that it is Israel who is doing the most to save innocent lives, while Hamas are the ones repeatedly putting them in danger.

There is no alternative by the way in case you were wondering. If Israel doesn't cripple Hamas or kill it off completely, then they will eventually regroup and attack Israel again.

But yeah, all this talk of genocide by Israel is just done in attempt to elicit strong emotions by the poorly educated to come over to the pro-Palestinian side.

[diamenz]

If there is intentional killing by Israel of innocent civilians, then of course it is wrong.

alright, let's toast to that then. i'm not gonna push
it any further than that because it won't lead anywhere good as i'm sure you'd agree. we don't see eye to eye on very much past this threshold. so cheers.

i'm not disregarding everything else you said btw, but this was all i was interested in.

[highwhey]

If there is intentional killing by Israel of innocent civilians, then of course it is wrong. I just don't see that.

are you fukkin stupid? you 400 pound retard.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgsK7noLGOM&ab_channel=PoliticsJOE

https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsfeed/2024/9/6/uk-doctor-80-of-gaza-victims-i-treated-were


On his first visit to the Gaza Strip, Daniel Day-Lewis meets the Palestinian families living in the heart of the danger zone and the psychologists who are counselling them.

Mossa’ab, the interpreter, leads the way, carrying a white Medecins Sans Frontieres (MSF) flag. Its psychology team, myself and the photographer Tom Craig are in full view of an Israeli command post occupying the top floors of a large mill. It is draped in camouflage netting, as is the house close by. It is to this house that we are heading, across 200 yards of no man’s land; the last house left standing in an area once teeming with life.

Civilians have been the main victims of the violence inflicted by both sides in the Middle East conflict. In the Gaza Strip the Israeli army reacts to stone-throwing with bullets. It responds to the suicide bombs and attacks of Palestinian militants by bulldozing houses and olive groves in the search for the perpetrators, to punish their families, and to set up buffer zones to protect Israeli settlements. It bars access to villages, and multiplies checkpoints, cutting Gaza’s population off from the outside world. MSF’s psychologists are trying to help Palestinian families cope with the stress of living within these confines; visiting them, treating severe trauma and listening to their stories. Their visits are the only sign sometimes that they have not been abandoned.

Israel’s tanks and armour-plated bulldozers can come with no warning, often at night. The noise alone, to a people who have been forced to suffer these violations year after year, is enough to freeze the soul. Israeli snipers position themselves on rooftops. Householders are ordered to leave; they haven’t even the time to collect pots and pans, papers and clothes before the bulldozers crush the unprotected buildings like dinosaurs trampling on eggs ” sometimes first mashing one into another, then covering the remains with a scoop of earth. Those caught in the incursion zone will be fired on. Even those cowering inside their houses may be shot at or shelled through walls, windows and roofs. The white flag carried by humanitarian workers gives little protection; we’ll have warning shots fired at us twice before the week is out.

Sometimes a family will not leave an area that is being cleared, believing if they do leave they will lose everything. It is a huge risk to remain. Sometimes a house is left standing, singled out for occupation by Israeli troops. The family is forced to remain as protection for the soldiers. Last year an average of 120 houses were demolished each month, leaving 1,207 homeless every month. In the past four years 28,483 Gazans have been forcibly evicted; over half of Gaza’s usable land, mainly comprising citrus-fruit orchards, olive groves and strawberry beds, has been destroyed. Last year, 658 Palestinians were killed in the violence in Gaza, and dozens of Israelis. This ploughing under, house by house, orchard by orchard, reduces community to wasteland, strewn and embedded with a stunted crop of broken glass and nails, books, abandoned possessions. As we weave our way towards the home of Abu Saguer and his family ” one of several families we will visit today ” we are treading on shattered histories and aspirations.

Abu Saguer’s own house is still standing, but its top floor and roof are occupied by Israeli soldiers. His granddaughter Mervat is with us, a sweet, shy seven-year-old with red metal-rimmed glasses, her hair in two neat braids held by flowery bands. She wears bright-red trousers and a denim jacket. Last April her mother heard an Israeli Jeep pull up briefly at the military-access road in front of their house. Some projectile was fired and when Mervat reappeared ” she had been playing outside ” she was crying and her face was covered in blood. They washed her. Her right eye was crushed. A month later in Gaza an artificial eye was fitted. It was very uncomfortable, so a special recommendation was needed from the Palestinian Ministry of Health to finance a trip to Egypt for one that fitted properly. Mervat needs this eye changed every six months, so the ministry must negotiate with Israel each time for permission to cross the border. Fifty cars are permitted to cross each day; each must carry seven people.

Abu Saguer has five sons and four daughters “You’ll go broke with more than that,” he says. He lives near the big checkpoint of Abu Houli in southern Gaza. He wants the photographer, Tom Craig, to take his picture and put it on every wall in England, Germany and Russia. He is 59. At 12 he went out to work, and at 16 he began to build the house he had dreamt of, “slowly, slowly” as a home and as a gathering place for his extended family. He had grown up in a house made of mud in Khan Yunis, which let the water in whenever it rained, and all his pride, hope and generosity of spirit had invested itself in this ambition. He had worked in Israel, like so many here, before the borders were closed to all men aged between 16 and 35.

For over 20 years, Abu Saguer had his own business, selling and transporting bamboo furniture. During the second Gulf war all his merchandise was stolen. After that he relied on his truck for income. He had cultivated 300 square metres of olive trees, pomegranates, palms, guavas and lemons in the fields around his home. After the start of the second intifada (Palestinian uprising) his crops were destroyed by the Israeli army ” for “security”. A road that services the Israeli settlements of Gush Katif had been built, and during our visit the traffic passes freely backwards and forwards, along the edge of the barren land where his orchards once flourished.

[highwhey]

alright, let's toast to that then. i'm not gonna push
it any further than that because it won't lead anywhere good as i'm sure you'd agree. we don't see eye to eye on very much past this threshold. so cheers.

i'm not disregarding everything else you said btw, but this was all i was interested in.

why are you afraid to call him out for what his fatass is? he's a dumbass.

[diamenz]

why are you afraid to call him out for what his fatass is? he's a dumbass.

sometimes you have to take what you can get and just rest with it bro. this subject has worn me out at this point and makes me depressed when i talk about it. i just wanna be through with it and rest knowing and believing he takes issue with 30,000 dead children. that's all you're gonna get sometimes bro. trying to change people's minds on this subject is wasted energy. i'll leave that to you guys if you wanna go that route.

[highwhey]

sometimes you have to take what you can get and just rest with it bro. this subject has worn me out at this point and makes me depressed when i talk about it. i just wanna be through with it and rest knowing and believing he takes issue with 30,000 dead children. that's all you're gonna get sometimes bro. trying to change people's minds on this subject is wasted energy. i'll leave that to you guys if you wanna go that route.

yeah you're right about that. waste of key strokes.

[diamenz]

what more do you need to hear?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCkVGJY_gG8

chewing, condemn this nonsense and i'll leave you alone on this subject. i need to know your heart is in the right place.

mine is, as i've made crystal clear in my good-faith post. keep it simple bro. it's better that way.

[Patrick Chewing]

highweight is a fat neo-Nazi. I don't pay any attention to what that clown says. Al-Jazeera.....of course lol.

Highweight, Alan, whatever your refried bean ass is named, go eat a bag of d*cks. You're one of the main reasons why this board is terrible.

[highwhey]

highweight is a fat neo-Nazi. I don't pay any attention to what that clown says. Al-Jazeera.....of course lol.

Highweight, Alan, whatever your refried bean ass is named, go eat a bag of d*cks. You're one of the main reasons why this board is terrible.

nothing you say will change the fact that you weigh 400 pounds.

[diamenz]

Al-Jazeera.....of course lol.



al jezeera is just the messenger. i don't care for them either. i'm asking you to condemn the content of the video itself. it's real.

[diamenz]

al jezeera is just the messenger. i don't care for them either. i'm asking you to condemn the content of the video itself. it's real.

condemn this nonsense bro and i'm off your back. this is easy. it's a no-brainer.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCkVGJY_gG8

[highwhey]

condemn this nonsense bro and i'm off your back. this is easy. it's a no-brainer.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCkVGJY_gG8

dude's got horseblinders on when it comes to the evil stuff the idf is doing

https://tribe.numo.so/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffirebasestorage.googleapis .com%3A443%2Fv0%2Fb%2Fmindist-well.appspot.com%2Fo%2FpostsPhoto%252Fravyhfl.jpg% 3Falt%3Dmedia%26token%3D53b84ef4-faa2-4c50-8166-7d1378f1c66f&w=3840&q=10

[diamenz]

dude's got horseblinders on when it comes to the evil stuff the idf is doing

https://tribe.numo.so/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffirebasestorage.googleapis .com%3A443%2Fv0%2Fb%2Fmindist-well.appspot.com%2Fo%2FpostsPhoto%252Fravyhfl.jpg% 3Falt%3Dmedia%26token%3D53b84ef4-faa2-4c50-8166-7d1378f1c66f&w=3840&q=10

and you're helping here? you think you're incentivizing him to condemn that by saying some shit like this?

[highwhey]

and you're helping here?

absolutely. i bring the truth to light. if i ever support a nation committing straight up mass murder, feel free to call me out.

[diamenz]

condemn this nonsense bro and i'm off your back. this is easy. it's a no-brainer.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCkVGJY_gG8

i want you to think about what you're endorsing by not condemning this chewing. especially as a christian. you're endorsing the killing of innocent children.

i've made my condemnation of hamas and their intentions clear. silence from you on this i can only assume you endorse the killing of innocent children.

give me something to condemn in return if you'd like. condemn it and i'll get off your back on this subject for good. you have my word.

[Patrick Chewing]

condemn this nonsense bro and i'm off your back. this is easy. it's a no-brainer.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCkVGJY_gG8

Let's get one thing straight first. No one is on my back. Not you and not that fat highweight scumbag Nazi.

In terms of the video, the video is not so black and white as you want it to be. Is it wrong to kill children? Yes, I've already answered this a million times on this site. But the man isn't wrong when he says that in 15 years that all these children will come for the necks of the Jewish people. And that is solely due to the elephant in the room that none of you want to acknowledge which is Islam and its indoctrination of these children to grow up hating Jews and wishing for their death. So if you want me to condemn something to satiate your thirst to get me on your side about something, then yes, I condemn the thought of killing children, but I will not condemn the overall message that the only way this conflict ends is when one of these sides is completely wiped off the map.

And for those in the back with the severely low IQ, if you lose Israel, then these Islamic fascists will come for you next.

[diamenz]

Let's get one thing straight first. No one is on my back. Not you and not that fat highweight scumbag Nazi.

In terms of the video, the video is not so black and white as you want it to be. Is it wrong to kill children? Yes, I've already answered this a million times on this site. But the man isn't wrong when he says that in 15 years that all these children will come for the necks of the Jewish people. And that is solely due to the elephant in the room that none of you want to acknowledge which is Islam and its indoctrination of these children to grow up hating Jews and wishing for their death. So if you want me to condemn something to satiate your thirst to get me on your side about something, then yes, I condemn the thought of killing children, but I will not condemn the overall message that the only way this conflict ends is when one of these sides is completely wiped off the map.

And for those in the back with the severely low IQ, if you lose Israel, then these Islamic fascists will come for you next.

i mean, i guess i'll take it. it's the best i'm gonna get.

just to be clear, my condemnation was forthright, full stop, no excuses.

innocent life lost is innocent life and should be easy to condemn, bar any context.

i just want to be clear - my condemnation of hamas was full stop.

i wish you could've taken the same approach instead of getting defensive over something i came to the table with in good faith.

[Patrick Chewing]

I condemned any killing of innocent life, bro. What more do you want? And mind you, this is one man in that video with one point of view. Unlike Hamas who they all want Israel wiped off the map.

[diamenz]

I condemned any killing of innocent life, bro. What more do you want? And mind you, this is one man in that video with one point of view. Unlike Hamas who they all want Israel wiped off the map.

cheers, chewing. i understand. we'll leave it at that. :cheers:

[highwhey]

cheers, chewing. i understand. we'll leave it at that. :cheers:

DAMN BRO. he's talking to you like a BITCH patrick. like you're a little nincompoop kid.

[Patrick Chewing]

DAMN BRO. he's talking to you like a BITCH patrick. like you're a little nincompoop kid.

You alright?

[diamenz]

btw, shawkfactory, didn't mean to lose my cool with you the other day.

[ShawkFactory]

btw, shawkfactory, didn't mean to lose my cool with you the other day.

It's all good man. I too sometimes wish we could go back to the days of not arguing politics and keeping our strong differing opinions to ourselves to keep the peace. "Don't talk politics" used to be a rule at family gatherings.

Like I said, I respect what you were trying to do I'm just worse than you at biting my tongue sometimes when it's in front of my face and also not real life. Like if I met Chewing or Baller in real life I'm sure we'd get along and wouldn't talk politics at all. This medium just makes it tough :lol

[Patrick Chewing]

I would gladly break bread with anyone on here.


Then I'd show you the error in your ways.

[diamenz]

Like if I met Chewing or Baller in real life I'm sure we'd get along and wouldn't talk politics at all. This medium just makes it tough :lol

chewing doesn't meet people irl. he bitched out when blademaster was in his city and wanted to hang out. we can only assume he's hiding something now. probably has aids from gay buttsex. *ucked up his rep here for realz. we'll never look at you the same chewing

#neverforget

[highwhey]

chewing doesn't meet people irl. he bitched out when blademaster was in his city and wanted to hang out. we can only assume he's hiding something now. probably has aids from gay buttsex. *ucked up his rep here for realz. we'll never look at you the same chewing

#neverforget

it cuz he weighs 400 POUNDS

[Patrick Chewing]

chewing doesn't meet people irl. he bitched out when blademaster was in his city and wanted to hang out. we can only assume he's hiding something now. probably has aids from gay buttsex. *ucked up his rep here for realz. we'll never look at you the same chewing

#neverforget

These are just unsubstantiated rumors.

[highwhey]

These are just unsubstantiated rumors.

i actually met j3lademaster, he's a chill guy. he leans conservative on most topics, particularly fiscal policies. he's pretty damn smart and he's actually buff unlike you who just claims to be buff but chickened out of meeting bc you know he would have seen something vastly different than what you like to paint yourself as. :ohwell:

[Patrick Chewing]

i actually met j3lademaster, he's a chill guy. he leans conservative on most topics, particularly fiscal policies. he's pretty damn smart and he's actually buff unlike you who just claims to be buff but chickened out of meeting bc you know he would have seen something vastly different than what you like to paint yourself as. :ohwell:

I'm a very private person, but I'm pretty sure I would have been shown to have been buffer than him.

[jstern]

what more do you need to hear?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCkVGJY_gG8

Shuvael Ben-Natan
https://x.com/MiddleEastMnt/status/1850884974460965209

It's just normal, acceptable talk, when a country requires a specific type of propaganda from the moment a child is born, in order to run the way it runs.

[Lakers Legend#32]

I would gladly break bread with anyone on here.


Then I'd show you the error in your ways.

But you would eat all the food.

That's why you weigh 400 lbs.

[diamenz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuvyHRgKLUU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnBHa5fInN4

[Patrick Chewing]

Little d, you had me condemn a video the other day and I obliged, so I'm wondering if you're willing to return the favor and accept the fact that the Islamic world hates Jews, indoctrinates their children to hate Jews, and also wants the complete annihilation of the Jewish state? Will you acknowledge all these things?

[diamenz]

Little d, you had me condemn a video the other day and I obliged, so I'm wondering if you're willing to return the favor and accept the fact that the Islamic world hates Jews, indoctrinates their children to hate Jews, and also wants the complete annihilation of the Jewish state? Will you acknowledge all these things?

our condemnation of the evil of both sides was mutual, was it not? i reached out in good faith in my condemnation, which as as clear and as concise as the day is long, with no guarantee you would return the favor. you ultimately did, albiet begrudgingly.

i even asked if i could add anything else to my condemnation which you did not take me up on. now you want to push the envelope after we closed the books? what's your issue? why could we not leave it where we did?

[diamenz]

and by the way, if you had actually watched the two videos i just posted, you should have taken issue with neither of them if you had america's best interests in mind.

[Patrick Chewing]

our condemnation of the evil of both sides was mutual, was it not? i reached out in good faith in my condemnation, which as as clear and as concise as the day is long, with no guarantee you would return the favor. you ultimately did, albiet begrudgingly.

i even asked if i could add anything else to my condemnation which you did not take me up on. now you want to push the envelope after we closed the books? what's your issue? why could we not leave it where we did?

You condemned the actions of Hamas. I want to hear someone else on this board besides me for once admit that the Islamic world hates Jews and wants to see them destroyed. I don't care what your opinion of Jews is, I just want someone to be man enough and not fear these goat ****ers and sick pedos and admit that they want Jews dead.

Ain't that hard of an ask.

[diamenz]

You condemned the actions of Hamas. I want to hear someone else on this board besides me for once admit that the Islamic world hates Jews and wants to see them destroyed. I don't care what your opinion of Jews is, I just want someone to be man enough and not fear these goat ****ers and sick pedos and admit that they want Jews dead.

Ain't that hard of an ask.

you're right - this isn't hard. there are extremists on both sides. yes, there are extremist muslims that want to see jews dead to further their cause. there are also extremist zionists that want to see brown people dead to further their cause. to believe one and not the other just exposes your (or anyone elses) biases.

[Patrick Chewing]

you're right - this isn't hard. there are extremists on both sides. yes, there are extremist muslims that want to see jews dead to further their cause. there are also extremist zionists that want to see brown people dead to further their cause. to believe one and not the other just exposes your (or anyone elses) biases.

Cowardice is such an ugly trait. And you're a Conservative? You voted for Trump?

How many Jewish terror groups can you name versus Islamic ones? Do they indoctrinate Jewish children to hate Muslims? How many buildings have Jews blown up across the world? How many beheadings and stonings have Jews carried out throughout the world?


So many people afraid to criticize Islam. Do you guys think you're going to get paid a visit by some Islamist or something?? :oldlol:

[diamenz]

Cowardice is such an ugly trait. And you're a Conservative? You voted for Trump?

How many Jewish terror groups can you name versus Islamic ones? Do they indoctrinate Jewish children to hate Muslims? How many buildings have Jews blown up across the world? How many beheadings and stonings have Jews carried out throughout the world?


So many people afraid to criticize Islam. Do you guys think you're going to get paid a visit by some Islamist or something?? :oldlol:

i've made clear where i stand at this point. reread my posts if you have to - it's all there for everyone to see. but go ahead and conflate me with the rest of them though, if that's what you feel you need to do for whatever reason.

[Patrick Chewing]

i've made clear where i stand at this point. reread my posts if you have to - it's all there for everyone to see. but go ahead and conflate me with the rest of them though, if that's what you feel you need to do for whatever reason.

Just for the record, you so far have:

- Been incapable of answering what Israel should have done as a response to the October 7th attack
- Been incapable of admitting that the Islamic world wants Israel wiped off the map

[diamenz]

you thought i was done, didn't you? :D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugDw0KtLhFo

[highwhey]

500 million more in weapons/bombs to israel. thanks trump.

[Patrick Chewing]

Just for the record, you so far have:

- Been incapable of answering what Israel should have done as a response to the October 7th attack
- Been incapable of admitting that the Islamic world wants Israel wiped off the map

Still waiting for Little D to address these two points.

[diamenz]

Still waiting for Little D to address these two points.

:lol chewing

i answered your questions. my response is either buried here or it may have been in another thread. you just didn't like my answers.

again, israel's initial response was understandable. it's the extended response and the methods imposed that people question and take issue with.

your second question is even easier to answer but i won't condemn one side's actions without condemning the other. that's why there's a war between the two... both sides want each other wiped off the map. but when people tell you who they are, believe them - it's literally in hamas' charter to kill jews and push them into the med sea. on the other hand, one needs to look no further than the talmud and the likud party's charter to understand why zionists treat palestinians the way they do and want to kill them and push them into the sinai. also look no further than what netanyahu outlined weeks before (probably) letting oct 7th happen.

https://static-cdn.toi-media.com/www/uploads/2023/09/AP23265503933357.jpg

[diamenz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvxp8p_7jt0

[TheMan]

i want you to think about what you're endorsing by not condemning this chewing. especially as a christian. you're endorsing the killing of innocent children.

i've made my condemnation of hamas and their intentions clear. silence from you on this i can only assume you endorse the killing of innocent children.

give me something to condemn in return if you'd like. condemn it and i'll get off your back on this subject for good. you have my word.

Chewing doesn't care, they're Muslim kids so no big deal. He calls himself Catholic but he's really a satanist.

[Lakers Legend#32]

TRUMP: No estate tax, no going through the banks and borrowing from—in some cases a fine banker— and in some cases a shylocks and bad people.

I'm sure antisemitism crusader Patrick "Poopsie" Chewing will condemn Trump for this.

[Baller234]

@diamenz

Your ultimatum given to Chewing wasn't totally fair. You may not agree with his POV because it's uncomfortable but there's still truth to it.

I don't condone killing innocent people, especially innocent children, but there really is no guarantee that removing the Hamas leaders makes the anti-Israel sentiment go away. So yes the humane thing is show some level of mercy, but not when it comes at your own expense.

Let me reiterate, I do NOT condone the killing of innocents and I do not agree with the guy in the video. But as someone who is looking to preserve the future of his children and his country, certainly you could understand his POV. It's harsh and it's cruel, but understandable.

Israel's enemies are likely thinking the exact same thing.

[diamenz]

i don't know what post your referring to in my back & forths with chewing but he's a big boy and can fend for himself. but since we're on the subject, i can't fathom how i'm the one that's being unreasonable in all of this. i have no problem condemning extremists on either side. i've done it so many *ucking times here. i even went out of my way to create an rip israelis thread on the anniversary of oct 7th. i just come forth with it outright. i can't even squeeze it out of chewing. that must say something on a ground level before an argument from either of us is even made.


@diamenz

there really is no guarantee that removing the Hamas leaders makes the anti-Israel sentiment go away.

of course it won't. one leader gets taken out and another takes it's place. as long as the occupation continues, there's going to be a hamas in some form. as long as there's a hamas, there's going to be an occupation. it's a cycle with no solution but more war.

so it makes you wonder how effective a two state solution would even be if that were to happen. much less a one state solution. there's so much history, hatred and blood in the sand for it to even be seriously considered at this stage of the game.

forcing the two sides to live in peace as one nation would ultimately result in the population's own territorial woes in the form of gangs and factions. there would never be peace. would it be better than it is now, and sustainable? lol... i don't know if it would even be worth trying.

two states would be more feasible but even that would be near impossible. the strategy would have to be perfect. as in... a thousand foot impenetrable wall between the two states with zero entrances or exits. closed off forever, extending well beyond their borders. but neither side's governance can agree on a land deal to begin that conversation. all of this is way too complicated to problem solve, especially at the level it's discussed online by people that can't see past their own nose. how many folks out there do you believe to have genuine interest in the subject and have legitimate arguments to be heard? the discussion around this everywhere you go online and offline is a cesspool of sidisms and talking points... as with everything i suppose.

the alternative way, and again probably the only way now due to the circumstances is perpetual war until one side is eliminated, including the population, which israel is currently doing in some form... and like i said to chewing, the other side would be engaging in the same behavior if they held the power dynamic. this is the sad reality. call it genocide, ethnic cleansing, the labels argument is tired af already. in the end this is the way it will end up being in some form or another. this war is far, far from over.

[ShawkFactory]

@diamenz

Your ultimatum given to Chewing wasn't totally fair. You may not agree with his POV because it's uncomfortable but there's still truth to it.

I don't condone killing innocent people, especially innocent children, but there really is no guarantee that removing the Hamas leaders makes the anti-Israel sentiment go away. So yes the humane thing is show some level of mercy, but not when it comes at your own expense.

Let me reiterate, I do NOT condone the killing of innocents and I do not agree with the guy in the video. But as someone who is looking to preserve the future of his children and his country, certainly you could understand his POV. It's harsh and it's cruel, but understandable.

Israel's enemies are likely thinking the exact same thing.

What you’re saying is correct, but the inability to have this sort of insight and empathy for the other side is where I take issue. Don’t want to speak for Diamenz but it seems like he feels similarly.

The disdain for Israel in the region is far more primal than religion and it’s frustrating for a person attempting to understand why to be scoffed at and labeled as a terrorist supporter or Jew hater.

[Baller234]

i don't know what post your referring to in my back & forths with chewing but he's a big boy and can fend for himself. but since we're on the subject, i can't fathom how i'm the one that's being unreasonable in all of this. i have no problem condemning extremists on either side. i've done it so many *ucking times here. i even went out of my way to create an rip israelis thread on the anniversary of oct 7th. i just come forth with it outright. i can't even squeeze it out of chewing. that must say something on a ground level before an argument from either of us is even made.



of course it won't. one leader gets taken out and another takes it's place. as long as the occupation continues, there's going to be a hamas in some form. as long as there's a hamas, there's going to be an occupation. it's a cycle with no solution but more war.

so it makes you wonder how effective a two state solution would even be if that were to happen. much less a one state solution. there's so much history, hatred and blood in the sand for it to even be seriously considered at this stage of the game.

forcing the two sides to live in peace as one nation would ultimately result in the population's own territorial woes in the form of gangs and factions. there would never be peace. would it be better than it is now, and sustainable? lol... i don't know if it would even be worth trying.

two states would be more feasible but even that would be near impossible. the strategy would have to be perfect. as in... a thousand foot impenetrable wall between the two states with zero entrances or exits. closed off forever, extending well beyond their borders. but neither side's governance can agree on a land deal to begin that conversation. all of this is way too complicated to problem solve, especially at the level it's discussed online by people that can't see past their own nose. how many folks out there do you believe to have genuine interest in the subject and have legitimate arguments to be heard? the discussion around this everywhere you go online and offline is a cesspool of sidisms and talking points... as with everything i suppose.

the alternative way, and again probably the only way now due to the circumstances is perpetual war until one side is eliminated, including the population, which israel is currently doing in some form... and like i said to chewing, the other side would be engaging in the same behavior if they held the power dynamic. this is the sad reality. call it genocide, ethnic cleansing, the labels argument is tired af already. in the end this is the way it will end up being in some form or another. this war is far, far from over.

So then based on this post, one could argue the man in the video you posted is being perfectly reasonable then. When your enemy hates you that badly and would no doubt strike given the chance, perhaps mercy isn't an option. Bad faith actors will accuse him of being an evil monster fueled by racism and disdain towards the palestinian people, but in reality he's just thinking in terms of self preservation. The preservation of his people and his country. I would agree his view is extreme and non-compromising, and it's why I don't condone it, but I would be lying if I said I didn't understand.

Like you said it doesn't matter which side is right and which side is wrong, all that matters is the reality of the situation. War is hell. Israel isn't the bad guy here just because they're winning. You may not need to hear that but a lot of posters on here do.

[Patrick Chewing]

Our acceptance of Israel's response does not mean we want innocent civilians to die. You guys, especially diamenz is trying to make that connection as if there isn't any other options or opinions on the matter. There was no alternative for Israel. If you did have an alternative for Israel, which doesn't include them giving up trying to kill off Hamas so that they can regroup and attack Israel again, then step forward with it. Otherwise, the likes of others like diamenz just want Israel to do nothing whenever they're attacked thus making you antisemitic since you're obviously okay with Jews dying without retaliation.

[diamenz]

Our acceptance of Israel's response does not mean we want innocent civilians to die. You guys, especially diamenz is trying to make that connection as if there isn't any other options or opinions on the matter. There was no alternative for Israel. If you did have an alternative for Israel, which doesn't include them giving up trying to kill off Hamas so that they can regroup and attack Israel again, then step forward with it. Otherwise, the likes of others like diamenz just want Israel to do nothing whenever they're attacked thus making you antisemitic since you're obviously okay with Jews dying without retaliation.

the alternative is offering with a peace deal. no, not the half-assed peace deals that israel has offered on their terms in the past but an actual two state solution. but like i just said, that's an impossibility at this point.

otherwise, it's endless war until one side is wiped off the map. then so be it but don't deny what israel's actual goals are. it's elimination of these people, including the civilian population over fears of neverending radicalism. it's the only way they see security for themselves.

yes, if the shoe was on the other foot hamas would be doing the same thing. but don't sit there and tell me the israeli government aren't committing intentional mass murder and ethnic cleansing. it insults my intelligence. which again comes to the cusp of the op. if you can't see this for what it is and call it accordingly, well then i don't know what to tell you. you're either in denial about it, see it as a losing argument or actually just can't piece it together.

[Patrick Chewing]

the alternative is offering with a peace deal. no, not the half-assed peace deals that israel has offered on their terms in the past but an actual two state solution. but like i just said, that's an impossibility at this point.

otherwise, it's endless war until one side is wiped off the map. then so be it but don't deny what israel's actual goals are. it's elimination of these people, including the civilian population over fears of neverending radicalism. it's the only way they see security for themselves.

yes, if the shoe was on the other foot hamas would be doing the same thing. but don't sit there and tell me the israeli government aren't committing intentional mass murder and ethnic cleansing. it insults my intelligence. which again comes to the cusp of the op. if you can't see this for what it is and call it accordingly, well then i don't know what to tell you. you're either in denial about it, see it as a losing argument or actually just can't piece it together.

Hamas has rejected peace deal after peace deal over the years. This is common knowledge.

[diamenz]

Hamas has rejected peace deal after peace deal over the years. This is common knowledge.

right. because like i said, they've always been on israel's terms in regard to control over the population and the right to reassume the occupation at the drop of a hat. israel has never offered up a true two-state solution because they don't want one. neither side does. :confusedshrug:

speaking of which, israel recently rejected a peace deal in return for release of the remaining hostages, something you've expressed concern over time and time again. so miss me the the finger pointing.

again, like baller said, no side is innocent in all of this. you seem to be incapable of making that distinction. especially since you chose to ignore everything i said about that.

[Patrick Chewing]

right. because like i said, they've always been on israel's terms in regard to control over the population and the right to reassume the occupation at the drop of a hat. israel has never offered up a true two-state solution because they don't want one. neither side does. :confusedshrug:

speaking of which, israel recently rejected a peace deal in return for release of the remaining hostages, something you've expressed concern over time and time again. so miss me the the finger pointing.

again, like baller said, no side is innocent in all of this. you seem to be incapable of making that distinction. especially since you chose to ignore everything i said about that.

Dude, you are just so misinformed on this subject. If you're going to argue AGAINST Israel which you have done since Day 1, then you need to have facts on your side. In 2005, Israel pulled all 21 Israeil settlements from Gaza. In 2008 Israel offered Palestine a Two-State solution deal where Israel would disengage from over 90% of the West Bank and Mahmoud Abbas rejected it!

Proof: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realignment_plan

So you cannot expect me to take you seriously on this subject when you say that Israel has never offered up a two-state solution when they indeed have.

There is a side that's innocent in this. It's Israel. When you finally let your blind hatred for Israel stop clouding your judgement, then you'll get to my level and see the truth for what it is. But for now, none of you are there. You're just blaming Israel for existing, and then blaming Israel for having terrorist attacks against them.

[Baller234]

Making a deal is about compromise. Israel is the one with the cards and the leverage. If you're the other side you have to be able to accept that. You can't move forward unless you acknowledge reality first.

Israel offered:

- A Palestinian state in 93–94% of the West Bank, all of Gaza, and land swaps for remaining territory
- Safe passage between Gaza and the West Bank
- Jerusalem divided: Arab neighborhoods to Palestine, Jewish neighborhoods to Israel
- Holy sites under international custodianship
- Resettlement of refugees in Palestine or third countries (limited number into Israel)
- A demilitarized Palestinian state

This offer wasn't accepted. No response, no counter offer.

So if I'm Israel you're telling me loud and clear that you're totally unwilling to negotiate. If that's the case I guess we have to be mortal enemies then. That's not my fault, that's yours.

[diamenz]

Dude, you are just so misinformed on this subject. If you're going to argue AGAINST Israel which you have done since Day 1, then you need to have facts on your side. In 2005, Israel pulled all 21 Israeil settlements from Gaza. In 2008 Israel offered Palestine a Two-State solution deal where Israel would disengage from over 90% of the West Bank and Mahmoud Abbas rejected it!

Proof: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realignment_plan

So you cannot expect me to take you seriously on this subject when you say that Israel has never offered up a two-state solution when they indeed have.

There is a side that's innocent in this. It's Israel. When you finally let your blind hatred for Israel stop clouding your judgement, then you'll get to my level and see the truth for what it is. But for now, none of you are there. You're just blaming Israel for existing, and then blaming Israel for having terrorist attacks against them.



the occupation, and again this is where these terms get sketchy without context, didn't end in 2005. israel's internal military presence within gaza ended, but transitioned into a besiegement, if you will. in effect, think of it as the equivalent of armed guards leaving the room that you're being held prisoner in, shutting the door behind them and holding position outside not allowing you to leave and assuming control of everything that's allowed in or out; controlling your airspace, food & water intake, economy, electricity, maritime resources and borders. that's not to mention they can choose to mow the lawn (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mowing_the_grass#:~:text=Mowing the grass (Hebrew%3A כיסוח,infrastructure of the Gaza Strip.) whenever they deem it necessary.

on the other hand, i agree with you both that the 2008 deal should have been taken. it was the best peace offer that was ever put on the table and was a missed opportunity for at least some objective level of stability and harmony, whether the palestinians would have been fully content with it or not. it goes without saying that in their eyes, any concession is a concession to colonial settlers. yeah absolutely - the land deal alone was beyond reasonable despite some nuance. but like baller said, israel holds the cards and palestine isn't in much of a position to dictate terms. so i guess the question becomes, how stubborn and hard-headed were they to not be convinced that 'this is it'? should have taken the deal.

that being said, there's always fine print that needs to be mentioned and the reason i always emphasize "true" two state solution. this piggybacks off the things i listed in the previous paragraph, where despite being given their own "state", israel would still have micromanaged most aspects of their government, including demanding complete demilitarization and only allowing alliances under israeli permission. furthermore, that "state" would have, in the end, more or less permanently formalized palestine's status as an israeli colony. so the deal wasn't all roses. that's why i always say, all of the israeli treaties, to varying degrees, were all sugar coated forms of continued occupation. the 2008 one and to a lesser extent the deal offered in 2000 can be considered two of the better, or best ones. there was also the whole "napkin" controversy and the hastiness over forcing the deal before the next israeli administration assumed power:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Papers#Napkin_map