Kobe 3-peating only once with Shaq confirms goatness of 3-peating twice with Pippen

[3ba11]

Playoffs

00-04' Shaq........ 28/14/3... 29.0 PER... 0.248 WS/48... 7.4 BPM <---- Kobe won 1 three-peat
91-98' Pippen....... 19/8/5... 19.5 PER... 0.157 WA/48... 5.6 BPM <----- MJ won 2 three-peats


Conclusion: MJ is goat more than we realize... His lack of help shows how great his chemistry and teammate elevation was

[RRR3]

Kobe could shoot 3s though so he'd actually be able to compete in today's league whereas Jordan would be a bench scrub at best.

[Hey Yo]

There's no 2nd 3peat without quitting the league for almost 2yrs

[3ba11]

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3-POINT EFFICIENCY FOR REGULAR SEASON GAMES WHERE MJ HAD 3+ ATTEMPTS:

1985...... 4-18
1986...... 3-6
1987...... 5-22
1988...... 1-3
1989...... 16-49
1990...... 75-187
1991...... 11-30
1992...... 13-39
1993...... 68-185
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total....... 196-539 (36.4%)




3-POINT EFFICIENCY FOR PLAYOFF SERIES WITH 3+ ATTEMPTS - regular line only (HIGHLIGHTED BELOW):


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53-135 (39.2%)




TLDR: From 85-93', Jordan shot 36.4% on threes in games that he had 3+ attempts (539 attempts), and 39% in series with 3+ attempts (regular line only) - aka there's no record of MJ shooting poorly at today's volumes and whenever he had above "bailout" volume (extremely low volume - only bailouts taken)... Since MJ always shot well at today's volumes despite no practice (36-39%), he would be elite in today's game WITH practice (40% or more).





Kobe could shoot 3s though so he'd actually be able to compete in today's league whereas Jordan would be a bench scrub at best.


Actually, the career 3-point percentages that you reference are "bailout volume"... Everyone will shoot poorly if they only take 1 highly-contested bailout three per game...

Jordan either took bailout volume of under 1.5 attempts, or he was actively trying to shoot threes and took 3+ attempts... There was no in between... And when MJ took 3+ attempts, he shot 35-38% in the 1990 and 1993 regular seasons, or he shot 36.4% in regular season games of 3+ attempts from 85-93', and 39% in playoff series of 3+ attempts (regular line only).

See this data above.

And Jordan already won titles at today's volumes when he shot 39% on 4 attempts in the 93' Playoffs and Finals, or 42% on 5 attempts in the 92' Finals... This is with zero practice - all natural

[SouBeachTalents]

Yeah, Jordan winning with a team that won 55 games without him is really fvcking impressive, about a notch above KD on the Warriors.

[RRR3]

No one cares about percentages shot on wide open 3s on incredibly low volume. "3+ attempts" lol 3 attempts per game for a guard today is so small it's unheard of unless they play limited minutes. Coupled with the fact that he'd actually get guarded today? 25% maybe if he's lucky

MJ was DEEEEEEEEE-READFUL from behind the arc.

[3ba11]

There's no 2nd 3peat without quitting the league for almost 2yrs


4-peat is still goat

And then maybe they lose to Hakeem and Drexler in 95' before starting another 4-peat...

[3ba11]

No one cares about percentages shot on wide open 3s on incredibly low volume. "3+ attempts" lol 3 attempts per game for a guard today is so small it's unheard of unless they play limited minutes. Coupled with the fact that he'd actually get guarded today? 25% maybe if he's lucky

MJ was DEEEEEEEEE-READFUL from behind the arc.


Show me where Zion or Giannis shot 38% on 3 attempts for a season..... Any scout would look at Jordan's great percentage at 3+ attempts, and then his goat form, and then his growth into the goat 2-point jumpshooter to conclude that Jordan would be elite at threes with practice

One glance at the "shrug" series and the scout would be RAVING over Jordan's 3-point potential.

Also, the trend shows that Jordan shot better with more attempts.. you forget that Jordan already won titles at today's volumes when he shot 39% on 4 attempts in the 93' Playoffs and Finals, or 42% on 5 attempts in the 92' Finals... This is with zero practice - all natural

[RRR3]

Yawn. Giannis and Zion are physically dominant monsters. MJ was a 6’4 shooting guard who could barely dribble. I’m not even sure he’d make the league today. He couldn’t even go left.

[Overdrive]

Playoffs

00-04' Shaq........ 28/14/3... 29.0 PER... 0.248 WS/48... 7.4 BPM <---- Kobe won 1 three-peat
91-98' Pippen....... 19/8/5... 19.5 PER... 0.157 WA/48... 5.6 BPM <----- MJ won 2 three-peats


Conclusion: MJ is goat more than we realize... His lack of help shows how great his chemistry and teammate elevation was

Shaq three-peated with Kobe. Not the other way round.

[Hey Yo]

4-peat is still goat

And then maybe they lose to Hakeem and Drexler in 95' before starting another 4-peat...

Hard to 4peat when you admittedly don't have the mentality to try and do so.

[3ba11]

Yawn. Giannis and Zion are physically dominant monsters. MJ was a 6’4 shooting guard who could barely dribble. I’m not even sure he’d make the league today. He couldn’t even go left.


Jordan was the "Shaq" of 2-guards and more physically dominant, but I forgot, I'm talking to someone who thinks this constitutes "can't go left"

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/VRcGVrmO2r0

[3ba11]

Hard to 4peat when you admittedly don't have the mentality to try and do so.


MJ didn't think that people would come around 30 years later and make a fake debate based on longevity.. At the time, he took a break because he thought the 3-peat put him over Magic/Bird and made him goat ..

If MJ had lost to Barkley, he would've played in 1994... Guaranteed.. But he averaged 41 to 3-,peat,

and people don't realize that the Suns were viewed as having far more good players and a dominant #2 - MJ knew that he had climbed a mountain by beating them... The most remarkable thing is how MJ naturally increased his 3-point attack against his most stacked Finals opponents (93' Suns and 92' Blazers').. that's goat scoring instinct to somehow know in 1993 "I better shoot more threes so my team has sufficient offense to keep up with this juggernaut"... Seems intuitive, but the Overton window wasn't open to this back then, yet MJ had his own windows... 43% on 5 attempts in the 92' Finals and 39% on 4 attempts for 93' Playoffs & Finals)

[gengiskhan]

That is Shaq's 3-Peat with 3 dominant FMVPs in a row.

Kobe was just along for a ride. He wasnt as important as Pippen was to GOAT.

You put AI or Vinsanity at Kobe's SG position, Shaq still 3-peating with Horry doing all the Clutch work.

Replace Pippen with his size SF like T-Mac, GOAT aint 3-peating. Maybe repeating at best.

[gengiskhan]

That is Shaq's 3-Peat with 3 dominant FMVPs in a row.

Kobe was just along for a ride. He wasnt as important as Pippen was to GOAT.

You put AI or Vinsanity at Kobe's SG position, Shaq still 3-peating with Horry doing all the Clutch work.

Replace Pippen with his size SF like T-Mac, GOAT aint 3-peating. Maybe repeating at best.

[tpols]

Kobe is the GOAT.

Its unfair to hold others to his level of basketball perfection.

Hes an angel now flying high amongst us.

[gengiskhan]

Kobe is the GOAT.

Its unfair to hold others to his level of basketball perfection.

Hes an angel now flying high amongst us.

rapists burn in hell btw.

[red1]

Kobe is the GOAT.

Its unfair to hold others to his level of basketball perfection.

Hes an angel now flying high amongst us.

RIP GOATbe :applause:

[red1]

kobe and jordan is a toss-up, no doubt

[Duffy Pratt]

I’m trying to wrap my head around the idea that Kobe and Shaq should have had multiple 3-peats in a five year span.

[gengiskhan]

kobe and jordan is a toss-up, no doubt

no comparison. Kobe aint even top 10 GOATs.

[ImKobe]

And how would have Kobe and Shaq had a 2nd 3-Peat when Kobe came into his prime in 2001 while Shaq's prime ended in '03 and he left the following year?

Jordan only won 3 in a row as well. It's hard to repeat, much less 3-Peat.

No one's defended their title since the 2018 Warriors. We've only seen 4 teams win in consecutive years since the 90s and Kobe did it twice.

[gengiskhan]

And how would have Kobe and Shaq had a 2nd 3-Peat when Kobe came into his prime in 2001 while Shaq's prime ended in '03 and he left the following year?

Jordan only won 3 in a row as well. It's hard to repeat, much less 3-Peat.

No one's defended their title since the 2018 Warriors. We've only seen 4 teams win in consecutive years since the 90s and Kobe did it twice.

2004 Shaq should've been the FMVP at 58%FG had KoBitch did not sabotage 2004 NBA Finals.

2004 Kobe was still figuring out his sexual orientation btw when he raped in colorado hotel.

even 2008 Kobe did not prime and was slapped around like littke Kobitch by THE TRUTH.

once 2009 Kobe saw notice, amateur 2009 finalists from East Conf, he than shot jocked to 31ppg as the road to win finally got too easy.

What 2004 shaq's KoBitch thought the road was easy and again same rapist mentality in 2008 both resulted in brutal KoBitch a55 shallocking.

Kobe will always be the most overrated, pampared, most inefficient ATG and never top 10.

[gengiskhan]

And how would have Kobe and Shaq had a 2nd 3-Peat when Kobe came into his prime in 2001 while Shaq's prime ended in '03 and he left the following year?

Jordan only won 3 in a row as well. It's hard to repeat, much less 3-Peat.

No one's defended their title since the 2018 Warriors. We've only seen 4 teams win in consecutive years since the 90s and Kobe did it twice.

2004 Shaq should've been the FMVP at 58%FG had KoBitch did not sabotage 2004 NBA Finals.

2004 Kobe was still figuring out his sexual orientation btw when he raped in colorado hotel.

even 2008 Kobe did not prime and was slapped around like littke Kobitch by THE TRUTH.

once 2009 Kobe saw notice, amateur 2009 finalists from East Conf, he than shot jocked to 31ppg as the road to win finally got too easy.

What 2004 shaq's KoBitch thought the road was easy and again same rapist mentality in 2008 both resulted in brutal KoBitch a55 shallocking.

Kobe will always be the most overrated, pampared, most inefficient ATG and never top 10.

[ImKobe]

2004 Shaq should've been the FMVP at 58%FG had KoBitch did not sabotage 2004 NBA Finals.

2004 Kobe was still figuring out his sexual orientation btw when he raped in colorado hotel.

even 2008 Kobe did not prime and was slapped around like littke Kobitch by THE TRUTH.

once 2009 Kobe saw notice, amateur 2009 finalists from East Conf, he than shot jocked to 31ppg as the road to win finally got too easy.

What 2004 shaq's KoBitch thought the road was easy and again same rapist mentality in 2008 both resulted in brutal KoBitch a55 shallocking.

Kobe will always be the most overrated, pampared, most inefficient ATG and never top 10.

meds

[gengiskhan]

meds

2004 ChokBe's NBA finals FG% is 38% at 22.6 ppg. LOL.

This is after him being "gifted" the easiest 3-peat.

2008 ChokBe's NBA Finals FG% is 41.5% at 25.5 ppg.

After NBA gifting him season MVP.

Meds that!

[StrongLurk]

Pippen went 6/6 in the finals, easily a better player than Kobe.