Two Israeli embassy staffers killed by a Pro-Palestian

[Patrick Chewing]

Nazis on ISH celebrate!


I really thought diamenz would beat me to making this thread, but then I remembered that the victims were Jewish.

[diamenz]

don't be ridiculous - it's not a good look.

[Patrick Chewing]

don't be ridiculous - it's not a good look.


Understatement of the year. The problem is, your side is aligned with these lunatics. When you keep accusing Israel and Jews of committing genocide amd when you accuse them of controlling the President and the country and when you stay quiet to blatant hateful antisemitism which calls for Jewish extermination, then of course you're going to get these lunatics that actually think they're doing something good and noble by taking an innocent life. In their mind, they've rationalized open murder. These are your people though. They're on your side. Only way to stop this behavior is to stop spreading lies and stop spreading hate. There are no Jewish protesters marching the streets across America right now. It's only lunatic pro-Palestinians.

[diamenz]

Understatement of the year. The problem is, your side is aligned with these lunatics. When you keep accusing Israel and Jews of committing genocide amd when you accuse them of controlling the President and the country and when you stay quiet to blatant hateful antisemitism which calls for Jewish extermination, then of course you're going to get these lunatics that actually think they're doing something good and noble by taking an innocent life. In their mind, they've rationalized open murder. These are your people though. They're on your side. Only way to stop this behavior is to stop spreading lies and stop spreading hate. There are no Jewish protesters marching the streets across America right now. It's only lunatic pro-Palestinians.

i never used the word genocide. don't conflate my individual stance on this subject with the majority of what you hear from the left just so you can have something to bark about.

look at your op. it's so *ucking petty. i shouldn't even be entertaining this.

[Patrick Chewing]

i never used the word genocide. don't conflate my individual stance on this subject with the majority of what you hear from the left just so you can have something to bark about.

look at your op. it's so *ucking petty. i shouldn't even be entertaining this.

You never use the word genocide, but you've been arm in arm with those that do. All that does is affirm that psychotic behavior by those individuals to take matter into their own hands. I have no doubt that given the opportunity, we have at least one or two members on this site who are that far gone and radicalized that they would go out hunting Jews.

Moral of the story: Disassociate yourself from these psychopaths or at the very least condemn their hateful rhetoric.

[diamenz]

You never use the word genocide, but you've been arm in arm with those that do. All that does is affirm that psychotic behavior by those individuals to take matter into their own hands. I have no doubt that given the opportunity, we have at least one or two members on this site who are that far gone and radicalized that they would go out hunting Jews.

Moral of the story: Disassociate yourself from these psychopaths or at the very least condemn their hateful rhetoric.

take that up with them then.

i'm not obligated to answer to you. i've made my stance on this subject quite clear for some time now. if you can't make that distinction then that's your cross to bear.

[Patrick Chewing]

take that up with them then.

i'm not obligated to answer to you. i've made my stance on this subject quite clear for some time now. if you can't make that distinction then that's your cross to bear.

So you're okay with open murder and Jew hunting because I have to take it up with them, when these are people on your side that believe and support the same thing you do.

Honestly bro, I don't think you have remorse for dead Jews. The first response from you to this senseless act is "it's not a good look".

No wonder this board is a shell of its former self. Jeff has allowed trolls and anti-Semites to run wild while he, a Jew, is in hiding. As much as I defend Jews and their right to exist and their right to their ancient homeland, I cannot defend their cowardice.

[highwhey]

sad news to hear. but what does this have to do with OP weighing 400 POUNDS?

[jstern]

don't be ridiculous - it's not a good look.

It's not a good look, and it's going to produce endless hours of propaganda content. Compare that to the landlord who stab that 6 year old to death, which got minimal coverage (I just looked him up, got 53 years, amazing that there was already a trial and I had no idea about it.) And the very compelling story of the guy who shot 2 Israelis tourists in Miami Beach, thinking they were Palestinians, with the shot Israelis posting, "Death to Arabs" before knowing the reason why they were shot. Under normal circumstances, that story is gold. (In the little coverage that it got, the media completely omitted, cropped out the death to Arab portion of the victim's post).

But things seem to be changing a bit, with the media kind of starting to not run as much Covid like cover for Israel, the past couple of weeks. Sky News for example is starting to call things out. Even the BBC. And that's why I say there's probably going to be no Israel in 50 years, because the Herculean effort that it requires to maintain, capturing governments, media, industries, censoring countries, while calling their neighbor's human animals, and doing things that disgust your average human, from random people in China, to random people in Paraguay, is not sustainable. Now in this era, they need to do that for the entire world, when so much information is readily available. If reporters are in a sense coerced into running cover for things that causes disgust in the average human, any slip up in that, loss of influence, that resentment is going to explode in the opposite direction. And I think that might happen in the future. That probably includes Trump too.

[Patrick Chewing]

:facepalm

[ShawkFactory]

Terrible to hear.

Engaged young couple? Very sad.

[Hey Yo]

Not engaged yet... said he was going to propose next week in Jerusalem.

Sad indeed.

[RRR3]

Nazis on ISH celebrate!


I really thought diamenz would beat me to making this thread, but then I remembered that the victims were Jewish.
No one sane thinks killing random people is good dawg. Targetting people who aren't involved in the genocide is pointless and cruel, won't get any arguments from me here.

[Baller234]

No one sane thinks killing random people is good dawg.

Tell that to the millions of woke lefties around the world who idolize Luigi.

[RRR3]

Tell that to the millions of woke lefties around the world who idolize Luigi.
The person he killed was guilty of preying on the poor and sick and preventing people from getting lifesaving care. The people killed here were just random embassy workers who got unfairly targeted for the actions of Netanyahu and his cronies. Pretty different situations, one is a senseless act of violence and one is a response to violence already committed by Thompson. Sure you can argue killing is wrong regardless and I think there's a decent argument for that for sure, but you can at least see the reasoning Mangione had. The reasoning this person had is just conflating them with the Israeli government perpetrators of the genocide, which is illogical as they were just embassy workers and not members of Netanyahu's inner circle. There are people in the Israeli government who are anti-Netanyahu for that matter as well.

[Baller234]

No one sane thinks killing random people is good dawg.


Sure you can argue killing is wrong regardless and I think there's a decent argument for that for sure, but you can at least see the reasoning Mangione had.

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[ShawkFactory]

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Killing is wrong regardless =/= Killing random people.

The first instance encompasses any killing, just or not.

There is no contradiction there.

[Baller234]

Killing is wrong regardless =/= Killing random people.

The first instance encompasses any killing, just or not.

There is no contradiction there.

Hey Einstein, you can't say "killing is wrong" and then in your next breath say "well I can definitely see his reasoning...". If murdering a person is wrong then there is no justification to be had.

You guys are straight up sociopaths.

[Patrick Chewing]

Hey Einstein, you can't say "killing is wrong" and then in your next breath say "well I can definitely see his reasoning...". If murdering a person is wrong then there is no justification to be had.

You guys are straight up sociopaths.

Exactly. I've never seen so many people with the same belief system out there under one roof apparently. It's a complete disconnect from reality and from morality. It's scary.

[ShawkFactory]

Hey Einstein, you can't say "killing is wrong" and then in your next breath say "well I can definitely see his reasoning...". If murdering a person is wrong then there is no justification to be had.

You guys are straight up sociopaths.

I'm not giving a personal opinion on the matter. I'm just saying there is no contradiction with what he said is all.

A rape victim, or the father of a rape victim, killing the rapist would still encompass "killing". But you could probably see the reasoning, no? Even if it's still wrong.

Killing randos is unequivocal and is a completely different level of evil.

[Baller234]

I'm not giving a personal opinion on the matter. I'm just saying there is no contradiction with what he said is all.

A rape victim, or the father of a rape victim, killing the rapist would still encompass "killing". But you could probably see the reasoning, no? Even if it's still wrong.

Killing randos is unequivocal and is a completely different level of evil.

Yes but when it comes to the father of a rape victim, I can at least cut that person some slack.

That's not the same as murdering an insurance CEO because you personally believe him to be a bad person. If that's the case where do you draw the line? Is the CEO of McDonalds a bad person? How many countless deaths are the result of eating too many double cheeseburgers?

Was the CEO guy a saint? Probably not. Did he deserve to be executed in the street? Definitely not. Once you cross that line you could start justifying the murder of practically anyone you feel is "indirectly" responsible for something bad. That's not good.

Not to mention there's a good chance this Luigi character was a hired gun and not some enraged victim, so the people defending him are even more out of bounds.

[John8204]

Tell that to the millions of woke lefties around the world who idolize Luigi.

45,000 people die because of denied coverage every year. Which means in a generation 1,000,000 people die because of private equity interests in our health care system. The current Gaza death total is 53,000 which means more people died because of insurance bureaucracy than died in the Gaza/Israel war.

Because the right wing in this country is going after the people on insurance instead of the LLC's that defraud the system a million people are going to lose coverage so that number is going to go up.

Easy access to firearms, combined with a lack of mental health screenings, and an Insurance companies that are buoyed by private equity means you and everyone you love...so basically just you are vulnerable to getting shot like a dog in the street because of this.

[ShawkFactory]

Yes but when it comes to the father of a rape victim, I can at least cut that person some slack.

That's not the same as murdering an insurance CEO because you personally believe him to be a bad person. If that's the case where do you draw the line? Is the CEO of McDonalds a bad person? How many countless deaths are the result of eating too many double cheeseburgers?

Was the CEO guy a saint? Probably not. Did he deserve to be executed in the street? Definitely not. Once you cross that line you could start justifying the murder of practically anyone you feel is "indirectly" responsible for something bad. That's not good.

Not to mention there's a good chance this Luigi character was a hired gun and not some enraged victim, so the people defending him are even more out of bounds.

Well therein lies the difference in your thinking. You don't believe or understand the UHC CEO's extreme negative impact. No, it's not the same as the CEO of a company that has people voluntarily decide to eat too much of their product. Denying healthcare coverage bankrupts people, and often even worse. And people insured have no control over this.

But that is all beside the point anyway, in that none of these scenarios deal with the murdering of random innocent people. Which is what happened in the case of this thread and is an incredibly horrible thing to do.

[ArbitraryWater]

If 2 upsets fatso OP, I have bad news for him.

[MrFonzworth]

This is clearly a false flag:facepalm

[Baller234]

45,000 people die because of denied coverage every year. Which means in a generation 1,000,000 people die because of private equity interests in our health care system. The current Gaza death total is 53,000 which means more people died because of insurance bureaucracy than died in the Gaza/Israel war.

Because the right wing in this country is going after the people on insurance instead of the LLC's that defraud the system a million people are going to lose coverage so that number is going to go up.

Easy access to firearms, combined with a lack of mental health screenings, and an Insurance companies that are buoyed by private equity means you and everyone you love...so basically just you are vulnerable to getting shot like a dog in the street because of this.

Dude you have no idea why insurance companies deny coverage to certain people. You don't know the specifics, you don't know the reasoning. I highly doubt you did any serious research on the matter yourself. You just hear "denied coverage" and go into an emotional frenzy.

Yea, lets blame the right wing for the state of health insurance. Lol the nerve for you to say that when lefties supported Obamacare a.k.a. lets monopolize insurance at the government level and charge people a penalty tax for not buying our expensive coverage.

:oldlol:

[Patrick Chewing]

Heil Hitler!

Fixed

[Baller234]

Well therein lies the difference in your thinking. You don't believe or understand the UHC CEO's extreme negative impact. No, it's not the same as the CEO of a company that has people voluntarily decide to eat too much of their product. Denying healthcare coverage bankrupts people, and often even worse. And people insured have no control over this.

But that is all beside the point anyway, in that none of these scenarios deal with the murdering of random innocent people. Which is what happened in the case of this thread and is an incredibly horrible thing to do.

You think human beings are entitled to low cost health insurance?

That's a very interesting stance to take in the same post where you discuss people eating McDonald's everyday.

[ShawkFactory]

You think human beings are entitled to low cost health insurance?

That's a very interesting stance to take in the same post where you discuss people eating McDonald's everyday.

Where did I say that?

I know you didn't respond to me regarding this, but it kinda seems like you don't know how healthcare insurance actually works.

[Baller234]

Where did I say that?

I know you didn't respond to me regarding this, but it kinda seems like you don't know how healthcare insurance actually works.

I'm sure there are cases of insurance companies trying to weasel out of having to cover certain expenses.

That doesn't mean you have a right to shoot the CEO in the back of the head.

[ShawkFactory]

I'm sure there are cases of insurance companies trying to weasel out of having to cover certain expenses.

That doesn't mean you have a right to shoot the CEO in the back of the head.

Again, no I don't think it's right to kill someone.

BUT...no it's not just SOME cases of insurance companies weaseling out of paying. With UHC in particular it's been an ongoing trend of creating difficult-to-meet and sometimes completely unfeasible standards in order to pay out. I went to a seminar a few months ago led by a panel of healthcare leaders in the Atlanta area and it was centered around denials. One of these leaders mentioned the discrepancies they would always have between acute and post-acute care. Very frequently the main hospital would run full and they would have to transfer viable acute patients over to a nearby post-acute rehab hospital to receive treatment, and although they were still receiving acute care based on all documentation, insurance claims would be denied because they were technically housed in a post-acute facility. Can you guess who the main culprit of this was?

These stays are incredibly expensive too and not only does it potentially financially cripple the patients, but it hamstrings the hospital systems too who ethically won't deny care if patients can't pay out of pocket.

They were also the main culprit of the whole pre-existing conditions fiasco a few years back.

Shit like this needs to change and that's why I'm all for federally funded healthcare programs. Yes, premiums are more expensive but grounds for claims payment are FAR less stringent. If these existed for healthy 30-year-olds, premiums wouldn't be like they are now for the over 65 group either.

[diamenz]

I'm sure there are cases of insurance companies trying to weasel out of having to cover certain expenses.

That doesn't mean you have a right to shoot the CEO in the back of the head.

they literally exist to do so. it's how they cash out. you know this.


You think human beings are entitled to low cost health insurance?

That's a very interesting stance to take in the same post where you discuss people eating McDonald's everyday.


why not? people should be free to whatever they want - it's their choice. free country. where's the libertarian in you? they wanna kill themselves at thirty? *uck it, one less unhealthy mother*ucker. that doesn't mean well meaning people should also get ripped of by for=profit insurance. it's a racket, do you not agree with that much?

give people the free to do what they want at the expense of a healthier and more productive country. i agree with everything rfk said the other day - we need to incentivize vfat, lazy people to make better decisions with their health but we pay for shit everyu day with our tax dollars on shit that we don't even know exists. there's so much more in washington that we should be cutting than passing health care reform. cutting the pentagon and ending foreign wars and aid is just a start off the top of my head.

have you seen the budget bill that house republicans passed? it's another massive transfer of wealth to the top. after what we saw with covid how can anyone agree with this? it's *ucking massive. our priorities are all rearranged and we're so caught up in the bullshit while dc corruption laughs all of the way to the bank. the gravy train keeps on moving.

our congress is a shitshow. i wish they'd all die in a plane crash.

[Baller234]

@diamenz

If someone wants to kill themselves at 30 because they do drugs and don't watch their diet, sure that is their right, but now they are also potentially huge drains on the system. When the morbidly obese patient checks into the hospital, it's going to cost a lot of money to treat that person.

If I own a health insurance company, I should not be forced to take on every high risk customer. They are not legally obligated to my services, not if I think they're going to be a net negative.

Now if you're advocating for a taxpayer funded system, the same problem still arises. It's not like we have infinite money and infinite resources. You can't guarantee premium healthcare to every citizen if there are millions of people burdening the system with their stupid and unhealthy life choices.

So yea these people should have the freedom to make themselves sick if they want to, but not if it's on my dime and your dime.

[ShawkFactory]

@diamenz

If someone wants to kill themselves at 30 because they do drugs and don't watch their diet, sure that is their right, but now they are also potentially huge drains on the system. When the morbidly obese patient checks into the hospital, it's going to cost a lot of money to treat that person.

If I own a health insurance company, I should not be forced to take on every high risk customer. They are not legally obligated to my services, not if I think they're going to be a net negative.

Now if you're advocating for a taxpayer funded system, the same problem still arises. It's not like we have infinite money and infinite resources. You can't guarantee premium healthcare to every citizen if there are millions of people burdening the system with their stupid and unhealthy life choices.

So yea these people should have the freedom to make themselves sick if they want to, but not if it's on my dime and your dime.

And the entire point of the other side on this issue is that people like you shouldn't be the ones owning insurance companies. Not to say that you're evil or even alone here. Most people, including myself, are looking for ways to earn the highest profit possible.

Healthcare insurance is just not the realm where I believe that should be the case.

[Baller234]

And the entire point of the other side on this issue is that people like you shouldn't be the ones owning insurance companies. Not to say that you're evil or even alone here. Most people, including myself, are looking for ways to earn the highest profit possible.

Healthcare insurance is just not the realm where I believe that should be the case.

Uh, a health insurance company needs to be remain profitable in order to keep going. If it's not profitable, it goes under.

The same goes for a government system. If it's not operating at a surplus... you either have to cut services, cut funding somewhere else or raise everyone's taxes.

Please if you have a viable alternative I am all ears.

[RRR3]

Uh, a health insurance company needs to be remain profitable in order to keep going. If it's not profitable, it goes under.

The same goes for a government system. If it's not operating at a surplus... you either have to cut services, cut funding somewhere else or raise everyone's taxes.

Please if you have a viable alternative I am all ears.
Yeah he's saying they shouldn't exist, and he's right.

[Baller234]

Yeah he's saying they shouldn't exist, and he's right.

Insurance companies shouldn't exist?

Okay, so I take it you plan on paying for your own health care services then with your own money?

Or, let me guess, you want to pay for it with my money.

[RRR3]

Insurance companies shouldn't exist?

Okay, so I take it you plan on paying for your own health care services then with your own money?

Or, let me guess, you want to pay for it with my money.
Idk are you a billionaire or some other person who makes money exploiting their own workers? I don’t support taxing anyone besides the super rich. If you have a problem with billionaires paying taxes well it’s weird you don’t care about everyday people’s taxes going to fund a genocide.

[Baller234]

Idk are you a billionaire or some other person who makes money exploiting their own workers? I don’t support taxing anyone besides the super rich. If you have a problem with billionaires paying taxes well it’s weird you don’t care about everyday people’s taxes going to fund a genocide.

If you taxed every billionaire at 100% it would still not be enough to fund universal healthcare for every american.

Are you retarded? :oldlol:

[ShawkFactory]

If you taxed every billionaire at 100% it would still not be enough to fund universal healthcare for every american.

Are you retarded? :oldlol:

What does you believe universal healthcare to mean?

[RRR3]

If you taxed every billionaire at 100% it would still not be enough to fund universal healthcare for every american.

Are you retarded? :oldlol:
"Or other person who makes money exploiting their workers/the super rich", stop crying, greedyguts, you must be one of them. Pay up. Imagine crying about the rich getting taxed :roll: And you claim to be for the common man.

[RRR3]

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[Baller234]

"Or other person who makes money exploiting their workers", stop crying, greedyguts, you must be one of them. Pay up. Imagine crying about the rich getting taxed :roll: And you claim to be for the common man.

No you just sound like a fukking retard as usual. :oldlol:

You fantasize about a world where billionaires cover the tab for everyone else's life. Not only is that stupid and immoral to begin with, it's not even feasible mathematically. So it's nothing but a delusional pipe dream. And yet in your sad little world, you consider others to be lesser than you because they don't support your totally implausible solution.

This is why you're always upset 3tard, you have impossibly high expectations.

[RRR3]

No you just sound like a fukking retard as usual. :oldlol:

You fantasize about a world where billionaires cover the tab for everyone else's life. Not only is that stupid and immoral to begin with, it's not even feasible mathematically. So it's nothing but a delusional pipe dream. And yet in your sad little world, you consider others to be lesser than you because they don't support your totally implausible solution.

This is why you're always upset 3tard, you have impossibly high expectations.
"Immoral" is your billionaire buddies not getting to hoard everything :roll: But the everyday citizen having to pay for wars and genocides is good :hammerhead:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploitation_of_labour


^Educate yourself. The uber wealthy are parasites, you are believing exactly what they want (or are you a member of the elite yourself, would explain a lot). Adam Smith talked about this, and he was no socialist.

[Baller234]

What does you believe universal healthcare to mean?

I'm not the one advocating for it.

You tell me what it means. You tell me what your goal is.

I asked you to provide an alternative to the current system and you still haven't.

[RRR3]

I'm not the one advocating for it.

You tell me what it means. You tell me what your goal is.

I asked you to provide an alternative to the current system and you still haven't.
Yes we know you want people to die preventable deaths. I'm like 99.9% sure you're a socioopath.

[RRR3]

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[Baller234]

"Immoral" is your billionaire buddies not getting to hoard everything :roll: But the everyday citizen having to pay for wars and genocides is good :hammerhead:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploitation_of_labour


^Educate yourself. The wealthy are parasites, you are believing exactly what they want (or are you a member of the elite yourself, would explain a lot). Adam Smith talked about this, and he was no socialist.

Okay Einsten.

As of 2024, the total wealth of U.S. billionaires was estimated at $5.5 to $6 trillion.

It is estimated that Universal Healthcare as proposed by Bernie Sanders back in 2020 would cost between $2.5 to $4 trillion. That would mean if we confiscated all the wealth from all the billionaires, we would have enough money to fund this system for about a year and a half.

Is this your brilliant plan?

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[Baller234]

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The left can't meme. :oldlol:

These might work with your gay buddies not here.

[RRR3]

Okay Einsten.

As of 2024, the total wealth of U.S. billionaires was estimated at $5.5 to $6 trillion.

It is estimated that Universal Healthcare as proposed by Bernie Sanders back in 2020 would cost between $2.5 to $4 trillion. That would mean if we confiscated all the wealth from all the billionaires, we would have enough money to fund this system for about a year and a half.

Is this your brilliant plan?

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How much of our tax dollars go towards paying for genocides and wars like I said? Stop wasting money on that too, and tax the wealthier multimillionaires and it can be taken care of. You act like other countries don't laugh at us for not having public healthcare :oldlol:

[RRR3]

The left can't meme. :oldlol:

These might work with your gay buddies not here.
You're devoid of empathy, of course you wouldn't get it. I notice you keep desperately dodging everyday people being taxed for military stuff. Curious!

[Baller234]

How much of our tax dollars go towards paying for genocides and wars like I said? Stop wasting money on that too, and tax the wealthier multimillionaires and it can be taken care of. You act like other countries don't laugh at us for not having public healthcare :oldlol:

But wait, just before you said you weren't in favor of taxing anyone but the super rich. If the super rich are paying for our healthcare, where else are we going to get these extra tax dollars from?

How can we cut from other programs if the taxes aren't being collected?

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[RRR3]

But wait, just before you said you weren't in favor of taxing anyone but the super rich. If the super rich are paying for our healthcare, where else are we going to get these extra tax dollars from?

How can we cut from other programs if the taxes aren't being collected?

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"Programs". So you think it's important for us to genocide Palestine and bomb Yemen? Because you are currently paying tax dollars for that :oldlol: Don't hear you whining about that.

[RRR3]

Btw Dwyane Wade would absolutely hate you :roll:

[Baller234]

"Programs". So you think it's important for us to genocide Palestine and bomb Yemen? Because you are currently paying tax dollars for that :oldlol: Don't hear you whining about that.

Don't try and change the subject.

You said only the super rich should pay taxes. That means you think billionaires should fund healthcare, defense, education, welfare... all of it. But it's already been explained to you that there isn't enough money for that. Not even close.

So if we're not collecting taxes from the average citizen, where is this money coming from?

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[RRR3]

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I didn't say just billionaires and you know it, should have just said the upper crust of society. Keep stomping your feet, it's hilarious watching you throw a tantrum about the idea of poor people getting taken care of.

It's not changing the subject either, you think taxes are good when they're for stuff YOU want like bombing brown people. It's hypocritical.

[Baller234]

I didn't say just billionaires and you know it, should have just said the upper crust of society. Keep stomping your feet, it's hilarious watching you throw a tantrum about the idea of poor people getting taken care of.

It's not changing the subject either, you think taxes are good when they're for stuff YOU want like bombing brown people. It's hypocritical.

You said the "super rich" should pay all of our taxes.

Okay, define super rich. Enlighten us.

How much money is "super rich"? At what income level should you be exempt from paying taxes?

[RRR3]

You said the "super rich" should pay all of our taxes.

Okay, define super rich. Enlighten us.

How much money is "super rich"? At what income level should you be exempt from paying taxes?
Idk, I'm not an economist and I'm too lazy to spend a long time researching the answer just to come up with something I am 100% certain you will say is stupid and "immoral" (:oldlol:). Maybe if you were willing to listen to other points of view I'd do the work, but you literally never move an inch. You're expecting me to put in a lot of work to come up with something you will instantly reject because I say it. Like if I come back and say "ok let's tax everyone who makes over 379.5 million" you 100% will have the same enraged response about taxation is theft when it's not used to bomb brown people.

Now answer me about the war stuff. You like paying taxes then.

[Baller234]

3tard if you're going to present an alternative solution to the current tax system, don't you think you have an obligation to explain how it works? :oldlol:


3tard:

"Hey the current tax system is unfair I have a better idea, we tax the super rich at 100% and have them pay for everything..."

Normal Person:

"Is that feasible? Can you tell me more? At what point is someone considered super rich...?"

3tard:

"I have no idea, I'm not an economist..."




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[RRR3]

3tard if you're going to present an alternative solution to the current tax system, don't you think you have an obligation to explain how it works? :oldlol:


3tard:

"Hey the current tax system is unfair I have a better idea, we tax the super rich at 100% and have them pay for everything..."

Normal Person:

"Is that feasible? Can you tell me more? At what point is someone considered super rich...?"

3tard:

"I have no idea, I'm not an economist..."




https://media3.giphy.com/media/J2DYCDA15pTau86IGr/giphy.gif?cid=6c09b9528xg3dbkx235jl3t1hfywxr700qb1 guqiy6rlu7ax&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g
I don't have an obligation to spend a long time doing economic research just to get an exact answer to someone who is automatically going to reject my answer, no. Also....


https://www.citizen.org/news/fact-check-medicare-for-all-would-save-the-u-s-trillions-public-option-would-leave-millions-uninsured-not-garner-savings/




Your system is costing us more, aren't you about saving. I'm not saying I agree with Bernie completely btw.

[Baller234]

3tard, why can't you just define for us what "super rich" means? It's a very simple question.

YOU said that only the super rich should pay taxes.

Okay, what is super rich?

[RRR3]

3tard, why can't you just define for us what "super rich" means? It's a very simple question.

YOU said that only the super rich should pay taxes.

Okay, what is super rich?
Let's say I was being too pie in the sky for the sake of argument and you were right. Ok? Now, how is it WORSE to save money with m4a than our current system? https://www.citizen.org/news/fact-check-medicare-for-all-would-save-the-u-s-trillions-public-option-would-leave-millions-uninsured-not-garner-savings/ Aren't you always worried about saving the country money? Even if you think this plan is highly flawed, it's surely BETTER than the current one yes?

[Baller234]

Let's say I was being too pie in the sky for the sake of argument and you were right. Ok? Now, how is it WORSE to save money with m4a than our current system? https://www.citizen.org/news/fact-check-medicare-for-all-would-save-the-u-s-trillions-public-option-would-leave-millions-uninsured-not-garner-savings/ Aren't you always worried about saving the country money? Even if you think this plan is highly flawed, it's surely BETTER than the current one yes?

Sorry I refuse to entertain you if you're just going to link to random commie leaning editorials with Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren being portrayed as heroes.

Debate like a man and back up your own claims.

[RRR3]

Sorry I refuse to entertain you if you're just going to link to random commie leaning editorials with Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren being portrayed as heroes.

Debate like a man and back up your own claims.
You realized that source included a Koch funded institute study that found it would save us money yes? Do you think the Kochs are commies?

[ShawkFactory]

I'm not the one advocating for it.

You tell me what it means. You tell me what your goal is.

I asked you to provide an alternative to the current system and you still haven't.

I don't know the perfect system. But I do know, and you seem to agree, that the current model is fvcked up. That's a start.

Enough people speaking up about this can affect actual change amongst people way smarter than I am.

Off the top of my head though, could treat insurance companies as federal franchise programs run by government-paid (handsomely paid) executives. They must adhere to a specific set of regulations regarding claim payment and premium pricing, but how they go about it from an overhead, marketing, headcount standpoint is completely up to them. There could be quarterly reports/audits and all they would have to do stay running is to break even, and because of a set wage for these individuals there is no incentive to increase profits further.

I don't know. Just off the top of my head. Of course more thought on that would have to be put in.

[Overdrive]

Hey Einstein, you can't say "killing is wrong" and then in your next breath say "well I can definitely see his reasoning...". If murdering a person is wrong then there is no justification to be had.

You guys are straight up sociopaths.

Leaving out "random" just shows your manipulative nature. You're just not very good at it.

[Overdrive]

Sorry I refuse to entertain you if you're just going to link to random commie leaning editorials with Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren being portrayed as heroes.

Debate like a man and back up your own claims.

A bit ironic, that you rightwingers attacked big pharma during covid for manipulating the public, but it's absolute ok that a insurance company lobby implemented a narrative that m4a is communism. Atleast be some sort of coherent.

[Patrick Chewing]

It's weird how hard it is for some of you to say that yeah, murder is bad. Period.

[RRR3]

It's weird how hard it is for some of you to say that yeah, murder is bad. Period.
Everyone thought the stuff in the OP was bad what are you even talking about

[highwhey]

It's weird how hard it is for some of you to say that yeah, murder is bad. Period.

it absolutely is, in any scenario like blocking or limiting aid to innocent civilians in a war or straight up shooting kids and women from helicopters after bombing innocent palestinians.

oh wait, forgot you're a biggot.

[MrFonzworth]

Crazy that OP is actually 400 lbs

[highwhey]

Crazy that OP is actually 400 lbs

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/image.php?u=300938&dateline=1569891533

[Patrick Chewing]

Everyone thought the stuff in the OP was bad what are you even talking about

And then we brought up the United Healthcare CEO and you guys started making excuses for murder.

[RRR3]

And then we brought up the United Healthcare CEO and you guys started making excuses for murder.
Poor reading comprehension and blatant hypocrisy as usual.

[Patrick Chewing]

Poor reading comprehension and blatant hypocrisy as usual.

I comprehend quite well. You're literally justifying murder in the first post you made the moment it was brought up.


The person he killed was guilty of preying on the poor and sick and preventing people from getting lifesaving care. The people killed here were just random embassy workers who got unfairly targeted for the actions of Netanyahu and his cronies. Pretty different situations, one is a senseless act of violence and one is a response to violence already committed by Thompson. Sure you can argue killing is wrong regardless and I think there's a decent argument for that for sure, but you can at least see the reasoning Mangione had. The reasoning this person had is just conflating them with the Israeli government perpetrators of the genocide, which is illogical as they were just embassy workers and not members of Netanyahu's inner circle. There are people in the Israeli government who are anti-Netanyahu for that matter as well.

[RRR3]

Patty's dim :(

[Patrick Chewing]

Patty's dim :(

As I was saying, a lot of you support murder.

[RRR3]

As I was saying, a lot of you support murder.
Yawn, all you can do is make things emotional, no rational debating ever. Not interested. Come back with better.

[Patrick Chewing]

Yawn, all you can do is make things emotional, no rational debating ever. Not interested. Come back with better.

I basically gave you receipts of you justifying murder or rationalizing it after you said that no one here was. You then proceed to call me dim because you got caught lying, and you want to have a rational debate?? :oldlol:

[RRR3]

No I explained the difference in the reactions people had and why it was that way. Nowhere did I say murder is justified, you are putting words in my mouth.

[Patrick Chewing]

No I explained the difference in the reactions people had and why it was that way. Nowhere did I say murder is justified, you are putting words in my mouth.

You said, and I quote: "Sure you can argue killing is wrong"

You cannot argue over something that will always be wrong, no matter what. By you saying what you said, you're allowing yourself and the other readers to find an avenue in which one could argue that killing is somehow morally justified.

Let's be clear, the only acceptable time where you would be in a place to kill someone is if your own very life was in danger. This Mangione clown thought he was a vigilante or some kind of freedom fighter. His life was never in danger from UH's CEO. He shot him in the back for fame, and now he's going to spend the rest of his life in jail.

[RRR3]

You said, and I quote: "Sure you can argue killing is wrong"

You cannot argue over something that will always be wrong, no matter what. By you saying what you said, you're allowing yourself and the other readers to find an avenue in which one could argue that killing is somehow morally justified.

Let's be clear, the only acceptable time where you would be in a place to kill someone is if your own very life was in danger. This Mangione clown thought he was a vigilante or some kind of freedom fighter. His life was never in danger from UH's CEO. He shot him in the back for fame, and now he's going to spend the rest of his life in jail.
Would killing Netanyahu be wrong, fats?

[Baller234]

I don't know the perfect system. But I do know, and you seem to agree, that the current model is fvcked up. That's a start.

Enough people speaking up about this can affect actual change amongst people way smarter than I am.

Off the top of my head though, could treat insurance companies as federal franchise programs run by government-paid (handsomely paid) executives. They must adhere to a specific set of regulations regarding claim payment and premium pricing, but how they go about it from an overhead, marketing, headcount standpoint is completely up to them. There could be quarterly reports/audits and all they would have to do stay running is to break even, and because of a set wage for these individuals there is no incentive to increase profits further.

I don't know. Just off the top of my head. Of course more thought on that would have to be put in.

Sorry but this answer isn't going to cut it. You're over here making all kinds of accusations about all kinds of people, how people are selfish for supporting the current system and blah blah... but you offer no viable solution of your own.

How the hell is an insurance company supposed to put away reserves for future payouts if they aren't allowed to operate on profit? You're over here complaining that they don't pay out enough claims but at the same time you want to cut them at the knees financially? You sound almost as ridiculous as 3tard here.

I mean how are these companies supposed to reinvest into the businesses? How can they ever improve or innovate if the government is regulating every penny they earn?

Also, if the insurance companies are run by government officials, nothing changes. Those execs still have to stay under budget and make cuts all the same. What, you think the government is just gonna let them give away all the money? Of course not, they're gonna cut back on services as well because they have to stay solvent. At least a privately owned company is beholden to the paying customer and not the government.

I really don't think you thought this through. I think like most progressive woke leftists, you're striving for an impossible utopia that could never exist and isn't practical.

[Baller234]

A bit ironic, that you rightwingers attacked big pharma during covid for manipulating the public, but it's absolute ok that a insurance company lobby implemented a narrative that m4a is communism. Atleast be some sort of coherent.

WTF does being against big pharma have to do with supporting medicare for all? :oldlol:

3tard is a shoe-in for Most Retarded Poster (MRP), but you're definitely making a strong case for All-Retard 1st Team on ISH.

[Patrick Chewing]

Would killing Netanyahu be wrong, fats?

If someone went up to Netanyahu and killed him, yes, it would be wrong.

[Baller234]

You realized that source included a Koch funded institute study that found it would save us money yes? Do you think the Kochs are commies?

Dude, just stop.

You've already shown an alarming amount of ignorance. The fact that you even thought it was possible for billionaires to fund our way of life for every citizen, the fact that you even spoke it into existence in an honest attempt to sound intelligent... maybe you should show some humility and sit the fukk down.

Maybe you don't have all the answers and you should stop pretending you're this enlightened thinker who's better and more compassionate than everyone.

[RRR3]

If someone went up to Netanyahu and killed him, yes, it would be wrong.
Why? He's committing a genocide. He's on the same moral level as someone like Pol Pot. Monsters.

[RRR3]

Dude, just stop.

You've already shown an alarming amount of ignorance. The fact that you even thought it was possible for billionaires to fund our way of life for every citizen, the fact that you even spoke it into existence in an honest attempt to sound intelligent... maybe you should show some humility and sit the fukk down.

Maybe you don't have all the answers and you should stop pretending you're this enlightened thinker who's better and more compassionate than everyone.
You wrote a lot to deflect from the fact that you can't refute that m4A is better than our current system and would save us money :lol

You are incapable of ceding a point, another sign of sociopathy....

[ShawkFactory]

Sorry but this answer isn't going to cut it. You're over here making all kinds of accusations about all kinds of people, how people are selfish for supporting the current system and blah blah... but you offer no viable solution of your own.

How the hell is an insurance company supposed to put away reserves for future payouts if they aren't allowed to operate on profit? You're over here complaining that they don't pay out enough claims but at the same time you want to cut them at the knees financially? You sound almost as ridiculous as 3tard here.

I mean how are these companies supposed to reinvest into the businesses? How can they ever improve or innovate if the government is regulating every penny they earn?

Also, if the insurance companies are run by government officials, nothing changes. Those execs still have to stay under budget and make cuts all the same. What, you think the government is just gonna let them give away all the money? Of course not, they're gonna cut back on services as well because they have to stay solvent. At least a privately owned company is beholden to the paying customer and not the government.

I really don't think you thought this through. I think like most progressive woke leftists, you're striving for an impossible utopia that could never exist and isn't practical.

For starters..I don't really think you understood the point of what I just said. Is my literal two minute off the dome proposal going to cover the entire scope of this? Of course not. Good on you for missing the point, as you have a talent for doing. I said, and I quote (thank you thank you):


I don't know the perfect system. But I do know, and you seem to agree, that the current model is fvcked up. That's a start.

Enough people speaking up about this can affect actual change amongst people way smarter than I am.

So whatever. I don't fvcking know dude but it's not really a utopian thing either. Specific systematic model changes have occurred. I'm not saying tear the whole government down or some shit.


Also, if the insurance companies are run by government officials, nothing changes. Those execs still have to stay under budget and make cuts all the same. What, you think the government is just gonna let them give away all the money?

Missing the point again. I could go back and forth with constructive edits to what I initially said..but what good would that do with you.

[Baller234]

You wrote a lot to deflect from the fact that you can't refute that m4A is better than our current system and would save us money :lol

You are incapable of ceding a point, another sign of sociopathy....

We should fund m4a with the money tree in Warren Buffet's tomato garden, and we should keep a huge bucket in front of Jeff Bezos's mansion to collect all the money that falls from the sky.

I'm being sarcastic of course but this is actually 3tard's brilliant plan to fund universal healthcare. :oldlol:

[Patrick Chewing]

Why? He's committing a genocide. He's on the same moral level as someone like Pol Pot. Monsters.

He's defending his country. He's in a war the Palestinians started.

[ShawkFactory]

He's defending his country. He's in a war the Palestinians started.

:applause:

[RRR3]

We should fund m4a with the money tree in Warren Buffet's tomato garden, and we should keep a huge bucket in front of Jeff Bezos's mansion to collect all the money that falls from the sky.

I'm being sarcastic of course but this is was actually 3tard's brilliant plan to fund universal healthcare. :oldlol:
Why can't you stop deflecting? You got exposed as not knowing m4a is cheaper than our current system. So you're just gonna troll when you're proven wrong?

[RRR3]

He's defending his country. He's in a war the Palestinians started.
First of all, like I already said the goal of Israel has been stated to just completely wipe Gaza off the map regardless of Hamas. How is that defending the country? How is starving an entire population including children defending the country?

This is ignoring that the conflict was started by Israel before you were even born, and that Netanyahu himself funded Hamas to make sure left wing groups in Palestine didn't gain prominence.

[Baller234]

For starters..I don't really think you understood the point of what I just said. Is my literal two minute off the dome proposal going to cover the entire scope of this? Of course not. Good on you for missing the point, as you have a talent for doing. I said, and I quote (thank you thank you):



So whatever. I don't fvcking know dude but it's not really a utopian thing either. Specific systematic model changes have occurred. I'm not saying tear the whole government down or some shit.



Missing the point again. I could go back and forth with constructive edits to what I initially said..but what good would that do with you.

"Hey you're like missing the point mannn. You're being selfish mannn...."

"The current system is unfair mannn. All my ideas are illogical and stupid but something has to change mannn..."

:oldlol:

[RRR3]

:applause:
You're pro Israel now?

[Baller234]

Why can't you stop deflecting? You got exposed as not knowing m4a is cheaper than our current system. So you're just gonna troll when you're proven wrong?

You wanted to tax all the billionaires at 100%.

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[RRR3]

You wanted to tax all the billionaires at 100%.

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
If you're going to refuse to stop trolling you will be ignored. Like, yes, we should tax the unholy shit out of people making that much money if capitalism is going to continue. But that's not even what I'm talking about now. Talk about m4a costing less

[ShawkFactory]

You're pro Israel now?

Just a joke. Clapping at an elementary talking point that we're all way past at this point.

[RRR3]

Just a joke. Clapping at an elementary talking point that we're all way past at this point.
Oh yeah no doubt. I'll give Chewing this at least he's changing the subject when I have information he doesn't like unlike a certain somebody.

[Baller234]

If you're going to refuse to stop trolling you will be ignored. Like, yes, we should tax the unholy shit out of people making that much money if capitalism is going to continue. But that's not even what I'm talking about now. Talk about m4a costing less

3tard:

"Hey I know I began this debate by advocating for something totally delusional and retarded but can we move on please and focus on something else now?..."

:oldlol:

[Overdrive]

It's weird how hard it is for some of you to say that yeah, murder is bad. Period.

Aren't you the guy that continuesly threatened to shoot up libs with his guns?


WTF does being against big pharma have to do with supporting medicare for all? :oldlol:

3tard is a shoe-in for Most Retarded Poster (MRP), but you're definitely making a strong case for All-Retard 1st Team on ISH.

I already told you abstract thinking isn't yours. Kenny, you're good at writing nice posts, but you succumb to the simplest logic fallacies while being dishonest and manipulative.

I'll lay it out for you in simplest possible language:

During covid - right wingers:
Vaccine bad. Big pharma agenda. Objective: Gain money. Politics = corp shills.
Overall medical crisis ongoing for decades:
Rightwingers parroting insurrance corp agenda. Policy that would leave insurrancies with less money and help people = bad, communism.

If that's still too much:

Topic A: Corps bad. We're for the ppl.
Topic B: We parrot corp agenda. F the ppl.

[Baller234]

Aren't you the guy that continuesly threatened to shoot up libs with his guns?



I already told you abstract thinking isn't yours. Kenny, you're good at writing nice posts, but you succumb to the simplest logic fallacies while being dishonest and manipulative.

I'll lay it out for you in simplest possible language:

During covid - right wingers:
Vaccine bad. Big pharma agenda. Objective: Gain money. Politics = corp shills.
Overall medical crisis ongoing for decades:
Rightwingers parroting insurrance corp agenda. Policy that would leave insurrancies with less money and help people = bad, communism.

If that's still too much:

Topic A: Corps bad. We're for the ppl.
Topic B: We parrot corp agenda. F the ppl.

You're aware that the big pharma companies and the insurance companies are separate entities right?

So according to you, the ONLY way to rein in big pharma is to hand over control of our entire healthcare system to the government? :oldlol:

All-Retard 1st Team selection confirmed. :oldlol:

[ShawkFactory]

"Hey you're like missing the point mannn. You're being selfish mannn...."

"The current system is unfair mannn. All my ideas are illogical and stupid but something has to change mannn..."

:oldlol:

You’re truly impossible…mannn

[Baller234]

You’re truly impossible…mannn

Lol, more like your proposals are impossible mannnn.

As with most lefties, whether it's healthcare or something else, you argue there's some huge problem that needs fixing but you can never provide a viable alternative solution. It's always some delusional pipe dream that can't work and isn't practical.

There is no perfect system when it comes to health insurance but capitalism and the free market is the best option we have. If you want to reduce pricing and improve services, then introduce more companies into the sphere and let competition take it's natural course. Obviously I'm okay with government regulation if it's in the interest of the consumer, but I definitely don't want the government in charge of my healthcare in totality.

[ShawkFactory]

Lol, more like your proposals are impossible mannnn.

As with most lefties, whether it's healthcare or something else, you argue there's some huge problem that needs fixing but you can never provide a viable alternative solution. It's always some delusional pipe dream that can't work and isn't practical.

There is no perfect system when it comes to health insurance but capitalism and the free market is the best option we have. If you want to reduce pricing and improve services, then introduce more companies into the sphere and let competition take it's natural course. Obviously I'm okay with government regulation if it's in the interest of the consumer, but I definitely don't want the government in charge of my healthcare in totality.

Ahhhh you said mannn one too many times. You know that you're incredibly cringey, right? Get a new gif too for christsakes :lol

But fine, I'll address your critique even though I know it's a waste of time because you've never once shown that you are able or willing to grasp anything that I say. Got about 15 minutes before my wife and I meet some friends at the pool so..fvck it.


How the hell is an insurance company supposed to put away reserves for future payouts if they aren't allowed to operate on profit?

Two things wrong here:

1) Maybe you forgot about premiums? No one is saying healthcare should be free. Or at least thinks that it can be. Like tax brackets, premiums based on income. You can claim that that's not fair and I'll listen (it's what adults do when figuring out solutions).
2) I didn't say they aren't allowed to operate on profit. I said because that those running these companies aren't paid based on profits, that they aren't incentivized to operate this way. Once again, you're twisting things and seeing only what you want to see.

That's not to say anyone off the streets could start one of these companies. You'd obviously have to be qualified, and salary could be based on the number insured with you. So with that you aren't incentivized to operate solely for profit, but you are incentivized to operate well to attract more customers.


You're over here complaining that they don't pay out enough claims but at the same time you want to cut them at the knees financially?

Addressed. They're not being cut at the knees financially, but having to adhere to a strict set of rules regarding payout.


I mean how are these companies supposed to reinvest into the businesses? How can they ever improve or innovate if the government is regulating every penny they earn?

Addressed with my previous. Profit for personal wealth not mattering means that this would go toward reinvestments, improvement, innovation, etc. to make things more user-friendly and efficient.


Also, if the insurance companies are run by government officials

Didn't say that. A franchise owner in any business has the freedom to operate as they please as long as a certain set of rules are followed.


What, you think the government is just gonna let them give away all the money?

That's why I said they aren't allowed to operate if they don't break even...

Hell, lets call it 1.5% above.


I really don't think you thought this through.

No, I didn't. In fact I told you that I came up with it on the spot and already stated that coming up the best solutions for complex problems takes a village. And compromise (not your thing, I know). Is this the perfect solution? Of course not. But enough people addressing the issue can start enough conversations to where a happy medium can be found.

[Patrick Chewing]

First of all, like I already said the goal of Israel has been stated to just completely wipe Gaza off the map regardless of Hamas. How is that defending the country? How is starving an entire population including children defending the country?

This is ignoring that the conflict was started by Israel before you were even born, and that Netanyahu himself funded Hamas to make sure left wing groups in Palestine didn't gain prominence.

If Israel wanted Gaza wiped off the map, they would have done so already.

And so no one forgets, it is the Palestinians that have shouted that they want Israel wiped off the map. Not the other way around.

[Patrick Chewing]

Aren't you the guy that continuesly threatened to shoot up libs with his guns?


And isn't it Liberals who time and time again ACTUALLY go out and kill people they don't agree with?

The mentally fragile Left. They accuse the Right of being Nazis, but yet they go around hunting and killing Jews. :oldlol:

[Overdrive]

You're aware that the big pharma companies and the insurance companies are separate entities right?

So according to you, the ONLY way to rein in big pharma is to hand over control of our entire healthcare system to the government? :oldlol:

All-Retard 1st Team selection confirmed. :oldlol:

It's seriously impossible to have a discussion with you. Any more words into your direction are absolute futile as you are either incapable of understanding what is said to you or you purposefully draw conclusions to warp the argument. I knew you wouldn't even be able to grasp the Topic A and B thing.

[RRR3]

It's seriously impossible to have a discussion with you. Any more words into your direction are absolute futile as you are either incapable of understanding what is said to you or you purposefully draw conclusions to warp the argument. I knew you wouldn't even be able to grasp the Topic A and B thing.
When he doesn’t have a counter he resorts to trolling.

[MrFonzworth]

And isn't it Liberals who time and time again ACTUALLY go out and kill people they don't agree with?

The mentally fragile Left. They accuse the Right of being Nazis, but yet they go around hunting and killing Jews. :oldlol:

The Left stands on business whereas you only posture online anonymously.

In reality you're a 400lb lard ass that would get bullied by a purple hair trans woman:pimp:

[Baller234]

@Shawkfactory

I could respond to every ridiculous thing you said but I’ll save us both the time and address this following argument you made because it cuts right to the heart of the issue.



I didn't say they aren't allowed to operate on profit. I said because that those running these companies aren't paid based on profits, that they aren't incentivized to operate this way. Once again, you're twisting things and seeing only what you want to see.

This right here is proof you view the world through the lens of some fantasy utopia.

Nobody runs a company unless they intend to profit. In order for a company to be self sustaining, it needs to be profitable. The same thing applies to the person managing the company. If you run a business but your business manager is losing you money, would you keep that person on staff???

The moment you remove a profit incentive or a cost cutting incentive, the business ceases to operate. What you are referring to is not business, it is charity. You want healthcare to be one giant charity. Not only that, you don't want there to be any requirements or standards. Millions of illegals pour in? They get healthcare. Crackhead mom wants to have 6 more kids? They get healthcare. Obese doordash addicts? They get healthcare.

How is this model sustainable???

[Baller234]

It's seriously impossible to have a discussion with you. Any more words into your direction are absolute futile as you are either incapable of understanding what is said to you or you purposefully draw conclusions to warp the argument. I knew you wouldn't even be able to grasp the Topic A and B thing.

No you're just a moron trying to equate two different things that have no connection to one another.

It's perfectly reasonable to be skeptical of big pharma AND your idea for magical commie healthcare. The two don't go hand and hand at all.

If you understood why, you wouldn't have been selected to 1st team.

[Overdrive]

No you're just a moron trying to equate two different things that have no connection to one another.

It's perfectly reasonable to be skeptical of big pharma AND your idea for magical commie healthcare. The two don't go hand and hand at all.

If you understood why, you wouldn't have been selected to 1st team.

So magical it's been working in western Europe for decades. The thing threatening it are neo liberal reaganomics disciples, who - who would've thought - are close to private insurance corps. The US is a corp ruled, plutocratic 3rd world shithole with money, that's why you'll never get any non corporate perspective on things, but keep on draining the swamp.

You thinking it's magical just goes to show how uneducated you are on a larger scale. This was my last post aimed at you itt or in general even. A pigeon is better suited to have a conversation with. So spare me another answer, it's BS anyway.

[ShawkFactory]

@Shawkfactory

I could respond to every ridiculous thing you said but I’ll save us both the time and address this following argument you made because it cuts right to the heart of the issue.




This right here is proof you view the world through the lens of some fantasy utopia.

Nobody runs a company unless they intend to profit. In order for a company to be self sustaining, it needs to be profitable. The same thing applies to the person managing the company. If you run a business but your business manager is losing you money, would you keep that person on staff???

The moment you remove a profit incentive or a cost cutting incentive, the business ceases to operate. What you are referring to is not business, it is charity. You want healthcare to be one giant charity. Not only that, you don't want there to be any requirements or standards. Millions of illegals pour in? They get healthcare. Crackhead mom wants to have 6 more kids? They get healthcare. Obese doordash addicts? They get healthcare.

How is this model sustainable???

Yep…that’s about what I expected.

[Baller234]

Yep…that’s about what I expected.

What a coward and a joke you are. What, too much pride to admit that maybe you were wrong and your ideas aren't practical?

So you're telling us that if you owned a business, and the person you hired to manage the company was losing you money, you would keep that person on staff?

Please tell us the answer is yes so we can all see how smart you are.

[ShawkFactory]

What a coward and a joke you are. What, too much pride to admit that maybe you were wrong and your ideas aren't practical?

So you're telling us that if you owned a business, and the person you hired to manage the company was losing you money, you would keep that person on staff?

Please tell us the answer is yes so we can all see how smart you are.

:roll:

Holy shit. I needed that one :lol

No, you’re just too dogmatic in your views that your are simply not grasping what I’m saying. Excusing myself from commenting further is then practical, not cowardly.

Pointless to discuss solutions with someone who doesn’t believe there’s a problem.

It’s your world and we just live in it. Apparently.

[Baller234]

:roll:

Holy shit. I needed that one :lol

No, you’re just too dogmatic in your views that your are simply not grasping what I’m saying. Excusing myself from commenting further is then practical, not cowardly.

Pointless to discuss solutions with someone who doesn’t believe there’s a problem.

It’s your world and we just live in it. Apparently.

What do you mean I'm not grasping what you're saying?

You said in an ideal situation the person who manages the health insurance company shouldn't be incentivized by profit chasing or cost cutting. Did you not?

Okay, please tell me how that works.

[ShawkFactory]

What do you mean I'm not grasping what you're saying?

You said in an ideal situation the person who manages the health insurance company shouldn't be incentivized by profit chasing or cost cutting. Did you not?

Okay, please tell me how that works.

Bro…I already did explain it. Go back and read.

[RRR3]

So magical it's been working in western Europe for decades. The thing threatening it are neo liberal reaganomics disciples, who - who would've thought - are close to private insurance corps. The US is a corp ruled, plutocratic 3rd world shithole with money, that's why you'll never get any non corporate perspective on things, but keep on draining the swamp.

You thinking it's magical just goes to show how uneducated you are on a larger scale. This was my last post aimed at you itt or in general even. A pigeon is better suited to have a conversation with. So spare me another answer, it's BS anyway.
It's also cheaper than our current system.

[Hey Yo]

So magical it's been working in western Europe for decades. The thing threatening it are neo liberal reaganomics disciples, who - who would've thought - are close to private insurance corps. The US is a corp ruled, plutocratic 3rd world shithole with money, that's why you'll never get any non corporate perspective on things, but keep on draining the swamp.

You thinking it's magical just goes to show how uneducated you are on a larger scale. This was my last post aimed at you itt or in general even. A pigeon is better suited to have a conversation with. So spare me another answer, it's BS anyway.

How's that new U.K trade deal going for ya, chico?

[Baller234]

So magical it's been working in western Europe for decades. The thing threatening it are neo liberal reaganomics disciples, who - who would've thought - are close to private insurance corps. The US is a corp ruled, plutocratic 3rd world shithole with money, that's why you'll never get any non corporate perspective on things, but keep on draining the swamp.

You thinking it's magical just goes to show how uneducated you are on a larger scale. This was my last post aimed at you itt or in general even. A pigeon is better suited to have a conversation with. So spare me another answer, it's BS anyway.

"So magical it's been working in Europe for decades..."

:oldlol:

First of all there's nothing "magical" about the healthcare in these countries. You could be on a 14 month waiting list for a hip surgery. You're not a valued customer or patient, you're just another number.

Second, the countries that make up the EU don't have a fraction of the overhead expenses that the U.S. does. They don't even have their own centralized army. They rely on U.S. military to protect them. You think they could afford the commie care if they also had to defend themselves?