View Full Version : 2010 BOS was twice the underdog as 91' DET and 32/33/34 vs 27/29/29 yr old core
3ba11
05-25-2025, 03:02 PM
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Underdog Status
2010 Celtics vs Cavs (+500 underdog)
1991 Pistons vs Bulls (+210 underdog)
https://www.sportsoddshistory.com/nba-team/?sa=nba&Team=Chicago+Bulls#series
So the narrative that says "MJ didn't beat the Pistons until they were old" is false.. It's a PROJECTION of Lebron, who actually lost to the fossil Celtics in 2010 despite being twice the favorite that MJ was against the 91' Pistons, and facing 30-somethings compared to MJ facing 20-somethings.. Wade actually led the PPG and APG when Lebron finally got past the Celtics in the 11' ECSF.
jayfan
05-26-2025, 03:43 PM
Wow, 24 hours later and not a single clap-back.
Maybe you got 'em.
gengiskhan
05-26-2025, 03:55 PM
Wow, 24 hours later and not a single clap-back.
Maybe you got 'em.
3Ball is on the role.
now he got them by the balls.
3ba11
05-26-2025, 04:30 PM
Wow, 24 hours later and not a single clap-back.
Maybe you got 'em.
That's because Klutch Sports hasn't touched on this one... But history shows that Lebron ran away from fossils that were 32/33/34 years old and +500 underdogs, while MJ stayed against defending champions that were 27/29/29 years old and only +210 underdogs
It's easy to forget that the 2010 Cavs were a Year 7 organic juggernaut and league favorite - they acquired a rare 20k scorer at 3rd option (Jamison) and better defensive ranking than the 1st three-peat Bulls (this is true in 07' as well, i.e. several years prior to Lebron making All-Defense).
There was a 1-star organic chip up for grabs in 2011, which Dirk grabbed, but the Cavs would've had the long-standing chemistry and defense to sweep the Mavs.
3ba11
05-28-2025, 01:45 PM
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It's easy to forget that the 2019 Lakers had Zubacs, Caruso, Josh Hart, Ingram, Kuzma, Rondo, and KCP, yet Lebron couldn't develop this into a champion like Jordan did with far less help (Grant, BJ, Pippen)..
People simply forget that Lebron diluted the East with the "decision" to put the top 3 first options in the conference on 1 team, aka super-team, aka big 3, aka "not 6, not 7"... This dilution allowed him to win the 2013 East without facing a 50-win opponent, or the 14' ECF with only 22.8 ppg from Lebron... That's why I laugh when people praise Lebron for the 18' Playoffs for beating an injured team (no Kyrie) - he beat the injured, baby Celtics with a 3-time defending conference champion... The 1990 Sixers or 89' Knicks destroy them for example... People overrate this trash in 2018, so they were shocked when Lebron stunk in a non-manufactured conference in 2019.
Btw, carrying the "star" category of scoring requires less star help, thus allowing GM's to acquire good defenders and role players..
Otoh, ball-dominators like Lebron choke in the clutch against Orlando and are too ball-dominant at high scoring levels to beat top teams - this inability to carry the scoring load requires GM's to get more stars and limits defensive help.. Accordingly Lebron's inability to carry the scoring load prevents elite roster construction, along with his skillset of turning everyone into spot-up shooter.
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