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3ba11
06-02-2025, 06:54 PM
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Lebron's Finals underdog status is due to weak regular season records and not his rosters, since his rosters are initially favored as the preseason favorite.



Specifically, only won 50-57 games with preseason favorites in 12', 14', 16', and 21', so he fell to underdog each year... Lebron's teams were preseason favorite for a record 6 straight times from 11' to 16' (previous record was 3) and also 2021.



The cratering of American basketball more than offsets the rise in international players



Since the best American player in today's NBA is Ant, and since he's a joke compared to MJ, Robinson, Shaq, Malone, Barkley, Ewing, Alonzo, Drexler, Penny, Kemp, Payton, Stockton, and about 20 other guys, it's confirmed that American basketball has cratered and is a complete joke compared to prior eras.

This cratering of American basketball more than offsets the rise in international players, since American players are still the majority of the NBA... This proves conclusively that today's NBA players are vastly inferior to prior eras.



AD is the only player in history to arrive on a lottery team and turn them into champion in 1 season (2020)



It's a goat season that he gets no credit for... He produced this goat turnaround by leading the Lakers in scoring and turning a horrific defense into the #1 defense...



1997 is the only "4 on 5" chip ever won by virtue of 4 ppg on 37% by Rodman in the playoffs (and 8 rpg).



The 97' Bulls are also the only title team to have only 2 guys in double figures for the playoff run.. I think this is 3-point era only, but it might be of all-time..



Lebron's ball-dominance can't beat top teams at high scoring levels.. This inability to carry the "star" category of scoring requires GM's to get more stars and limits defensive help



Accordingly, Lebron's inability to carry the scoring load prevents elite roster construction, while his aforementioned "ball-dominator" skillset of turning everyone into spot-up shooter further hampers roster construction..



Lebron lost to the fossil Celtics in 2010 despite being twice the favorite that MJ was against the 91' Pistons, and facing 30-somethings compared to MJ facing 20-somethings (Isiah/Dumars/Rodman)... Wade actually led the PPG and APG when Lebron finally got past the fossil Celtics in the 11' ECSF.


The 2019 Lakers had Zubacs, Caruso, Josh Hart, Ingram, Kuzma, Rondo, and KCP, yet Lebron couldn't develop this into a champion like Jordan did far less help (Grant, BJ, Pippen)..

SouBeachTalents
06-02-2025, 07:00 PM
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Duffy Pratt
06-04-2025, 04:11 PM
KG to the Celtics
Maurice Lucas to the Blazers
Clifford Ray or Jamaal Wilkes to the Warriors

I posted the above in that thread. AD was not the only one to do this. The question is rather whether there was ever a team that went from missing the playoffs to championship in one season without that kind of roster change. I don’t think so.

It’s bad enough that you repeatedly spout BS, with the idea that enough repetition will somehow make it plausible. But here you are just repeating something that is trivial to show that it is false. Now of course, instead of admitting an error, you will deflect and change the subject.

ImKobe
06-04-2025, 04:21 PM
I posted the above in that thread. AD was not the only one to do this. The question is rather whether there was ever a team that went from missing the playoffs to championship in one season without that kind of roster change. I don’t think so.


'22 Warriors? From missing the Playoffs 2x in a row to winning the title. Klay was injured in the previous seasons though.


Injuries played a key part in the Lakers missing the Playoffs a year before, and they didn't just add AD they gave up a few players to get him.

OP has a point when it comes to developing a winning roster. Lebron never had patience for it. It's always been about leaving as a FA to form a superteam or trading half the team to form one around him.

The main reason his teams were underdogs in the Finals is because he played in a weak EC. Had he played out West he would've only played in 5-6 Finals.

3ba11
06-04-2025, 09:11 PM
OP has a point when it comes to developing a winning roster. Lebron never had patience for it. It's always been about leaving as a FA to form a superteam or trading half the team to form one around him.





Lebron's inability to carry the "star" category of scoring requires GM's to get more stars and limits defensive help... So Lebron's inability to carry the scoring load prevents elite roster construction, while his aforementioned "ball-dominator" skillset of turning everyone into spot-up shooter further hampers roster construction..






The main reason his teams were underdogs in the Finals is because he played in a weak EC. Had he played out West he would've only played in 5-6 Finals.





Lebron is underdog in the Finals because he barely wins 50 games with the preseason favorite.. So it's due to weak regular season records and not his rosters, since his rosters are initially favored as the preseason favorite.

Specifically, Lebron only won 50-57 games with preseason favorites in 12', 14', 16', and 21', so he fell to underdog each year... Lebron's teams were preseason favorite for a record 6 straight times from 11' to 16' (previous record was 3) and also 2021.

AussieSteve
06-04-2025, 10:22 PM
MJ faced a league equivalent to if Dirk, Manu & Parker and Jokic never existed. As well as a quarter of the rest of the league... replaced by G-Leaguers.

How many rings would LeBron have if we removed Dirk, Manu, Parker and Jokic from existence. I count 8

MrFonzworth
06-04-2025, 10:33 PM
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3ba11
06-04-2025, 10:42 PM
MJ faced a league equivalent to if Dirk, Manu & Parker and Jokic never existed. As well as a quarter of the rest of the league... replaced by G-Leaguers.

How many rings would LeBron have if we removed Dirk, Manu, Parker and Jokic from existence. I count 8


Today's player faces a league equivalent to if great American players don't exist, so the best American player is worse than KJ

3ba11
06-04-2025, 10:47 PM
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Similar to Lebron's losses against the Nuggets and T'Wolves, Lebron choked down the stretch of every loss in the 09' ECF.. He had 7 turnovers in the 4th and OT of Game 4, which swung the series.. It's impossible for a team to win a close series if the star turns into a 7 turnover per game player in the 4th quarter, and 12 turnovers per game in clutch-time (last 5 within 5).. Lebron also had the worst-ever defensive blunder by deciding to guard Courtney Lee instead of his own position (Hedo)..

Furthermore, Lebron is too ball-dominant at high scoring levels, so he can't carry the scoring load against top teams.. This inability to carry the "star" category of scoring requires more star help and prevents GM's from getting defensive help.. Accordingly, Lebron's inability to carry the scoring load prevents elite roster construction, while his aforementioned "ball-dominator" skillset of turning everyone into spot-up shooter further hampers roster construction..

John8204
06-04-2025, 11:22 PM
Summary of recent insight into the fake debate

3ba11

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rwj1_eWltJQ

Also don't we ban you during the finals...when's that coming