Trouble in paradise? Musk slams Trump's "big beautiful bill"

[Baller234]

Elon Musk slams President Trump's big tax and policy bill as a 'disgusting abomination'

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/06/03/musk-trump-tax-bill/84012223007/



According to Trump's press secretary, Trump already knew where Elon stood on the bill and they had discussions prior but Trump didn't care.

[warriorfan]

@TheMan

[highwhey]

yeah everyone called this long ago. the break up was bound to happen. musk is right though, it's a trash ass bill.

[warriorfan]

I @‘d at TheMan, not this fat ass beaner

Bait and switch

[rmt]

All these politicians need to get serious about cutting spending - not increasing it. But they want to get re-elected - not do what's best for the country.

[Baller234]

yeah everyone called this long ago. the break up was bound to happen. musk is right though, it's a trash ass bill.

Whose to say it's a breakup? Why can't they just have a disagreement?

They should hold hands in tandem on every single thing?

[highwhey]

Whose to say it's a breakup? Why can't they just have a disagreement?

They should hold hands in tandem on every single thing?

maybe bc elon has officially left his administration at the same time that he openly criticized trump's bill...:confusedshrug:

and he used pretty stern words to describe the BBB


This massive, outrageous, pork-filled Congressional spending bill is a disgusting abomination. Shame on those who voted for it: you know you did wrong. You know it."

idk man, maybe try reading the article you linked. it's pretty self-explanatory.

[Baller234]

maybe bc elon has officially left his administration at the same time that he openly criticized trump's bill...:confusedshrug:

and he used pretty stern words to describe the BBB



idk man, maybe try reading the article you linked. it's pretty self-explanatory.

No, I'm saying it's perfectly possible to have a disagreement over one thing while still having a working relationship.

I don't think this will be the thing that fuels an all out war between the two. I doubt Trump will be giving Elon a mean nickname any time soon.

If anything this should dispel the whole oligarchy myth or that Trump is beholden to Elon.

[Hey Yo]

Dems instantly in love with Musk again... they'll beg him to be their Rogan.

[Bill Gates]

Dems instantly in love with Musk again... they'll beg him to be their Rogan.

Musk will never be forgiven by the left, there is nothing he could do, even if he went full on TDS. He has passed the point of forgiveness.

[Bill Gates]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC5vdEhlhbI



I will say, I actually side with Trump on this. At least the part of the Bill that Musk is at ends with anyway. The Federal Spending part.

Most people have a very elementary understanding of the National Debt, and I think that Musk falls into that. He hasn't really taken a dive into why it matters, he just knows "we can't keep spending like this!!!!!" But the reality is, that YES, we can. Forever. That is a huge part of why the US is above every other nation. We spend, and because of that spending, we create. We create MORE than they do. They should spend more, and grow and grow and grow, like us.

The part of the debt that FED loans out? They aren't looking to collect. If interest becomes too high? We lower rates. If inflation becomes too great? we raise rates, remove cash from the system. It works and has been working.

[Baller234]

Musk will never be forgiven by the left, there is nothing he could do, even if he went full on TDS. He has passed the point of forgiveness.

Disagree.

Look how quickly they forgave Dick Cheney.

The left was about to ready to lick his daughter's c*nt.

[Bill Gates]

Disagree.

Look how quickly they forgave Dick Cheney.

The left was about to ready to lick his daughter's c*nt.

The left does love Liz Cheney, but not Dick Cheney. We are capable of understanding those are two different humans.

[SouBeachTalents]

Disagree.

Look how quickly they forgave Dick Cheney.

The left was about to ready to lick his daughter's c*nt.
I was JUST bout to bring up W lol, Trump was literally the greatest thing to happen to that man's reputation. I won't say it's done a complete 180, but he's looked at in a far better light now than he was after he left office.

[diamenz]

it is a shit bill. it's uniparty 101, but it's all on the republicans lets make that much clear. expect nothing less from house republicans and cuckboy mike johnson who's primary goal above all is to grant their donors their tax cuts that they were promised, debt be damned. i don't ever want to hear congressional republicans cry about how dems may end up spending recklessly anytime down the line because they don't give a god damn about the debt, aside from this thomas massie who's apparently the only principled republican that's speaking out against it.

https://i.ibb.co/TDcy9jqv/Screenshot-20250604-121954.png

look at that - cuts to ss programs to pad the pockets of the rich, at a time in history where the wealth disparity is at an all time high, we just saw the largest transfer of wealth during covid and the middle class still continues to shrink. it costed one trllion $ last year to service the debt. lol. what a joke our congress is. honestly it doesn't matter anyway - it's far too gone to reverse at this point.


All these politicians need to get serious about cutting spending - not increasing it. But they want to get re-elected - not do what's best for the country.

politicians? how about calling this out for what is it - republican politicians. it's not hard.

[rmt]

it is a shit bill. it's uniparty 101, but it's all on the republicans lets make that much clear. expect nothing less from house republicans and cuckboy mike johnson who's primary goal above all is to grant their donors their tax cuts that they were promised, debt be damned. i don't ever want to hear congressional republicans cry about how dems may end up spending recklessly anytime down the line because they don't give a god damn about the debt, aside from this thomas massie who's apparently the only principled republican that's speaking out against it.

https://i.ibb.co/TDcy9jqv/Screenshot-20250604-121954.png

look at that - cuts to ss programs to pad the pockets of the rich, at a time in history where the wealth disparity is at an all time high, we just saw the largest transfer of wealth during covid and the middle class still continues to shrink. it costed one trllion $ last year to service the debt. lol. what a joke our congress is. honestly it doesn't matter anyway - it's far too gone to reverse at this point.



politicians? how about calling this out for what is it - republican politicians. it's not hard.

What? You actually think Democrat politicians would spend less? LOL. Thank God for Manchin nixing that monstrosity Build Back Better.

[diamenz]

What? You actually think Democrat politicians would spend less? LOL. Thank God for Manchin nixing that monstrosity Build Back Better.

no of course they wouldn't. quite the contrary - dems are known to spend, spend, spend. republicans on the other hand are supposed to be principally fiscally conservative. you can't see this for what it is and call it out accordingly?

[rmt]

I do agree this bill is an abomination. They should be taking a chain saw to that budget.

[Patrick Chewing]

I @‘d at TheMan, not this fat ass beaner

Bait and switch

All beans think alike

[diamenz]

I do agree this bill is an abomination. They should be taking a chain saw to that budget.

that's as far as you'll go huh. lol. don't want go too far calling out corrupted congressional republicans, right?

this isn't trump's bill yet, so your chance to step on some toes of those that deserve it is now. are you principled or are you too caught up in the bullshit? better maintain some space for yourself just in case this ends up passing the senate as-is, right?

any other magas wanna call this bill out? here's your chance to lend yourselves some credibility. this one is a 'gimme'. it should be so easy. can you do it? or are you just too caught up in 'sidisms' to grow a pair?

"oh but dems"!!!

sounds like the same old bullshit you like you call them out on their hypocrisies (valid too, btw) but when it comes to stepping up the plate you're as quiet as a *ucking church mouse.

"everyone turns conservative when they get older"! it's too bad y'all don't act like it.

lol unbelievable.

op i'm looking in your direction especially. for all the shit you talk about the democrats (yep, rightfully so too), you wanna call out some house republicans? you should be at em like a rottweiler here.

[Bill Gates]

no of course they wouldn't. quite the contrary - dems are known to spend, spend, spend. republicans on the other hand are supposed to be principally fiscally conservative. you can't see this for what it is and call it out accordingly?

The worst spenders are Republicans. Reagan and W are the worst offenders in modern times. Both parties spend, but Dems spend less on average.

[Bill Gates]

Looking at this Bill and saying "but Democrats......" is textbook whataboutism though.

Republicans are in office.

[rmt]

that's as far as you'll go huh. lol. don't want go too far calling out corrupted congressional republicans, right?

this isn't trump's bill yet, so your chance to step on some toes of those that deserve it is now. are you principled or are you too caught up in the bullshit? better maintain some space for yourself just in case this ends up passing the senate as-is, right?

any other magas wanna call this bill out? here's your chance to lend yourselves some credibility. this one is a 'gimme'. it should be so easy. can you do it? or are you just too caught up in 'sidisms' to grow a pair?

"oh but dems"!!!

sounds like the same old bullshit you like you call them out on their hypocrisies (valid too, btw) but when it comes to stepping up the plate you're as quiet as a *ucking church mouse.

"everyone turns conservative when they get older"! it's too bad y'all don't act like it.

lol unbelievable.

op i'm looking in your direction especially. for all the shit you talk about the democrats (yep, rightfully so too), you wanna call out some house republicans? you should be at em like a rottweiler here.

Please calm down - they are all corrupt, but it's a binary choice between Dems and Repubs (the lesser evil). I've already expressed my opinion at length in the Stock Market thread - zero based budgeting. But REALISTICALLY, politicians are going to get for themselves and their constituents - regardless of Musk, DOGE, Rand Paul, etc. - they are going to keep spending and decrease the value/reserve currency of the US dollar.

I save my principles for my personal/family life - why get stressed over something I personally cannot change? Better to invest in some bitcoin and gold for the future. And enjoy one of my favorite time of the year - NBA playoffs and French Open/Wimbledon. Good diet, exercise/resistance training, deep sleep, family/friends and LESS STRESS - the recipe for seniors (me) and really any age.

[rmt]

that's as far as you'll go huh. lol. don't want go too far calling out corrupted congressional republicans, right?

this isn't trump's bill yet, so your chance to step on some toes of those that deserve it is now. are you principled or are you too caught up in the bullshit? better maintain some space for yourself just in case this ends up passing the senate as-is, right?

any other magas wanna call this bill out? here's your chance to lend yourselves some credibility. this one is a 'gimme'. it should be so easy. can you do it? or are you just too caught up in 'sidisms' to grow a pair?

"oh but dems"!!!

sounds like the same old bullshit you like you call them out on their hypocrisies (valid too, btw) but when it comes to stepping up the plate you're as quiet as a *ucking church mouse.

"everyone turns conservative when they get older"! it's too bad y'all don't act like it.

lol unbelievable.

op i'm looking in your direction especially. for all the shit you talk about the democrats (yep, rightfully so too), you wanna call out some house republicans? you should be at em like a rottweiler here.

Please calm down - they are all corrupt, but it's a binary choice between Dems and Repubs (the lesser evil). I've already expressed my opinion at length in the Stock Market thread - zero based budgeting. But REALISTICALLY, politicians are going to get for themselves and their constituents - regardless of Musk, DOGE, Rand Paul, etc. - they are going to keep spending and decrease the value/reserve currency of the US dollar.

I save my principles for my personal/family life - why get stressed over something I personally cannot change? Better to invest in some bitcoin and gold for the future. And enjoy one of my favorite time of the year - NBA playoffs and French Open/Wimbledon. Good diet, exercise/resistance training, deep sleep, family/friends and LESS STRESS - the recipe for seniors (me) and really any age.

[rmt]

Sorry for the double post.

[diamenz]

Please calm down - they are all corrupt, but it's a binary choice between Dems and Repubs (the lesser evil). I've already expressed my opinion at length in the Stock Market thread - zero based budgeting. But REALISTICALLY, politicians are going to get for themselves and their constituents - regardless of Musk, DOGE, Rand Paul, etc. - they are going to keep spending and decrease the value/reserve currency of the US dollar.

I save my principles for my personal/family life - why get stressed over something I personally cannot change? Better to invest in some bitcoin and gold for the future. And enjoy one of my favorite time of the year - NBA playoffs and French Open/Wimbledon. Good diet, exercise/resistance training, deep sleep, family/friends and LESS STRESS - the recipe for seniors (me) and really any age.

it's simple. because the majority of people, especially here, are unwilling to call out the bullshit of their own side. this bill is the perfect opportunity to do so - there's arguably next to nothing good abput it. people choose side-ism bullshit over their own integrity and stance on issues. you think giving this shit a pass adds to your or anyone's credibility? ugh, 'people gonna people' aren't they?

call the bullshit out, left or right, trump or biden and turn around and give credit where credit is due, period. like i said, it's not hard, unless you're a *ucking child and you're just in it all for the lulz, which i'm beginning to think op is. damn shame.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Taco Trump and Elon pissing on each other.

Pass the popcorn.

[BurningHammer]

Even MTG is now against the Big Beautiful Bill. :eek:

[Baller234]

I'm not sure what the left is celebrating here. Sure it probably gets them wet in the pants to see republicans in-fighting, but at the same time it blows a hole in their entire campaign.

"We're living under an oligarchy..."
"Musk owns Trump..."
"Trump is a cult leader..."
"Nobody on the right ever criticizes Trump..."

Unless this is all one big put on, none of those arguments are valid anymore. Trump is acting against Elon's wishes and prominent republicans are criticizing his bill.

You never know what any of their real intentions are, after all you can never trust a politician, but this type of in-fighting is the sign of a healthy party actually. There *should* be room for disagreement on certain things.

Unlike the left which actually *does* operate like a cult and will exile you over the first sign of disobedience. Which is why no one was allowed to talk about Brandon's health.

[ShawkFactory]

I'm not sure what the left is celebrating here. Sure it probably gets them wet in the pants to see republicans in-fighting, but at the same time it blows a hole in their entire campaign.

"We're living under an oligarchy..."
"Musk owns Trump..."
"Trump is a cult leader..."
"Nobody on the right ever criticizes Trump..."

Unless this is all one big put on, none of those arguments are valid anymore. Trump is acting against Elon's wishes and prominent republicans are criticizing his bill.

You never know what any of their real intentions are, after all you can never trust a politician, but this type of in-fighting is the sign of a healthy party actually. There *should* be room for disagreement on certain things.

Unlike the left which actually *does* operate like a cult and will exile you over the first sign of disobedience. Which is why no one was allowed to talk about Brandon's health.

So what do YOU think about this bill?

[RRR3]

So what do YOU think about this bill?
:lol

[Baller234]

So what do YOU think about this bill?

What's not to like? The key components of the bill all make sense to me.

[ShawkFactory]

What's not to like? The key components of the bill all make sense to me.

Interesting..

Thank you.

[Bill Gates]

@ Baller, all you seem to care about is looking for ways to find the "left" being hypocritical. However, any Trumper who is fine with the BBB would be hypocritical after the complaining about inflation which was being blamed on Biden's spending.

FWIW, I do not think most grasp the basics of Gov spending, Musk included. Now that the inflation rate is at 2.3%, it should be okay to spend. Because inflation is the only real risk. And people need to understand, that every single dollar in circulation right now, is "borrowed" money from the FED. It is not intended to be paid back. And the bigger question for economists is not the size of the debt, but when the FED will lower rates. And I am starting to see that increased spending like this combined with lower rates? That will cause a stock market boom. Trump and his team know this. And when the inflation rate is in check (thanks to the FED rates) they will be fine turning the water hose on.

[Bill Gates]

Also FWIW, I can see the tirade that Musk is throwing over this on Twitter. And I feel like he has ulterior motives. Right now is probably the worst Q that Tesla has ever seen growth wise. They are shrinking while the EV market is growing. BYD is moving up quick on them. Tesla's board has probably had it although the stock value is doing well for some reason.

Anyway I feel like Musk is trying hard to reverse his damaged image and win back costumers.

[Baller234]

@ Baller, all you seem to care about is looking for ways to find the "left" being hypocritical. However, any Trumper who is fine with the BBB would be hypocritical after the complaining about inflation which was being blamed on Biden's spending.

Uh, I'm pretty sure it had more to do with WHAT the money was being spent on there buddy.

Expanded unemployment benefits for lazy losers that didn't wanna apply for a job a year out from Covid? Expansion of Obamacare? Lol $122 billion so public schools could "open safely"? Expansion of SNAP and welfare? More than half the shit in Brandon's bill was money down the drain.

At least Trump is spending the money on defense and infrastructure. Things we actually need and benefit from. Not to mention the bill lowers taxes for practically everyone.

[highwhey]

elon jumped ship bc he sees its sinking.

[Bill Gates]

Uh, I'm pretty sure it had more to do with WHAT the money was being spent on there buddy.

Expanded unemployment benefits for lazy losers that didn't wanna apply for a job a year out from Covid? Expansion of Obamacare? Lol $122 billion so public schools could "open safely"? Expansion of SNAP and welfare? More than half the shit in Brandon's bill was money down the drain.

At least Trump is spending the money on defense and infrastructure. Things we actually need and benefit from. Not to mention the bill lowers taxes for practically everyone.
Musk's complaint is that it adds to the money supply in circulation (inflation) and creates a larger debt for the future generations to inherit, which was the primary complaint by the right toward Biden.

Much of the covid money printed up by both Trump and Biden was handed directly to the American people in the form of a stimulus check, or used to bail out companies that would have collapsed. They used covid as their reasoning to spend that much. But here we have Trump adding over $2T WITHOUT covid.

[Baller234]

Musk's complaint is that it adds to the money supply in circulation (inflation) and creates a larger debt for the future generations to inherit, which was the primary complaint by the right toward Biden.

Much of the covid money printed up by both Trump and Biden was handed directly to the American people in the form of a stimulus check, or used to bail out companies that would have collapsed. They used covid as their reasoning to spend that much. But here we have Trump adding over $2T WITHOUT covid.

Okay so Trump is using lower taxes and national security as his reasoning, what's the problem?

[Bill Gates]

Okay so Trump is using lower taxes and national security as his reasoning, what's the problem?
The problem is doing the exact thing you called out Biden for. You don't remember all the inflated prices with a Biden "I did that" sticker next to it? How do you think Biden "did that"?

I mean, why do you think Musk has a probelm with it?

I'm starting to realize you don't actually have the slightest clue WTF is going on :oldlol:

[Bill Gates]

https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-scott-bessent-physical-confrontation-2079285

Steve Bannon claims that he got into a physical confrontation with Musk, and is responsible for Musk's black eye.



According to Bannon, Bessent confronted Musk over his sweeping but unfulfilled promises to deliver $1 trillion in budget cuts. "Scott Bessent called him out and said, 'You promised us a trillion dollars in cuts, and now you're at like $100 billion. Nobody can find any savings. What are you doing?'" Bannon recounted.

"And that's when Elon got physical. It's a sore subject with him," Bannon said.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Musk's complaint is that it adds to the money supply in circulation (inflation) and creates a larger debt for the future generations to inherit

And who is the independent here on ISH that issued that same complaint towards Trump?

Me.


Elon is correct.




If you want to give praise to a Democrat... give praise to Bill Clinton that understood the importance of responsible spending.

https://clintonwhitehouse5.archives.gov/WH/Accomplishments/eightyears-03.html

[Baller234]

The problem is doing the exact thing you called out Biden for. You don't remember all the inflated prices with a Biden "I did that" sticker next to it? How do you think Biden "did that"?

I mean, why do you think Musk has a probelm with it?

I'm starting to realize you don't actually have the slightest clue WTF is going on :oldlol:

Lol nice try buddy.

It's not the same thing Biden was called out for. The stickers weren't in response to the rescue plan. You think the average mf'er knows what was in the damn rescue plan? :oldlol:

The "I did that" stickers started in response to rising gas prices. They started at gas pumps. It wasn't in defiance of a single piece of legislation.

As for why Musk is against it, who knows, I don't really care because he's not the president. For all I know he might have his own agenda to look out for. I'm seeing some prominent right wing twitter accounts also echoing his sentiments and criticizing the bill, but these are people who make their bread and butter from twitter. I didn't see any of them making a fuss about it until Elon did. Now all of a sudden they're on the front lines. Very suspicious to me.

I am choosing Trump in this fight. I don't think he has any plan to spike inflation.

[ShawkFactory]

Lol nice try buddy.

It's not the same thing Biden was called out for. The stickers weren't in response to the rescue plan. You think the average mf'er knows what was in the damn rescue plan? :oldlol:

The "I did that" stickers started in response to rising gas prices. They started at gas pumps. It wasn't in defiance of a single piece of legislation.

As for why Musk is against it, who knows, I don't really care because he's not the president. For all I know he might have his own agenda to look out for. I'm seeing some prominent right wing twitter accounts also echoing his sentiments and criticizing the bill, but these are people who make their bread and butter from twitter. I didn't see any of them making a fuss about it until Elon did. Now all of a sudden they're on the front lines. Very suspicious to me.

I am choosing Trump in this fight. I don't think he has any plan to spike inflation.

So you're saying people are stupid and don't understand correlations between policy and outcomes?

[Bill Gates]

It is probably true that most of MAGA blamed Biden for inflation without actually putting any thought into how Biden did it. :oldlol:

In this particular situation though, Musk sees the covid US inflationary woes as the product of US Gov spending, and he is correct of course. And he wants the Gov to stop massive spending like this as he views it as inflationary and a hole we are digging ourselves into. But I do think he is uneducated on the National Debt, he is just more educated than the average MAGA.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Taco and Elon pissing on each other is like middle school BFF's breaking up.

[Wardell Curry]

Where are all the lunatics that said the presidency had been bought by Musk and that he was the new president? You mf's all need to calm down and take a breath and understand the world isn't ending tomorrow and stop overreacting to every single thing you see on your phone or TV. I know that the true problem is you don't have enough real problems in your lives so you invent them but please, slow down.

Well, with Russia's actions & Ukraine's actions it might actually but other than that, the world is just fine lol.

[Baller234]

Where are all the lunatics that said the presidency had been bought by Musk and that he was the new president? You mf's all need to calm down and take a breath and understand the world isn't ending tomorrow and stop overreacting to every single thing you see on your phone or TV. I know that the true problem is you don't have enough real problems in your lives so you invent them but please, slow down.

Well, with Russia's actions & Ukraine's actions it might actually but other than that, the world is just fine lol.

I hear now liberals will be vandalizing and destroying your car if don't drive a Tesla.

[Bill Gates]

Where are all the lunatics that said the presidency had been bought by Musk and that he was the new president?

https://imagez.tmz.com/image/c3/4by3/2025/06/05/c30d170cff04439381b218d0dd9bfd08_md.jpg

https://www.tmz.com/2025/06/05/elon-musk-donald-trump-lost-election-without-him/



Musk himself says this

I agree that the population likes to overreact though.

Musk himself is guilty of constant overreaction, everything is the "doom of civilization" to him.

[Bill Gates]

I hear now liberals will be vandalizing and destroying your car if don't drive a Tesla.

This is what Musk wants, but it is going to result in both sides hating Musk and Tesla sinking even further into a hole.

Musk has managed to make the whole country hate him.

[SouBeachTalents]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gss-2YGaIAEg53-.png

Damn

[ShawkFactory]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gss-2YGaIAEg53-.png

Damn

Jeez :lol

Sounds like a little more than trouble in paradise. Fully melting down right now :lol

[Hey Yo]

All because Trump is canceling the EV mandate

[Bill Gates]

Wow, he is posting every minute on Trump and Epstein. He can't stop

This is VERY entertaining :oldlol:

[Bill Gates]

This makes Musk look fking horrible though.

So he knew all this time that Trump was a pedophile, and he was willing to work with him, UNTIL he cut off his Gov funding?

This implosion is magical, but both of these two are disgusting humans and the US would be much better off if these two fck wads died and went away forever.

[Wardell Curry]

Musk himself says this

No I'm talking about the sense that "Musk is in control of the presidency" and that he "bought it" from Trump.

This is the same stupidity that we heard about how Vladimir Putin is the real president of the United States.

We heard both of these lines parroted time and again. People in 2025 just need to calm down. Like I said, they don't have enough actual problems in their lives so they invent them.

[TheMan]

Lol, I was just about to respond to this thread this morning before work and write just wait for the divorce, these two bout to start slinging mud. I never anticipated it would be THIS quick :roll:

I'm rooting for The Don to bury that grifter :applause:

[diamenz]

People in 2025 just need to calm down. Like I said, they don't have enough actual problems in their lives so they invent them.

passing on more debt to my kids and grandkids is something i invented? *uck that. this entire bill is politicized to the point that no one's talking at all about what it does. rightwingers are dismissing it like nothing because they're hypocritical puss1es. it in all likelihood, when said and done, will add five trillion to the debt - a debt that costed one trillion alone last year alone to service, all now on behalf of transferring more amounts of wealth to the top and cutting the heart of ssnet programs (that's right, they're not just going after fraud. people that genuinely need these programs will lose their coverage). you cut people off from what people depend on to survive so republican donors can get their pay. give me a reason why the tax cuts shouldn't be focused first on the middle class after all wealth that got transfered during covid. it's money that will go instantly back into the economy.

pu$$ies. you're nothing but blinded sheep in a herd. you're locked in a partisan bubble and it makes you look like a damn fool. keep coming with the excuses though.

[TheMan]

https://youtu.be/WNvheI9ejU0?si=ygATpmge2Ocw0rUR

Top comment, time for the Trumpsters to pretend they never liked Elon :roll:

Baller234 talked shit about Kulinski, meanwhile he was predicting Trump and Musk would eventually rip each other apart when they were BFF, dude is Nostradamus lol.

[TheMan]

no of course they wouldn't. quite the contrary - dems are known to spend, spend, spend. republicans on the other hand are supposed to be principally fiscally conservative. you can't see this for what it is and call it out accordingly?
diamenz, stop disappointing me bro...

Go back and see which administrations add to the deficit :facepalm

Every GOP administration since Reagan has massively added to the debt, without fail, more than the Democrats. How could you not know this? :facepalm

[highwhey]

Whose to say it's a breakup? Why can't they just have a disagreement?

They should hold hands in tandem on every single thing?


No, I'm saying it's perfectly possible to have a disagreement over one thing while still having a working relationship.

I don't think this will be the thing that fuels an all out war between the two. I doubt Trump will be giving Elon a mean nickname any time soon.

If anything this should dispel the whole oligarchy myth or that Trump is beholden to Elon.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gss-2YGaIAEg53-.png


:roll::roll::roll:

[Bill Gates]

:roll:


It's just a friendly little spat, they'll be fine

[highwhey]

:roll:


It's just a friendly little spat, they'll be fine

its just jokes between 2 friends :roll:

[TheMan]

Trumptards avoiding this thread.. haha

So they hate Musk now and he was never really MAGA or they're just having a mild disagreement, happens within families all the time or whose Musk? Never heard of him :roll:

[Doomsday Dallas]

The Antichrist & The False Prophet are still better options than the libtard community.

[SouBeachTalents]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gst4wO4XQAAJ5LY?format=jpg&name=small

That's gotta be the first time in history someone's used that against a white person :lol

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gst4wO4XQAAJ5LY?format=jpg&name=small

That's gotta be the first time in history someone's used that against a white person :lol


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[highwhey]

damn, MAGA fakkits have been extra quiet today...i wonder why...:roll:

[Baller234]

Trumptards avoiding this thread.. haha

So they hate Musk now and he was never really MAGA or they're just having a mild disagreement, happens within families all the time or whose Musk? Never heard of him :roll:

Uh, why would I avoid the thread? I made the f'n thread you nimrod. :oldlol:

What is there even to be ashamed of? All I did was make an incorrect prediction when it came to Trump and Elon's relationship. I didn't lie. I didn't flip flop. I didn't contradict myself.

And again I don't know why you're celebrating. I mean I get that you love to see the right in-fighting, but this makes you guys look just as bad. You guys swore up and down that Elon had Trump in his pocket. President Musk I believe you guys were calling him.

You're really so desperate for a win it's embarrassing. By all means if you wanna compare our track records when it comes to standing by our principles I'm more than happy to dig up all of your old posts and remind you of all your insane proclamations.

:oldlol:

[TheMan]

Uh, why would I avoid the thread? I made the f'n thread you nimrod. :oldlol:

What is there even to be ashamed of? All I did was make an incorrect prediction when it came to Trump and Elon's relationship. I didn't lie. I didn't flip flop. I didn't contradict myself.

And again I don't know why you're celebrating. I mean I get that you love to see the right in-fighting, but this makes you guys look just as bad. You guys swore up and down that Elon had Trump in his pocket. President Musk I believe you guys were calling him.

You're really so desperate for a win it's embarrassing. By all means if you wanna compare our track records when it comes to standing by our principles I'm more than happy to dig up all of your old posts and remind you of all your insane proclamations.

:oldlol:

I actually never said Trump was in Elon's pocket. I double dare you to find a post where I wrote something to that effect. Musk is a welfare queen, he LIVES off government contracts lol

[Baller234]

The Antichrist & The False Prophet are still better options than the libtard community.

This is actually normal politics. Arguing over bills, spending, the size of govt, etc.

This is what politics used to look like before wokism took fold. I would rather our leaders fight over this than whether or not up is down and left is right, or whether or not a chick can have a c0ck and balls.

[1987_Lakers]

Yo, this shit is hilarious.

[Baller234]

I actually never said Trump was in Elon's pocket. I double dare you to find a post where I wrote something to that effect. Musk is a welfare queen, he LIVES off government contracts lol

You can play innocent all you want, it's been one of the left's primary modes of attack since Trump won the election. The democrats all parroted the same "oligarchy" talking points. Bernie and Ocrazyo did speaking tours over it.

Are you ready to admit it was all bullshit?

[1987_Lakers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwGBVICkaZ0

[TheMan]

You can play innocent all you want, it's been one of the left's primary modes of attack since Trump won the election. The democrats all parroted the same "oligarchy" talking points. Bernie and Ocrazyo did speaking tours over it.

Are you ready to admit it was all bullshit?

Except I don't write speeches for AOC nor Bernie...

You've been one of Musk most ardent supporters... what's your honest take when Elon says Trump is def in the Epstein files and that's the reason they won't release them? No qualms at all that Orange Man Bad just might be a pedo? Also, how do you sleep at night? You're ok repping a child molester so long as you "owned duh libs"...? Asking for a friend...

[TheMan]

And again, I'm not a liberal. Socially conservative and economically left but I can spot a false demagogue when I see one. Trump ain't our ally, never was. Unfortunately too many working class comrades are either too blind or too stupid to realize it, right Baller234?

When you finally wake up, we'll unite in arms and together we'll take down those who truly oppress us...until then, we believe it's only a matter of time and we'll welcome you with open arms. Either that or off to the reeducation camps, you capitalist pig :lol

[RRR3]

And again, I'm not a liberal. Socially conservative and economically left but I can spot a false demagogue when I see one. Trump ain't our ally, never was. Unfortunately too many working class comrades are either too blind or too stupid to realize it, right Baller234?

When you finally wake up, we'll unite in arms and together we'll take down those who truly oppress us...until then, we believe it's only a matter of time and we'll welcome you with open arms. Either that or off to the reeducation camps, you capitalist pig :lol
Social conservatism with economic leftism is how you get nonsense like the USSR. You don't have to like it but it's important for everything to be progressive or it will be incoherent and have resistance.

[warriorfan]

damn, MAGA fakkits have been extra quiet today...i wonder why...:roll:

They aren’t petty beaners who get excited over tmz nonsense to make up for a void in their lives.

[TheMan]

Social conservatism with economic leftism is how you get nonsense like the USSR. You don't have to like it but it's important for everything to be progressive or it will be incoherent and have resistance.

I just don't believe men can become women, the whole biological science gets in the way for me, and I don't believe there are 862 different genders, there are only two...nor do I believe a clump of cells aren't humans in the making and don't have rights. I can't get past that. I respect your right to disagree but expect that you respect my right to disagree too. :cheers:

[Bill Gates]

They aren’t petty beaners who get excited over tmz nonsense to make up for a void in their lives.

If TMZ says Donald Trump had sex with a minor?

Then Donald Trump had sex with a minor.

Realist most legit news source we have.

[Bill Gates]

Here's the thing though. Trump is legit on the E list. He had sex with a minor.

I think many are overlooking the severity of that, or are like warriorfan and trying to convince themselves it isn't real.

It's real. And Elon knew.

[Lakers Legend#32]

What the MAGAS think Trump has too much integrity or decency to have sex with a minor?

[Meticode]

I try to be as neutral as I can be and not to try to lean too far off to one side, but I thought it was pretty telling that the whole election support from Musk was just about money and getting in favor of Trump for his own companies' sakes. I felt this way once he switched from Left to Right and threw his support towards Trump. I've felt this way before the election results.

Fast forward to now and once Trump does something that majorly hurts Musk's' money and companies he does a 180 on him and brings out all these things he claims he knows about Trump when at the same time it doesn't make Musk look that much better. It makes it look like he knew all these things and stood by Trump's side for your own gain and once he didn't get what he wanted any longer he turned on him.

[highwhey]

I try to be as neutral as I can be and not to try to lean too far off to one side, but I thought it was pretty telling that the whole election support from Musk was just about money and getting in favor of Trump for his own companies' sakes. I felt this way once he switched from Left to Right and threw his support towards Trump. I've felt this way before the election results.

Fast forward to now and once Trump does something that majorly hurts Musk's' money and companies he does a 180 on him and brings out all these things he claims he knows about Trump when at the same time it doesn't make Musk look that much better. It makes it look like he knew all these things and stood by Trump's side for your own gain and once he didn't get what he wanted any longer he turned on him.

thank you for bringing this up, because on that same side of the token, it seems like all the people trump surrounds himself with have jumped ship to join him or are only loyal out of self-interests. meaning, they aren't competent or deserving of being in the positions they serve, which in turn, tells us his administration is a sham.

[warriorfan]

thank you for bringing this up, because on that same side of the token, it seems like all the people trump surrounds himself with have jumped ship to join him or are only loyal out of self-interests. meaning, they aren't competent or deserving of being in the positions they serve, which in turn, tells us his administration is a sham.

Sounds like this guy is speaking from experience :lol

[Lakers Legend#32]

"The girls sure are fighting aren't they?"--AOC

[Baller234]

Except I don't write speeches for AOC nor Bernie...

You've been one of Musk most ardent supporters... what's your honest take when Elon says Trump is def in the Epstein files and that's the reason they won't release them? No qualms at all that Orange Man Bad just might be a pedo? Also, how do you sleep at night? You're ok repping a child molester so long as you "owned duh libs"...? Asking for a friend...

I don't know why you guys keep harping on this ridiculous point. If if it were ever found out that Trump did something sexual with a small child, I would never ever defend it and I would wholly condemn him.

In another thread you equated Donald Trump with Dick Cheney because he *might* one day start a war over a total lie even though he hasn't yet. Now you're jumping to conclusions about me because you think I *might* defend Donald Trump being a child molester. All of your arguments are based on feelings and preconceived notions. Newsflash he hasn't been outed as anything yet.

See the problem is that you guys worship politicians and you think your leaders are infallible so you project that feeling onto others. You think that because we support Trump, we must view him as a god. As if we voted for the guy totally ignorant to the fact that he's a world class bullshitter. Newsflash, we know.

I do support Musk. His contribution to the movement can't be ignored. That doesn't mean he is a god to me. That doesn't mean he can't be a bad faith actor when it suits him. If Elon's intentions were pure he could have revealed whatever Epstein information he had a long time ago. Instead he waits for this precise moment and only implicates Trump and one else.

Also he doesn't explain Trump's involvement to any capacity. He just says "he's in the files". Okay we knew that already. Do you know anything else or are you just stirring shit? This isn't really fitting behavior for a guy who says he only wants what's best for the country.

There's also another option of course, which is that this is all one big show like WWE meant to distract us from god knows what and they've had this play ready to go from the beginning. Let's be honest, would anyone be surprised if they kissed and made up? I wouldn't.

All in all definitely a crazy timeline.

[Baller234]

And again, I'm not a liberal. Socially conservative and economically left but I can spot a false demagogue when I see one. Trump ain't our ally, never was. Unfortunately too many working class comrades are either too blind or too stupid to realize it, right Baller234?

When you finally wake up, we'll unite in arms and together we'll take down those who truly oppress us...until then, we believe it's only a matter of time and we'll welcome you with open arms. Either that or off to the reeducation camps, you capitalist pig :lol

As if you mf'ers didn't campaign for the uni-party establishment with a smile on your face.:oldlol:

You can spot a liar huh? You just want what's best for the working class huh? Is that why you voted for The Cackler? :oldlol:

And did this sicko just reveal his hidden fantasy about sending people to re-education camps because they disagree with him over how the economy should be run? So in your utopian society, you would imprison capitalists?

Very good to know.

[TheMan]

As if you mf'ers didn't campaign for the uni-party establishment with a smile on your face.:oldlol:

You can spot a liar huh? You just want what's best for the working class huh? Is that why you voted for The Cackler? :oldlol:

And did this sicko just reveal his hidden fantasy about sending people to re-education camps because they disagree with him over how the economy should be run? So in your utopian society, you would imprison capitalists?

Very good to know.

I was using hyperbole, no I don't believe we should imprison all capitalists, I'm in fact one and I do believe in capitalism, but not the runaway devour everyone run by the elites today. There shouldn't be billionaires, rich people yes, but these insanely wealthy oligarch robber barons are a cancer on a healthy society because they will always try to own the government because they have the means to, they corrupt government officials and politicians and have them doing their bidding instead of what is good for society at large.

We are middle class stiffs, we aren't in the club, we never were. Our enemy isn't the poor foreigners trying to better their lives, it's the one percenters robbing us blind. Trump ran on fighting for us but every action he has taken only support the rich like him.

Hopefully one day you realize that...

And to address the other post, no I don't think Trump banged a literally child, meaning a 10 year old but he definitely has hit underage teen girls...there are a lot of weird pedo shit that girls who participated in Ms Teen USA have come out publicly about Trump when he owned Ms Teen USA.

[highwhey]

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[Patrick Chewing]

This is all a charade by both. Elon's own life and his family were threatened by these lunatic Leftists. This is just simply a way to shift attention away from Elon by making Trump the enemy. These two are very smart and successful men. This was carefully planned by the two and I'm sure they're having a good laugh about it.

[RRR3]

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:roll:

[Baller234]

There shouldn't be billionaires, rich people yes, but these insanely wealthy oligarch robber barons are a cancer on a healthy society because they will always try to own the government because they have the means to, they corrupt government officials and politicians and have them doing their bidding instead of what is good for society at large.

I'm sorry but this is extremely faulty logic to me. So you're okay with rich people, just not billionaires? It's okay to get rich just not too rich?

So what does "too rich" mean? At what point does your net worth become "too rich"?

Give me a hard number or at least a definable range.

[diamenz]

political theater aside (all seven pages of it), believe it or not elon is the right's blessing in disguise in regard to exposing how shitty this bill is. he could end up saving trump a lot of political grief if it were to pass as-is. otherwise a lot of maga npc's would have never known. granted a lot of them still won't know when this all over with and could probably care less because they're only in it for the left vs. right bullshit but at least maybe some of them will. then of course you have the segment of maga that does know better but is too pu$$y to call it out but, yeah... people gonna people.

[Patrick Chewing]

This is all a charade by both. Elon's own life and his family were threatened by these lunatic Leftists. This is just simply a way to shift attention away from Elon by making Trump the enemy. These two are very smart and successful men. This was carefully planned by the two and I'm sure they're having a good laugh about it.

[highwhey]

This is all a charade by both. Elon's own life and his family were threatened by these lunatic Leftists. This is just simply a way to shift attention away from Elon by making Trump the enemy. These two are very smart and successful men. This was carefully planned by the two and I'm sure they're having a good laugh about it.


interesting theory. what does it have to do with you weighing 400 POUNDS?

[Baller234]

political theater aside (all seven pages of it), believe it or not elon is the right's blessing in disguise in regard to exposing how shitty this bill is. he could end up saving trump a lot of political grief if it were to pass as-is. otherwise a lot of maga npc's would have never known. granted a lot of them still won't know when this all over with and could probably care less because they're only in it for the left vs. right bullshit but at least maybe some of them will. then of course you have the segment of maga that does know better but is too pu$$y to call it out but, yeah... people gonna people.

Let's assume this is all real and not some charade, it still wouldn't justify Elon's behavior. He's free to voice his dissent over the bill and criticize Trump, but for him to take it to the extreme like this and a make a huge show of it? To go full on crazy and try to divide the base? Epstein accusations? How does that help matters? If what you're saying is true you look like an asshole too. He could have gone about this in a much more measured way. His over the top antics make him appear less credible.

Also, Trump must have known that if he ever crossed Elon it could come back to bite him. Especially if he was implicated in any Epstein stuff and Elon had access. Say what you will about Trump but he is smart about picking his battles. When he picks a fight it is usually because he intends to win. For him to make such a strong enemy out of Elon like this, knowing full well Elon has knowledge that could end him for good, that doesn't sound like Trump to me.

Of course I could be wrong. I've already been wrong. But this turn of events is so strange I have to be honest... I'm halfway convinced this is a show. And if it's not, I'll just say Elon is acting very strange. Regardless if there are issues with the bill.

[highwhey]

Let's assume this is all real and not some charade, it still wouldn't justify Elon's behavior. He's free to voice his dissent over the bill and criticize Trump, but for him to take it to the extreme like this and a make a huge show of it? To go full on crazy and try to divide the base? Epstein accusations? How does that help matters? If what you're saying is true you look like an asshole too. He could have gone about this in a much more measured way. His over the top antics make him appear less credible.

Also, Trump must have known that if he ever crossed Elon it could come back to bite him. Especially if he was implicated in any Epstein stuff and Elon had access. Say what you will about Trump but he is smart about picking his battles. When he picks a fight it is usually because he intends to win. For him to make such a strong enemy out of Elon like this, knowing full well Elon has knowledge that could end him for good, that doesn't sound like Trump to me.

Of course I could be wrong. I've already been wrong. But this turn of events is so strange I have to be honest... I'm halfway convinced this is a show. And if it's not, I'll just say Elon is acting very strange. Regardless if there are issues with the bill.

straight out of a page from trump's art of the deal. he is behaving just as unhinged as trump has behaved against liberal opposition.

how quickly (and conveniently) you forget trump's lack of diplomacy and sanity :oldlol:

[Baller234]

straight out of a page from trump's art of the deal. he is behaving just as unhinged as trump has behaved against liberal opposition.

how quickly (and conveniently) you forget trump's lack of diplomacy and sanity :oldlol:

There's nothing wrong with punching back when you're being attacked.

There's also nothing wrong with putting a deranged liberal in their place so we can point and laugh.

[Doomsday Dallas]

This is all a charade by both. Elon's own life and his family were threatened by these lunatic Leftists. This is just simply a way to shift attention away from Elon by making Trump the enemy. These two are very smart and successful men. This was carefully planned by the two and I'm sure they're having a good laugh about it.


I don't doubt it's a charade... but not for the reasons you suggested.

It would be for much more complex reasons than that.

[Meticode]

thank you for bringing this up, because on that same side of the token, it seems like all the people trump surrounds himself with have jumped ship to join him or are only loyal out of self-interests. meaning, they aren't competent or deserving of being in the positions they serve, which in turn, tells us his administration is a sham.

Oh I wouldn't doubt that at all and pretty much agree with you.

[Meticode]

Sounds like this guy is speaking from experience :lol

Hell I've done it before. Don't know about my leaders or supervisors I had in my life that were completely assholes and unfair, but I smiled pretty for them to stay in their good graces.

[Baller234]

thank you for bringing this up, because on that same side of the token, it seems like all the people trump surrounds himself with have jumped ship to join him or are only loyal out of self-interests. meaning, they aren't competent or deserving of being in the positions they serve, which in turn, tells us his administration is a sham.

Is this mf'er serious? :oldlol:

Politicians acting purely out of self interest? Politicians claiming to be friends one moment and enemies the next?

And you believe you're the smartest person in the room because you arrived at this conclusion in 2025?

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[highwhey]

Hell I've done it before. Don't know about my leaders or supervisors I had in my life that were completely assholes and unfair, but I smiled pretty for them to stay in their good graces.

i cannot do that. it's actually a defect of mines, i am unable to kiss ass/fake liking scumbags. it's began affecting some of my professional relationships, but i cannot fake liking someone lol. some of the most succesful people in my line of work are very good at it though, they will stand there smiling, fake laughing at non-funny jokes, smooch, etc and they will get awarded big contracts for making that asshole feel like he's funny and charming. me on the other hand, i couldn't give a rats ass LOL, you have a problem? i have a solution. i kind of wish i was good at faking that sheet though, not going to lie.

[highwhey]

Is this mf'er serious? :oldlol:

Politicians acting purely out of self interest? Politicians claiming to be friends one moment and enemies the next?

And you believe you're the smartest person in the room because you arrived at this conclusion in 2025?

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classic long duck dong logic..."let me oversimplify something someone else said to prove them wrong". false equivalancy.

the difference between this admin and most traditional administrations are the people crossing party lines/divisions to join him. in other words, they are people unqualified, isolated, pulled from the basement, have zero in common with trump all because the traditional republicans aren't going to be 'yes men' to the same degree as a jd vance, gabbard, rfk will. there's a reason these people are pulled from the fringes of the political space.

[Baller234]

classic long duck dong logic..."let me oversimplify something someone else said to prove them wrong". false equivalancy.

the difference between this admin and most traditional administrations are the people crossing party lines/divisions to join him. in other words, they are people unqualified, isolated, pulled from the basement, have zero in common with trump all because the traditional republicans aren't going to be 'yes men' to the same degree as a jd vance, gabbard, rfk will. there's a reason these people are pulled from the fringes of the political space.

Wtf do you mean traditional republicans? Do you live under a rock? Do you live in a shack with no windows and no wifi? Trump has defined the party for close to a decade now. The "traditional republicans" were booted a long time ago.

So Brandon's picks were qualified? The Cackler was qualified? Bootygig was qualified? :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[highwhey]

Wtf do you mean traditional republicans? Do you live under a rock? Do you live in a shack with no windows and no wifi? Trump has defined the party for close to a decade now. The "traditional republicans" were booted a long time ago.

So Brandon's picks were qualified? The Cackler was qualified? Bootygig was qualified? :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

this headline encompasses most of trump's appointees in a nutshell:


“The Intern in Charge”: Meet the 22-Year-Old Trump’s Team Picked to Lead Terrorism Prevention
One year out of college and with no apparent national security expertise, Thomas Fugate is the Department of Homeland Security official tasked with overseeing the government’s main hub for combating violent extremism.
by Hannah Allam

nothing you say will change those fax. crawl back into your sniper's nest.

[Baller234]

this headline encompasses most of trump's appointees in a nutshell:



nothing you say will change those fax. crawl back into your sniper's nest.

So you think Brandon's administration featured only the best and brightest and not just those who were entangled politically?

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Patrick Chewing]

So you think Brandon's administration featured only the best and brightest and not just those who were entangled politically?

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

The Biden administration was low IQ as highweight is.

[ShawkFactory]

Let's assume this is all real and not some charade, it still wouldn't justify Elon's behavior. He's free to voice his dissent over the bill and criticize Trump, but for him to take it to the extreme like this and a make a huge show of it? To go full on crazy and try to divide the base? Epstein accusations? How does that help matters? If what you're saying is true you look like an asshole too. He could have gone about this in a much more measured way. His over the top antics make him appear less credible.

Also, Trump must have known that if he ever crossed Elon it could come back to bite him. Especially if he was implicated in any Epstein stuff and Elon had access. Say what you will about Trump but he is smart about picking his battles. When he picks a fight it is usually because he intends to win. For him to make such a strong enemy out of Elon like this, knowing full well Elon has knowledge that could end him for good, that doesn't sound like Trump to me.

Of course I could be wrong. I've already been wrong. But this turn of events is so strange I have to be honest... I'm halfway convinced this is a show. And if it's not, I'll just say Elon is acting very strange. Regardless if there are issues with the bill.

Haven't read the rest of the thread yet, just getting my way through the recent pages but...this is fvcking rich coming from a Trump guy, I have to say.

Are you really saying criticize a dude spewing mean words and accusations? Really??

I'm not chewing on this like some would (aside from the hilarity of course). But come on now...

[highwhey]

Haven't read the rest of the thread yet, just getting my way through the recent pages but...this is fvcking rich coming from a Trump guy, I have to say.

Are you really saying criticize a dude spewing mean words and accusations? Really??

I'm not chewing on this like some would (aside from the hilarity of course). But come on now...

low self awareness is a common trait among MAGA fakkits...as i said, elon is doing the exact same thing trump has been doing for years and yet his supporters are butthurt about it :oldlol:

[jstern]

When a figure involved in politics suddenly appears with a black eye, followed by a complete change in something, then you have to be very suspicious.

[Lakers Legend#32]

The Biden administration was low IQ as highweight is.

Quit pretending that intelligence is a trait admired by MAGA.

[diamenz]

doomsy how did you not see this all coming bro?

[Doomsday Dallas]

doomsy how did you not see this all coming bro?


I saw this a mile away....


It's the Antichrist and False Prophet bro.... anything is possible with those two.

[Doomsday Dallas]

I'll admit... for a second DOGE threw me off...

I thought maybe Trump really was trying to balance shit out with the budget...

but Conservatives are never Conservative when it comes to spending... we've known this for awhile now.

[Baller234]

"Trump says mean words all the time..."

Yea, at his enemies. When he's being attacked or forced to go on the offensive. Musk and Trump are supposed to be friends.

If it's really just a bill you're worried about and you wanted to have a rational discussion in the hopes of reaching an arrangement, and you just want what's best for the country... you don't go about it like this. That's not how you settle a disagreement with your friends. You're the one who backed his campaign and propped this guy up as a savior in the first place.

In short, when parents are about get divorced, they're not supposed to fight in front of the kids.

The change in attitude is too noticeable and it calls his motivation into question.

[Baller234]

When a figure involved in politics suddenly appears with a black eye, followed by a complete change in something, then you have to be very suspicious.

Can you elaborate? Are you inferring he might have been physically threatened or that he joined the cult.

[Doomsday Dallas]

In short, when parents are about get divorced, they're not supposed to fight in front of the kids.

The change in attitude is too noticeable and it calls his motivation into question.


It makes Elon look worse... but now that he's brought up Epstein... I want to know more about that.

[Baller234]

It makes Elon look worse... but now that he's brought up Epstein... I want to know more about that.

Well since he seems to know so much, why doesn't Elon himself come out and tell us?

[ShawkFactory]

"Trump says mean words all the time..."

Yea, at his enemies. When he's being attacked or forced to go on the offensive. Musk and Trump are supposed to be friends.

If it's really just a bill you're worried about and you wanted to have a rational discussion in the hopes of reaching an arrangement, and you just want what's best for the country... you don't go about it like this. That's not how you settle a disagreement with your friends. You're the one who backed his campaign and propped this guy up as a savior in the first place.

In short, when parents are about get divorced, they're not supposed to fight in front of the kids.

The change in attitude is too noticeable and it calls his motivation into question.

So you really did think that Musk was a good actor all along?

[Baller234]

So you really did think that Musk was a good actor all along?

I don't trust any of them. Nobody who climbs the mountain that high can have fully clean hands. This is the same guy who said he voted for Brandon in 2020. Musk was an ally and brought meaningful positive change, so his motivation didn't matter to me.

The same also applies to Trump.

[Doomsday Dallas]

I don't trust any of them. Nobody who climbs the mountain that high can have fully clean hands. This is the same guy who said he voted for Brandon in 2020. Musk was an ally and brought meaningful positive change, so his motivation didn't matter to me.

The same also applies to Trump.


When it comes to the art of the deal...

Trump has a reputation of stabbing people in the back after the back door deal is made.


Let's hope for America's sake... this doesn't apply to Israel.

[Doomsday Dallas]

edit... double post

[ShawkFactory]

I don't trust any of them. Nobody who climbs the mountain that high can have fully clean hands. This is the same guy who said he voted for Brandon in 2020. Musk was an ally and brought meaningful positive change, so his motivation didn't matter to me.

The same also applies to Trump.

Motivation should matter though. Because as we’re currently seeing, the actions can change at the drop of a hat when interests are threatened.

[warriorfan]

Motivation should matter though. Because as we’re currently seeing, the actions can change at the drop of a hat when interests are threatened.

They both have equal or similar motivations. The difference is that Elon is not a politician, Biden is. Their skill sets are very different.

[Baller234]

Motivation should matter though. Because as we’re currently seeing, the actions can change at the drop of a hat when interests are threatened.

Yes in an ideal situation intention would matter but last time I checked Jesus Christ and Clark Kent aren't running for office. These are mortal men.

Not only that but there are always going to be political entanglements beyond their control that compromise their decision making in some capacity. No one at that level is free to do whatever they want to do and act with total impunity.

MAGA voters never had a problem with this. We knew who Donald Trump was from the outset. We didn't care. We voted for him on the strength of his policies, not the strength of his character. It was the left who was obsessed with his character and swore up and down he wasn't morally fit to hold office.

The left thought it was very important that the president be a decent and honorable person. That's why they nominated Barry, Killary, Brandon and The Cackler. All just honest to god good people who never lied and never did anything corrupt.

[highwhey]

Yes in an ideal situation intention would matter but last time I checked Jesus Christ and Clark Kent aren't running for office. These are mortal men.

Not only that but there are always going to be political entanglements beyond their control that compromise their decision making in some capacity. No one at that level is free to do whatever they want to do and act with total impunity.

MAGA voters never had a problem with this. We knew who Donald Trump was from the outset. We didn't care. We voted for him on the strength of his policies, not the strength of his character. It was the left who was obsessed with his character and swore up and down he wasn't morally fit to hold office.

The left thought it was very important that the president be a decent and honorable person. That's why they nominated Barry, Killary, Brandon and The Cackler. All just honest to god good people who never lied and never did anything corrupt.

his policies and execution of those policies have been absolute sh1t. you guys just had the rug pulled under your feet with this BBB. ya'll actually thought he would cut government spending :roll:

[ShawkFactory]

Yes in an ideal situation intention would matter but last time I checked Jesus Christ and Clark Kent aren't running for office. These are mortal men.

Not only that but there are always going to be political entanglements beyond their control that compromise their decision making in some capacity. No one at that level is free to do whatever they want to do and act with total impunity.

MAGA voters never had a problem with this. We knew who Donald Trump was from the outset. We didn't care. We voted for him on the strength of his policies, not the strength of his character. It was the left who was obsessed with his character and swore up and down he wasn't morally fit to hold office.

The left thought it was very important that the president be a decent and honorable person. That's why they nominated Barry, Killary, Brandon and The Cackler. All just honest to god good people who never lied and never did anything corrupt.

See, this is where you lose me. I don’t doubt that this is your perspective and your motives for voting for him, and that’s completely respectable and fine. But you are completely ignorant if you don’t think that there is an enormous faction of his base that voted for him because of his style. Most people don’t know shit about his actual policies and how they affect their lives. They just liked that he publicly shat in the people they don’t like and said all the right things in an apparently respectable bravado.

To sum it up: speak for yourself and not the MAGA base. There are always going to be things you miss when you do that.

[Lakers Legend#32]

MAGAS would gladly give up their medical insurance just to nine trans people could not play sports.

[Baller234]

See, this is where you lose me. I don’t doubt that this is your perspective and your motives for voting for him, and that’s completely respectable and fine. But you are completely ignorant if you don’t think that there is an enormous faction of his base that voted for him because of his style. Most people don’t know shit about his actual policies and how they affect their lives. They just liked that he publicly shat in the people they don’t like and said all the right things in an apparently respectable bravado.

To sum it up: speak for yourself and not the MAGA base. There are always going to be things you miss when you do that.

Lol so I'm not in tune with the MAGA base but you are? Are you even MAGA to begin with?

It's funny because on one hand you're like "No one person should speak for Trump's base!"... but on the other hand you're like "I'll tell you what Trump voters are REALLY about!". As usual you guys speak out of both sides of your ass.

And yes wokism was one of the key issues for Trump voters so of course his voters like it when he humiliates woke democrats. His stance on wokism is one of the reasons I voted for him as well.

[Bill Gates]

When does society wake up and realize that the Government is not in charge of "wokeness"? Were Nixon and LBJ in charge of the hippie movement?

[Baller234]

When does society wake up and realize that the Government is not in charge of "wokeness"? Were Nixon and LBJ in charge of the hippie movement?

If you don't think the government had a hand in normalizing wokeness you're a bigger retard than I thought.

[Bill Gates]

If you don't think the government had a hand in normalizing wokeness you're a bigger retard than I thought.

Gov stances on this type of thing actually cause an opposite effect. Biden made people dislike wokeness, and Trump is making people go back to it.

Anyone who voted for Trump under the illusion that he would singe handedly kill wokeness is the retard.

[Baller234]

Gov stances on this type of thing actually cause an opposite effect. Biden made people dislike wokeness, and Trump is making people go back to it.

Anyone who voted for Trump under the illusion that he would singe handedly kill wokeness is the retard.

So the civil rights act of 1964 had the opposite effect as well? When Title II banned racial discrimination in hotels, restaurants, theaters, and other public places based on race... it started happening more frequently?

If a government endorsement achieves the opposite effect, what is even the point of fighting for legislation? If the goal of the woke movement was to gain mainstream acceptance, why did they advocate so strongly for government intervention?

Are you saying that woke democrats are all retards who only know how to work against their own interests?

:oldlol:

[Bill Gates]

Biden made people gravitate away from wokeness and Trump makes people gravitate toward it. Both have an opposite effect.

People who are like "woke-woke" don't like Biden. He is just more establishment to them. They don't even view him as a leftist.

[Baller234]

Biden made people gravitate away from wokeness and Trump makes people gravitate toward it. Both have an opposite effect.

People who are like "woke-woke" don't like Biden. He is just more establishment to them. They don't even view him as a leftist.

You're not making any sense at all.

So if Trump is great for wokism, why are all the woke people so upset? Why cry over him banning boys in girls sports at the federal level if it's going to have the desired opposite effect?

:oldlol:

[highwhey]

You're not making any sense at all.

So if Trump is great for wokism, why are all the woke people so upset? Why cry over him banning boys in girls sports at the federal level if it's going to have the desired opposite effect?

:oldlol:

are you stupid? or do you deliberately misunderstand everything to spin it your way? i am leaning towards you being an inbred with a sub 100 IQ.

[Bill Gates]

So if Trump is great for wokism, why are all the woke people so upset? Why cry over him banning boys in girls sports at the federal level if it's going to have the desired opposite effect?

You're basically asking me why did Trump make woke people MORE woke. :oldlol:

[Baller234]

You're basically asking me why did Trump make woke people MORE woke. :oldlol:


are you stupid? or do you deliberately misunderstand everything to spin it your way? i am leaning towards you being an inbred with a sub 100 IQ.

Buffalo Bill Gates insists that government doesn't play a role in normalizing behaviors or beliefs.

So then why complain about any of these federal rulings? Who cares what's on the books?

[jstern]

Can you elaborate? Are you inferring he might have been physically threatened or that he joined the cult.

Physically threatened, with his kid being the next target. It's just something to keep an open mind about.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1760000/images/_1761419_bushpretzel300.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/07/19/17/4E67EC1000000578-5971319-image-a-46_1532016881600.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/07/20/12/4E67D16100000578-5971319-Royals_have_also_been_photographed_with_black_eyes _in_the_past_i-a-12_1532086495912.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/07/20/12/4E67F5B200000578-5971319-Prince_Andrew_was_also_pictured_with_bruising_unde r_the_eye_whil-a-14_1532086496139.jpg

Many political figures.

[Baller234]

Looks like Musk is walking back his tweets and looking to get back in Orange Face's good graces.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GtKb4mGWQAAl0-D?format=png&name=small


I mean it looks like Musk is bending the knee but who knows maybe those Epstein tweets got Trump's attention got him to the bargaining table. Then again maybe Musk bit off more than he could chew. At this point I don't think anyone could even venture a guess as to what's really going on, who's telling the truth, who's posturing, etc.

I guess the commentators on the right will pretend like this never happened and act like they're besties again. Meanwhile the lefties can commence with the Tesla burning and the endless screeching again.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Looks like Musk is walking back his tweets and looking to get back in Orange Face's good graces.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GtKb4mGWQAAl0-D?format=png&name=small


I mean it looks like Musk is bending the knee but who knows maybe those Epstein tweets got Trump's attention got him to the bargaining table. Then again maybe Musk bit off more than he could chew. At this point I don't think anyone could even venture a guess as to what's really going on, who's telling the truth, who's posturing, etc.

I guess the commentators on the right will pretend like this never happened and act like they're besties again. Meanwhile the lefties can commence with the Tesla burning and the endless screeching again.

Looks like Elon's ketamine wore off around 3AM.

[Meticode]

Looks like Elon's ketamine wore off around 3AM.

This. I don't hate or love Musk, but if one thing is true about him is that he has knee jerk reactions without thinking about the consequences of his actions. There's nothing abnormal about that when you're a multi-billionaire. I'm sure it happens everyday of their lives.

[Doomsday Dallas]

When does society wake up and realize that the Government is not in charge of "wokeness"? Were Nixon and LBJ in charge of the hippie movement?

Actually they found a way to disrupt the hippie movie movement and give it a bad reputation. Not everything is done the legal way by the folks up top.


COINTELPRO (a syllabic abbreviation derived from Counter Intelligence Program) was a series of covert and illegal projects conducted between 1956 and 1971 by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) aimed at surveilling, infiltrating, discrediting, and disrupting American political organizations


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq-Wi4Q_Nlc

https://coolmusicltd.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/CHAOS.jpg

[ArbitraryWater]

This is such a weird episode. Its so embarrassing for them to publically beef like this.

Musk seems to have a short fuse and tends to say dumb shit when hes mad.

Not that the bill doesnt suck, but, keep it under covers.

[ArbitraryWater]

When does society wake up and realize that the Government is not in charge of "wokeness"? Were Nixon and LBJ in charge of the hippie movement?

Uh, yea?! :oldlol:

These arent organic movements.

Neither was feminism.

Theyre heavily funded and infiltrated/steered.

[Bill Gates]

Uh, yea?! :oldlol:

These arent organic movements.

Neither was feminism.

Theyre heavily funded and infiltrated/steered.
Hippies spurred out of anti-Gov :oldlol: Not started by the Gov

I mean, you literally think Trump is in charge of feminism? :oldlol:

Does the US Gov really dictate how you think?

:facepalm

[ShawkFactory]

Actually they found a way to disrupt the hippie movie movement and give it a bad reputation. Not everything is done the legal way by the folks up top.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq-Wi4Q_Nlc

https://coolmusicltd.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/CHAOS.jpg

I read Chaos a couple of years ago. VERY interesting...