Ukraine Drone Footage Bombing Russian Planes

[Meticode]

Kind of crazy that there's absolutely not defense from Russian to stop them from bombing. I'm curious that whenever the U.S. gets into a conflict if drones are going to be a major part of the warfare like it is in this capacity.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ1VoPhzopc

[Patrick Chewing]

Russia is so realistically weak that if the United States wanted to, we could sink them in just a few days.

Ukraine was able to drop a bomb over the Kremlin a couple of years ago.

[Meticode]

Russia is so realistically weak that if the United States wanted to, we could sink them in just a few days.

Ukraine was able to drop a bomb over the Kremlin a couple of years ago.

The only reason Russia is mentioned in major conflict with the U.S. is because of their nuclear arsenal. If we launch or they launch it's devastating for the world because the other side is forced to respond. Their military in terms of vehicles, technology, etc seems outdated from the documentation I've watched. The main threat is China realistically and if China chooses to force it's will upon Taiwan and take it similar to how Russian took part of Ukraine, then the U.S. and possibly other countries are forced to get involved.

[diamenz]

Russia is so realistically weak that if the United States wanted to, we could sink them in just a few days.

Ukraine was able to drop a bomb over the Kremlin a couple of years ago.

yeah, except nukes. remember?

[diamenz]

The only reason Russia is mentioned in major conflict with the U.S. is because of their nuclear arsenal. If we launch or they launch it's devastating for the world because the other side is forced to respond. Their military in terms of vehicles, technology, etc seems outdated from the documentation I've watched. The main threat is China realistically and if China chooses to force it's will upon Taiwan and take it similar to how Russian took part of Ukraine, then the U.S. and possibly other countries are forced to get involved.

russia's army is unmatched in the world right now. they're battle hardened, and their morality is as high as it can be. ours is filled with transgender 140 lbs soyboys and overweight women that have the color variety of a benaton ad because "equality"!, sorry excuses of men that would scurry at the sound of gunfire and artillery. no real men want to join ours ranks. it's a joke.

[Off the Court]

russia's army is unmatched in the world right now. they're battle hardened, and their morality is as high as it can be. ours is filled with transgender 140 lbs soyboys that have the color variety of a benaton ad because "equality"!, sorry excuses of men that would scurry at the sound of gunfire and artillery. no real men want to join ours ranks. it's a joke.

What a stupid take, your entire knowledge of military is obtained through memes you saw on Twitter :roll:

Aside from that, one of our "tranny soyboys" would obliterate them just controlling a drones like a video game. WW2 was a long time ago, we don't storm beaches in mass throwing hand grenades any more. We just blow the beach up now with drones.

The idea that our military needs to be a the cast of the movie Predator is retarded. We fight with technology now.

[Meticode]

russia's army is unmatched in the world right now. they're battle hardened, and their morality is as high as it can be. ours is filled with transgender 140 lbs soyboys that have the color variety of a benaton ad because "equality"!, sorry excuses of men that would scurry at the sound of gunfire and artillery. no real men want to join ours ranks. it's a joke.

I don't disagree on that some of that, but boots on the ground doesn't mean as much as it used to in comparison to today's age. Just look at the current Ukraine/Russian war. Most of the war has been fought through bombings and drones. The only Russian boots I've seen on the ground are the ones that are trying to run from their tanks or military vehicle as it's getting drone bombed. Russia's military size is an estimated six to seven times larger than Ukraine's, but those numbers don't mean anything if you can't get past the technology and hardware the Ukraine has been given by allies. The name of the game is who has the best technological advantage in relation to their military hardware. And that's unrivaled by the United States currently with China slowly gaining ground. Russia's military is an afterthought in terms of technology minus their nukes.

[diamenz]

What a stupid take, your entire knowledge of military is obtained through memes you saw on Twitter :roll:

Aside from that, one of our "tranny soyboys" would obliterate them just controlling a drones like a video game. WW2 was a long time ago, we don't storm beaches in mass throwing hand grenades any more. We just blow the beach up now with drones.

The idea that our military needs to be a the cast of the movie Predator is retarded. We fight with technology now.

that's why i said their army. the ukraine war has been fought in a conventional way, despite drone programs and other missile technologies that have evolved. wars aren't won on the sea or in the air. you want to take, occupy and control land and win battles and ultimately win wars, even in the year 2025, you need an army to do it.

[Off the Court]

I am confused by how so many who see this news are under the impression that drone attacks are something new.

Check out the assassination of Qasem Soleimani. The US assassinated an Iraqi General by flying a drone into his room. Others in the building were unharmed.

Precision drone attack there.

[Meticode]

even in the year 2025, you need an army to do it.

Yes, but the army doesn't mean anything if you can get past the hardware and technology that keeps them at bay.

[Meticode]

I am confused by how so many who see this news are under the impression that drone attacks are something new.

Check out the assassination of Qasem Soleimani. The US assassinated an Iraqi General by flying a drone into his room. Others in the building were unharmed.

Precision drone attack there.

I don't think it's the fact drones are being used. It's the sheer quantity. Russia and Ukraine are literally using thousands if not tens of thousands of drones.

[highwhey]

Russia is so realistically weak that if the United States wanted to, we could sink them in just a few days.

Ukraine was able to drop a bomb over the Kremlin a couple of years ago.

but trump told zelensky he had no cards to play...umm i'm confused, does he or does he not? :eek:

[Off the Court]

I don't think it's the fact drones are being used. It's the sheer quantity. Russia and Ukraine are literally using thousands if not tens of thousands of drones.
I mean the US fighting in the middle east, afghanistan, etc is hundreds of drone strikes, killing hundreds.

I guess you mean just lots of smaller scale drones?


It's only a matter of time until we are fighting with robots controlled by children who are really awesome at Fortnight.

[Meticode]

I mean the US fighting in the middle east, afghanistan, etc is hundreds of drone strikes, killing hundreds.

I guess you mean just lots of smaller scale drones?


It's only a matter of time until we are fighting with robots controlled by children who are really awesome at Fortnight.

Those are multi-million drones you're speaking of during that time. Flying high and dropping bombs. I'm talking about these ultra cheap drones where one ground unit will have hundreds if not thousands of them to send out and be controlled by one person.

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2023/09/18/multimedia/00ukraine-drone-13-cjwf/00ukraine-drone-13-cjwf-articleLarge.jpg

[Off the Court]

Yeah, in terms of cost effectiveness this strike set a new bar I suppose.

[Patrick Chewing]

yeah, except nukes. remember?

None of them probably even work.

[Meticode]

None of them probably even work.

Do you want to test that theory?

[Patrick Chewing]

Do you want to test that theory?

I will personally send the Kremlin an email taunting them and telling them that their nuclear arsenal ain't shit.

[GOBB]

Ukraine and Russia still rumbling?

[Meticode]

Ukraine and Russia still rumbling?

Yep, hundreds of civilians are still dying every month. Probably more soldiers than that. Civilian causalities are up to 13,000 killed and 32,000 injured in attacks.

[diamenz]

Yep, hundreds of civilians are still dying every month. Probably more soldiers than that. Civilian causalities are up to 13,000 killed and 32,000 injured in attacks.

last estimate i heard was one dead russian soldier for every ten ukrainian. that's not counting those wounded. it's a meat grinder and we're allowing it to happen.

well over a million ukrainian soldiers dead at this point.

[GOBB]

Yep, hundreds of civilians are still dying every month. Probably more soldiers than that. Civilian causalities are up to 13,000 killed and 32,000 injured in attacks.

Got damn. Tragic

[highwhey]

Yep, hundreds of civilians are still dying every month. Probably more soldiers than that. Civilian causalities are up to 13,000 killed and 32,000 injured in attacks.

crazy to think in comparison to mexico where they have had a consistent 1600-2000 deaths per month since 2006 due to cartel violence. and at the heart of those 2 confilicts (UKRAINE-RUSSIA ; MEXICO-CARTELS)...is you guessed it:

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTxGBvrWveEFkmQdz3SQsw0RmwFVdS-9laxYg&s

[diamenz]

Got damn. Tragic

30,000 dead brown kids in the ME is even worse we're not supposed to talk about that.

[highwhey]

30,000 dead brown kids in the ME is even worse we're not supposed to talk about that.

And yet another conflict with US involvement. Damn, starting to see a trend here.

[Patrick Chewing]

30,000 dead brown kids in the ME is even worse we're not supposed to talk about that.

You mention it every day, son.

[diamenz]

You mention it every day, son.

it bothers me. it should bother you too.

[Bill Gates]

last estimate i heard was one dead russian soldier for every ten ukrainian. that's not counting those wounded. it's a meat grinder and we're allowing it to happen.

well over a million ukrainian soldiers dead at this point.

Where have you heard this?

https://www.nbcnews.com/world/ukraine/russia-ukraine-war-troop-casualties-1-million-report-csis-spiderweb-rcna210837


The Russian military will likely surpass 1 million casualties in its war on Ukraine this summer, according to one of the world’s leading think tanks, reflecting the staggering human toll of President Vladimir Putin’s assault on his neighbor.

Around 250,000 of these Russian soldiers have died, the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) said in a report Tuesday.

The Ukrainian military has also suffered heavy losses, with 400,000 casualties, including 60,000 to 100,000 soldiers killed, it said.

I know you probably believe this is an MSM lie, but I want to know where you got your numbers from?

[Meticode]

last estimate i heard was one dead russian soldier for every ten ukrainian. that's not counting those wounded. it's a meat grinder and we're allowing it to happen.

well over a million ukrainian soldiers dead at this point.

Somehow I just don't believe this. That would be 3% of Ukraine's population and if 1 million soldiers died that would be like 1/3 of the U.S military size just dying. And 1 million soldiers is 6-7x larger than what their military was reported to have in sheer numbers which was between 150,000 and 200,000 soldiers.\

Even my civilian numbers I gave are probably wrong.

[diamenz]

Where have you heard this?

https://www.nbcnews.com/world/ukraine/russia-ukraine-war-troop-casualties-1-million-report-csis-spiderweb-rcna210837


I know you probably believe this is an MSM lie, but I want to know where you got your numbers from?

through a number of sources that have connections on the ground over there. retired army colonels, geopolitical analysts & scientists and international relations scholars.

[diamenz]

Somehow I just don't believe this. That would be 3% of Ukraine's population and if 1 million soldiers died that would be like 1/3 of the U.S military size just dying. And 1 million soldiers is 6-7x larger than what their military was reported to have in sheer numbers which was between 150,000 and 200,000 soldiers.\

Even my civilian numbers I gave are probably wrong.

it's a meat grinder over there. i've heard reports of seventy year old ukrainian men, fifteen year old boys and pregnant women on the battlefield. it's a disaster and it's not being reported in us media. jstern follows this stuff - he'll tell you the same thing.

[Meticode]

it's a meat grinder over there. i've heard reports of seventy year old ukrainian men, fifteen year old boys and pregnant women on the battlefield. it's a disaster and it's not being reported in us media. jstern follows this stuff - he'll tell you the same thing.

I know they were forcing a lot of people into service, but somehow I just don't believe those numbers. I could totally be wrong obviously. I just would need more proof than what internet or what AI spits out.

[diamenz]

I know they were forcing a lot of people into service, but somehow I just don't believe those numbers. I could totally be wrong obviously. I just would need more proof than what internet or what AI spits out.

the fog of war is a bitch. even after the fact we'll probably never know the real truth. it's a disaster nonetheless.

[Bill Gates]

through a number of sources that have connections on the ground over there. retired army colonels, geopolitical analysts & scientists and international relations scholars.

Do you have any links or sources to show of any kind?

[diamenz]

Do you have any links or sources to show of any kind?

it's almost all podcast stuff. here's some archived stuff but you'll have to find everything on your own.

https://www.youtube.com/@judgingfreedom/streams

col. douglas macgregor, col. lawrence wilkerson, prof john mierschiemer (sp), prof jeffrey sachs, scott ritter, max blumenthal among others found on there are all solid sources of info on ukraine & gaza. i implore you to check it out.

[Bill Gates]

How about this?

https://index.minfin.com.ua/en/russian-invading/casualties/

Everything I am seeing even from sources outside of the US, have the Russian casualties at a far greater number than the Ukraine casualties.

[diamenz]

How about this?

https://index.minfin.com.ua/en/russian-invading/casualties/

Everything I am seeing even from sources outside of the US, have the Russian casualties at a far greater number than the Ukraine casualties.

what about it? which source would you put more of your trust in to be giving you closer to the right numbers?

do you deem msm to be credible? or would you rather listen to a group of intellectuals who will lay it out to you straight?

[Bill Gates]

If all of the internet is leaning a certain way, have to go with that.

What you posted was a bunch of rants and I would have to be pointed to the exact part where numbers are layed out and how the person came to that conclusion. A general on the field would know the ins and outs of how the fight is going, but would still be clueless as to total casualties. No one can see the entire country all at once.

[diamenz]

If all of the internet is leaning a certain way, have to go with that.





that's it bill, just follow the crowd.






What you posted was a bunch of rants and I would have to be pointed to the exact part where numbers are layed out and how the person came to that conclusion. A general on the field would know the ins and outs of how the fight is going, but would still be clueless as to total casualties. No one can see the entire country all at once.



no, i'm not giving you timestamps because i don't have any. if you're truly curious about these subjects you can listen to the podcasts yourself and draw conclusions from there.

[Bill Gates]

following the crowd >>> pulling numbers out of your ass

[diamenz]

following the crowd >>> pulling numbers out of your ass

you won't even entertain a second source of information. who's the fool?

[Bill Gates]

you won't even entertain a second source of information. who's the fool?

I tried to, I'd have to watch through like 100 hours of rants to find the one part where a guy says the numbers are the opposite of what is reported.

It would also be like the "10th" source too. I found foreign estimates. I mean, everyone's estimates are the opposite or yours. You may want to consider that you're off here.

[jstern]

you won't even entertain a second source of information. who's the fool?

You're talking to a person with a limited IQ, who literally believes, because the media told him so, that Putin just randomly woke up one day and to the shock of everyone decided to attack Ukraine. No preplanning, just the same day, right after getting up from bed, leaving everybody confused and in shock, in the same manner they would be confused if Russia randomly attacked Madagascar, or Angola. He also believes that Putin bombed his own pipeline. It is what it is.

[Patrick Chewing]

diamenz has the pulse on the street. He knows the number of casualties for every war, but most especially, he knows the number of casualties of the brown people. Anyone else challenging these numbers is a damn fool.

[diamenz]

diamenz has the pulse on the street. He knows the number of casualties for every war, but most especially, he knows the number of casualties of the brown people. Anyone else challenging these numbers is a damn fool.

that's right chewing knows the business.

[diamenz]

You're talking to a person with a limited IQ, who literally believes, because the media told him so, that Putin just randomly woke up one day and to the shock of everyone decided to attack Ukraine. No preplanning, just the same day, right after getting up from bed, leaving everybody confused and in shock, in the same manner they would be confused if Russia randomly attacked Madagascar, or Angola. He also believes that Putin bombed his own pipeline. It is what it is.

don't forget the part about how putin wants not just eastern but western ukraine as well. then when he's done with that he wants eastern europe and the baltic states. :rolleyes:

[diamenz]

I tried to, I'd have to watch through like 100 hours of rants to find the one part where a guy says the numbers are the opposite of what is reported.

It would also be like the "10th" source too. I found foreign estimates. I mean, everyone's estimates are the opposite or yours. You may want to consider that you're off here.

enjoy the episodes in the meantime then. maybe you'll learn a thing or two. :D

but believe whatever you want bill. i'm not gonna plead.

[Bill Gates]

but believe whatever you want bill. i'm not gonna plead.

Do you know what "implore" means?

[Bill Gates]

You're talking to a person with a limited IQ, who literally believes, because the media told him so, that Putin just randomly woke up one day and to the shock of everyone decided to attack Ukraine. No preplanning, just the same day, right after getting up from bed, leaving everybody confused and in shock, in the same manner they would be confused if Russia randomly attacked Madagascar, or Angola. He also believes that Putin bombed his own pipeline. It is what it is.

:oldlol:


what?

link to me saying this?

[Bill Gates]

https://www.csis.org/analysis/russias-battlefield-woes-ukraine

Is this fake news MSM? Even if you think that it is fake, it is still more than anything you or jstern has brought to the table. Which is searching through hours of audio for something that probably doesn't even exist. You both just WANT Russia to win, and the outcome that you've dreamed up in your heads reflects that partisan thinking. If what I am saying isn't true? SHOW US SOMETHING REAL.

[diamenz]

https://www.csis.org/analysis/russias-battlefield-woes-ukraine

Is this fake news MSM? Even if you think that it is fake, it is still more than anything you or jstern has brought to the table. Which is searching through hours of audio for something that probably doesn't even exist. You both just WANT Russia to win, and the outcome that you've dreamed up in your heads reflects that partisan thinking. If what I am saying isn't true? SHOW US SOMETHING REAL.

you're focusing on one small snapshot of the big picture. no one is saying "russia wins, flawless victory... fatality". of course russia has had and continues to have their setbacks but again, :rolleyes: anyone that's been following this war for the past two years, as long as they're not as easily taken on an emotional roller coaster ride from cover story to cover story as you are, knows where this is inevitably headed.

i don't want russia to win and what a stupid thing to get hung up on. i just want this nonsense to be over and for both ukrainians and russians to stop dying on account of our stubborness to admit mistake and failure in a war's outcome that's already long been decided.

[Bill Gates]

you're focusing on one small snapshot of the big picture. no one is saying "russia wins, flawless victory... fatality". of course russia has had and continues to have their setbacks but again, :rolleyes: anyone that's been following this war for the past two years, as long as they're not as easily taken on an emotional roller coaster ride from cover story to cover story as you are, knows where this is inevitably headed.

i don't want russia to win and what a stupid thing to get hung up on. i just want this nonsense to be over and for both ukrainians and russians to stop dying on account of our stubborness to admit mistake and failure in a war's outcome that's already long been decided.

Yes you have already pre-determined this war's ending, and your "estimates" that are no where to be found reflect your decided conclusion. But I will say to you that I think you are narrowly viewing this as a war between Russia and Ukraine. Russia is at war with Euro Union, and if you think the US Military Complex is going to throw away all they have done simply because Trump is in office? That is more gullible than buying into MSM narratives, which are hit and miss.

[diamenz]

Yes you have already pre-determined this war's ending, and your "estimates" that are no where to be found reflect your decided conclusion. But I will say to you that I think you are narrowly viewing this as a war between Russia and Ukraine. Russia is at war with Euro Union, and if you think the US Military Complex is going to throw away all they have done simply because Trump is in office? That is more gullible than buying into MSM narratives, which are hit and miss.

yes, the eu is helping fund this disaster but their support is minimal compared to ours, especially militarily. if we pulled out today, they alone would not have the resources to pick up our slack the next time ukraine comes calling for another supplemental. we are the primary ones fueling this.

it's true that the us is arguably too far invested to just pull out now but we have to face the music one way or another and the longer this drags on the more and more of a bloodbath it becomes as well as the added risk of nuclear escalation. moscow sees this conflict as existential. in the end, putin is going to take what he wants in eastern ukraine and without the us putting troops on the ground it's only a matter of time before that ends up happening.

[Bill Gates]

yes, the eu is helping fund this disaster but their support is minimal compared to ours, especially militarily. if we pulled out today, they alone would not have the resources to pick up our slack the next time ukraine comes calling for another supplemental. we are the primary ones fueling this.

it's true that the us is arguably too far invested to just pull out now but we have to face the music one way or another and the longer this drags on the more and more of a bloodbath it becomes as well as the added risk of nuclear escalation. moscow sees this conflict as existential. in the end, putin is going to take what he wants in eastern ukraine and without the us putting troops on the ground it's only a matter of time before that ends up happening.

First off he wants all of Ukraine. Kyiv was invaded very early in the war, and they could not capture it. So even if Russia ends up with only East Ukraine that could be seen as worth the effort and lives lost. But second, you have to understand that many in Ukraine would in fact rather die than give up their home to Putin. Your view is to just run away, declare that Russia is too big and scary, and minimize the loss. But for many who live there, that is a worse option than the "meat grinder".

[diamenz]

First off he wants all of Ukraine. Kyiv was invaded very early in the war, and they could not capture it. So even if Russia ends up with only East Ukraine that could be seen as worth the effort and lives lost. But second, you have to understand that many in Ukraine would in fact rather die than give up their home to Putin. Your view is to just run away, declare that Russia is too big and scary, and minimize the loss. But for many who live there, that is a worse option than the "meat grinder".

who told you that??? i have no idea why you keep simping for the msm. all they do is regurgitate what our government tells them - they're literally stenographers for the deep state. you're taking information from a government that's blatantly lied to us for decades and beyond about wars and foreign affairs, at face value. what the hell are you smoking?

first of all, the country of ukraine is no monolith when it comes to culture, language and ethnicity. eastern ukraine is for the most part, russian in that regard. western ukraine is, you guessed it - hard nosed ukrainian. in the middle where the river divides it, a river that you've probably never even heard of and couldn't pronounce if you tried, is a mixture of both.

i hope that you can at least acknowledge that putin is no idiot. on the contrary, he's demonstrated himself to be very intelligent whether people like it or not. now why would putin want to govern hard-nosed ukrainians, much less Poles or anything west of the ukrainian border? he'd be faced with neverending unrest from the population. this is not a serious argument. it's foolish... and who in their right mind would want to govern the mess that is eastern europe to boot? furthermore, the army that he currently has deployed has nowhere near the number that he would need to achieve such a feat. in addition to that, he's almost wise enough to recognize and realize the consequences he would face for doing so. just quit while you're ahead dude. you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

[Bill Gates]

Putin wants control of the Ukraine Government (aka the entire country). Like I said, early on Russia went directly for the Capital Kyiv. They wouldn't have done that if they only wanted the East. It isn't even about land, he wants control of the country itself.

If he only wanted the East? The war would be over right now. :oldlol: Because Russia has control of the East. They are still fighting, because they want it all.

[Bill Gates]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kyiv_(2022)


Read this please.

At the start of this war, Putin went directly for the Capital City Kyiv. He was hoping to capture the entire country with that right from the get go. Boom war over.

3 years ago, and Russia has been confined to the East for so long now that many probably forgot this even happened.

[Meticode]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kyiv_(2022)


Read this please.

At the start of this war, Putin went directly for the Capital City Kyiv. He was hoping to capture the entire country with that right from the get go. Boom war over.

3 years ago, and Russia has been confined to the East for so long now that many probably forgot this even happened.

The drawn out process of the war just shows how weak their military is. It's not a great superpower in terms of hardware and boots on the ground. Their main threat has been nukes for decades now.

[jstern]

https://www.csis.org/analysis/russias-battlefield-woes-ukraine

Is this fake news MSM? Even if you think that it is fake, it is still more than anything you or jstern has brought to the table. Which is searching through hours of audio for something that probably doesn't even exist. You both just WANT Russia to win, and the outcome that you've dreamed up in your heads reflects that partisan thinking. If what I am saying isn't true? SHOW US SOMETHING REAL.

You are dumb, you have a low IQ. You don't have brain of your own, you cannot think for yourself, so you adopt the opinions of CNN and anything with a fancy titles and consider yourself intelligent, not for actually using your brain for anything, but for adopting their opinion. You're particularly useful for propaganda and are what they would call a useful idiot.

And I was thinking about this the other day, because it's very Blade like, so it might be a cultural thing. Because I think in India, titles are very important. Though I'm only basing that on the couple of Indians that I've known.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kyiv_(2022)


Read this please.

At the start of this war, Putin went directly for the Capital City Kyiv. He was hoping to capture the entire country with that right from the get go. Boom war over.

3 years ago, and Russia has been confined to the East for so long now that many probably forgot this even happened.

When the war in Ukraine started, and the Joe Biden crowd started with the propaganda that they wanted to take the whole of Ukraine, for people like you, everyone that knew anything, which includes the US, knew that wasn't the case, due to the simple fact that Russia threw in 150,000 soldiers, which was the right amount for their stated goal. Where as if they wanted to take over the whole country, they would have needed at east one million.

[BurningHammer]

:blah

:oldlol:

[Doomsday Dallas]

I'm gonna be honest...

I didn't know there was that much death as a result of the Ukraine/Russia war.



WWIII might actually be closer than we all suspect.

[Meticode]

I'm gonna be honest...

I didn't know there was that much death as a result of the Ukraine/Russia war.



WWIII might actually be closer than we all suspect.

Either way you cut it, it's sad. I'm not sure about the numbers, but I would assume at least tens of thousands of people have died at the minimum. They're reporting hundreds of thousands of soldiers. I'm not so sure how much I trust that. Think about Vietnam for the United States and how much of a disaster that was for us? The United States was roughly directly involved in the war for over 8 years and we lost 58,220 soldiers. In WW2 the US lost over 400,000 soldiers over the course of almost four years in direct confrontation of battles.

[Bill Gates]

The drawn out process of the war just shows how weak their military is. It's not a great superpower in terms of hardware and boots on the ground. Their main threat has been nukes for decades now.

Absolutely. I mean, if the Russia army was a strong and powerful as diamenz suggests this would have been over a very long time ago. They wouldn't want to make long drawn out soft pushes over years and years time. They'd want to do it like the US did Iraq, sweep in, take control, overthrow the Gov, it's over. Then just occupy.

[Meticode]

Absolutely. I mean, if the Russia army was a strong and powerful as diamenz suggests this would have been over a very long time ago. They wouldn't want to make long drawn out soft pushes over years and years time. They'd want to do it like the US did Iraq, sweep in, take control, overthrow the Gov, it's over. Then just occupy.

I agree with what you're saying, but Iraq is a poor comparison. Iraq's government and military was fractured. There was a lot of soldiers who didn't even want to fight for Saddam. Also Iraq had zero support from the outside world military-wise. Most of the opposition in Iraq wasn't their military, it was the insurgents disguising themselves as civilians and doing guerilla bomb tactics. Ukraine has billions of dollars of support from several countries including the U.S. through various means and military hardware.

If no one helped Ukraine I think the war would've been closer to being over than it is now.

[highwhey]

I agree with what you're saying, but Iraq is a poor comparison. Iraq's government and military was fractured. There was a lot of soldiers who didn't even want to fight for Saddam. Also Iraq had zero support from the outside world military-wise. Most of the opposition in Iraq wasn't their military, it was the insurgents disguising themselves as civilians and doing guerilla bomb tactics. Ukraine has billions of dollars of support from several countries including the U.S. through various means and military hardware.

If no one helped Ukraine I think the war would've been closer to being over than it is now.

as i said previously in this very thread, the US is often at the heart of these conflicts. it's in their best interest to fight a proxy war against russia. pretty much any administration aside from trump (bc of his shady dealings with putin) would have jumped at the opportunity to strike a blow to russia without getting their hands dirty. for some reason, this country is full of people that know how the us operates internationally yet they turn a blind eye when those conflicts begin having consequences outside of their borders (israel-palestine conflict, mexico-cartels). it's such hypocrisy because this country started or fueled to conflicts yet points fingers at everyone but themselves.

[jstern]

Absolutely. I mean, if the Russia army was a strong and powerful as diamenz suggests this would have been over a very long time ago. They wouldn't want to make long drawn out soft pushes over years and years time. They'd want to do it like the US did Iraq, sweep in, take control, overthrow the Gov, it's over. Then just occupy.

The goal is not to take over the whole of Ukraine, like the media has told you, and you believe with all of your heart, the goal is for Ukraine to become neutral and in the meantime 10 Ukrainians are dying for every Russian. Which you couldn't care less about, other than you want to argue the side that Joe Biden and the media has told you to.

The war would have been over, with Russia's objectives being met, neutral Ukraine, with a deal ready to be signed, champagne bottles popped open, but in April 2022, the Joe Biden crowd sent Boris Johnson, and forbid Zelenskyy from ending it. Killing some 700,000+ more Ukrainians, with Ukraine losing more land. Ukraine would have had more land, been in a much better position right now, but they want them to fight to the last Ukrainian.

In the meantime, Russia can just continue indefinitely occupying the land with Russian speaking people (The Donbas) that the Ukrainian government had been shelling since 2014. And you'll be happy sending them more tax payer money so that more Ukrainians die.

[Bill Gates]

Russia invaded Kyiv and literally tried to take all of Ukraine at the start of the war. Putin wants control of the Ukraine Government. I am sorry to break this news to you.

[jstern]

Russia invaded Kyiv and literally tried to take all of Ukraine at the start of the war. Putin wants control of the Ukraine Government. I am sorry to break this news to you.

You have a very low IQ, so even if Russia went into Ukraine with 1,000 soldiers you're going to believe that their intention was to take over the whole of Ukraine because Joe Biden and CNN told you so. (To take the whole of Ukraine requires over a million soldiers.) And then you're going to repeat it over and over, providing no arguments, just because believing that simplicity is all that your brain can handle. A sort of coping mechanism. The coping mechanism also forces you to block out that a peace deal was on the table in April 2022, ready to be signed, before the Joe Biden crowd blocked it, which contradicts your simplistic coping argument that Russia wanted to take the whole of Ukraine. A peace deal based on neutrality, blocked, and in the process killing some 700,000+ more Ukrainian, and Ukraine losing more land.

Edit: The deal was nearly signed. Russia then pulled its troops back from Kyiv as a goodwill gesture, which you and the media twisted (you unknowingly) that Ukraine was pushing Russia back.

[diamenz]

Russia invaded Kyiv and literally tried to take all of Ukraine at the start of the war. Putin wants control of the Ukraine Government. I am sorry to break this news to you.

you have no evidence for these claims. that's why i've said it again and again and now jstern is telling you that you don't have a serious argument. just stop now. you've done enough damage to your credibility.

i bet you also believe that israel is prioritizing getting their hostages back even though they rejected a deal to do so because they want perpetual war.

[Bill Gates]

you have no evidence for these claims. that's why i've said it again and again and now jstern is telling you that you don't have a serious argument. just stop now. you've done enough damage to your credibility.

i bet you also believe that israel is prioritizing getting their hostages back even though they rejected a deal to do so because they want perpetual war.

Evidence? It literally happened :oldlol:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kyiv_(2022)

It's literally you two that have zero evidence.

You're evidence is just "MSM LIES!" :oldlol:

[Bill Gates]

Based on available information, there is a strong indication that Vladimir Putin's long-term goals for Ukraine include the reestablishment of Russian control over the entire country, even if not through direct annexation.

Here's why:

Historical Claims: Putin has consistently questioned the historical legitimacy of Ukrainian statehood and insists on the "historical unity" of the two nations, viewing Ukrainians as essentially Russians.

Initial Invasion Goals: The 2022 invasion aimed at regime change in Kyiv, to replace the pro-Western government with a pro-Russian one and prevent Ukraine from joining NATO or the EU.

Current Actions and Statements:

Kremlin officials have stated that Russia's offensive into Dnipropetrovsk Oblast is within the framework of creating a "buffer zone" and have indicated wider territorial ambitions beyond the already annexed regions.

There have been claims from pro-Kremlin sources suggesting Russia's aim is to seize a significant portion of central, southern, and eastern Ukraine, potentially including cities like Dnipro and Odesa, by the end of 2026.

Russia continues to demand international recognition of its annexed territories and a neutral status for Ukraine, suggesting a desire for complete control over its geopolitical orientation.

While Russia currently occupies roughly 20% of Ukraine, these actions and statements suggest that the Kremlin's ambitions may not be limited to holding the currently occupied territories but rather encompass a broader desire to control or significantly influence the entirety of Ukraine.






low-IQ AI agrees with me :oldlol:

[Meticode]

I just pooped in my toilet while reading this thread.

[Bill Gates]

I just pooped in my toilet while reading this thread.

This forum is way too much of a pain on a cell phone.

[Meticode]

This forum is way too much of a pain on a cell phone.

That's why I switch to mobile view when on it.

[jstern]

That's why I switch to mobile view when on it.

I've heard Axe talk about a mobile view for ISH, but I didn't think it was true. He is the ISH expert, but I figure I would have seen it. What is this mobile view?

[Full Court]

I've heard Axe talk about a mobile view for ISH, but I didn't think it was true. He is the ISH expert, but I figure I would have seen it. What is this mobile view?

You have to keep in mind, you're talking about the person voted dumbest poster in ISH history. He didn't even know what the word "stamp" means. I had to explain it to him.

[Patrick Chewing]

Axe is pretty dumb. And very stinky.

[Axe]

Stfu, you fat ass jewelry clerk.^^

https://i.postimg.cc/442WdGK8/patrick.jpg (https://i.ibb.co/SxWM8PC/IMG-20230805-073843.jpg)


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[Lakers Legend#32]

Stfu, you fat ass jewelry clerk.^^

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This photo pretty much shuts down any argument Poopsie is making.