Demarcus Cousin almost had a ''Malice in the palace'' moment in Puerto Rico

[PistonsFan#21]

All he needed was for at least one of his teammates to join in on the action


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cwcrmWKDcs

[highwhey]

emotional lesbian

[Im Still Ballin]

That was hilarious. PUTA!

[tpols]

We need barberschool to check homies ears. Are they small and curled? :lol

Its crazy because ive heard cousins speak on a couple podcasts recently and hes actually very well spoken. Doesn't sound like hood or anything. Dude just has a super low threshold for becoming emotional and acting out. Its fascinating to see. Russell Westbrook is the same way. They have such poor impulse control for some reason.

Anyways got a good little laugh watching them dump shit on him while the trainers scrambled to hold him back like some type of ****ing loose gorilla. And the more he fought the more popcorn and soda that got dumped on his dome.

[GOBB]

Gotta love the cousins psychological breakdown. While the fans just get to act how they want free of judgement and criticism. No breakdown on the psyche of a fan who throws drinks/things at someone while hurling insults and curses? Normal behavior. Got it. lol

[Meticode]

That tunnel scene was a carbon copy of Malice at the Palace.

Cousins will always be on edge to be in these types of situations even if it's not his fault because he's an intense person with a short trigger. If he choses to get sucked in by what fans say (and they say a lot of bullshit in the NBA, I can't imagine some Puerto Rican league) then this will always be a possibility.

[Meticode]

Its crazy because ive heard cousins speak on a couple podcasts recently and hes actually very well spoken. Doesn't sound like hood or anything. Dude just has a super low threshold for becoming emotional and acting out. Its fascinating to see. Russell Westbrook is the same way. They have such poor impulse control for some reason.

The most recent podcast I saw him on was Gil's Arena and he became emotional when Nick Young disagreed with him over if it was a harder to put up stats on a bad team or easier. Nick was on the side that it was easier because no one cares about scouting your bad team. Cousins was on the side that it was harder because teams only had to scout the good player to shut him down. Cousins became upset when Nick said nobody was scouting the Kings to shut down Cousins. They'd just go into Sacramento and whoop their ass. :oldlol:

[1987_Lakers]

:roll:

[tpols]

The most recent podcast I saw him on was Gil's Arena and he became emotional when Nick Young disagreed with him over if it was a harder to put up stats on a bad team or easier. Nick was on the side that it was easier because no one cares about scouting your bad team. Cousins was on the side that it was harder because teams only had to scout the good player to shut him down. Cousins became upset when Nick said nobody was scouting the Kings to shut down Cousins. They'd just go into Sacramento and whoop their ass. :oldlol:

I did see that podcast and nick young was funny af in that exchange. "Ain't nobody worried about yall". :lol

[tpols]

https://youtube.com/shorts/MizPfVupk7M?si=C65gtB1ZCBH6DzBM

That was the clip. Young roasted his ass.

[Meticode]

I did see that podcast and nick young was funny af in that exchange. "Ain't nobody worried about yall". :lol

That was a pretty good episode because Nick gets emotional too, but he's passive aggressive about it like he's in middle school or something. He makes backhanded comments, but looks off into the distance when he does it. Then you got Kenyon Martin opposite of him and has threated to beat his ass talking like an old head. :oldlol:

[GOBB]

https://youtube.com/shorts/MizPfVupk7M?si=C65gtB1ZCBH6DzBM

That was the clip. Young roasted his ass.

Nick young is childish. Which is why Kmart told him to STFU. Nick doesn’t have the brains to counter Cousins valid argument.

[Xiao Yao You]

The most recent podcast I saw him on was Gil's Arena and he became emotional when Nick Young disagreed with him over if it was a harder to put up stats on a bad team or easier. Nick was on the side that it was easier because no one cares about scouting your bad team. Cousins was on the side that it was harder because teams only had to scout the good player to shut him down. Cousins became upset when Nick said nobody was scouting the Kings to shut down Cousins. They'd just go into Sacramento and whoop their ass. :oldlol:

The main reason the kings were bad was because of cousins. The guy still doesnt get it

[1987_Lakers]

The main reason the kings were bad was because of cousins. The guy still doesnt get it

Dude is an idiot for putting his hands on that fan, he escalated the situation. Emotional maturity of a 10 year old.

[GOBB]

The main reason the kings were bad was because of cousins. The guy still doesnt get it

And he will forever be recognized as a better player than Rudy Gobert.

But it’s pretty moronic to pin blame on a cousins for he kings being bad considering the franchise is still a laughing stock. What pick do they have in the lottery? They seem to live there with or without cousins. But blame cousins for them being bad. Got it.

[tpols]

Nick young is childish. Which is why Kmart told him to STFU. Nick doesn’t have the brains to counter Cousins valid argument.

GOBB why don't you go treat yourself to a snickers bar. Put it in the freezer for a little bit and enjoy pal. You're extra ornery lately.

[GOBB]

GOBB why don't you go treat yourself to a snickers bar. Put it in the freezer for a little bit and enjoy pal. You're extra ornery lately.

For saying Nick Young is childish and immature? Great take. You enjoy when he tries to be funny ruining convos. Got it. I don’t eat candy. That’s why some of you are overweight.

[Xiao Yao You]

And he will forever be recognized as a better player than Rudy Gobert.

But it’s pretty moronic to pin blame on a cousins for he kings being bad considering the franchise is still a laughing stock. What pick do they have in the lottery? They seem to live there with or without cousins. But blame cousins for them being bad. Got it.

Gobert will be in the hall of fame. Cousins was an inefficient, pouting, underachieving loser. If he was yhe great player he was touted to be kings wouldnt have sucked. Jazz sucked until gobert changed that. They still sucked when he wasnt on the floor. Suck again now that hes gone

[sdot_thadon]

So.nobody here besides GOBB faults the fans for throwing things at him?:biggums: I think any coward that throws things at performers shoud be collected by security and locked in a room with the person they threw it at for a few minutes and we'd never see a fan throw something else. Ask the guy who threw something at 50 cent years ago and got life altering injuries from his security if his paid ticket was worth that receipt.....

[Im Still Ballin]

So.nobody here besides GOBB faults the fans for throwing things at him?:biggums: I think any coward that throws things at performers shoud be collected by security and locked in a room with the person they threw it at for a few minutes and we'd never see a fan throw something else. Ask the guy who threw something at 50 cent years ago and got life altering injuries from his security if his paid ticket was worth that receipt.....

You lose sympathy when you start the conflict by making physical contact with a fan, not once but twice. A crying taunt isn't an excuse to do anything, nor is a middle finger. DeMarcus escalated the situation and the fans finished it.

[sdot_thadon]

You lose sympathy when you start the conflict by making physical contact with a fan, not once but twice. A crying taunt isn't an excuse to do anything, nor is a middle finger. DeMarcus escalated the situation and the fans finished it.

I can see that but what does the fans who threw the objects have to do with the previous altercation? If you're at a bar and a fight breaks out on the other side of the venue, do you throw drinks at the guys after its broken up?

[GOBB]

Gobert will be in the hall of fame. Cousins was an inefficient, pouting, underachieving loser. If he was yhe great player he was touted to be kings wouldnt have sucked. Jazz sucked until gobert changed that. They still sucked when he wasnt on the floor. Suck again now that hes gone

He will get in for his defense. Not for carrying a franchise from losers to winners. Everything you’re bagging on Cousins not to be for the Kings? Those expectations were on a Rudy Gobert. His job was to anchor a defense. Nothing more nothing less. You put Rudy in place of Cousins on the Kings and guess what? They weren’t winners. And you wouldn’t blame Rudy for it. Go figure.

The Jazz being bad is more layered than not having Rudy Gobert.


Why have the kings been so bad in nearly 2 decades? Before they drafted Cousins they stunk for a couple seasons. After cousins left they stunk not factoring in that one season with Mike Brown. Franchise is a joke putting together a winner from developing talent, drafting, trades, coach hiring/firing. I won’t include free agency for obvious reasons.

[GOBB]

You lose sympathy when you start the conflict by making physical contact with a fan, not once but twice. A crying taunt isn't an excuse to do anything, nor is a middle finger. DeMarcus escalated the situation and the fans finished it.

So basically fans can act like savages is what you’re saying. Becuase the ones who threw things were on the OTHER side of the court. Why are fans throwing things to begin with? How are folks really justifying that behavior with “cousins started it, fans finished it”? The malice in the place happened becuase a fan inserted themselves in a situation they had no business. By launching a cup of beer. Fan behavior has been excused too much. Nothing happened to the fans who threw shyt at Cousins.

So remove them and place them in a room with Cousins. See how that ends. It’s cowardly to throw things. But becuase people don’t like cousins you give it passes. lol

[Im Still Ballin]

I can see that but what does the fans who threw the objects have to do with the previous altercation? If you're at a bar and a fight breaks out on the other side of the venue, do you throw drinks at the guys after its broken up?

I think it ties into the fan-player dynamic. When Cousins did that to the two fans, he may as well have done it to all of them. He overstepped the line twice, and the fans returned serve the second time. The action isn't justified, there's just less sympathy. Not to mention the home-versus-away factor of playing in an opponent's home stadium.

[warriorfan]

Gobb was really begging for attention ITT

:roll:

[FKAri]

So.nobody here besides GOBB faults the fans for throwing things at him?:biggums: I think any coward that throws things at performers shoud be collected by security and locked in a room with the person they threw it at for a few minutes and we'd never see a fan throw something else. Ask the guy who threw something at 50 cent years ago and got life altering injuries from his security if his paid ticket was worth that receipt.....

So if a fan wants to have a bar brawl with a player all they have to do is throw something at them? You'll discourage one type of fan and encourage a whole other type of fan that's totally down for that even if the athlete isn't LOL.

[Im Still Ballin]

So basically fans can act like savages is what you’re saying. Becuase the ones who threw things were on the OTHER side of the court. Why are fans throwing things to begin with? How are folks really justifying that behavior with “cousins started it, fans finished it”? The malice in the place happened becuase a fan inserted themselves in a situation they had no business. By launching a cup of beer. Fan behavior has been excused too much. Nothing happened to the fans who threw shyt at Cousins.

So remove them and place them in a room with Cousins. See how that ends. It’s cowardly to throw things. But becuase people don’t like cousins you give it passes. lol

I'm not saying it was justified, just that there's less sympathy. True, two wrongs don't make a right. Most people just don't care because they have a solid idea of his character by now.

[Xiao Yao You]

He will get in for his defense. Not for carrying a franchise from losers to winners. Everything you’re bagging on Cousins not to be for the Kings? Those expectations were on a Rudy Gobert. His job was to anchor a defense. Nothing more nothing less. You put Rudy in place of Cousins on the Kings and guess what? They weren’t winners. And you wouldn’t blame Rudy for it. Go figure.

The Jazz being bad is more layered than not having Rudy Gobert.


Why have the kings been so bad in nearly 2 decades? Before they drafted Cousins they stunk for a couple seasons. After cousins left they stunk not factoring in that one season with Mike Brown. Franchise is a joke putting together a winner from developing talent, drafting, trades, coach hiring/firing. I won’t include free agency for obvious reasons.

Gobert is going in the hof but cousins is better? Doesnt make much sense. Gobert is a team player. He makes his teams better at both ends of the floor. Yes the kings owner sucks. Cant blame cousins being a pos on him. Kings would have been good with gobert as every team with him is. He helps his team. Doesnt pout. Doesnt try to do things hes not strong at. Doesnt rest at one end of the floor. The jazz would have sucked if cousins is there instead of gobert. Just as they sucked with kantner, favors, hayward, burks, snyder etc. Before gobert made them good. Cousins wouldnt have been pouting, taking bad shots, not playing d f he was on another team?

[pandiani17]

Gobert is going in the hof but cousins is better? Doesnt make much sense. Gobert is a team player. He makes his teams better at both ends of the floor. Yes the kings owner sucks. Cant blame cousins being a pos on him. Kings would have been good with gobert as every team with him is. He helps his team. Doesnt pout. Doesnt try to do things hes not strong at. Doesnt rest at one end of the floor. The jazz would have sucked if cousins is there instead of gobert. Just as they sucked with kantner, favors, hayward, burks, snyder etc. Before gobert made them good. Cousins wouldnt have been pouting, taking bad shots, not playing d f he was on another team?

IMO, Cousins was a great NBA player that just got unlucky. He was drafted to a very bad franchise in a strong conference and therefore lost a lot of games. Then, he was traded to the Pelicans but with AD's injuries it didn't work out. And when he finally was in a winning situation in Golden State he got sidelined. He could have had a way better career in other circunstances. And yes, he was a headcase and immature, and it seems that has not changed.

[Im Still Ballin]

I've been very harsh on DMC in the past, but he was the victim of two things: circumstance & era. A more stable team + coming into the league 7-8 years later, would've empowered his game. He proved to be an effective three-point shooter (35.2% on 4.7 3pa/g over 185 games between 2016-2018). Unfortunately, he got injured right as that league-wide shift occurred.

He played better as a modern-style big playing outside-in shooting threes and slashing to the rim. Occasional post-up, here and there. Improved his shot quality, drew more fouls, and enhanced his playmaking.

In today's NBA, he's KAT with less efficiency but more defense. Stick him on HOU instead of Sengun and he'd get All-Star selections and playoff appearances. Boosted resume and reputation

[Xiao Yao You]

IMO, Cousins was a great NBA player that just got unlucky. He was drafted to a very bad franchise in a strong conference and therefore lost a lot of games. Then, he was traded to the Pelicans but with AD's injuries it didn't work out. And when he finally was in a winning situation in Golden State he got sidelined. He could have had a way better career in other circunstances. And yes, he was a headcase and immature, and it seems that has not changed.

He was a great talent not a great player. Big difference. Cant see going to a different franchise changes who he is. Everything he says these days tells me he still doesnt have a clue. He wouldnt have taken bad shots on a different team? He would have played d? He wouldnt have pouted and blamed everything on others? Great players make their own luck. If hed been in the best shape possible maybe he doesnt have a knee injury? Maybe it would have kept him from being lazy on d and taking bad shots on offense? If he had a clue maybe he would have made those around him better instead of placing his problems on others.

[Xiao Yao You]

I've been very harsh on DMC in the past, but he was the victim of two things: circumstance & era. A more stable team + coming into the league 7-8 years later, would've empowered his game. He proved to be an effective three-point shooter (35.2% on 4.7 3pa/g over 185 games between 2016-2018). Unfortunately, he got injured right as that league-wide shift occurred.

He played better as a modern-style big playing outside-in shooting threes and slashing to the rim. Occasional post-up, here and there. Improved his shot quality, drew more fouls, and enhanced his playmaking.

In today's NBA, he's KAT with less efficiency but more defense.

Would have been put on an island defensively today and been an even bigger liability at that end than he was. Kat was a good team defender last year with great defenders around him. Kat also not a headcase that pouts and brings his whole team down with his selfishness. Kat is an elite shooter. 35% is ok for a big

[Im Still Ballin]

Would have been put on an island defensively today and been an even bigger liability at that end than he was. Kat was a good team defender last year with great defenders around him. Kat also not a headcase that pouts and brings his whole team down with his selfishness. Kat is an elite shooter. 35% is ok for a big

Cousins pre-injury was a solid defender. Comfortably better than KAT. Longer, stronger, better rim protector, and a more active defensive playmaker. 4.3 STOP% (1.7% above LA) vs. KAT's 2.4 STOP% (0% above LA).

STOP% = Steals + offensive fouls drawn + recovered blocks per 100 possessions.
LA = league average

[Xiao Yao You]

Cousins pre-injury was a solid defender. Comfortably better than KAT. Longer, stronger, better rim protector, and a more active defensive playmaker. 4.3 STOP% (1.7% above LA) vs. KAT's 2.4 STOP% (0% above LA).

STOP% = Steals + offensive fouls drawn + recovered blocks per 100 possessions.
LA = league average

Blocks and steals dont show you are a good defender. He was lazy. More likely he would have been down at the other end pouting and whining to the refs or getting into itvwith fans than getting back on d

[Im Still Ballin]

Blocks and steals dont show you are a good defender. He was lazy. More likely he would have been down at the other end pouting and whining to the refs or getting into itvwith fans than getting back on d

Obviously. But it proves he's a better defensive playmaker. And here are some rim protection stats:

KAT:

9.1 rim contests per 100
-1.8% DFG
0.4 rim points saved per 100

DMC:

9.9 rim contests per 100
-5.4% DFG
1.1 rim points saved per 100

And those are career numbers, not just pre-injury for Cousins. He peaked in 2016-17 at 8.9 rim contests per 100, -8.8% DFG, and 1.6 rim points saved per 100. KAT's best was 2018-19: 10.7 rim contests per 100, -4.5% DFG, and 1.0 rim points saved per 100.

Best three 3-year DRAPMs:

DMC:
2013-2015: +1.8 (46th in the NBA)
2014-2016: +3.6 (5th in the NBA)
2015-2017: +2.1 (37th in the NBA)

KAT:
2017-2019: -0.7 (410th in the NBA)
2021-2023: +0.5 (183rd in the NBA)
2022-2024: +0.9 (137th in the NBA)

DMC was a comfortably better defender.

[GOBB]

Gobert is going in the hof but cousins is better? Doesnt make much sense. Gobert is a team player. He makes his teams better at both ends of the floor. Yes the kings owner sucks. Cant blame cousins being a pos on him. Kings would have been good with gobert as every team with him is. He helps his team. Doesnt pout. Doesnt try to do things hes not strong at. Doesnt rest at one end of the floor. The jazz would have sucked if cousins is there instead of gobert. Just as they sucked with kantner, favors, hayward, burks, snyder etc. Before gobert made them good. Cousins wouldnt have been pouting, taking bad shots, not playing d f he was on another team?

You can call cousins what you will. Doesn’t change the fact the situation with the Kings wasn’t a good one. And that’s been proven before and after him. Two things can be right. You went to step over the dog shyt and point out the litter instead. Not sure why.

Gobert wouldn’t have won in the same situation. You don’t want to agree to this because you feel it’ll be ammo used by someone or others whenever gobert is discussed. Gobert defense is not that good to change that franchises decision making. Apparently you’re that much of a Rudy fan you think so. Crazy

[999Guy]

It never ceases to amaze me how much of losers a lot of NBA players are after retirement.


No development at all in any way. Why even play basketball under these circumstances? Grow the **** up. Find a new way to think. A new way to live.

You even see and hear it in podcasts. The players are so dumb and small-minded. They sound like regular everyday idiots.

Kobe saying he wanted to be remembered as more than a player after he retired rubbed me the wrong way, but he knew what I didn’t. And that’s just how pathetic most guys are post-retirement.

[Xiao Yao You]

Cousins was always a loser though. You still hear itvin the things he says. I cant see being drafted anywhere else changing that

[GOBB]

It never ceases to amaze me how much of losers a lot of NBA players are after retirement.


No development at all in any way. Why even play basketball under these circumstances? Grow the **** up. Find a new way to think. A new way to live.

You even see and hear it in podcasts. The players are so dumb and small-minded. They sound like regular everyday idiots.

Kobe saying he wanted to be remembered as more than a player after he retired rubbed me the wrong way, but he knew what I didn’t. And that’s just how pathetic most guys are post-retirement.

“…but he knew what I didn’t”.

More fans should apply this when they are overly critical of athletes.

[GOBB]

Gobb was really begging for attention ITT

:roll:

So I was searching to a thread in off court since the search engine here is still dog shyt. And came across a thread where you either talked about being unbanned or were banned here. Didn’t read it thoroughly because I instant shook my head which impaired my vision. That said you really get banned on message boards? You really throw welcome back parties? Proud of yourself much? lol

I’ve never been banned nor will I be as much of a douche too. I don’t even want to know what you did/said to get banned.


Don’t mind me I’m just looking for attention. The only one here that does that…

[sdot_thadon]

I think it ties into the fan-player dynamic. When Cousins did that to the two fans, he may as well have done it to all of them. He overstepped the line twice, and the fans returned serve the second time. The action isn't justified, there's just less sympathy. Not to mention the home-versus-away factor of playing in an opponent's home stadium.

All things considered those are good points, but still cant excuse random fans for poking their noses in someone else's business. Throwing anything at performers should be considered criminal if we're being honest. If that wealthy 6'10 black man assaulted someone in the street he'd have a civil case on his ass before he could unzip his warm-up. Fans have to respect the product more, these guys aren't zoo animals. And ironically you'd be kicked out of zoo for doing less to an animal......

[RRR3]

Obviously. But it proves he's a better defensive playmaker. And here are some rim protection stats:

KAT:

9.1 rim contests per 100
-1.8% DFG
0.4 rim points saved per 100

DMC:

9.9 rim contests per 100
-5.4% DFG
1.1 rim points saved per 100

And those are career numbers, not just pre-injury for Cousins. He peaked in 2016-17 at 8.9 rim contests per 100, -8.8% DFG, and 1.6 rim points saved per 100. KAT's best was 2018-19: 10.7 rim contests per 100, -4.5% DFG, and 1.0 rim points saved per 100.

Best three 3-year DRAPMs:

DMC:
2013-2015: +1.8 (46th in the NBA)
2014-2016: +3.6 (5th in the NBA)
2015-2017: +2.1 (37th in the NBA)

KAT:
2017-2019: -0.7 (410th in the NBA)
2021-2023: +0.5 (183rd in the NBA)
2022-2024: +0.9 (137th in the NBA)

DMC was a comfortably better defender.
Xiao had no answer for these facts :lol

[GOBB]

All things considered those are good points, but still cant excuse random fans for poking their noses in someone else's business. Throwing anything at performers should be considered criminal if we're being honest. If that wealthy 6'10 black man assaulted someone in the street he'd have a civil case on his ass before he could unzip his warm-up. Fans have to respect the product more, these guys aren't zoo animals. And ironically you'd be kicked out of zoo for doing less to an animal......

Agreed. Fans normalizing the behavior is weird. All those clowns throwing crap felt justified in doing so. And the fans around them probably enjoyed it. Given the slurs they were launching at Cousins. No one ever speaks out against these punks lol And when you do it’s “well it’s Cousins he asked for it. He started it”. Even if hypothetically he did nothing and random fans decided to launch stuff? The first response is to laugh and say “couldn’t have happened to a better person heh heh heh”. All the while just accepting fans being fans. I just never been a fan of fans throwing crap. Like you said they aren’t Zoo animals.

[highwhey]

BORICUAS have insane attitudes for the most part, like they're always intense and ready to pop off. cousins is not innocent for antagonizing and neither are the fans. but damn man, you gotta pick your fights and in this case, against people like that, better to walk away.

[Xiao Yao You]

You can call cousins what you will. Doesn’t change the fact the situation with the Kings wasn’t a good one. And that’s been proven before and after him. Two things can be right. You went to step over the dog shyt and point out the litter instead. Not sure why.

Gobert wouldn’t have won in the same situation. You don’t want to agree to this because you feel it’ll be ammo used by someone or others whenever gobert is discussed. Gobert defense is not that good to change that franchises decision making. Apparently you’re that much of a Rudy fan you think so. Crazy

Kings would have been competitive with gobert. Jazz were awful without him. Jazz would have sucked with cousins. One guy does things to help you win games. The other one didnt. He was too busy pouting and taking bad shots

[Xiao Yao You]

Cant quit me!

[Xiao Yao You]

2013-14 cousins teamed up with two other 20 point scorers, thomas and gay with malone coaching them to 28 wins. Just more bad luck for the great cousins? Gobert never played with 2 20 point scorers in utah let alone 3. He went through many coaches that won elsewhere. If only the guy had been given a chance! :facepalm

[Xiao Yao You]

Suspended for year :roll:

[Meticode]

Damn, Puerto Rico ain't playing around. They ousted his ass for the rest of the season...

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/demarcus-cousins-suspended-remainder-puerto-010029216.html?guccounter=1

[HylianNightmare]

Wish I could've gone and seen him in PR

[GOBB]

Damn, Puerto Rico ain't playing around. They ousted his ass for the rest of the season...

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/demarcus-cousins-suspended-remainder-puerto-010029216.html?guccounter=1

Meanwhile fans get to continue watching the games lol Hilarious

[Xiao Yao You]

Meanwhile fans get to continue watching the games lol Hilarious

Still get to watch that other talented bum hasaan whiteside! :roll:

[jayfan]

Cousins played at an all-nba level the years he had Rondo as his pg. Too bad he didn't have him his entire career.

[Xiao Yao You]

Cousins played at an all-nba level the years he had Rondo as his pg. Too bad he didn't have him his entire career.

All nba and yet his team still sucked. Hes not to blame!

[1987_Lakers]

Was never a big Cousins fan. He never played with talent in Sacramento, but always found his game one dimensional. He could score, but was also an inefficient scorer for a big man. Didn't provide much defense either. The only thing I thought he was really great at was his rebounding.

His intangibles were trash, always complaining about everything, a hot head, and didn't seem like much of a leader. Warriors made a big mistake signing him that one year, they pretty much benched him in the Finals because he was such a defensive liability.

Doesn't seem like he has matured alot with this past incident.

[Manny98]

Timberwolves should sign him for the minimum

They could do with a big man who can get you more than 5ppg in a playoff series

[Xiao Yao You]

Cant quit me!

I do miss cousins getting frustrated as gobert dominated him. Cousins and garza mba finals finally!:roll:

[Im Still Ballin]

With a better brain, he'd have been something like a bigger, better version of Sacramento Chris Webber. A highly-skilled C/PF with a 7'6" wingspan, 9'5" standing reach, and a lean, robust, wide-bodied 260-280 frame.

He'd have been less prone to outbursts and more dedicated to strength & conditioning, resulting in better functional athleticism & work capacity. Additionally, upgraded cognition would boost his basketball IQ, awareness, and decision-making. This would equate to tangible improvements in scoring efficiency via optimized shot selection, fewer turnovers, and fewer personal fouls on defense.

Talent-wise, concerning size/athleticism/skill, he's most comparable to bigs like George Mikan, Bob Lanier, (a bigger) SacTown Chris Webber, and Tim Duncan. He just didn't the brain to match the physical gifts and skills.

[Xiao Yao You]

Yep waste of great talent

[ArbitraryWater]

Gobbo @ing EVERYONE

[Manny98]

Cant quit me!

I do miss cousins getting frustrated as gobert dominated him. Cousins and garza mba finals finally!:roll:
5/6/2 that's Rudy's stat line in the conference finals :roll:

Cousins is putting up those numbers in the first quarter against scawny Holmgrem :roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

5/6/2 that's Rudy's stat line in the conference finals :roll:

Cousins is putting up those numbers in the first quarter against scawny Holmgrem :roll:

Still cant quit me!

Cousins last played in the league when?:facepalm

[highwhey]

i didn't even notice he made the fan sniff his nuts. nah man, fck that he deserved to have trash and drinks thrown at him like a zoo animal. you want to act like a fkn animal, then you'll get treated like one.

[Xiao Yao You]

Blame the kings. If hed played for a better franchise hed be a different guy :rolleyes:

[GOBB]

Blame the kings. If hed played for a better franchise hed be a different guy :rolleyes:

You’re an idiot. You can feel cousins isn’t a leader, winner etc But you can’t deny the Kings franchise is also bad. And doesn’t put talented players in position to win. Sabonis is a highly skilled big man on a losing franchise. Blame him not the Kings tho…

[Im Still Ballin]

Aside from the mental/cognitive/personality/intangible stuff, the biggest weakness with his game was subpar rim finishing due to poor vertical pop/jumping. He could neither jump high nor quickly; he just couldn't get off the ground--very much a below-the-rim guy. It's why he often led the NBA in blocked FGAs.

In New Orleans, he shot like 60% at the rim compared to AD's 72%. 57.4% with AD on the court, and 61.4% when AD was off it. Davis shot pretty much the same with or without him, so DMC definitely benefited less from the pairing. AD had a much higher TS% when they were on the court together, but DMC had a higher TS% and scored more when comparing how they did solo, when the other was off.

It was a clunky fit, and Cousins' game suffered more because of it. Still, in 2017-18, he improved to 105 TS+ and +0.32 FG Add per 36 minutes & +1.165 TS Add per 36 minutes. The scoring efficiency was there, on 25.2 ppg and a 31.9 USG%. Turnovers were the issue, which was exacerbated by the awkward fit.

In his prime from 2013-14 up until the injury in 2017-18, Cousins was 25.2 ppg/27.4 points per 75 poss/34.3 USG% on 102 TS+ and +0.506 TS Add per 36 minutes. And nearly half of that was prior to his 3PT shooting, which he was good at & made him more efficient.

For comparison, from 2022-2025, Tatum has averaged 27.7 ppg/28.35 points per 75 poss/31.6 USG% on 103 TS+ and +0.793 TS Add per 36 minutes. This with superb spacing and supporting cast.

It's a testament to his diverse skill set and versatility that he was able to be an above league-average efficiency scorer on high volume despite his inefficiency at the rim. He played nearly as many minutes at PF alongside Koufos & Cauley-Stein during the last couple of Sacramento seasons.

His game worked better playing like a big slasher-shooter-playmaker wing. Although he lacked vertical pop, he was surprisingly quick and hard to stay in front of with his long strides & bulk without fouling. Like a bigger, stronger, bully-ball version of KAT who shoots worse but is a better defender and can attack off-the-dribble better.

His last season in SAC was the best he ever played and a good representation of his talent in the modern context. He was nearly 50-50 playing C and PF. A true combo big.

- 27.8 ppg (30.7 per 75), 10.6 rpg, 4.8 apg (27.4 AST%), 1.4 spg, 1.3 bpg, 3.8 topg (13.2 TOV%)
- 56.2% TS (102 TS+), 35.6% 3PT (4.9 3pa/g), 77.0% FT (10.0 fta/g, 49.1% FTr)
- +7.2 BPM (5.6 off; 1.6 def)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFRZ8Fnmw-c&ab_channel=ZHHighlights


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5VsnOczem4&pp=ygUjZGVtYXJjdXMgY291c2lucyAyMDE2LTE3IGhpZ2hsaWd odHM%3D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxVdS24ZdSE&ab_channel=MoonEmily

[Drygon]

Aside from the mental/cognitive/personality/intangible stuff, the biggest weakness with his game was subpar rim finishing due to poor vertical pop/jumping. He could neither jump high nor quickly; he just couldn't get off the ground--very much a below-the-rim guy. It's why he often led the NBA in blocked FGAs.

In New Orleans, he shot like 60% at the rim compared to AD's 72%. 57.4% with AD on the court, and 61.4% when AD was off it. Davis shot pretty much the same with or without him, so DMC definitely benefited less from the pairing. AD had a much higher TS% when they were on the court together, but DMC had a higher TS% and scored more when comparing how they did solo, when the other was off.

It was a clunky fit, and Cousins' game suffered more because of it. Still, in 2017-18, he improved to 105 TS+ and +0.32 FG Add per 36 minutes & +1.165 TS Add per 36 minutes. The scoring efficiency was there, on 25.2 ppg and a 31.9 USG%. Turnovers were the issue, which was exacerbated by the awkward fit.

In his prime from 2013-14 up until the injury in 2017-18, Cousins was 25.2 ppg/27.4 points per 75 poss/34.3 USG% on 102 TS+ and +0.506 TS Add per 36 minutes. And nearly half of that was prior to his 3PT shooting, which he was good at & made him more efficient.

For comparison, from 2022-2025, Tatum has averaged 27.7 ppg/28.35 points per 75 poss/31.6 USG% on 103 TS+ and +0.793 TS Add per 36 minutes. This with superb spacing and supporting cast.

It's a testament to his diverse skill set and versatility that he was able to be an above league-average efficiency scorer on high volume despite his inefficiency at the rim. He played nearly as many minutes at PF alongside Koufos & Cauley-Stein during the last couple of Sacramento seasons.

His game worked better playing like a big slasher-shooter-playmaker wing. Although he lacked vertical pop, he was surprisingly quick and hard to stay in front of with his long strides & bulk without fouling. Like a bigger, stronger, bully-ball version of KAT who shoots worse but is a better defender and can attack off-the-dribble better.

His last season in SAC was the best he ever played and a good representation of his talent in the modern context. He was nearly 50-50 playing C and PF. A true combo big.

- 27.8 ppg (30.7 per 75), 10.6 rpg, 4.8 apg (27.4 AST%), 1.4 spg, 1.3 bpg, 3.8 topg (13.2 TOV%)
- 56.2% TS (102 TS+), 35.6% 3PT (4.9 3pa/g), 77.0% FT (10.0 fta/g, 49.1% FTr)
- +7.2 BPM (5.6 off; 1.6 def)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFRZ8Fnmw-c&ab_channel=ZHHighlights


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5VsnOczem4&pp=ygUjZGVtYXJjdXMgY291c2lucyAyMDE2LTE3IGhpZ2hsaWd odHM%3D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxVdS24ZdSE&ab_channel=MoonEmily

Excellent analysis of Cousins, never seen it before as everyone are harping on the narrative as "Cousins best Center" hurr durr.

[Xiao Yao You]

You’re an idiot. You can feel cousins isn’t a leader, winner etc But you can’t deny the Kings franchise is also bad. And doesn’t put talented players in position to win. Sabonis is a highly skilled big man on a losing franchise. Blame him not the Kings tho…

Havent denied it. Yet sabonis 1st season they were 3rd in west. 46 wins the next and 40 this season after they traded one of their two best players. Big difference between that and being one of the worst teams in the league despite having supposedly one of the great players in the game. Cousins led a team with 3 20 point scorers to 28 wins.:lol

[Xiao Yao You]

Aside from the mental/cognitive/personality/intangible stuff, the biggest weakness with his game was subpar rim finishing due to poor vertical pop/jumping. He could neither jump high nor quickly; he just couldn't get off the ground--very much a below-the-rim guy. It's why he often led the NBA in blocked FGAs.

In New Orleans, he shot like 60% at the rim compared to AD's 72%. 57.4% with AD on the court, and 61.4% when AD was off it. Davis shot pretty much the same with or without him, so DMC definitely benefited less from the pairing. AD had a much higher TS% when they were on the court together, but DMC had a higher TS% and scored more when comparing how they did solo, when the other was off.

It was a clunky fit, and Cousins' game suffered more because of it. Still, in 2017-18, he improved to 105 TS+ and +0.32 FG Add per 36 minutes & +1.165 TS Add per 36 minutes. The scoring efficiency was there, on 25.2 ppg and a 31.9 USG%. Turnovers were the issue, which was exacerbated by the awkward fit.

In his prime from 2013-14 up until the injury in 2017-18, Cousins was 25.2 ppg/27.4 points per 75 poss/34.3 USG% on 102 TS+ and +0.506 TS Add per 36 minutes. And nearly half of that was prior to his 3PT shooting, which he was good at & made him more efficient.

For comparison, from 2022-2025, Tatum has averaged 27.7 ppg/28.35 points per 75 poss/31.6 USG% on 103 TS+ and +0.793 TS Add per 36 minutes. This with superb spacing and supporting cast.

It's a testament to his diverse skill set and versatility that he was able to be an above league-average efficiency scorer on high volume despite his inefficiency at the rim. He played nearly as many minutes at PF alongside Koufos & Cauley-Stein during the last couple of Sacramento seasons.

His game worked better playing like a big slasher-shooter-playmaker wing. Although he lacked vertical pop, he was surprisingly quick and hard to stay in front of with his long strides & bulk without fouling. Like a bigger, stronger, bully-ball version of KAT who shoots worse but is a better defender and can attack off-the-dribble better.

His last season in SAC was the best he ever played and a good representation of his talent in the modern context. He was nearly 50-50 playing C and PF. A true combo big.

- 27.8 ppg (30.7 per 75), 10.6 rpg, 4.8 apg (27.4 AST%), 1.4 spg, 1.3 bpg, 3.8 topg (13.2 TOV%)
- 56.2% TS (102 TS+), 35.6% 3PT (4.9 3pa/g), 77.0% FT (10.0 fta/g, 49.1% FTr)
- +7.2 BPM (5.6 off; 1.6 def)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFRZ8Fnmw-c&ab_channel=ZHHighlights


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5VsnOczem4&pp=ygUjZGVtYXJjdXMgY291c2lucyAyMDE2LTE3IGhpZ2hsaWd odHM%3D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxVdS24ZdSE&ab_channel=MoonEmily

Should you been slashing if you cant finish at the rim? I ve been told finishing at a high rate doesnt mean anything anyway even when you are elite at it

[Im Still Ballin]

Should you been slashing if you cant finish at the rim? I ve been told finishing at a high rate doesnt mean anything anyway even when you are elite at it

His finishing was relatively better in a slashing, dribble-drive context than in a more traditional rim-running, roll, cut, and putback sense. It spaced the floor and played to his strengths a bit more, leveraging his foul drawing, three-point shooting, and passing.

Second Spectrum Drives Tracking (2016-17):

- 8.9 drives/g, 6.2 points/g, 59.1% TS, 1.00 PPP, 1.21 PPP with passes (estimated)

He was 51.7% TS and 0.94 PPP on 4.2 poss/g as a PnR Roll Man in 2016-17, per Synergy Sports Tracking. He was 1.08 PPP as a shooter (spot-up, off-screen, hand-off) on 6.6 poss/g. Playing off the threat of his three-ball made him a more efficient scorer, effective playmaker, and beneficial floor spacer.

[Im Still Ballin]

DeMarcus did somewhat benefit from being arguably the best center during a lean period for the position. At his best, you'd have to rank him behind Jokic, Embiid (healthy), and Wemby. AD, also, if you consider him a C. He'd be borderline top 5, in that Rudy/KAT/Bam/Jaren/Bam tier.

4th at best with no AD @ center. 5th at best with AD @ center. Like what Mourning or Daugherty were to Shaq, Hakeem, Robinson, and Ewing.

[Xiao Yao You]

His finishing was relatively better in a slashing, dribble-drive context than in a more traditional rim-running, roll, cut, and putback sense. It spaced the floor and played to his strengths a bit more, leveraging his foul drawing, three-point shooting, and passing.

Second Spectrum Drives Tracking (2016-17):

- 8.9 drives/g, 6.2 points/g, 59.1% TS, 1.00 PPP, 1.21 PPP with passes (estimated)

He was 51.7% TS and 0.94 PPP on 4.2 poss/g as a PnR Roll Man in 2016-17, per Synergy Sports Tracking. He was 1.08 PPP as a shooter (spot-up, off-screen, hand-off) on 6.6 poss/g. Playing off the threat of his three-ball made him a more efficient scorer, effective playmaker, and beneficial floor spacer.

He was a 35% 3 point shooter. Hes not towns. He could rebound. A back up spotting up for 3s and rebounding.

[Xiao Yao You]

DeMarcus did somewhat benefit from being arguably the best center during a lean period for the position. At his best, you'd have to rank him behind Jokic, Embiid (healthy), and Wemby. AD, also, if you consider him a C. He'd be borderline top 5, in that Rudy/KAT/Bam/Jaren/Bam tier.

4th at best with no AD @ center. 5th at best with AD @ center. Like what Mourning or Daugherty were to Shaq, Hakeem, Robinson, and Ewing.

He was never better than any of those guys. Those guys help you win games. He destroyed his team. Gobert owned him. Hed get so frustrated playing against rudy. I do miss that! :lol

[GOBB]

Havent denied it. Yet sabonis 1st season they were 3rd in west. 46 wins the next and 40 this season after they traded one of their two best players. Big difference between that and being one of the worst teams in the league despite having supposedly one of the great players in the game. Cousins led a team with 3 20 point scorers to 28 wins.:lol

Haven’t denied it? Interesting. Hard to find much supporting that. I guess because you’re incredibly loud about Cousins and talk silently about the Kings franchise. Notice the team trending down with Sabonis? Blame cousins for that. Sabonis too.

[Xiao Yao You]

Haven’t denied it? Interesting. Hard to find much supporting that. I guess because you’re incredibly loud about Cousins and talk silently about the Kings franchise. Notice the team trending down with Sabonis? Blame cousins for that. Sabonis too.

Ive mentuoned the kings franchise provlems many times. Apparently his current francgise in puerto rico has similar issues. Demarcus certainlt cant be blamed. Guve the fuy a better franchise and he is an all time great! :cheers:

[Xiao Yao You]

Sabonis has issues. Would i want him on my team? Sure. Would i want cousins? Hell no! Tou are comparing mediocre to very good king teams to bad to very bad kings teams.

[GOBB]

Ive mentuoned the kings franchise provlems many times. Apparently his current francgise in puerto rico has similar issues. Demarcus certainlt cant be blamed. Guve the fuy a better franchise and he is an all time great! :cheers:

What? I never implied cousins was right in his actions in the incident. Nor did I blame the team or him being suspended/banned whatever the end result was. So why even make that a thing? That’s weird as hell. The only issue I mentioned down there was fans throwing stuff. That’s cowardly, it’s scumbag tactics. And fans like that need to be handled. I’m tired of it being overlooked, accepted, normalized. Especially when the player that gets stuff thrown isn’t liked. Fans get too many passes for acting like clowns. This is a perfect example of most people either justifying what they did or simply saying hey I don’t care for cousins/he brought it on himself *shrugs*”.

The other issue is I think cousin was a talented big man. He had skills. But I also know the situation he was in? A complete mess. It wasn’t a winning environment nor culture in Sac. And as of today? Still ain’t imo. Sabonis is next to be traded. Wasting his talent in a crappy organization. Who traded added Zach Lavine. A guy who doesn’t push the needle at all.

Does cousin deserve blame for his career? Certainly. Never said he was exempt from that. Just like I never said he was innocent in Puerto Rico. Like the fans and kings franchise? I’m merely highlighting what most fans either don’t talk about, don’t care or when folks are critical the energy doesn’t match. Notice how you went in on cousins and still do? That’s fine. That same energy isn’t matched for how terrible the kings franchise is. That’s all I’m saying. All this breakdown how cousins is a loser, inefficient etc but it’s mild chatter when we speak on how much of a dump Sacramento is. Sabonis won’t sniff the playoffs again there. Dog shyt franchise. Theres no winning culture there

And if Rudy gobert played there for 6-7 years you would be agreeing with everything im saying about that franchise.

[GOBB]

Sabonis has issues. Would i want him on my team? Sure. Would i want cousins? Hell no! Tou are comparing mediocre to very good king teams to bad to very bad kings teams.

What issues does Sabonis seem to have?

[Xiao Yao You]

What? I never implied cousins was right in his actions in the incident. Nor did I blame the team or him being suspended/banned whatever the end result was. So why even make that a thing? That’s weird as hell. The only issue I mentioned down there was fans throwing stuff. That’s cowardly, it’s scumbag tactics. And fans like that need to be handled. I’m tired of it being overlooked, accepted, normalized. Especially when the player that gets stuff thrown isn’t liked. Fans get too many passes for acting like clowns. This is a perfect example of most people either justifying what they did or simply saying hey I don’t care for cousins/he brought it on himself *shrugs*”.

The other issue is I think cousin was a talented big man. He had skills. But I also know the situation he was in? A complete mess. It wasn’t a winning environment nor culture in Sac. And as of today? Still ain’t imo. Sabonis is next to be traded. Wasting his talent in a crappy organization. Who traded added Zach Lavine. A guy who doesn’t push the needle at all.

Does cousin deserve blame for his career? Certainly. Never said he was exempt from that. Just like I never said he was innocent in Puerto Rico. Like the fans and kings franchise? I’m merely highlighting what most fans either don’t talk about, don’t care or when folks are critical the energy doesn’t match. Notice how you went in on cousins and still do? That’s fine. That same energy isn’t matched for how terrible the kings franchise is. That’s all I’m saying. All this breakdown how cousins is a loser, inefficient etc but it’s mild chatter when we speak on how much of a dump Sacramento is. Sabonis won’t sniff the playoffs again there. Dog shyt franchise. Theres no winning culture there

And if Rudy gobert played there for 6-7 years you would be agreeing with everything im saying about that franchise.

Probably would have an opinion on gobert of he had been withe kings. Not much doubt in my mind that he would have made them conpetitive as sabonis did. They make tgose around them better. While cousins is a shit show

[Xiao Yao You]

What issues does Sabonis seem to have?

A center that doesnt protect the rim for starters

[GOBB]

A center that doesnt protect the rim for starters

That’s it. I can’t think of anything else besides him not being an elite shot blocker at Center. He’s not someone who can anchor a defense. I wouldn’t say he’s a bad defender but he’s not a threat altering or making someone think twice at the rim.