BREAKING: Grizzlies Trade Bane to Magic

[Meticode]

Report: Grizz ship Bane to Magic for Caldwell-Pope, Anthony, 4 1st-round picks

https://thescore.com/nba/news/3300417

[Im Still Ballin]

Orlando got its shooter.

[1987_Lakers]

I like Bane, but that's a lot to give up.

Orlando seems desperate

Memphis rebuilding

[warriorfan]

Orlando got its shooter.

Feels like a slight overpay but sometimes you got to make a move. In an East that looks like a toss up I like it.

[Meticode]

I like Bane, but that's a lot to give up.

Sometimes you have to overpay to take the next step. They weren't going to get any better just running it back again.

[Meticode]

Suns are looking at the teams interested in Durant and are like, "Bane was worth 4 draft picks + 1, gimme gimme gimme."

[Chick Stern]

Bane must have screwed up royally to get exiled

[GOBB]

That Phx/Wash pick swap next draft hurts like hell. Sheesh.

[1987_Lakers]

Sometimes you have to overpay to take the next step. They weren't going to get any better just running it back again.

Maybe. Or you could end up like the Clippers when they gave away rookie SGA and a bunch of first round picks for Paul George.

[Meticode]

I'm curious how the lineup is going to look. Suggs and Bane play the same position.

[GOBB]

I'm curious how the lineup is going to look. Suggs and Bane play the same position.

You’re caught up in “positions” and not abilities. Bane is a great facilitator.

[Meticode]

You’re caught up in “positions” and not abilities. Bane is a great facilitator.

We'll see. Two small guard lineups don't work in today's NBA usually. Especially when one has t-rex arms. Hopefully Bane can find his form from two and three seasons ago. He regressed this past season.

[GOBB]

We'll see. Two small guard lineups don't work in today's NBA usually. Especially when one has t-rex arms. Hopefully Bane can find his form from two and three seasons ago. He regressed this past season.

Small? Both 6’5. How did it work in Memphis? How small is Minny?

I don’t think their size is an issue. I’m not too sold on Suggs tho

[Wally450]

Bane ain’t worth that much. :roll:

[warriorfan]

Sometimes you have to overpay to take the next step. They weren't going to get any better just running it back again.
Good post

Bane ain’t worth that much. :roll:
He’s not but now orlando is going to smoke you next season

[Meticode]

Small? Both 6’5. How did it work in Memphis? Minny?

Edwards makes up for it with his athleticism. It worked out so well for Memphis that they're trading one of those 6'5" guards. They might be listed at 6'5", but we all know they ain't 6'5".

[GOBB]

Edwards makes up for it with his athleticism. It worked out so well for Memphis that they're trading one of those 6'5" guards. They might be listed at 6'5", but we all know they ain't 6'5".

Small has nothing to do with athleticism tho. You tried to imply their a midget backcourt and they doesn’t work too well. Worked well for Minny. But becuase it did you want to use Anthony Edwards athleticism instead of saying “Ok that’s one team”. Then you try to spin it not working in Memphis because they traded Bane? When bane wasn’t traded becuase Memphis said “small backcourts don’t work man”. Like come on man.

[Meticode]

Small has nothing to do with athleticism tho. You tried to imply their a midget backcourt and they doesn’t work too well. Worked well for Minny. But becuase it did you want to use Anthony Edwards athleticism instead of saying “Ok that’s one team”. Then you try to spin it not working in Memphis because they traded Bane? When bane wasn’t traded becuase Memphis said “small backcourts don’t work man”. Like come on man.

Thanks for your input. I appreciate it.

[GOBB]

Thanks for your input. I appreciate it.

It’s ok you threw shyt against the wall and it didn’t stick. It happens.

[warriorfan]

Thanks for your input. I appreciate it.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Meticode]

It’s ok you threw shyt against the wall and it didn’t stick. It happens.

No, you're argumentative like you usually are and I just don't feel like dealing with it on a Sunday morning. Plus, it ain't that serious to me. Once the Finals are over I'll be gone anyway for another 10 months again and I won't need to deal with your Philly cheesesteak ass any longer.

Believe whatever the hell you want to believe. luv ya anyway

[GOBB]

No, you're argumentative like you usually are and I just don't feel like dealing with it on a Sunday morning. Plus, it ain't that serious to me. Once the Finals are over I'll be gone anyway for another 10 months again and I won't need to deal with your Philly cheesesteak ass any longer.

Believe whatever the hell you want to believe. luv ya anyway

No argumentative would be your reply implying Bane was traded because the small backcourt didn’t work out. He wasn’t traded becuase Memphis backcourt was small. You tried to be a smartass instead of just admitting “Ok maybe the backcourt isn’t that small as I once thought”, or “good point”. But no you think you lose something in your life by by changing your stance and agreeing with me. It’s weird.

Memphis with that small backcourt that didn’t work was trending up until Ja Morant derailed it. 50 win seasons and had fans thinking they were next up.

And I don’t care about your whereabouts after the finals. Didn’t ask you. Maybe you can start strength training and increasing your protein during that time span. Might help your confidence when you return to punch them letters submitting a post.

[GOBB]

No, you're argumentative like you usually are and I just don't feel like dealing with it on a Sunday morning. Plus, it ain't that serious to me. Once the Finals are over I'll be gone anyway for another 10 months again and I won't need to deal with your Philly cheesesteak ass any longer.

Believe whatever the hell you want to believe. luv ya anyway

No argumentative would be your reply implying Bane was traded because the small backcourt didn’t work out. He wasn’t traded becuase Memphis backcourt was small. You tried to be a smartass instead of just admitting “Ok maybe the backcourt isn’t that small as I once thought”, or “good point”. But no you think you lose something in your life by by changing your stance and agreeing with me. It’s weird.

Memphis with that small backcourt that didn’t work was trending up until Ja Morant derailed it. 50 win seasons and had fans thinking they were next up.

And I don’t care about your whereabouts after the finals. Didn’t ask you. Maybe you can start strength training and increasing your protein during that time span. Might help your confidence when you return to punch them letters submitting a post.

[Meticode]

No argumentative would be your reply implying Bane was traded because the small backcourt didn’t work out. He wasn’t traded becuase Memphis backcourt was small. You tried to be a smartass instead of just admitting “Ok maybe the backcourt isn’t that small as I once thought”, or “good point”. But no you think you lose something in your life by by changing your stance and agreeing with me. It’s weird.

Memphis with that small backcourt that didn’t work was trending up until Ja Morant derailed it. 50 win seasons and had fans thinking they were next up.

And I don’t care about your whereabouts after the finals. Didn’t ask you. Maybe you can start strength training and increasing your protein during that time span. Might help your confidence when you return to punch them letters submitting a post.

Didn't read...

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[1987_Lakers]

I can see why some people can say Bane is small even though he is 6 foot 5, dude has arms of a T-Rex.

[1987_Lakers]

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[Meticode]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fm-V4XWWQAAFmNy.jpg

This always makes me laugh because it makes you question if it's real or not when obviously it's fake.

[theballerFKA Ace]

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His standing reach is the same as Anthony Edwards and Tyler Herro. The average standing reach for a 6'5 NBA player is 8'5,8'6. So he's slightly below average. 6'5 Alex Caruso standing reach is 1.5" shorter than Bane and people almost never say he plays small. They can't all be Jalen Williams

[warriorfan]

His standing reach is the same as Anthony Edwards and Tyler Herro. The average standing reach for a 6'5 NBA player is 8'5,8'6. So he's slightly below average. 6'5 Alex Caruso standing reach is 1.5" shorter than Bane and people almost never say he plays small. They can't all be Jalen Williams

He gets hate because he is buffed and it makes his arms look shorter than they are. He still has short arms but he’s still 6 5 and athletic. He’s not prototype but he’s a good sized SG

[Real Men Wear Green]

A great way to build a good team that isn't good enough to make the Finals and never will be is trading a ton of draft picks for one good player. Respect Orlando but they need a lot more than a good shooting guard and by shipping out 4 firsts they just made sure they won't get it. Very much reminds me of the knicks trading five firsts for Mikal Bridges. Yes he's a good player but he's not going to replace the production you should be getting for all of those assets and its in fact unfair to expect him to.

[15yearmagicfan]

I think the magic had to do it and Memphis knew this and they took advantage of it. This should improve their team exponentially, and the fact that their draft picks the past few years besides Paulo have been either HR or straight crap Jett Howard will be out of the league soon. Anthony black has 3rd string PG written all over him. Bomba was a bust. Cole had flashes but way too inconsistent. KCP was straight up terrible, although I liked the signing at the time. His defense was solid but that not what they needed from him last year as he forgot how to shoot.

They had to gamble and they got their player. 4 picks is A LOT though. Time will tell if it was a good decision

[15yearmagicfan]

A great way to build a good team that isn't good enough to make the Finals and never will be is trading a ton of draft picks for one good player. Respect Orlando but they need a lot more than a good shooting guard and by shipping out 4 firsts they just made sure they won't get it. Very much reminds me of the knicks trading five firsts for Mikal Bridges. Yes he's a good player but he's not going to replace the production you should be getting for all of those assets and its in fact unfair to expect him to.


They had to do it. They need a couple 55 win seasons to right the franchise ship. Lots of rebuilding the past 20 years, it's been frustrating having potential as their rally cry.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I don't see why Orlando had to do this. The trade doesn't make them a contender and Banchero and Wagner are very young, plenty of time to continue building through the draft or just wait for a better trade. Bane averages 19 5 and 6. He's a good player. But he's not any kind of superstar that is going to make them better than the Pacers. He was the 30th pick in the draft, you have to get lucky to draft a guy as good as him that late but they just gave up 4 picks that will be earlier than 30th.

[theman93]

A great way to build a good team that isn't good enough to make the Finals and never will be is trading a ton of draft picks for one good player. Respect Orlando but they need a lot more than a good shooting guard and by shipping out 4 firsts they just made sure they won't get it. Very much reminds me of the knicks trading five firsts for Mikal Bridges. Yes he's a good player but he's not going to replace the production you should be getting for all of those assets and its in fact unfair to expect him to.

Indiana traded 3 firsts for Siakam and they’re in the Finals.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Indiana traded 3 firsts for Siakam and they’re in the Finals.
3 firsts for a 3-time Allstar vs 4 firsts for a 0-time Allstar. To be fair Siakam only made it twice at the time of trade but I still don't see the two deals as being similar in value.

[theman93]

I don't see why Orlando had to do this. The trade doesn't make them a contender and Banchero and Wagner are very young, plenty of time to continue building through the draft or just wait for a better trade. Bane averages 19 5 and 6. He's a good player. But he's not any kind of superstar that is going to make them better than the Pacers. He was the 30th pick in the draft, you have to get lucky to draft a guy as good as him that late but they just gave up 4 picks that will be earlier than 30th.

We had to because we’ve been one of the worst 3 point shooting teams the past few years. Indiana isn’t some world beater. Finally give Paolo and Franz some space to operate and I see no reason why we can’t compete for the East.

[theman93]

3 firsts for a 3-time Allstar vs 4 firsts for a 0-time Allstar. To be fair Siakam only made it twice at the time of trade but I still don't see the two deals as being similar in value.

Let’s be honest. Bane would have been an all-star if he was playing in the East like Siakam was lol

[theman93]

I think the magic had to do it and Memphis knew this and they took advantage of it. This should improve their team exponentially, and the fact that their draft picks the past few years besides Paulo have been either HR or straight crap Jett Howard will be out of the league soon. Anthony black has 3rd string PG written all over him. Bomba was a bust. Cole had flashes but way too inconsistent. KCP was straight up terrible, although I liked the signing at the time. His defense was solid but that not what they needed from him last year as he forgot how to shoot.

They had to gamble and they got their player. 4 picks is A LOT though. Time will tell if it was a good decision

Bingo. We still maintained a first round selection from the Gordon trade in this years draft, and kept our first round pick in the 2026 draft. So we won’t be going without a first round pick until 2028.

[Xiao Yao You]

Suns are looking at the teams interested in Durant and are like, "Bane was worth 4 draft picks + 1, gimme gimme gimme."

Durant is old though

[Meticode]

Durant is old though

Yep and he'll still get at least two years on an extension and he'll get at least $50 million/year if not more.

[Xiao Yao You]

I'm curious how the lineup is going to look. Suggs and Bane play the same position.

Suggs is a 1 and bane a 2 right?

[Meticode]

Suggs is a 1 and bane a 2 right?

Either or yes. Probably something like...

C: Carter Jr.
PF: Wagner
SF: Banchero
SG: Bane
PG: Suggs

[Xiao Yao You]

Yep and he'll still get at least two years on an extension and he'll get at least $50 million/year if not more.

Doesnt mean teams are lined up to give away 1sts and pay him though. Bane signed for 4 more years just when he should be peaking for less money.

[Real Men Wear Green]

We had to because we’ve been one of the worst 3 point shooting teams the past few years. Indiana isn’t some world beater. Finally give Paolo and Franz some space to operate and I see no reason why we can’t compete for the East.
Cleveland just won 64 games. Indiana started badly but including the playoffs are 52-21 over their last 73 games. Orlando is a play in team that just added one good shooter.

[Meticode]

Doesnt mean teams are lined up to give away 1sts and pay him though. Bane signed for 4 more years just when he should be peaking for less money.

Either way there's eight teams reportedly interested in him. If they weren't interested in drafting picks or paying him they wouldn't be interested, The Suns will get their picks. Durant will get his money.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Let’s be honest. Bane would have been an all-star if he was playing in the East like Siakam was lol Not playing 69, 42 and 58 game seasons. If he had great durability he would be a borderline case but so far he's struggled to stay on the court.

[Meticode]

Not playing 69, 42 and 58 game seasons. If he had great durability he would be a borderline case but so far he's struggled to stay on the court.

He plays like a borderline all-star when he's on the court. Similar to Garland. Plus it doesn't matter how many games you play in a full season. What matters is how much you play between the start of the season and all-star game. Either way he has trouble staying healthy. His best bet was a couple of seasons ago when he played 42 games, he played 37 prior to the all-star game and had 24/5/5 on 47/38/87 splits. Still wasn't on the court enough.

[theman93]

Cleveland just won 64 games. Indiana started badly but including the playoffs are 52-21 over their last 73 games. Orlando is a play in team that just added one good shooter.

Yeah like I said, not world beaters. And yeah play in team because our 3 best players missed a combined 105 games lol

[Real Men Wear Green]

Yeah like I said, not world beaters. And yeah play in team because our 3 best players missed a combined 105 games lol There are a lot of teams that would have been better off they didn't have injuries to key personnel. Guys getting hurt is just an unfortunate part of sports and adding another player with an injury history isn't going to fix that issue.

[GOBB]

Suggs is a 1 and bane a 2 right?

Yes, they don’t play the same position. Not sure why that was said. Is Suggs the traditional PG? No. Is he still developing as a playmaker? Yes. Does Bane add shooting/playmaking the team needs since it relies on Fran and Paolo to be playmakers? Yes. Does Orlando have anyone that can run the offense? On paper no but they are banking on playmakers by committee it seems while hoping Suggs shows improvement in that department. Who by the way is a helluva defensive guard.


Suggs at the 1
Bane at the 2
Wags at the 3
Paolo at the 4
Carter at the 5


That’s a nice 5 in spite of how much they gave up for Bane. Also expensive after checking salaries. Bench wise? Not sure. They still have a late first to maybe add something.

[Xiao Yao You]

Either way there's eight teams reportedly interested in him. If they weren't interested in drafting picks or paying him they wouldn't be interested, The Suns will get their picks. Durant will get his money.

He will get paid and suns will get something. Id imagine they want players more than picks. It will take more in contracts to match durant and he will have a say in where he goes which will affect what the suns get

[theman93]

There are a lot of teams that would have been better off they didn't have injuries to key personnel. Guys getting hurt is just an unfortunate part of sports and adding another player with an injury history isn't going to fix that issue.

Yeah but let’s not pretend like we weren’t hit with the injury bug to our best players worse than any other team this year. And by a mile. Arguing against that isn’t an argument in good faith.

[theman93]

Yes, they don’t play the same position. Not sure why that was said. Is Suggs the traditional PG? No. Is he still developing as a playmaker? Yes. Does Bane add shooting/playmaking the team needs since it relies on Fran and Paolo to be playmakers? Yes. Does Orlando have anyone that can run the offense? On paper no but they are banking on playmakers by committee it seems while hoping Suggs shows improvement in that department. Who by the way is a helluva defensive guard.


Suggs at the 1
Bane at the 2
Wags at the 3
Paolo at the 4
Carter at the 5


That’s a nice 5 in spite of how much they gave up for Bane. Also expensive after checking salaries. Bench wise? Not sure. They still have a late first to maybe add something.

Bench is comprised of Black and Da Silva who can play but are extremely young. Mo Wagner was a 6MOY candidate til his ACL popped so who knows how he’ll bounce back. Isaac regressed drastically this year. Rest of the bench is garbage. All in all, the bench isn’t very good. We’ll see what we add as the offseason goes on

[GOBB]

Bench is comprised of Black and Da Silva who can play but are extremely young. Mo Wagner was a 6MOY candidate til his ACL popped so who knows how he’ll bounce back. Isaac regressed drastically this year. Rest of the bench is garbage. All in all, the bench isn’t very good. We’ll see what we add as the offseason goes on

You’re a Magic fan? Cool you’d have a better pulse on the team than I would. Curious what you guys will add in the offseason. You also have that late first rd pick. Obviously banking on rookies can be a stretch but there’s some quality prospects in the range of that first. And that’s typically where rotational/role players can be found. Obviously duds as well but thinking positive you at least have the options of finding some talent. Like anyone?

[Real Men Wear Green]

Yeah but let’s not pretend like we weren’t hit with the injury bug to our best players worse than any other team this year. And by a mile. Arguing against that isn’t an argument in good faith.
Multiple teams had season-ending injuries to Allstars. They may not match the total number of missed games (although they also may, iI'm not going to bother counting) but losing a star in the playoffs is as bad as any number of missed games in the regular season. Regardless the winner of the woe-is-me Olympics doesn't matter. What's important is how good the season a team had is or is not.

[theman93]

You’re a Magic fan? Cool you’d have a better pulse on the team than I would. Curious what you guys will add in the offseason. You also have that late first rd pick. Obviously banking on rookies can be a stretch but there’s some quality prospects in the range of that first. And that’s typically where rotational/role players can be found. Obviously duds as well but thinking positive you at least have the options of finding some talent. Like anyone?

Well I’m not gonna pretend to be an expert on what FA’s are out there we can afford or what other trade scenario’s are possible, but imo our 3 biggest needs are 3 point shooting, playmaking off the bench, and a C. Obviously Bane is hopefully a large solution to the lack of 3 point shooting, but we need more spacing off the bench and Franz needs to fix that nasty hitch in his shot. I think the FO is going to bank on Black, Da Silva, or Jett taking a step as reserves, but that’s just a hunch. Regarding C, WCJr plays way too soft way too often (for my liking anyways) and he isn’t really a rim protector, Moe will be coming off an ACL so there’s a possibility we may not even re-sign him, and Goga wasn’t really impressive as the season rolled on even though we just signed him to a 3y-24m deal last offseason. Not sure if Brook Lopez would be affordable, but if so, adding him while offloading WCJr and/or Isaac to bolster other areas of weakness would be ideal to me. If not then the trio of WCJr/Moe/Goga is atleast serviceable.

Edit: Nevermind

[theman93]

Multiple teams had season-ending injuries to Allstars. They may not match the total number of missed games (although they also may, iI'm not going to bother counting) but losing a star in the playoffs is as bad as any number of missed games in the regular season. Regardless the winner of the woe-is-me Olympics doesn't matter. What's important is how good the season a team had is or is not.

Postseason injuries are irrelevant here. We're talking about an inordinate amount of injuries that occurred in the regular season that lead to Orlando being a play-in team. The only other team that even comes close is Dallas who's top 3 players of Kyrie/Doncic (replaced by AD)/Klay missed a combined 93 games. This also doesn't even include Moe who was a leading 6MOY candidate before tearing his ACL leading to him missing 52 games as well.

The issue here is you seem to be arguing Orlando is just a meddling play-in team while offering no context. Anybody arguing in good faith would recognize how large of a toll the injuries had on our win total.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Of course the playoffs are important. Jimmy Butler led a play in team to the Finals and that's why we don't remember that Heat team as being just a play in team. If a team is a serious factor they aren't going out 4-1 in the first round. Teams are remembered for winning playoff games and hopefully championships. The basketball world doesn't care about a team possibly winning 48 games but instead getting 41. It's just another 500. basketball team. All of them have fans that could tell you about how they would have been better is some negative thing that happened didn't happen. It happened.

[theman93]

Of course the playoffs are important. Jimmy Butler led a play in team to the Finals and that's why we don't remember that Heat team as being just a play in team. If a team is a serious factor they aren't going out 4-1 in the first round. Teams are remembered for winning playoff games and hopefully championships. The basketball world doesn't care about a team possibly winning 48 games but instead getting 41. It's just another 500. basketball team. All of them have fans that could tell you about how they would have been better is some negative thing that happened didn't happen. It happened.

And no one thought Dallas would be a factor in 2024 when they missed the playoffs in 2023. That’s a pretty bad argument. Players improve, additions are made, injuries can bite you less, etc. The writing is on the wall for Orlando to make a leap.

[HylianNightmare]

Not the move orlando

[Real Men Wear Green]

What does Dallas have to do with Orlando? That comparison makes no sense.

Saw on ESPN that the trade is actually Cole Anthony, KCP, and 5 first round picks or pick swaps.

[theman93]

I'm pointing out that just because a team was not a serious factor the year prior, does not mean they won't be a serious factor the following season. Dallas is the perfect example of that. Do you disagree?

[Real Men Wear Green]

I am pointing out the fact that almost no one leaps from the lottery to the Finals. In fact Dallas tanked deciding that a lottery pick was more valuable than being a play-in team. And that doesn't begin to touch on the fact we are talking about two completely different rosters. It's not relevant.

What is relevant is the fact that the Magic potentially gave up a Tom Thibodeau rotation for one player that has yet to make the allstar team. Bane is good I don't want to sound disrespectful of him but to be worth four first and a first round pick swap we should be talking about one of the best guards in the league. He could go out there, average a very consistent 20/5/5 for the next four years and help Orlando make playoff runs lasting between 6 and 10 games consistently. Problem is they could be that level of team without him. They gave up 5 or 6 potential rotation players, depending on how you look at it, along with two guys that have shown they are good enough to play some minutes in the NBA. The draft is part of how teams are infused with fresh talent, in fact its the main way. If you screw it up for a long period of time you potentially waste your franchise player's early years. They hit themselves with the Joe Smith penalty.

[theman93]

I am pointing out the fact that almost no one leaps from the lottery to the Finals. In fact Dallas tanked deciding that a lottery pick was more valuable than being a play-in team. And that doesn't begin to touch on the fact we are talking about two completely different rosters. It's not relevant.

What is relevant is the fact that the Magic potentially gave up a Tom Thibodeau rotation for one player that has yet to make the allstar team. Bane is good I don't want to sound disrespectful of him but to be worth four first and a first round pick swap we should be talking about one of the best guards in the league. He could go out there, average a very consistent 20/5/5 for the next four years and help Orlando make playoff runs lasting between 6 and 10 games consistently. Problem is they could be that level of team without him. They gave up 5 or 6 potential rotation players, depending on how you look at it, along with two guys that have shown they are good enough to play some minutes in the NBA. The draft is part of how teams are infused with fresh talent, in fact its the main way. If you screw it up for a long period of time you potentially waste your franchise player's early years. They hit themselves with the Joe Smith penalty.

Lol it's completely relevant, it just counters your argument. The same exact scenario happened to Phoenix in 2020/2021. The fact is mediocre teams can go on to compete for championships with the right roster construction and player development.

Regarding the trade specifically, Cole is a below average shooter and undersized defender who gets taken advantage of. Not much of a loss. KCP can play, but he had a horrendous year and Bane is a significant upgrade. Losing four 1st round picks isn't ideal, but considering these picks will mostly be in the 20's while also over the next 3 drafts still having Denver's 1st this year and our 2027 1st I'm not really worried about it. That's in addition to Black, Da Silva, and Howard who just finished either their rookie or sophomore campaigns. We have plenty of young talent to still develop.

[John8204]

They have Banchero on his rookie deal for one or two more seasons...so I guess it makes sense to go all in.

[ImKobe]

I am pointing out the fact that almost no one leaps from the lottery to the Finals. In fact Dallas tanked deciding that a lottery pick was more valuable than being a play-in team. And that doesn't begin to touch on the fact we are talking about two completely different rosters. It's not relevant.

What is relevant is the fact that the Magic potentially gave up a Tom Thibodeau rotation for one player that has yet to make the allstar team. Bane is good I don't want to sound disrespectful of him but to be worth four first and a first round pick swap we should be talking about one of the best guards in the league. He could go out there, average a very consistent 20/5/5 for the next four years and help Orlando make playoff runs lasting between 6 and 10 games consistently. Problem is they could be that level of team without him. They gave up 5 or 6 potential rotation players, depending on how you look at it, along with two guys that have shown they are good enough to play some minutes in the NBA. The draft is part of how teams are infused with fresh talent, in fact its the main way. If you screw it up for a long period of time you potentially waste your franchise player's early years. They hit themselves with the Joe Smith penalty.

And Thibs hasn't been close to winning a title since he was an assistant in Boston. He's 48-55 in the Playoffs as HC.

Magic still has a great defense and now they've addressed their biggest need. Those 5-6 potential rotation players are not really worth keeping when you already have a talented young cast and are close to being a contender in the East.

Magic didn't want to be another EC team that's great on defense and below-average on offense. Bane makes a lot of sense for them and he has a team-friendly contract as an all-star caliber SG.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Lol it's completely relevant, it just counters your argument. The same exact scenario happened to Phoenix in 2020/2021. The fact is mediocre teams can go on to compete for championships with the right roster construction and player development.

Regarding the trade specifically, Cole is a below average shooter and undersized defender who gets taken advantage of. Not much of a loss. KCP can play, but he had a horrendous year and Bane is a significant upgrade. Losing four 1st round picks isn't ideal, but considering these picks will mostly be in the 20's while also over the next 3 drafts still having Denver's 1st this year and our 2027 1st I'm not really worried about it. That's in addition to Black, Da Silva, and Howard who just finished either their rookie or sophomore campaigns. We have plenty of young talent to still develop. There is no relevance. Neither Dallas nor Phoenix have anything to do with Orlando. So you have any idea how many more .500 teams go on to never make a conference Final? Your examples have nothing to do with anything.

[Real Men Wear Green]

And Thibs hasn't been close to winning a title since he was an assistant in Boston. He's 48-55 in the Playoffs as HC. No idea why you brought this up.


Magic still has a great defense and now they've addressed their biggest need. Those 5-6 potential rotation players are not really worth keeping when you already have a talented young cast and are close to being a contender in the East.
If you have a good front office you will get some good players out of 5 first round picks. You miss on all five first rounders your GM needs to be replaced.

Magic didn't want to be another EC team that's great on defense and below-average on offense. Bane makes a lot of sense for them and he has a team-friendly contract as an all-star caliber SG. Bane makes sense for 2 or 3 picks. 5 picks should be getting you a star. Overpaying for talent is never a good idea.

[999Guy]

This trade is only as good as the draft picks Memphis got.

KCP is past prime and Anthony is average.

Orlando is immediately better.

JJJ should go without question if they’re making big moves. Hideously overpaid and barely above average. Bane’s been better his entire career.

Make no mistake, Memphis just traded it’s longtime second best player.

[Meticode]

Orlando is just trying to copy what the Knicks did the previous season with Mikal Bridges. They they traded for bridges they gave up:

Bojan Bogdanovic
Mamadi Diakite
Shake Milton
unprotected 1st-round pick in 2025
unprotected 1st-round pick in 2027
unprotected 1st-round pick in 2029
unprotected 1st-round pick in 2031
unprotected pick swap in 2028
top-four protected 2025 1st-round pick via Bucks
2nd round pick in 2025

[ralph_i_el]

We'll see. Two small guard lineups don't work in today's NBA usually. Especially when one has t-rex arms. Hopefully Bane can find his form from two and three seasons ago. He regressed this past season.

Suggs is a small guard?

[theman93]

There is no relevance. Neither Dallas nor Phoenix have anything to do with Orlando. So you have any idea how many more .500 teams go on to never make a conference Final? Your examples have nothing to do with anything.

That’s not what I’m arguing. I’m paralleling similar situations which Orlando is trying to emulate. I get it you don’t like giving up that many assets, but Cole and KCP had negative trade value and we still have four 1st rounders over the next 7 years. That’s fine by me to upgrade our biggest weakness that’s been a black eye on this franchise for years.

[Chick Stern]

That’s not what I’m arguing. I’m paralleling similar situations which Orlando is trying to emulate. I get it you don’t like giving up that many assets, but Cole and KCP had negative trade value and we still have four 1st rounders over the next 7 years. That’s fine by me to upgrade our biggest weakness that’s been a black eye on this franchise for years.

:yaohappy::yaohappy::yaohappy:

[Meticode]

Suggs is a small guard?

Tinny tiny.

[Axe]

We had to because we’ve been one of the worst 3 point shooting teams the past few years. Indiana isn’t some world beater. Finally give Paolo and Franz some space to operate and I see no reason why we can’t compete for the East.
They ain't winning shit lmao. At least not in the next few years.

[warriorfan]

RMWG is having a meltdown because his tatum got f.ucked and now magic are legit better than Boston.


:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Real Men Wear Green]

The obsession with me isn't as unhealthy as the freak addiction but it's still unhealthy. I would tell you to go outside and maybe you could make a friend but I would be lying.

[Meticode]

The obsession with me isn't as unhealthy as the freak addiction but it's still unhealthy. I would tell you to go outside and maybe you could make a friend but I would be lying.

What are you thinking happens for the Celtics this offseason in reference to them cutting salary? What are you hoping for?

[Real Men Wear Green]

What
q¹q 1¹are you thinking happens for the Celtics this offseason in reference to them cutting salary? What are you hoping for?It's not what I want but the combination of missed games, salary, and in Holiday's case, age, make me think that Stevens is going to move Porzingis and Holiday. This is all of course forced by the second apron and further forced by Tatum's injury. I can't blame the new ownership at all for not wanting to pay half a billion for 45 to 50 wins. With Tatum out for a year unless some team is willing to give up a replacement star for Tatum (not likely) a miniature rebuild is in order. Give JB a 50 game season to keep him healthy and see if they can get a lottery pick. Then after a year under the bleeping apron with a lottery pick and some more picks from moving Porzingis and Holiday pray Tatum comes back strong and see what they can do.

[coin24]

Porzingod has aids anyway and the Cs were going to get crushed by the no offense playing Knicks.. window closed.

Huge overpay from the magic but Bane can hit the 3 and he’s better than the scrubs kcpoop and bench warmer cole.. who knows that the picks would have been. Unless they’re top 3 prob not even that valuable anyway.
Magic don’t have a bad squad now, just need a few small pieces

[ImKobe]

No idea why you brought this up.

If you have a good front office you will get some good players out of 5 first round picks. You miss on all five first rounders your GM needs to be replaced.
Bane makes sense for 2 or 3 picks. 5 picks should be getting you a star. Overpaying for talent is never a good idea.

And which star are you getting that makes sense for Orlando and fits their time window and is available at 40 million? Bane's probably an all-star level player in the East and he's been the 3rd best at catch & shoot 3s since he's entered the league which is exactly what the Magic needed, and he's in the middle of his prime.

Also they didn't just get Bane, they got rid of KCP's horrible ass contract which you'd probably need to spend a pick on to get rid of anyway.

[Real Men Wear Green]

They sent out 5 first round picks. They could use all of them on shooters off they wanted to and none of them would have to be paid 40 million. But if they're willing to pay 40 mil per and give up 5 picks I suspect they could have found a way to get a real allstar and not just a guy you incorrectly assume is better than an EC allstar.

[ImKobe]

They sent out 5 first round picks. They could use all of them on shooters off they wanted to and none of them would have to be paid 40 million. But if they're willing to pay 40 mil per and give up 5 picks I suspect they could have found a way to get a real allstar and not just a guy you incorrectly assume is better than an EC allstar.

Which players?

[Real Men Wear Green]

Which players?
The deal is bad enough to say that they would be better off long- term with the 5 picks but if you are going to deal 4 firsts plus one pick swap you should be talking about an allstar. You should be talking to Phoenix about what/who they want back for Devin Booker, seeing if the Celtics would part with Jaylen Brown, dealing with a higher level of player entirely.

Orlando should absolutely be better next season but trades should be thought about more deeply than whether or not they give you an immediate boost, especially if your team was not close to the championship level before and won't be now either. As Wagner and Banchero go for maxes or even supermaxes (in fact Banchero should not settle for less than supermax from a fiscal perspective) while other players also have to be paid on top of Bane who has 200 mil coming they will have no way of improving their roster, neither cap flexibility nor draft picks. They will stagnate as the 3rd to 5th best team in the East every year and that's if they don't suffer major injuries to their top players. If they do have an unlucky year where a star gets hurt they don't get the pick that would be the silver lining.

They have a solid shot at the second round now but that still could have been the case letting the core stars mature. Overpaying for a guy that isn't a star is something you should only do if you were already contending and he is the missing piece. A team like Cleveland could consider something like that for a guy that they view as the perfect fit. They're win-now. Orlando on the other hand had stars that are 22 and 23. No need to microwave dinner.

[Chick Stern]

The deal is bad enough to say that they would be better off long- term with the 5 picks but if you are going to deal 4 firsts plus one pick swap you should be talking about an allstar. You should be talking to Phoenix about what/who they want back for Devin Booker, seeing if the Celtics would part with Jaylen Brown, dealing with a higher level of player entirely.

Orlando should absolutely be better next season but trades should be thought about more deeply than whether or not they give you an immediate boost, especially if your team was not close to the championship level before and won't be now either. As Wagner and Banchero go for maxes or even supermaxes (in fact Banchero should not settle for less than supermax from a fiscal perspective) while other players also have to be paid on top of Bane who has 200 mil coming they will have no way of improving their roster, neither cap flexibility nor draft picks. They will stagnate as the 3rd to 5th best team in the East every year and that's if they don't suffer major injuries to their top players. If they do have an unlucky year where a star gets hurt they don't get the pick that would be the silver lining.

They have a solid shot at the second round now but that still could have been the case letting the core stars mature. Overpaying for a guy that isn't a star is something you should only do if you were already contending and he is the missing piece. A team like Cleveland could consider something like that for a guy that they view as the perfect fit. They're win-now. Orlando on the other hand had stars that are 22 and 23. No need to microwave dinner.

While I don’t think it’s a great deal, Bane is relatively young and a great 3 shooter. FA’s aren’t clamoring to go the swamp, so they had to overpay.
On the flip side, nobody is clamoring for the Celts aging, overpaid, oft injured assets, and the apron means they ain’t getting any FAs.

[Real Men Wear Green]

While I don’t think it’s a great deal, Bane is relatively young and a great 3 shooter. FA’s aren’t clamoring to go the swamp, so they had to overpay.
On the flip side, nobody is clamoring for the Celts aging, overpaid, oft injured assets, and the apron means they ain’t getting any FAs.
I'm not sure what the Celtics have to do with this but who the Celtics can or can't get remains to be seen. Rushing into a deal isn't needed and can lead to mistakes like the one Orlando just made.

[theman93]

The deal is bad enough to say that they would be better off long- term with the 5 picks but if you are going to deal 4 firsts plus one pick swap you should be talking about an allstar. You should be talking to Phoenix about what/who they want back for Devin Booker, seeing if the Celtics would part with Jaylen Brown, dealing with a higher level of player entirely.

Orlando should absolutely be better next season but trades should be thought about more deeply than whether or not they give you an immediate boost, especially if your team was not close to the championship level before and won't be now either. As Wagner and Banchero go for maxes or even supermaxes (in fact Banchero should not settle for less than supermax from a fiscal perspective) while other players also have to be paid on top of Bane who has 200 mil coming they will have no way of improving their roster, neither cap flexibility nor draft picks. They will stagnate as the 3rd to 5th best team in the East every year and that's if they don't suffer major injuries to their top players. If they do have an unlucky year where a star gets hurt they don't get the pick that would be the silver lining.

They have a solid shot at the second round now but that still could have been the case letting the core stars mature. Overpaying for a guy that isn't a star is something you should only do if you were already contending and he is the missing piece. A team like Cleveland could consider something like that for a guy that they view as the perfect fit. They're win-now. Orlando on the other hand had stars that are 22 and 23. No need to microwave dinner.

Bane not being an all-star is way overblown lol. Guys like Vanvleet, Herro, Lavine, Galrand, and Jrue have been all-stars in the East over the last few years. He's in that tier if not flat out better than some of those guys. But more importantly, he fits what we need more than any of those guys sans possibly Garland.

The no future draft picks is also just not true. We have 3 1st rounders over the next 5 years. Which is perfectly fine considering the young prospects who still need developed on the roster now in Black, Da Silva, Howard, and Houstan.

We're going in to year 5 of this rebuild and in that time frame Weltman hasn't made a trade until now. In fact, how conservative he's been has been an ongoing joke among Orlando fans. Calling this a microwave move is nothing short of hyperbolic or atleast ignorant to the situation. There's still existing young talent to develop, 1st rounders will still be coming through the pipeline, and our biggest need was addressed with one of the bests fits possible.

[theman93]

They sent out 5 first round picks. They could use all of them on shooters off they wanted to and none of them would have to be paid 40 million. But if they're willing to pay 40 mil per and give up 5 picks I suspect they could have found a way to get a real allstar and not just a guy you incorrectly assume is better than an EC allstar.

You're assuming those picks will even hit. Bane is a proven commodity who helps the team win both now and in the future.

[ImKobe]

The deal is bad enough to say that they would be better off long- term with the 5 picks but if you are going to deal 4 firsts plus one pick swap you should be talking about an allstar. You should be talking to Phoenix about what/who they want back for Devin Booker, seeing if the Celtics would part with Jaylen Brown, dealing with a higher level of player entirely.

Orlando should absolutely be better next season but trades should be thought about more deeply than whether or not they give you an immediate boost, especially if your team was not close to the championship level before and won't be now either. As Wagner and Banchero go for maxes or even supermaxes (in fact Banchero should not settle for less than supermax from a fiscal perspective) while other players also have to be paid on top of Bane who has 200 mil coming they will have no way of improving their roster, neither cap flexibility nor draft picks. They will stagnate as the 3rd to 5th best team in the East every year and that's if they don't suffer major injuries to their top players. If they do have an unlucky year where a star gets hurt they don't get the pick that would be the silver lining.

They have a solid shot at the second round now but that still could have been the case letting the core stars mature. Overpaying for a guy that isn't a star is something you should only do if you were already contending and he is the missing piece. A team like Cleveland could consider something like that for a guy that they view as the perfect fit. They're win-now. Orlando on the other hand had stars that are 22 and 23. No need to microwave dinner.

Ehh I don't really see how Booker makes sense for Orlando since you talk about potential cap problems in your post. At least with Banchero-Wagner-Bane it's only like a combined 120 million of the cap in 2027 for those 3. They can afford to keep their best players and avoid the 2nd apron. Suggs' yearly salary goes down after 2027 so this makes sense for them.

The East is wide open right now. This type of a move is what you'd expect from a franchise like the Magic who have never been a destination for stars. A couple role players wasn't going to cut it. Bane's contract as a 3rd guy isn't that bad given the cap raise in the coming years.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Bane not being an all-star is way overblown lol. Guys like Vanvleet, Herro, Lavine, Galrand, and Jrue have been all-stars in the East over the last few years. He's in that tier if not flat out better than some of those guys. But more importantly, he fits what we need more than any of those guys sans possibly Garland. Bane isn't as valuable as prime Jrue Holiday. He may well be more valuable than Lavine when healthy but his borderline status combined with his rough injury history mean he's not worth 5 picks.


The no future draft picks is also just not true. We have 3 1st rounders over the next 5 years. Which is perfectly fine considering the young prospects who still need developed on the roster now in Black, Da Silva, Howard, and Houstan. You act like having other players mean the picks are of no value. Makes no sense.


We're going in to year 5 of this rebuild and in that time frame Weltman hasn't made a trade until now. In fact, how conservative he's been has been an ongoing joke among Orlando fans. Calling this a microwave move is nothing short of hyperbolic or atleast ignorant to the situation. There's still existing young talent to develop, 1st rounders will still be coming through the pipeline, and our biggest need was addressed with one of the bests fits possible. You feeling impatient doesn't make this a good move.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Ehh I don't really see how Booker makes sense for Orlando since you talk about potential cap problems in your post. At least with Banchero-Wagner-Bane it's only like a combined 120 million of the cap in 2027 for those 3. They can afford to keep their best players and avoid the 2nd apron. Suggs' yearly salary goes down after 2027 so this makes sense for them. You need me to point out that Booker is a higher level of player than Bane?

[GOBB]

Gilbert arenas on his podcast said he can confirm Orlando offered the firsts with no protection. Memphis didn’t ask. I don’t know if it’s true or not. But let’s say that is the case? Now that I think is terrible.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Gilbert arenas on his podcast said he can confirm Orlando offered the firsts with no protection. Memphis didn’t ask. I don’t know if it’s true or not. But let’s say that is the case? Now that I think is terrible.
Someone in their front office must think he was being held back in Memphis. To me that looks awful but these kinds of deals just need one strong opinion to happen if they have the authority.

[theman93]

Gilbert arenas on his podcast said he can confirm Orlando offered the firsts with no protection. Memphis didn’t ask. I don’t know if it’s true or not. But let’s say that is the case? Now that I think is terrible.

I’d take anything he says about Orlando with a massive grain of salt lol he slams us any chance he gets…. ie not taking Bates #6 overall in 2023

[Real Men Wear Green]

He may have made up Memphis not requestor the picks be unprotected but if the picks aren't protected it makes the trade worse regardless.

[GOBB]

I’d take anything he says about Orlando with a massive grain of salt lol he slams us any chance he gets…. ie not taking Bates #6 overall in 2023

He definately hates Orlando. Lol

[theman93]

Bane isn't as valuable as prime Jrue Holiday. He may well be more valuable than Lavine when healthy but his borderline status combined with his rough injury history mean he's not worth 5 picks.

You act like having other players mean the picks are of no value. Makes no sense.

You feeling impatient doesn't make this a good move.

Even if you want to categorize Jrue as better it’s not much of a distinguishable gap by any metric they just have different specialties. Regardless, he’s an all-star caliber player in the East. The injury thing is also kind of overblown. Since he became a starter he’s played nearly 75% of games and been available every playoff series.

And I’m not acting like the picks don’t have value at all. I’m saying we can take the blow of losing those picks because we still have multiple first round picks in the future, existing young prospects developing, while also adding one of the game’s elite shooters on top of it. It’s not like we’ve completely mortgaged the future lol.

[warriorfan]

East is pretty open for the taking right now and Orlando needed shooting. Bane is a great fit for their squad. The outgoing KCP contract wasn’t great. It’s a slight overpay but they didn’t break the bank.

Anyone framing this as a terrible move doesn’t know basketball.

[Meticode]

East is pretty open for the taking right now.

This is 100% correct. With the Celtics missing Tatum the whole year probably and they're going to let one or two players walk they're not going to be the same. The Cavs underachieved for the second straight year and haven't made any progress since Mitchell joined the team. They perform great in the regular season, but once the playoffs start and the physicality increases they crumble. Orlando will probably be better. They had a positive season even though they were missing Banchero for half the season. They got hit with the injury bug more than any team in the league and still managed to make the playoffs. Hopefully they can stay healthy including Bane who has been injury prone in his career.

So far the only teams that have been consistent on a high level performing or doing better the last two seasons is the Knicks and Pacers. Wide open.

In the West? We're pretty much banking on the Thunder probably being the top dog again. Nuggets will be up there again. Maybe the Wolves. Durant going to the Rockets might turn the tide because they severely missed scoring in the playoffs. Spurs might be dangerous if Durant goes there and Wemby stays healthy... Wemby, Durant and Fox on the same team?

[John8204]

Something for people to keep in mind

Banchero (22)
F. Wagner (23)
Suggs (23)
Bane (26)
M. Wagner (28)

Why would you look at the draft when you have such a young team, if you draft a star you won't be able to pay to keep them or you'd have to dump one of the four guys you are already paying.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Even if you want to categorize Jrue as better it’s not much of a distinguishable gap by any metric they just have different specialties. Regardless, he’s an all-star caliber player in the East. The injury thing is also kind of overblown. Since he became a starter he’s played nearly 75% of games and been available every playoff series.

And I’m not acting like the picks don’t have value at all. I’m saying we can take the blow of losing those picks because we still have multiple first round picks in the future, existing young prospects developing, while also adding one of the game’s elite shooters on top of it. It’s not like we’ve completely mortgaged the future lol. At his peak Jrue Holiday was in the argument for top perimeter defender in the league while putting up a similar level of offensive production. I don't know much about Bane as a defender but I've never heard anyone speak of him like that.

Having a few picks left over does not change the fact that the picks are valuable either.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Something for people to keep in mind

Banchero (22)
F. Wagner (23)
Suggs (23)
Bane (26)
M. Wagner (28)

Why would you look at the draft when you have such a young team, if you draft a star you won't be able to pay to keep them or you'd have to dump one of the four guys you are already paying.
If you're worried about that then you shouldn't be trading for Bane's 200 mil to begin with. And it's a bit nuts to say that a .500 team has all the talent it needs after acquiring one good player.

[NBAGOAT]

If you're worried about that then you shouldn't be trading for Bane's 200 mil to begin with. And it's a bit nuts to say that a .500 team has all the talent it needs after acquiring one good player.

paolo and suggs were injured last year. they're not a title team but they're a favorite for a top 4 seed for sure and talent wise they're on the lvl of any east team. An upgrade at center(watch for porzingis) and they're a finals team. Its for sure an overpay but bane is better than bridges fills their holes and doesnt hurt their defense like someone like simons or monk wouldve and has all star potential. You have paolo, franz and suggs entering their primes, its time to go for it

[NBAGOAT]

Ehh I don't really see how Booker makes sense for Orlando since you talk about potential cap problems in your post. At least with Banchero-Wagner-Bane it's only like a combined 120 million of the cap in 2027 for those 3. They can afford to keep their best players and avoid the 2nd apron. Suggs' yearly salary goes down after 2027 so this makes sense for them.

The East is wide open right now. This type of a move is what you'd expect from a franchise like the Magic who have never been a destination for stars. A couple role players wasn't going to cut it. Bane's contract as a 3rd guy isn't that bad given the cap raise in the coming years.

booker is irrelevant since hes not available. The best guard available this offseason is likely immanuel quickley who wouldve been good but hes worse than bane. bane has a significantly higher chance of being an all star


It's not what I want but the combination of missed games, salary, and in Holiday's case, age, make me think that Stevens is going to move Porzingis and Holiday. This is all of course forced by the second apron and further forced by Tatum's injury. I can't blame the new ownership at all for not wanting to pay half a billion for 45 to 50 wins. With Tatum out for a year unless some team is willing to give up a replacement star for Tatum (not likely) a miniature rebuild is in order. Give JB a 50 game season to keep him healthy and see if they can get a lottery pick. Then after a year under the bleeping apron with a lottery pick and some more picks from moving Porzingis and Holiday pray Tatum comes back strong and see what they can do.

last year you said why would i worry about the 2nd apron when im not the one paying it. The owners wont break up a title core. You were half right wyc snap sold the team after the title so he wouldnt get the blame. Lot of guys warned you about brown and hausers deal and you dismissed it. one underrated factor about the bane deal is like imkobe said they have their core while avoiding the 2nd apron. You blow that out the window with a true star max guy. Paolo and franz are orlandos cornerstones, they dont need a true star for their 3rd guy.

[Real Men Wear Green]

paolo and suggs were injured last year. they're not a title team but they're a favorite for a top 4 seed for sure and talent wise they're on the lvl of any east team. An upgrade at center(watch for porzingis) and they're a finals team. Its for sure an overpay but bane is better than bridges fills their holes and doesnt hurt their defense like someone like simons or monk wouldve and has all star potential. You have paolo, franz and suggs entering their primes, its time to go for it And they may make the second round. Not worth 5 first round picks.

[Real Men Wear Green]

booker is irrelevant since hes not available. The best guard available this offseason is likely immanuel quickley who wouldve been good but hes worse than bane. bane has a significantly higher chance of being an all starYou seriously believe that the best guard that will change teams this summer is Immanuel Quickley?




last year you said why would i worry about the 2nd apron when im not the one paying it. The owners wont break up a title core. You were half right wyc snap sold the team after the title so he wouldnt get the blame. Lot of guys warned you about brown and hausers deal and you dismissed it. one underrated factor about the bane deal is like imkobe said they have their core while avoiding the 2nd apron. You blow that out the window with a true star max guy. Paolo and franz are orlandos cornerstones, they dont need a true star for their 3rd guy.So a ;ittle thing happened since that last post...what was it...oh, now I remember, the guy that led thev Celtics in points, rebounds and assists tore his achilles. If you turn Tatum into dead cap space then of course the Celtics are going to have to go into money-saving mode. But last year the goal was to go for a championship. The Celtic moves were already validated when they won it all in 2024. Bringing up a dead argument that you already lost in a different topic. Why?

[NBAGOAT]

You seriously believe that the best guard that will change teams this summer is Immanuel Quickley?



So a ;ittle thing happened since that last post...what was it...oh, now I remember, the guy that led thev Celtics in points, rebounds and assists tore his achilles. If you turn Tatum into dead cap space then of course the Celtics are going to have to go into money-saving mode. But last year the goal was to go for a championship. The Celtic moves were already validated when they won it all in 2024. Bringing up a dead argument that you already lost in a different topic. Why?

Yes the only other rumor is garland and I don’t think Cleveland is moving. Name the better guards than quickley youre so sure are moving.

The Tatum stuff is a good excuse but not enough. The rumors were the Celtics were getting rid of porzingis and Jrue if they didn’t win a title. Wyc also sold the team right after a title much before Tatums injury. If you can’t even beat a flawed Knicks team you’re not running it back with same roster. One title does save you from a lot of criticism no it doesn’t validate every move. You really believe the nuggets didn’t overpay porter jr lol? You saying you won an argument doesn’t mean you did. I brought up the dead argument because you reminded me with the Celtics argument and it’s one of the more recent arguments I had on here. I’m not on here that much like you mods or the trolls.

Dw your bad arguments aren’t the only ones I’m going call out. Kblaze is going have to go to court and defend himself over his Beal isn’t a bad contract takes :lol

[theman93]

At his peak Jrue Holiday was in the argument for top perimeter defender in the league while putting up a similar level of offensive production. I don't know much about Bane as a defender but I've never heard anyone speak of him like that.

Having a few picks left over does not change the fact that the picks are valuable either.

Bane has always been a B defender. It doesn’t really matter though, their nearly the same tier of player.

And who said those picks don’t hold value? You’re making up arguments no one has made.

[theman93]

And they may make the second round. Not worth 5 first round picks.

So over the next 4 years Paolo, Franz, Suggs, and Bane are locked up, the second round is the ceiling? Is that the argument?

[Real Men Wear Green]

Yes the only other rumor is garland and I don’t think Cleveland is moving. Name the better guards than quickley youre so sure are moving. How often do you have an offseason where no player better than Quickly changes teams? I'm going to guess the answer is "never."


The Tatum stuff is a good excuse but not enough. This is ridiculous. What team in NBA history would not change their plans if their max money franchise player got hurt?
The rumors were the Celtics were getting rid of porzingis and Jrue if they didn’t win a title. Wyc also sold the team right after a title much before Tatums injury. If you can’t even beat a flawed Knicks team you’re not running it back with same roster. One title does save you from a lot of criticism no it doesn’t validate every move. You really believe the nuggets didn’t overpay porter jr lol? You saying you won an argument doesn’t mean you did. I brought up the dead argument because you reminded me with the Celtics argument and it’s one of the more recent arguments I had on here. I’m not on here that much like you mods or the trolls Your argument was terrible and you lost it when the Celtics won a championship.


Dw your bad arguments aren’t the only ones I’m going call out. Kblaze is going have to go to court and defend himself over his Beal isn’t a bad contract takes :lol If it's more of the same he doesn't have much to worry about.

[NBAGOAT]

How often do you have an offseason where no player better than Quickly changes teams? I'm going to guess the answer is "never."

This is ridiculous. What team in NBA history would not change their plans if their max money franchise player got hurt? Your argument was terrible and you lost it when the Celtics won a championship.

If it's more of the same he doesn't have much to worry about.

I said guard. Obviously better players will move this offseason.

Many teams just waste a year if their star gets injured but besides the point. It’s verifiable rumors that the Celtics were going makes trades before Tatums injury once it was obvious that they were losing to Knicks. I can ask a similar question what team does nothing after losing in the 2nd round lol. Your assumption that the Celtics do nothing if Tatum doesn’t get injured is ridiculous.

Again answer the simple question is Michael porter jr overpaid? A title doesn’t make every move good no title doesn’t make every trade bad. I’m happy to admit when I’m actually wrong you’re too arrogant to ever do that. I thought siakam wasn’t a championship 2nd option and didn’t think it was a great trade. He proved me wrong and has been a perfect fit for Indiana, Toronto’s system held him back. You also don’t need to defend your fellow mod. You both know beals contract is a disaster for Phoenix.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Bane has always been a B defender. It doesn’t really matter though, their nearly the same tier of player.

And who said those picks don’t hold value? You’re making up arguments no one has made. If their offense is on the same level while Holiday was one of the best defenders in the game how are they on the same tier?

[Real Men Wear Green]

So over the next 4 years Paolo, Franz, Suggs, and Bane are locked up, the second round is the ceiling? Is that the argument?A level they would have been close to without sacrificing 5 first round picks. I'm not saying they didn't get better, I'm saying they overpaid and long term that hurts their potential.

[NBAGOAT]

If their offense is on the same level while Holiday was one of the best defenders in the game how are they on the same tier?

Their offense isn’t the same lvl, banes an elite shooter and that makes his offense better. Bane was a 2-3 in offensive epm in his prime. Jrue was a 1-2 in his pelicans years. Jrues a better player sure but both were borderline all stars in their prime so same tier isn’t ridiculous

[Real Men Wear Green]

I said guard. Obviously better players will move this offseason. Sub in the word guard and you still will always have better players getting moved

Many teams just waste a year if their star gets injured but besides the point. It’s verifiable rumors that the Celtics were going makes trades before Tatums injury once it was obvious that they were losing to Knicks. "Verifiable rumors" is an inherently stupid phrase. Of course there world be changes made sooner or later. But what those changes would be are vastly different for a team that has an AllNBA player and a borderline AllNBA player to build around vs a team with a borderline AllNBA player (JB had made it before and could again if he had good health for a season) and an injured player with the supermax who they can't be sure will return at his previous level. If Tatum is healthy you consider keeping more talent or at least are willing to trade for bigger contracts back than you would knowing you have no shot at the championship next year and just want to save some money.
I can ask a similar question what team does nothing after losing in the 2nd round lol. Your assumption that the Celtics do nothing if Tatum doesn’t get injured is ridiculous. When did I ever say that? You can't argue with the voices in your head. But they're is an important point not being addressed...


Again answer the simple question is Michael porter jr overpaid? Our original argument was about Jaylen Brown. You comparing him to MPJ is insane.
A title doesn’t make every move good no title doesn’t make every trade bad. A title justifies a team's general approach. Giving JB the supermax was an extremely important decision and the original point you seem to have forgotten that you were arguing about. When the Celtics won the championship it was the ultimate justification of what they were doing. Explain to me how anyone involved with the Celtics lost our. JB obviously got paid. Team won a championship. Grousbeck family made 6 billion dollars. But it was a bad deal because...? When do you start making sense?
I’m happy to admit when I’m actually wrong It doesn't matter if you aren't capable of realizing that you're wrong and instead continue to be wrong.
you’re too arrogant From arguing with people like you.]

[Real Men Wear Green]

Their offense isn’t the same lvl, banes an elite shooter and that makes his offense better. Bane was a 2-3 in offensive epm in his prime. Jrue was a 1-2 in his pelicans years. Jrues a better player sure but both were borderline all stars in their prime so same tier isn’t ridiculous
Holiday actually was an allstar. It's a bit nuts that holiday at his peak was just at offensively productive while being one of the best defenders in the league but you guys want to act like it's even. Holiday ha been a key part of two championships for a reason. Let me know when Banes is considered for the Olympics.

[theman93]

If their offense is on the same level while Holiday was one of the best defenders in the game how are they on the same tier?

Their offense isn't on the same level. Before Jrue had Giannis/Middleton and Tatum/Brown to draw the defense away his TS% was only 54.2% (during his time in NO). After he joined them it jumped to 58.8%. Bane's career TS% is 59.7%. And that's with defenses only having to focus on Ja. Even in 2024 without Ja his TS% was 58.9%. Additionally, the gravity Bane causes is light years ahead of Jrue.

[theman93]

A level they would have been close to without sacrificing 5 first round picks. I'm not saying they didn't get better, I'm saying they overpaid and long term that hurts their potential.

Well first of all, it's 4 first round picks we are losing, not 5. 2029 is a swap.

But I mean yeah, this is just you hating at this point. There's no way to prove the definitive ceiling is no more than 1 playoff series win in any of the next 4 seasons. We were already 1 game away from that a year ago and that was with absolutely 0 shooting lol.

[theman93]

Player A:
55.1% eFG | 57.5% TS | 41.9% 3P on 7 attempts

Player B:
56.6% eFG | 59.7% TS | 41% 3P on 6.3 attempts

Who would you rather have?

[NBAGOAT]

Sub in the word guard and you still will always have better players getting moved
"Verifiable rumors" is an inherently stupid phrase. Of course there world be changes made sooner or later. But what those changes would be are vastly different for a team that has an AllNBA player and a borderline AllNBA player to build around vs a team with a borderline AllNBA player (JB had made it before and could again if he had good health for a season) and an injured player with the supermax who they can't be sure will return at his previous level. If Tatum is healthy you consider keeping more talent or at least are willing to trade for bigger contracts back than you would knowing you have no shot at the championship next year and just want to save some money. When did I ever say that? You can't argue with the voices in your head. But they're is an important point not being addressed...

Our original argument was about Jaylen Brown. You comparing him to MPJ is insane. A title justifies a team's general approach. Giving JB the supermax was an extremely important decision and the original point you seem to have forgotten that you were arguing about. When the Celtics won the championship it was the ultimate justification of what they were doing. Explain to me how anyone involved with the Celtics lost our. JB obviously got paid. Team won a championship. Grousbeck family made 6 billion dollars. But it was a bad deal because...? When do you start making sense? It doesn't matter if you aren't capable of realizing that you're wrong and instead continue to be wrong. From arguing with people like you.]

ok we can argue about the guards. tell me who you think gets traded.

the rumors were pretty clear. One of jrue or porzingis was getting traded. Saving money was a big factor no matter what again the former owner instantly sold the team after the first title run. You said back then the celtics would have no issues with the apron and keep their team together for years. I'm not making that up im pretty sure.

ofc jaylen is better than mpj, thats not my point. The point is you said "The Celtic moves were already validated when they won it all in 2024." the exact argument can be used for michael porter jr. Was the porter jr signing not validated by denvers title in 23? I argue no ofc not I used the most extreme example but its a simple counter to that point you made. also, Jaylen was part of the argument and i disagreed but that part isnt what matters here. The important part was I didnt think the celtics could keep their team together the apron is too much of weight on teambuilding and you disagreed. I thought they couldnt resign hauser for example tbf I was half wrong they did resign him but look what it lead to. To paraphrase you said essentially why would I worry about the teams cap situation and the owners will have no problem paying the roster. you thought the celtics could pay everyone and now their core lasted only 2 seasons was the main point I brought up this time. Tatum again is a good explanation but isnt enough when the celtics got new owners and it was common knowledge they were planning to dump salary anyway and get under the 2nd apron. The only way they keep the roster intact is if they won a title(and a lot of insiders thought they wouldnt keep the roster even if they did)

pot meets kettle when you cherrypick your arguments and misrepresent what I say and rely on gotchus. It works on the trolls here but you wouldnt really stand a chance in a debate even on realgm. you cant even do well vs me