2025 NBA Draft Discussion

[Meticode]

Where does Bailey go?

[Manny98]

We're the most powerful team in this draft with the assets and cap space that we have

Expecting Marks to make some huge chess pieces moves tonight to put Brooklyn back on the map

https://i.postimg.cc/kgn8vZfZ/1000001618.jpg

[GOBB]

Hey guys I’m leaving til next year. Can’t deal with this place. Guys this is it. I’m done here.


*makes new topics later*


The attention is addicting I guess.

[Wally450]

NBA trying to spread out their draft coverage like the NFL does. I didn't even know the draft was tonight.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Hey guys I’m leaving til next year. Can’t deal with this place. Guys this is it. I’m done here.


*makes new topics later*


The attention is addicting I guess.
I don't announce it but sometimes I'll go a few days without posting. It's healthy.

[Meticode]

I don't announce it but sometimes I'll go a few days without posting. It's healthy.

I said in the post that I would be posting around draft time, but otherwise I would be gone after that. Philly Cheese Stupid doing what he does best... knee jerk posting, not fully reading and not comprehending. No surprise here.

[Meticode]

We're the most powerful team in this draft with the assets and cap space that we have

Expecting Marks to make some huge chess pieces moves tonight to put Brooklyn back on the map

https://i.postimg.cc/kgn8vZfZ/1000001618.jpg

Has that ever happened? One team having five draft picks in the first round?

[beasted]

We're the most powerful team in this draft with the assets and cap space that we have

Expecting Marks to make some huge chess pieces moves tonight to put Brooklyn back on the map

https://i.postimg.cc/kgn8vZfZ/1000001618.jpg

This is bad logic to put NJ first because it implies they would be able to trade all of those picks for the 1st overall pick, which is likely false.

Sometime formulas aren't close to understanding value, and this is one of those cases.

[Mask the Embiid]

https://64.media.tumblr.com/ef40c5b1825da13f48de61c6d3194479/tumblr_nqia43rlfS1rnnojyo1_400.gif

[GOBB]

No one notices or will miss you if you took a break posting. Announcing it like you have a following here is about as dumb as Ace not working out or meeting with the teams. Who are you?


Anyway, 2hrs and change before I see what Philly does. I hope nets take someone Manny doesn’t want. So I can laugh. First cooper Flagg now *insert random euro*. Stupid draft format the. Hope ratings bomb tomorrow and nba changed it back.

[Meticode]

https://64.media.tumblr.com/ef40c5b1825da13f48de61c6d3194479/tumblr_nqia43rlfS1rnnojyo1_400.gif

Drafts don't hit as hard as they used to like this.

[Xiao Yao You]

No one notices or will miss you if you took a break posting. Announcing it like you have a following here is about as dumb as Ace not working out or meeting with the teams. Who are you?


Anyway, 2hrs and change before I see what Philly does. I hope nets take someone Manny doesn’t want. So I can laugh. First cooper Flagg now *insert random euro*. Stupid draft format the. Hope ratings bomb tomorrow and nba changed it back.

Manny will love them until they suck or are traded

[GOBB]

Manny will love them until they suck or are traded

True :lol

[Meticode]

Apparently the Spurs were one of the teams who contacted the Celtics about Jaylen Brown. :lebronamazed:

[coin24]

Need some big trades cause the draft is boring af..

Lol the nets are dog shit and will draft only scrubs with those picks:lol

[Manny98]

I really want Kon Knuppel

[tontoz]

Apparently the Pels are offering 7 and 23 for the 4th pick.

[Manny98]

Get on with it already :facepalm

[Meticode]

The Mavericks made a mistake drafting Flagg.

[Meticode]

There's crazy. He is only 12 days older than LeBron when he was drafted.

[RRR3]

The Mavericks made a mistake drafting Flagg.
How

[Manny98]

The Mavericks made a mistake drafting Flagg.
As much as I hate to admit it Flagg is clearly the best talent of this draft class and fits right in Dallas

[Lebron23]

2025 NBA Draft Today Dallas Mavericks selects Cooper Flagg. San Antonio Spurs selects Dylan Harper. Let's see if the Spurs trade their 2nd overall pick

[Meticode]

How

I don't then he'll turn out as good as he's scouted. There will be one or two players who will be better.

[tontoz]

Vegas was right about Philly. If the hornets take Kon I will be like

:banana:

[Meticode]

Interesting to always see college draftees dictating where they go. Bailey basically annexed himself from the Sixers.

[RRR3]

Vegas was right about Philly. If the hornets take Kon I will be like

:banana:
Who do you want?

[Meticode]

Who do you want?

Bailey I think.

[GOBB]

VJ Edwards

[tontoz]

Who do you want?

If the hornets take Kon that means either Ace or Tee will fall to us and I like both.

[tontoz]

VJ Edwards

Lol at least get his name right.

[Meticode]

Kon Ka Nipple

[RRR3]

If the hornets take Kon that means either Ace or Tee will fall to us and I like both.
You're in luck

[Manny98]

****ing hell :facepalm

[GOBB]

Lol at least get his name right.

His favorite player is Anthony Edwards lol That’s why I did that

[tontoz]

This makes up for our rotten luck in the lottery.

:rockon:

[GOBB]

****ing hell :facepalm

No cooper. No kahhhhhhhhhn Bahahaha you’re sick

[GOBB]

Kon family weird. They Mormons or something? Strange brothers lol

[GOBB]

Danny Ainge always getting talent. Lucky bish.

[Manny98]

Kon family weird. They Mormons or something? Strange brothers lol

Dodged a bullet :lol

Tre Johnson would be ideal

[FultzNationRISE]

Kon family weird. They Mormons or something? Strange brothers lol


Well. I dunno anything about his brothers, but youre sitting and watching strangers get their names called. Theyre not playing basketball. Just taking roll call. In between sappy montages of each player's "journey" and Stephen A Smith ranting and babbling.

You could just check the picks on your phone, but youre spending an evening watching guys get their names called on a corny ass Disney broadcast.

So I feel like that doesnt give you a lot of room to call anyone else weird.

[GOBB]

Tre is the truth. That would be a steal if he fell to Nets

[Xiao Yao You]

Danny Ainge always getting talent. Lucky bish.

Not too lucky falling to 5. Didnt work out for utah so hopefully not a problem. Him and hendricks at forward could be great

[GOBB]

Tre Johnson is better than Jordan Poole

[Manny98]

Bailey fighting back tears being drafted to Utah :roll:

[tontoz]

Tre Johnson is better than Jordan Poole

i had Tre 4th so I'm very happy to get him. When we fell to 6 I thought we were screwed.

[GOBB]

Was that Mike miller with Fears? Fears chain crazy

[Xiao Yao You]

Hope it works out better than trey burke who didnt work out for utah either

Jake Fischer: There is no trade. Ace Bailey to the Utah Jazz at No. 5, one spot before his widely-perceived preferred home of Washington. 19 seconds ago – via x.com

[GOBB]

i had Tre 4th so I'm very happy to get him. When we fell to 6 I thought we were screwed.

Great pick. Hope he works out. Otherwise I’m a dog shyt talent evaluator lol

[Manny98]

Who???

[Xiao Yao You]

Who???

:facepalm

[BurningHammer]

Yep, Raptors is picking Maluach.

[RRR3]

Time for a patented Manny meltdown :roll:

[GOBB]

Who???

Hahahaa

[Mask the Embiid]

Was pissed we didn't draft ace. I dont follow college at all though so what do i know.

Just read about the kid we did draft tho.

:hammertime::hammertime:


Love the pick. Got us a brunson stopper

[RRR3]

Hahahaa
Manny :roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

Might be a step down from sweet sixteen in a pro system to the shit show of the nets

[tontoz]

Who???

Demin was on my do not draft list, even at 18. He played the point in college but doesn't have the handles or the speed to do it in the pros. His shot sucked too. He's tall and is the best passer in the draft but after watching him a few times I was out

[tontoz]

Cmb to the raps didn't see that coming.

[Wally450]

Yep, Raptors is picking Maluach.

Nope

[Manny98]

We had the assets to move up and grab a Tre Johnson or Kon Knuppel but instead we draft some bum from Russia

At least 10 other guys that would be better than Denim I wouldn't have even taken him with our 19th pick

What a ****ing waste

[Manny98]

Demin was on my do not draft list, even at 18. He played the point in college but doesn't have the handles or the speed to do it in the pros. His shot sucked too. He's tall and is the best passer in the draft but after watching him a few times I was out

He's ****ing garbage literally anybody else I would have been happier with

[RRR3]

Demin was on my do not draft list, even at 18. He played the point in college but doesn't have the handles or the speed to do it in the pros. His shot sucked too. He's tall and is the best passer in the draft but after watching him a few times I was out
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

Demin was on my do not draft list, even at 18. He played the point in college but doesn't have the handles or the speed to do it in the pros. His shot sucked too. He's tall and is the best passer in the draft but after watching him a few times I was out

He didnt shoot a high % but his shot looks fine. Was playing his best ball at end of the year in sweet 16 run. Could have used another year. Not many guys with his size, vision and passing ability

[BurningHammer]

Nope

Who is this Collin guy!?

Cute GF though. :kobe:

[Xiao Yao You]

Trump going to let suns pick stay in country?

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

"Wing" as a listed position is so cringe by ESPN. Basically saying KD and Desmond Bane are the same position, smh.

[Xiao Yao You]

"Wing" as a listed position is so cringe by ESPN. Basically saying KD and Desmond Bane are the same position, smh.

Pretty much are. Guards wings and bigs

[Xiao Yao You]

Mark williams to suns

[BurningHammer]

Suns gets Maluach and a throw-in from Rockets. Hmm....

[Meticode]

So Mark Williams went from being worth Dalton Knecht, a first-round pick, a 2030 pick swap, a 2031 unprotected first, and Cam Reddish. To only being worth the 29th pick in the draft plus a 2029 first rounder.

[Xiao Yao You]

So Mark Williams went from being worth Dalton Knecht, a first-round pick, a 2030 pick swap, a 2031 unprotected first, and Cam Reddish. To only being worth the 29th pick in the draft plus a 2029 first rounder.

If he passes a physical

[Meticode]

If he passes a physical

Would be hilarious if the same thing happened.

[BurningHammer]

https://streamable.com/crbn17

"DALLAS WAS RIGGED!"

Hoo boy....

[Xiao Yao You]

Sarah Todd: Ace also said that he is overjoyed to be going to the Jazz and was so emotional when he name was called. Just trying to keep it together thinking about his mom and all her sacrifice over the years. He had a huge smile on his face when he was talking about coming here. 7 seconds ago – via Bluesky

[coin24]

So Mark Williams went from being worth Dalton Knecht, a first-round pick, a 2030 pick swap, a 2031 unprotected first, and Cam Reddish. To only being worth the 29th pick in the draft plus a 2029 first rounder.

Was just reading about this trade.. wtf:oldlol:
They pretty much wanted to just get rid of him at any cost.

Lakers should have come forward with a smaller offer, unless he really is that damaged goods.

[GOBB]

Sarah Todd: Ace also said that he is overjoyed to be going to the Jazz and was so emotional when he name was called. Just trying to keep it together thinking about his mom and all her sacrifice over the years. He had a huge smile on his face when he was talking about coming here. 7 seconds ago – via Bluesky

So why his team say he wanted to play on east coast. Wizards Nets or Pelicans

[Xiao Yao You]

Clayton doesnt sound like great fit with collier who i love. See ya keyonte george!

[Xiao Yao You]

So why his team say he wanted to play on east coast. Wizards Nets or Pelicans

Sounded like he wanted to be where he would have ball in his hands. Once lauri is traded he will if he deserves it

[tontoz]

I was hoping to get beringer at 18 we need some size.

[Xiao Yao You]

Shams Charania: Utah sent No. 43 and second-rounders in 2031 and 2032 to Washington in this deal. 8 seconds ago – via x.com

[tontoz]

I have no idea what the nets are doing.

[Manny98]

Traore at 19 is decent I guess he has high upside potential steal of the draft :applause:

Still annoyed over the denim pick :facepalm

[Xiao Yao You]

Steal! :lol

[highwhey]

i have no idea who this center is for phoenix but i'm sure he's garbage as is tradition for suns lottery picks

[Xiao Yao You]

Tony Jones: League source to @TheAthletic on acquiring Clayton: We like his toughness, his shooting. We love his speed and character….. 5 mins ago – via Twitter Tjonesonthenba

Another gobert pick so he has a lot to live up to

[90sgoat]

This draft looks quite strong. I have a feeling it could be one of those great draft years.

[Xiao Yao You]

A lot of centers

[Xiao Yao You]

https://thejnotes.com/jazz-regret-rudy-gobert-trade-grows-another-piece-return-finalized

Minny winning. Collier best piece thus far

[Meticode]

I have no idea what the nets are doing.

https://dubsism.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/throwing-dart-blind.gif

[Meticode]

Funny to see Ace Bailey's plan blow up. Utah wasn't one of his preferred destinations.

[tontoz]

I am not the only one trippin about the nets picks


https://youtu.be/ClN_zgKUjyA?si=pAr6cleGULVPy1qY

[Real Men Wear Green]

Knowing nothing about Ace Bailey or the advice he's been given I'm going to spitball a theory: He just didn't want to be drafted by a bad team. Or at least, he was hoping to join the best team possible. Pro sports are one of the few jobs where the employee has no control over where he lives, who he works for and works with. Not that they get any sympathy but if you think about it and you're like, "I'll still be a millionaire either way" you might just want to engineer your own fall in the draft in the hopes that you join a playoff team. Maybe he doesn't want to be a franchise savior. And even if you're an elite talent, who would you rather be, Kobe joining Shaq and the Lakers or T-Mac going to Toronto whose only teammate I can remember came into the league after he did?

Of course if you play for a year of major college basketball teams will have a huge file on you anyway and a GM like Danny Ainge will be willing to draft you sight unseen. The best way to control draft destination is still just to go full villain and tell teams that you don't want to play for them. 40 mil is a lot of money to pay someone that doesn't want to be there.

[tontoz]

You got it backwards. He wanted to come to DC because he would get all the touches he could handle. We are the only team he worked out for.

But ainge dgaf

[GOBB]

Knowing nothing about Ace Bailey or the advice he's been given I'm going to spitball a theory: He just didn't want to be drafted by a bad team. Or at least, he was hoping to join the best team possible. Pro sports are one of the few jobs where the employee has no control over where he lives, who he works for and works with. Not that they get any sympathy but if you think about it and you're like, "I'll still be a millionaire either way" you might just want to engineer your own fall in the draft in the hopes that you join a playoff team. Maybe he doesn't want to be a franchise savior. And even if you're an elite talent, who would you rather be, Kobe joining Shaq and the Lakers or T-Mac going to Toronto whose only teammate I can remember came into the league after he did?

Of course if you play for a year of major college basketball teams will have a huge file on you anyway and a GM like Danny Ainge will be willing to draft you sight unseen. The best way to control draft destination is still just to go full villain and tell teams that you don't want to play for them. 40 mil is a lot of money to pay someone that doesn't want to be there.

Yeah but what teams are not bad in the lottery? Typically it’s where most bad teams pick. lol

Dallas
SA
Philly
Charlotte
Utah
Washington
NO
BKN
Toronto
Phx
Portland
Chicago
Atlanta


Dallas and Philly were playoff caliber teams smacked by injury. Cooper was going to Dallas. So a good team would’ve been Philly. Maybe Atlanta? But that’s a late lottery pick. I don’t see many promising situations either as far as “not bad but best team possible”. He probably shouldn't have bothered addressing where he wants to go and why. And I blame his agent/handlers more than an 18yr. Now you’re not only fighting what every rookie does (prove yourself) but unlike them? You have to now fight the public perception (valid or not) about you. You’ll always have to answer to predraft stuff even if stuff said isn’t accurate. I hope he’s mentally tough and matures to handle that. It’ll be exhausting. But I just don’t see a team in the lottery that fit what he wanted to do (based on your theory)

[Real Men Wear Green]

You got it backwards. He wanted to come to DC because he would get all the touches he could handle. We are the only team he worked out for.

But ainge dgaf When's the last time a player wanted to be drafted by the Wizards? Maybe John Wall, just because he wanted to be first?

Edit: not disagreeing just asking a question.

[Xiao Yao You]

You got it backwards. He wanted to come to DC because he would get all the touches he could handle. We are the only team he worked out for.

But ainge dgaf

The ainges give a ****. Thats why they drafted the best player

[ReturnofJPR]

I am not the only one trippin about the nets picks


https://youtu.be/ClN_zgKUjyA?si=pAr6cleGULVPy1qY


I think their own fans are tripping. On a nets forum they had a poll where they all wanted Noa Essengue at 8. They picked 4 guards with their 5 first round picks and two foreigners. I’m pretty sure Net fans are calling for the firing of the GM.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Yeah but what teams are not bad in the lottery? Typically it’s where most bad teams pick. lol

Dallas
SA
Philly
Charlotte
Utah
Washington
NO
BKN
Toronto
Phx
Portland
Chicago
Atlanta


Dallas and Philly were playoff caliber teams smacked by injury. Cooper was going to Dallas. So a good team would’ve been Philly. Maybe Atlanta? But that’s a late lottery pick. I don’t see many promising situations either as far as “not bad but best team possible”. He probably shouldn't have bothered addressing where he wants to go and why. And I blame his agent/handlers more than an 18yr. Now you’re not only fighting what every rookie does (prove yourself) but unlike them? You have to now fight the public perception (valid or not) about you. You’ll always have to answer to predraft stuff even if stuff said isn’t accurate. I hope he’s mentally tough and matures to handle that. It’ll be exhausting. But I just don’t see a team in the lottery that fit what he wanted to do (based on your theory) It sounds like my theory was off but either way the important thing for him, that he plays well, hasn't changed. Eli Manning, John Elway, Kobe etc controlled where they went as rookies and the general public still remembers them as heroes because they won. Meanwhile they're was a guy that went to Phoenix that the Celtics wanted to look at, he did something that had people mad at the time regarding his workout with them, Celtics go on a different direction and 8 years into his career I don't remember his name anymore (Somerhing Jackson?) because he didn't ball. You can say that it adds to the pressure but it doesn't matter much, pro athletes already have a certain amount of pressure. It just creates an arena where they'll get booed harder on away games but they were still going to get booed.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I think their own fans are tripping. On a nets forum they had a poll where they all wanted Noa Essengue at 8. They picked 4 guards with their 5 first round picks and two foreigners. I’m pretty sure Net fans are calling for the firing of the GM.Not speaking on the individual players drafted but as to the approach, if you have a bad team like the Nets you should draft for talent not fit. Get the best players you can and make deals to make a good team when you figure out who you want to keep, who you want to move, what the players are worth to you, etc. Nets don't need to rush its not like they are playing for the championship next year.

[tontoz]

When's the last time a player wanted to be drafted by the Wizards? Maybe John Wall, just because he wanted to be first?

Edit: not disagreeing just asking a question.



Uhhh....last year lol. Sarr refused to work out for Atlanta because he wanted to come to DC.

[tontoz]

The ainges give a ****. Thats why they drafted the best player

That was my point. They didn't care about what Ace wanted. They didn't care about his agent's shenanigans.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Uhhh....last year lol. Sarr refused to work out for Atlanta because he wanted to come to DC.
Go figure. Wizards always seemed to me like a team players would prefer to avoid.

[GOBB]

The ainges give a ****. Thats why they drafted the best player

It’s really the best motto when drafting top lottery. Granted I’ve seen the weaknesses of Ace that does raise concerns. The fact Danny picked him without caring about the noise (that swayed me surprisingly + weaknesses). He might be laughing in 3 years lol

[tontoz]

Go figure. Wizards always seemed to me like a team players would prefer to avoid.

New management now. Will Dawkins worked under Presti for years.

[GOBB]

How pathetic is the time limit for this draft? First it started 15mins late and now this. After sixers pick im out.

[Xiao Yao You]

Wolves draft center. Trolls have a new fave. Reid, garza and Zikarsky :facepalm

[D-Rose]

Hornets had a solid draft overall

[ShawkFactory]

I don't then he'll turn out as good as he's scouted. There will be one or two players who will be better.

Disagree with you on Coop. I don’t know if you watch college ball like that but there wasn’t a single game Duke played, including against Auburn and Houston, where he wasn’t just clearly the best player on the court. And not in an overwhelming talent way but the little things too.

Of course there might be one or two who end up better but what’s the choice there? Flaggs absolute floor is a very strong contributor on a championship level team. There is absolutely no bust factor barring injuries of course.

Ceiling is tough to call but given his rate of improvement during the college season? Could be one of the better players in the league without question.

Youngest person to be drafted #1 since Lebron too. He’s very very good.

[tontoz]

https://youtu.be/dUkHfLzUctc?si=KkEoGA-fceV_r9Hb

[Manny98]

Wolves draft center. Trolls have a new fave. Reid, garza and Zikarsky :facepalm

I
Hopefully he can average more than 5ppg against OKC

[Xiao Yao You]

Cant quit me!

[Druckenmiller]

Ace Baylee = loser

[Real Men Wear Green]

I never got mad at a guy that tried to control where he was drafted. Even his that rejected the Celtics. Lonzo Ball flat out told Ainge to stay away. I can respect that and have nothing against him and never did.

[Xiao Yao You]

Who jas a better eye for talent presti or manny?

https://lawlessrepublic.com/report-nba-champ-okc-thunder-attempted-to-draft-byu-guard-egor-demin

[GOBB]

The photos and social media videos of Ace Bailey agent are hilarious. Looks like a 90’s drug dealer. That and the negative coverage this kid gets is wild. Some will say deserving. I disagree. A lot was made out when he didn’t meet Utah with the other rookie. However come to find out he meets with Utah today and the same energy isn’t given for folks jumping the gun. His agent, handlers whomever need to start getting ahead of the negative news like that. Soon as that stuff drops you counter. Even tho the team Utah did. Ijs that’s what Ace hired his agent for no?


Vj Edgecombe is personality and dog mentality will win fans over where if he is just a fringe all star caliber player when it’s all said and done? Folks won’t be that up in arms. Bonding with the city, videos of him working out, news of his character (used Nil money for scholarships in Bahamas). That’ll win fans that hate the pick over. It was a safe pick and he will always be measured up what Ace does.



Who jas a better eye for talent presti or manny?

https://lawlessrepublic.com/report-nba-champ-okc-thunder-attempted-to-draft-byu-guard-egor-demin

Presti

The fact okc tried getting him should give Nets fans a little happiness lol but the draft grades collectively im seeing range from D to C+ yikes

[tontoz]

Prior to the draft I saw this poll on the RealGM Philly board:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/61c9c379-dc9e-4342-8972-a3c17258e5a1/ee00f724-6d92-41cf-9a0e-9adfd7573b2a.jpg

[GOBB]

Prior to the draft I saw this poll on the RealGM Philly board:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/61c9c379-dc9e-4342-8972-a3c17258e5a1/ee00f724-6d92-41cf-9a0e-9adfd7573b2a.jpg

Small sample size. More fans wanted Ace than VJ. And I say that from conversations in public, sports radio, social media.

“Don’t overthink this!”
“We are loaded with guards!”
“VJ can’t shoot, tired of those players”

[beasted]

Not going to lie, I empathize with this Ace Bailey kid. I can imagine Utah is a terrible city to live in for marketing purposes, lifestyle, it's also full of racist funny looking people. But his management is not guiding him smartly. If he didn't want to get drafted by Utah they could have told him to sabotage his workout and interview. That would have been his best path forward.

[Xiao Yao You]

Not going to lie, I empathize with this Ace Bailey kid. I can imagine Utah is a terrible city to live in for marketing purposes, lifestyle, it's also full of racist funny looking people. But his management is not guiding him smartly. If he didn't want to get drafted by Utah they could have told him to sabotage his workout and interview. That would have been his best path forward.

Quite an imagination. Id say where ace comes from is much more racist. With social media you can be marketed in any city. Depends on what kind of lifestyle you want i guess. Gobert still has his home here. I believe favors still lives here and hes also from the racist south. Also some of the most beautiful women here. But this is ish. Lets talk about thngs we have no clue about :roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

Derrick Favors: Being from the inner city of ATL (southside zone3 iykyk) I understand not wanting to go to Utah but it’s better than what you think. It’s not for everyone but if you give it a chance you’ll find gold 1 hour ago – via x.com

[Xiao Yao You]

Utah has one of the best fan bases in the entire league. So what’s the problem? I’ll tell you what the problem is: we have these vultures out here. Vultures preying on these kids. They find them in eighth or ninth grade, take them under their wing, give them money, pay their parents’ bills, buy them their first cars, put jewelry on them, clothes on their backs—and the families don’t realize there’s a hidden agenda. These folks had motives all along. I don’t know the man who’s managing Ace—not the agent, because he’s not qualified. I don’t know him, so I won’t speak on his name. But I will speak on the situation: he’s handled this all wrong. Completely wrong. 1 hour ago – via YouTube

[GOBB]

Just not a lot of people who look like Ace live in Utah. And by a lot I mean Hispanics probably dominate the city where most black people live. Just what from little research I’ve done. Never been to Utah. Probably never will.

[GOBB]

https://youtu.be/cHIaWjzcjQo?si=Bed7tZnDqNoVZgvW


Peek nails this

[Xiao Yao You]

Just not a lot of people who look like Ace live in Utah. And by a lot I mean Hispanics probably dominate the city where most black people live. Just what from little research I’ve done. Never been to Utah. Probably never will.

More and more they do. Slc is a lot more diverse than the suburbs where rich people like favors, gobert and thurl bailey live. Deron williams still has a home in park city. Sounds like the kid wants to work and ball. Great place for that

[GOBB]

More and more they do. Slc is a lot more diverse than the suburbs where rich people like favors, gobert and thurl bailey live. Deron williams still has a home in park city. Sounds like the kid wants to work and ball. Great place for that

But you also want to be apart of a community you can call home as well. With that comes folks you can relate too. It may be good from a work and ball standpoint. No distractions. Nothing to do as far as what he may like. He’s 18 not in his 40’s. None of this matters tho as he’s locked in for 4 years if not more barring a trade. Be it forced or him not performing as expected. So he has no excuse focusing solely on ball. But making Utah your home. Where you spend your career, have a family? Time will tell if the place convinces him to stay (and not force a trade down the road).

I do find it funny he ended up in Utah (least likely place) in a situation not preferred (Lauri, Colin, Collins).


Why is the % of blacks so small in Utah and even south lake city where the most blacks are said to be? Even there the numbers are the minority. Or you saying the influx has been greater the past decade or so?

[Xiao Yao You]

But you also want to be apart of a community you can call home as well. With that comes folks you can relate too. It may be good from a work and ball standpoint. No distractions. Nothing to do as far as what he may like. He’s 18 not in his 40’s. None of this matters tho as he’s locked in for 4 years if not more barring a trade. Be it forced or him not performing as expected. So he has no excuse focusing solely on ball. But making Utah your home. Where you spend your career, have a family? Time will tell if the place convinces him to stay (and not force a trade down the road).

I do find it funny he ended up in Utah (least likely place) in a situation not preferred (Lauri, Colin, Collins).


Why is the % of blacks so small in Utah and even south lake city where the most blacks are said to be? Even there the numbers are the minority. Or you saying the influx has been greater the past decade or so?
Yes it is becoming more diverse all the time. He can live elsewhere in the off season. If hes here to play basketball its shouldnt matter much during the season. On the road half the time. At the facility working when home.

[beasted]

Quite an imagination. Id say where ace comes from is much more racist. With social media you can be marketed in any city. Depends on what kind of lifestyle you want i guess. Gobert still has his home here. I believe favors still lives here and hes also from the racist south. Also some of the most beautiful women here. But this is ish. Lets talk about thngs we have no clue about :roll:

We can go back and forth on opinions, but that isn't helpful to move the conversation, so let's at least attempt to use objective measures.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but ultimately Utah is one of the last diverse states, ranked at 34. There are many studies and research that speaks to the perceived beauty and how that relates to diversity. Utah is not a fashion, beauty, modeling, nor actress hub. - based on this, they should objectively measure average or below (still an opinion though)

As far as marketing potential, a few objective data points:
According to Nielsen DMA Utah (Salt Lake City) ranks around #27 among U.S. TV markets. - Not good in media markets (fact)

They have typically ranked 13th -14th in attendance (* - In 2021 they were #1 in the Covid-19 shortned season, this is omitted due to varying local ordinances related to gatherings) - Meh attendance (fact)

According to CBSSports and SI, Utah averages between 4-8 national games per season placing them 25th. - Not good at getting picked up nationally by major sports networks (fact)

I'd say these traits objectively make Utah an undesirable city despite what our opinions are.

[GOBB]

Yes it is becoming more diverse all the time. He can live elsewhere in the off season. If hes here to play basketball its shouldnt matter much during the season. On the road half the time. At the facility working when home.

Yeah but that logic doesn’t seem to be used during free agency. If we lost the last 3 decades of Jazz signings. The most notable black player is Carlos Boozer. Clearly location seems to matter. You’re saying it shouldn’t. Play ball and make somewhere else home. You and I both know that’s not how nba athletes operate. But that’s neither here nor there. Ace is there for now.

[Xiao Yao You]

Yeah but that logic doesn’t seem to be used during free agency. If we lost the last 3 decades of Jazz signings. The most notable black player is Carlos Boozer. Clearly location seems to matter. You’re saying it shouldn’t. Play ball and make somewhere else home. You and I both know that’s not how nba athletes operate. But that’s neither here nor there. Ace is there for now.

That is exactly why they couldnt pass on ace. A chance at an all star talent that they might not have in free agency. Roll the dice. They hold all the cards for at least 4 years. He will give up a lot of money if he wants out after that. Now it is time for him to show he deserves the attention. Right now he is nothing but hype

[Xiao Yao You]

Marc Stein: Ace Bailey, meanwhile, has arrived in Salt Lake City to officially join the Jazz. 1 hour ago – via x.com

[GOBB]

Marc Stein: Ace Bailey, meanwhile, has arrived in Salt Lake City to officially join the Jazz. 1 hour ago – via x.com


This news isn’t louder than when he wasn’t on the same flight with fellow rookie headed to Utah.

[Xiao Yao You]

They wanted him here this weekend. Practice tomorrow. All good

[Axe]

Bulls are gonna be in the purgatory for the next 10 years, it seems. Unless giddey can turns things around for good, though it could be unlikely.

[Xiao Yao You]

Ace Bailey indicated Sunday that he never thought about holding out or forcing a trade after the Utah Jazz drafted him No. 5 overall. Bailey reported to Utah after he was criticized for his approach to the pre-draft process, during which he refused to work out for teams interested in him. When asked during his introductory news conference whether he considered not coming to Salt Lake City, he only expressed enthusiasm for being with the Jazz. “Just blessed to be in the position I am,” Bailey said. 36 mins ago – via ESPN

[Xiao Yao You]

Ace Bailey: What were your first 24 hours like in Salt Lake? Ace: “Came straight to the gym. Beautiful scenery—I didn’t think the mountains were real. Just great meeting the coaches.”

[tontoz]

I just realized that the Wolves drafted two centers. :lol

[beasted]

I just realized that the Wolves drafted two centers. :lol

I've been thinking about this along with the Reid and Randle guarantees. I think they will be trading Gobert. Waiting on the shambomb.

Maybe they hold off until the trade deadline to give him time to mentor their young bucks.

[Xiao Yao You]

Back to the lottery

[GOBB]

Apparently Ainge lied to hornets and said Kon was their guy at 5 so they wouldn’t trade back to Wizards. Instead hornets stayed put and Danny took Ace so Wash couldn’t get him. If story is true he is a bigger d*ckhead than former players have said lol

[Xiao Yao You]

Danny son calling the shots. Danny wouldnt have given up a pick with sexton

[GOBB]

Danny son calling the shots. Danny wouldnt have given up a pick with sexton

Pretty sure Danny Ainge was behind drafting ace not his son.

[Xiao Yao You]

Owner says austin is making the decisions. Taking the best player and not letting other team know was an easy call.

[GOBB]

Owner says austin is making the decisions. Taking the best player and not letting other team know was an easy call.

He just coincidentally pulls a dad move huh during the draft? Lol cmon man. You’re brighter than that I hope

[Xiao Yao You]

He just coincidentally pulls a dad move huh during the draft? Lol cmon man. You’re brighter than that I hope
No brainer. Take best player. Dont tell other teams your plans. Dad taught him well

[Xiao Yao You]

2nd rounder with sexton doesnt look like a danny move. He held on to sexton wanting more

[GOBB]

No brainer. Take best player. Dont tell other teams your plans. Dad taught him well

You just want to be different. I get it.

[GOBB]

2nd rounder with sexton doesnt look like a danny move. He held on to sexton wanting more

Yeah you’re caught up on a trade to make your case why you think Danny didn’t do the draft lol

Smh stubborn

[Xiao Yao You]

Austin ainge is in charge accoding to the owner. No reason for me to think otherwise

[GOBB]

Anyway, this is good to see for Ace

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DLgC2w0Rolp/?igsh=MXgxY2h2NzhtYTNwYw==


Too bad the noise is louder than the positive. Danny Ainge might’ve scored again. Tatum part 2

[Xiao Yao You]

He scored with austin anyway. Hopefully ace is as good as he thinks he is

[GOBB]

No clue who Austin is. Ace first name starts with an A. Time will tell for Ace. Utah appears to be in the lottery seeepstakes next draft. Anyway. Some studs there besides AJ from BYU

[Xiao Yao You]

Thunder get their pick if not bottom10 so they will tank. Main reason sexton is gone

https://www.deseret.com/sports/2025/06/02/austin-ainge-utah-jazz-president-of-basketball-operations/

[GOBB]

But thunder get sixers first rd pick next draft. Wth

Let me look this up

[GOBB]

Okc gets Utah pick top 8 protected
Okc gets Philly pick top 4 protected

Wow Sam presti

[Xiao Yao You]

Wow dennos lindsey signing favors and having to add a pick a year later to get rid of him.

[GOBB]

Wow dennos lindsey signing favors and having to add a pick a year later to get rid of him.

But I’m reading that if Utah doesn’t give okc the first next draft then they no longer are on the hook to give them a first rd pick thereafter. Go ahead and tank. Start by trading John Collins next.

[Xiao Yao You]

But I’m reading that if Utah doesn’t give okc the first next draft then they no longer are on the hook to give them a first rd pick thereafter. Go ahead and tank. Start by trading John Collins next.

I think okc gets nothing. How much will it cost to trade collins? Too good to buy out. Had no choice with the bum because hes a joke

[Xiao Yao You]

Who wants lauri?

[beasted]

Who wants lauri?

Markkanen is severely overpaid. That's gotta be a tough sell without taking back bad contracts in return. If Miami is desperate enough maybe Wiggins (1 more year) + Rozier (expiring) straight up?

[GOBB]

Markkanen is severely overpaid. That's gotta be a tough sell without taking back bad contracts in return. If Miami is desperate enough maybe Wiggins (1 more year) + Rozier (expiring) straight up?

I disagree I think Lauri would command interest. He’s a very good floor spacer. I don’t know about him defensively but I know scoring/shooting that’s the going rate for someone having his skills. I see value with him.

[Xiao Yao You]

He has value. What the jazz will take is the question. He has to go eventually. Different timeline than ace, hendricks, collier and company

[beasted]

I disagree I think Lauri would command interest. He’s a very good floor spacer. I don’t know about him defensively but I know scoring/shooting that’s the going rate for someone having his skills. I see value with him.
I don't know about that. What is the difference between him and MPJ?

[Xiao Yao You]

I don't know about that. What is the difference between him and MPJ?

7 feet. Plays 3 positions. 3 level scorer. Elie shooter

[beasted]

7 feet. Plays 3 positions. 3 level scorer. Elie shooter

MPJ shoots a much higher 2P FG% and 3PT%. Markkanen is also not a 3-level scorer. He barely gets to the FT line. 3.9 FTAs per game for the number one option os underwhelming.

[Xiao Yao You]

3 level scorer is scoring from 3, mid range and at the rim. Mpj is getting a lot more uncontested shots im sure. Id ignore last year with lauri when the jazz were having him do things out of his wheel house. Another way to ensure losing. Lauri better rebounder. Gets to the line more. Been a 1st option not 3rd option spot shooter

[beasted]

3 level scorer is scoring from 3, mid range and at the rim. Mpj is getting a lot more uncontested shots im sure. Id ignore last year with lauri when the jazz were having him do things out of his wheel house. Another way to ensure losing. Lauri better rebounder. Gets to the line more. Been a 1st option not 3rd option spot shooter

The flaw in your thinking is he will not be the first option regardless of where he goes. His numbers and impact can only go down. He and MPJ will be the same once Markkanen goes elsewhere.

[Xiao Yao You]

The flaw in your thinking is he will not be the first option regardless of where he goes. His numbers and impact can only go down. He and MPJ will be the same once Markkanen goes elsewhere.

Ideally he isnt a first option. His numbers are as a 1st option not taking wide open shots playing to the best player in the world. Lauri is a lot better player from what ive seen. He can shoot over anyone at his size.

[beasted]

Ideally he isnt a first option. His numbers are as a 1st option not taking wide open shots playing to the best player in the world. Lauri is a lot better player from what ive seen. He can shoot over anyone at his size.

At 6'10" MPJ can shoot over anyone too.

I don't see it. Markkanen is slightly better... slightly. Both overpaid. My whole point was I can see Markkanen's contract becoming like MPJ difficult for a playoff team to offload.

[Xiao Yao You]

Be hard to see it since porter hasnt been the 1st option. Lauri more versatile. Bigger. Better

[GOBB]

https://x.com/esidery/status/1940490154311033288?s=46


Stooge

[Meticode]

DeAndre Ayton to the Lakers is official.

[Meticode]

Not sure if he's the "lob threat" Luka wanted, but he's an upgrade over nothing. He's been consistent his whole career. 14/10 at least every year he's been in the league.

He's games played and stats has regressed the last three seasons. I except he won't be averaging 14PPG or more with the Lakers with LeBron, Luka and Reaves in front of him shooting. Let's hope for 12/12 year for him with 65+ played games.

[Xiao Yao You]

Just saw hawks got unprotected pels 1st next season in draft day move. Dumars off to great start! :roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

Clayton jr. Showing the whole package. Could be starting with sexton gone. Ace is athletic and talented but very raw. Probably should start in gleague but wont. Easier to lose games with gleafiers

[GOBB]

VJ 1 Ace 0, these two forever will be linked unfortunately at least with the Sixers fanbase. But also folks who were big/low on Ace in general. Ace definately works on tough shots as he took them quite a bit. He had a great block showing his length. He may not be 6’10 but he’s pretty long. VJ on the other hand mirrored Jimmy Butler in the ways he was scoring. Mid range pull ups especially on baseline. Also demonstrated his burst of speed with a nice dunk carving up the defense. He didn’t shoot well from 3 but let it fly when he had the shot. VJ is very right hand dominant. Going to need to incorporate that left. He had a dunk blocked coming from the left side using right hand to dunk. As like McCain is a damn good rebounder for a guard.

Very good debut by VJ. Why sixers don’t go into summer league with a PG? Beyond me. It was god awful watching dudes try to run point. Sensabaugh cooked for Utah. He’s a ringer to me lol Don’t belong there. Bona ate lookin like Zion a bit with his dunks at the rim overpowering defenders. Filipowski received a lot of that treatment. He’s not much of a defender and bit on two shot fakes from a guy that isn’t known as a shooter. That said offensively he looked good.

Bout the only noticeable players that game. Summer league is ugly basketball. But these guys stood out over most.

[Xiao Yao You]

Didnt notice clayton jr.? He can use his left hand which i was impressed by. Seemingly a lost art. Defended made shots inside and oit. Ran the floor. Made plays for others. Ace had 7oot reach so good length nothing spexial. Very athletic. Good motor. Still raw. Collier made some great passes. Still needs to work on his shot. Keyonte george needs to go obviously. Clayton jr., collier and sensabaugh have it covered.

[GOBB]

Didnt notice clayton jr.? He can use his left hand which i was impressed by. Seemingly a lost art. Defended made shots inside and oit. Ran the floor. Made plays for others. Ace had 7oot reach so good length nothing spexial. Very athletic. Good motor. Still raw. Collier made some great passes. Still needs to work on his shot. Keyonte george needs to go obviously. Clayton jr., collier and sensabaugh have it covered.

I noticed him you already spoke on him tho. lol very poised player. He had an impressive debut. More seasoned than his fellow rookie peers

[GOBB]

VJ to Harkless during SL game “you’re worried about me? I’m the #3 pick you’re sorry as f*ck!!!”. :oldlol:

[tpols]

At 6'10" MPJ can shoot over anyone too.

I don't see it. Markkanen is slightly better... slightly. Both overpaid. My whole point was I can see Markkanen's contract becoming like MPJ difficult for a playoff team to offload.

Bro Lauri is way better than MPJ. He actually has a bag where as porter Jr has absolutely none. Hes a catch and shoot 3pt shooter who often goes cold when it counts. Role player with no upside.

[tontoz]

Hard to believe VJ put up 27 shots in a game. He only averaged 11.5 shots per game at Baylor.

[Xiao Yao You]

Hard to believe VJ put up 27 shots in a game. He only averaged 11.5 shots per game at Baylor.

Trying to win games on a good team in college. They want him to carry gleaguers in summer league

[GOBB]

Hard to believe VJ put up 27 shots in a game. He only averaged 11.5 shots per game at Baylor.

He wanted to showcase he can score off the dribble. Did a good job at that.

[Xiao Yao You]

He wanted to showcase he can score off the dribble. Did a good job at that.

Be more of a catch and shoot defender if they are healthy i imagine

[tontoz]

He wanted to showcase he can score off the dribble. Did a good job at that.


I saw him do it at random times at Baylor, then he would go back to passive. Maybe he is being told to be aggressive in SL.

[GOBB]

I saw him do it at random times at Baylor, then he would go back to passive. Maybe he is being told to be aggressive in SL.

Yeah that’s what they have him doing.


Be more of a catch and shoot defender if they are healthy i imagine

Yeah his role will be completely different with Maxey embiid and George

[GOBB]

Load management in the summer league is disgusting. VJ out with thumb injury smh foh

[Xiao Yao You]

Ace was impressive. Appears to be everything you could hope for. Makes the game look easy all over the floor. Takes some tough shots which he will get better at. Trade lauri. The ace era has begun!

[GOBB]

Saw his highlights not the game. He balled out. Most of his pts were either from dunks (had one explosive nasty dunk) or C & S shots. He did have one fadeaway off a rebound he got. But all the highlights I saw were C & S. None were off the dribbles or him having to show handles. Which has been the knock on his game and if he ever wanted to fulfill the hype. I will say all the nonsense about his height? You sure as hell couldn’t tell he was “6’7 without shoes! He’s a midget wahh”.

But it’s summer league so the overreactions good or bad will happen. Yearly thing. And with so much drama around Ace the negative will outsell the positive. Comes with the territory. I still do not like his agent and/or advisors. Bunch of idiots and when Ace matures he will see that and get real deal representation to take him to the next level.

Curious if VJ plays tonight? Curious if Ace sits after last night. Sensabsugh needs to be kicked off SL. lol

[Xiao Yao You]

The Minnesota Timberwolves today announced the team has signed center Rocco Zikarsky (Rock-oh Zih-KAR-skee) to a two-way contract. Per team policy, terms of the agreement were not released. – via NBA.com

The new garza!!! :facepalm

[GOBB]

VJ out for summer league. Thumb injury. Sixers know how to ruin shyt for fans. Can’t stand this franchise. So dumb