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3ba11
07-07-2025, 04:12 PM
plus a better producer than Klay at 3rd option (Hornacek), while also having a good defensive cast of Ostertag, Russell, and Shandon Anderson (in addition to all-defenders Stockton & Malone).

so the 98' Jazz were stacked, which is why they "gentlemen" swept Popovich/Duncan/Robinson and Shaq's 4 all-star Lakers.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1nl5hzIYWP4?app=desktop

Hey Yo
07-07-2025, 04:47 PM
2015 LeBron lost his 2nd and 3rd option but still beat 4 All-Star Atlanta in the ECF.

3ba11
07-07-2025, 05:00 PM
2015 LeBron lost his 2nd and 3rd option but still beat 4 All-Star Atlanta in the ECF.


Curry got no credit for beating the injured Cavs in 2015, yet Lebron's biggest accomplishment was beating the injured baby Celtics in 2018 (#13 SRS).

it's called a double standard.

regarding the 15' Hawks (#4 SRS) - JR Smith averaged 18 on 60% against them, so Lebron still never beat a top 5 SRS team with weak scoring & efficiency from a sidekick, aka he never carried weak help over top teams..

sdot_thadon
07-07-2025, 05:43 PM
No ****ing body had Stockton over Isaiah in the 90s. He only made the dream team over zeke due to people being in their feelings. Stockton wasn't even really seen as a star he was a role player deluxe like Reeves.

1987_Lakers
07-07-2025, 08:17 PM
No ****ing body had Stockton over Isaiah in the 90s. He only made the dream team over zeke due to people being in their feelings. Stockton wasn't even really seen as a star he was a role player deluxe like Reeves.

That's what I was thinking. Sure, most people have Stockton over Isiah now because of his longevity, but highly unlikely that was the case during the 90's.

sdot_thadon
07-07-2025, 09:25 PM
That's what I was thinking. Sure, most people have Stockton over Isiah now because of his longevity, but highly unlikely that was the case during the 90's.

It's not even so much the longevity as it is the narrative imo. Zeke has been getting buried since the fall of the badboys and now people dont really see him for what he was during his era. I will say this if I have a dynamic scorer, Stockton is a better fit next to him, he'll stay out of the way and help the main guy get easier buckets and score when called upon. But if i dont have "the guy" im taking Zeke all day every day.

John8204
07-08-2025, 08:45 AM
That's what I was thinking. Sure, most people have Stockton over Isiah now because of his longevity, but highly unlikely that was the case during the 90's.

Timing is also a huge factor, 80's had a ton of PG's but not too many legendary PF's. Malone set a new standard for the position and he was chasing Kareem. 00-10 we got more clarity in how you could have a bunch of Malone's but Stocktons were the rare ones.

Baller234
07-08-2025, 11:19 AM
The Stockton slurping has really gotten insane, and I hate to say it because I loved Stockton as a player.

sdot_thadon
07-08-2025, 11:44 AM
You see the purpose of the revisionist history in the thread title.....I cant beleive anyone who grew up watching 80s-90s ball could ever come to such a conclusion. Its that terrible.

Full Court
07-08-2025, 05:16 PM
Stockton/Malone were one of the best duos in NBA history. They tend to get disparaged these days...almost always by Bronie fluffers who try to discredit Jordan's incredible accomplishments.

And the hilarious thing is that all they have to cling to is this phony narrative that "Bu-bu-bu-but Jordan had weak competition!!" When the fact is that the 2020 bubble ring was against the weakest finals team in the modern era, and possible the entire history of the sport.

SouBeachTalents
07-08-2025, 05:19 PM
Stockton/Malone were one of the best duos in NBA history. They tend to get disparaged these days...almost always by Bronie fluffers who try to discredit Jordan's incredible accomplishments.

And the hilarious thing is that all they have to cling to is this phony narrative that "Bu-bu-bu-but Jordan had weak competition!!" When the fact is that the 2020 bubble ring was against the weakest finals team in the modern era, and possible the entire history of the sport.
They played together 18 years and won 0 rings, and you can only blame Jordan for 2 of those. Not impressed.