Embiid has thoughts on your criticism of his playoff career.

[Kblaze8855]

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He continues




His thoughts drift back to the playoffs, irritated: "You're basically saying that he's playing harder in the regular season than he's playing in the playoffs, which doesn't make sense because if you look at the minutes, the minutes rise. And you're playing harder. And you do more on both ends of the floor."
He takes a detour into his postseason plus/minus numbers, which measure up with the greats of the game, then chides himself for sounding like his trainer and confidant, Drew Hanlen, who 13 minutes into a phone call sent me a link to Embiid's playoff stats.
"You want one more?" I ask.
"Yeah, I want it," he says.
Joel is talented but doesn't have the extra intangible stuff it takes to lead.
"No one is a winner until they've done it. I'm fine with that narrative because I haven't done it. Charles Barkley, great player, right? But he never won. [Allen Iverson] never won. ... But that doesn't mean they weren't great. They were amazing.






https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45747447/joel-embiid-philadelphia-76ers-star-sees-you


That and many many more takes in this rather extensive interview. Apparently he and Harden don’t speak anymore and he’s upset about that because he thinks Harden thinks he’s responsible for him not being in Philly anymore. A lot of…that.

He’s in the legacy shaping part of his career and he admits that he does care what people think about that. Looks like he’s gonna be campaigning for respect for the foreseeable future.

[warriorfan]

No one will care or even remember who he is in a couple of years.

Rich man’s Greg Oden

[SouBeachTalents]

Tbf is anyone just gonna flat out admit they underperform/choke in the playoffs? Of course he's going to be in denial about that and refuse to admit it :lol

But he has a long enough track record now where it's factually indisputable his performance falls off a cliff from the regular season to the playoffs, he's 31 and doesn't have a single notable playoff moment or performance to his name.

[Mask the Embiid]

Hes the Derrick Rose/ Penny Hardaway of this generation. He's the greatest what if in the history of basketball. If he was healthy, he probably would of went down top 10 of all time next to shaq and hakeem


I dont think he ever had 1 healthy post season besides the bubble when Ben Simmons went down. Shame

[Manny98]

Tldr

He's a cripple mentally and physically who isn't built for the playoffs

[ImKobe]

Hes the Derrick Rose/ Penny Hardaway of this generation. He's the greatest what if in the history of basketball. If he was healthy, he probably would of went down top 10 of all time next to shaq and hakeem


I dont think he ever had 1 healthy post season besides the bubble when Ben Simmons went down. Shame

That's the issue right there. For a lot of those years their hopes rested on Embiid's health and they were waiting for Simmons to take that next step and it just never came together. 2020 is the year they should've made a run because he was finally healthy for a run, but Simmons wasn't there so they had no chance with that roster.

[tpols]

The Nets series ok... but hes shit the bed outside that and even when his team was loaded. The 2019 Sixers were 1 lucky shot away from winning with him playing like doodoo. If he plays even average they win. And probably ring.

[Phoenix]

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[Nowoco]

No one will care or even remember who he is in a couple of years.

Rich man’s Greg Oden

People have already forgotten.

I don't care what Joel Embiid has to say about this or anything else for that matter. Weak ass mental midget choking bitch. It's a crime he shoehorned himself into the Dream Team to get a gold medal.

[Real Men Wear Green]

He might just have better postseasons if he didn't do as much in the regular season but that's something that every superstar has to deal with unless he's taking an indirect shot at Jimmy Butler, which would be a stretch to assume. He should be savvy enough to realize that this just sounds like whining and no one's going to care...but if he has to whine about how unfair his playoff career has been I would appreciate it if next time he dedicates some complaining to having to face the Celtics so many times. If he does that I promise to pretend that his issues have validity.

[NBAGOAT]

He’s unlucky af with some injuries. I don’t mean the knee stuff. I mean the random injuries to his face and who the hell gets Bell’s palsy

[tontoz]

Failing to get out of the 2nd round in the weak east is embarassing.

[John8204]

It's not really his fault Philly sucks, we just blame him because everyone else (Fultz, Simmons, George, Harden) was a complete disaster.

[Gudo]

Alright. Looks like this new culture is catching on well.

[SouBeachTalents]

It's not really his fault Philly sucks, we just blame him because everyone else (Fultz, Simmons, George, Harden) was a complete disaster.
Yep, he's definitely better than Shaq.

[John8204]

Yep, he's definitely better than Shaq.

I wouldn't say definately but he is ranked ahead of Shaq in more categories than you would care to acknowledge.

Shaq is 31st in PPG, Joel is 4th
Shaq is 72nd in Shooting percentage, Joel is 19th

Though that has more to a generation of fanboys who are to caught up in their own childhood to see Shaq for what he really was.

But it's okay I forgive you for being so emotional about this.

[GOBB]

Shaq won 3 straight rings in 4 finals appearances. That’s a category Embiid can’t talk about. I will say Embiid has played through injuries where many don’t realize or acknowledge it. That said stop crying and show up when it matters most? Like getting the Sixers past rd 2 for once

[Real Men Wear Green]

I wouldn't say definately but he is ranked ahead of Shaq in more categories than you would care to acknowledge.

Shaq is 31st in PPG, Joel is 4th
Shaq is 72nd in Shooting percentage, Joel is 19th

Though that has more to a generation of fanboys who are to caught up in their own childhood to see Shaq for what he really was.

But it's okay I forgive you for being so emotional about this.
Anyone worth any sense that saw both of their careers would not even compare Embiid to Shaq. There is a big difference between stat dominance and real dominance. Shaq would not be getting stopped in the playoffs by Al Horford. Shaq is an all-time great. Embiid is not.

[fourkicks44]

Shaq won 3 straight rings in 4 finals appearances. That’s a category Embiid can’t talk about. I will say Embiid has played through injuries where many don’t realize or acknowledge it. That said stop crying and show up when it matters most? Like getting the Sixers past rd 2 for once

Fair assement.

But give Shaq Ben Simmons and give Embiid Kobe and the conversation would be much different.

[GOBB]

Fair assement.

But give Shaq Ben Simmons and give Embiid Kobe and the conversation would be much different.

I think we would be talking about it being Kobe team and not Embiid. Whereas it was vice versa.

[tpols]

Fair assement.

But give Shaq Ben Simmons and give Embiid Kobe and the conversation would be much different.

The 2019 Sixers were loaded way past that. Yall had prime peak Jimmy Butler. Who led the Sixers in scoring by a lot vs Toronto. Embiid had the worst shooting % of the entire starting lineup and they lost by an inch.

Thats on your boy. Simmons wasnt 2nd option. Jimmy Butler was. And hes proven to be a batman level player in the playoffs big time.

[Im Still Ballin]

Simmons-Reddick-Butler-Harris-Embiid (2019) was, statistically speaking, the best starting lineup in the NBA. Terrible spacing/three-point shooting was compensated for with elite defense, rebounding, and foul-drawing.

Regular season:
- 161 minutes
- 121.9 ORtg; 102.5 DRtg; +19.4 NRtg

Playoffs:
- 173 minutes (5th)
- 115.0 ORtg; 90.3 DRtg; +24.7 NRtg

[fourkicks44]

The 2019 Sixers were loaded way past that. Yall had prime peak Jimmy Butler. Who led the Sixers in scoring by a lot vs Toronto. Embiid had the worst shooting % of the entire starting lineup and they lost by an inch.

Thats on your boy. Simmons wasnt 2nd option. Jimmy Butler was. And hes proven to be a batman level player in the playoffs big time.

That team played together for less than a season and lost on a buzzer beater in game 7 on a the road to a higher seed.

[tontoz]

That team played together for less than a season and lost on a buzzer beater in game 7 on a the road to a higher seed.

How did Embiid do in that series? Game 7?

[fourkicks44]

How did Embiid do in that series? Game 7?

Are we seriously trying draw comparisons to Embiid's 3rd year in the league and the 2019 Sixers with the Kobe and Shaq Lakers' dynasty?

What are we doing here people? Is this what this forum has become :oldlol:

[tontoz]

Are we seriously trying draw comparisons to Embiid's 3rd year in the league and the 2019 Sixers with the Kobe and Shaq Lakers' dynasty?

What are we doing here people? Is this what this forum has become :oldlol:


Actually i am just comparing how Embiid did in that series vs how he did in the regular season. :confusedshrug:

Embiid was 24 that season. At that point Kobe already had 3 rings.

[ralph_i_el]

Are we seriously trying draw comparisons to Embiid's 3rd year in the league and the 2019 Sixers with the Kobe and Shaq Lakers' dynasty?

What are we doing here people? Is this what this forum has become :oldlol:

5th year in the league. Or was he doing absolutely no training/film/skills during his first 2 rehab years?

At age 30, Shaq had 5 season where he had played more games than Embiid's most available season. He had 3 seasons with a higher on/off +/- than Embiid's best season.

At age 30, Shaq had 3 seasons with a higher TS+ (True shooting relative to the league's true shooting for the year) than Embiid's highest season.

Also, you could just watch the game. Embiid can be a ball-stopper. He does not process the game at an elite speed. This matters.

[Kblaze8855]

Actually i am just comparing how Embiid did in that series vs how he did in the regular season. :confusedshrug:

Embiid was 24 that season. At that point Kobe already had 3 rings.


when you go down the list of other teams second scorers and the best you find are Peja , Glenn Robinson, Michael Finley, and Antoine Walker I really do understand why so many other stars from that era are salty about shaq and Kobe playing together

[fourkicks44]

5th year in the league. Or was he doing absolutely no training/film/skills during his first 2 rehab years?

At age 30, Shaq had 5 season where he had played more games than Embiid's most available season. He had 3 seasons with a higher on/off +/- than Embiid's best season.

At age 30, Shaq had 3 seasons with a higher TS+ (True shooting relative to the league's true shooting for the year) than Embiid's highest season.

Also, you could just watch the game. Embiid can be a ball-stopper. He does not process the game at an elite speed. This matters.

Did you read the whole article?

I think it's pretty obvious who didn't ITT. People just coming in with prior opinions here. Which is whatever and to be expected.

I recommend everybody reads it as it has some pretty rare and crazy insights into Embiid's life and career. Its neither a puff piece or hit piece.