Even with hindsight, I’m not sure the Bulls should’ve preferred Kobe to Pau.

[Kblaze8855]

Kobe for Deng, Gordon, Noah and Tyrus Thomas just gives us something between a six seed and a decent record pretender. if we get to keep two of those guys in a Gasol trade, the team is as good or better short term. The hindsight part reduces Thomas‘s value and even then we knew he was an athletic knucklehead, but sometimes guys like that turn into Tyson Chandler. That’s why he could be a centerpiece of a star trade in the first place.

Kobe maybe wouldn’t be worth the prime version of all those people at their best for an extended period but Deng peaked around then and so did Gordon and Noah didn’t peak for five or six years. That’s what makes it a thinker. He’s “better” of course but that doesn’t mean the 06 lakers are worse with those 3 in their primes and no Kobe.

it just feeeels Like Kobe would be the choice to a lot of people and sure Kobe plus Kirk and Nocioni would’ve been terrorists on the perimeter And helped by washed Ben they would definitely have been a great defense…

but if I can pick a couple of those to keep to help out Pau? Pau was winning 50 games out west on a team that had James Posey as the second option before Posey went to be the eighth leading scorer on a good team.

in the east with a better team?

I don’t know. I maintain I was well within my rights to not be excited about that Kobe package If we could’ve gotten Pau for half of it.

[Carbine]

Not winning with Pau as #1 guy in that era anyways. May as well just take Kobe and enjoy watching him on your team every night during his prime years.

[IllegalD]

Not winning with Pau as #1 guy in that era anyways. May as well just take Kobe and enjoy watching him on your team every night during his prime years.

Exactly. Imagine telling a GM this and trying to convince him to take Pau over Kobe. :lol

With Kobe you got your proven #1 guy. You don't know how things will play out eventually if some crazy opportunity to trade for a legit 2nd star happens and now you're an instant contender in the historically sh*t East.

Dude trying too hard to be this "out of the box deep NBA thinker" and just embarrassed himself.

But hey, I guess he felt the need to jump on the recent anti-Kobe slander that's been popular in the last month or so.

[Kblaze8855]

Exactly. Imagine telling a GM this and trying to convince him to take Pau over Kobe. :lol

With Kobe you got your proven #1 guy. You don't know how things will play out eventually if some crazy opportunity to trade for a legit 2nd star happens and now you're an instant contender in the historically sh*t East.

Dude trying too hard to be this "out of the box deep NBA thinker" and just embarrassed himself.

But hey, I guess he felt the need to jump on the recent anti-Kobe slander that's been popular in the last month or so.

is the exact same discussion we had at the time. Didn’t see the appeal of being McGrady‘s magic or what the Lakers had been the previous few years.


If the Lakers want your four best players which was the report they were telling teams to offer what’s the point of becoming the same kind of team Kobe is demanding a trade from except you wouldn’t even have a Lamar Odom left on it?

[Kblaze8855]

Not winning with Pau as #1 guy in that era anyways. May as well just take Kobe and enjoy watching him on your team every night during his prime years.

I suppose it depends on what you enjoy. I would like to watch Kobe on McGrady or Vince, Carter, Grant Hill, or Iverson. They’re entertaining players. But on a bad team? You’re just remembering highlights. I don’t know if it feels like the good old days or anything.

I suppose it depends what type of Owner you have. Some want to win the press conference and get attention. Some want the best team you can manage regardless. Some just own the team as an investment.

This feels like one of those things that wouldn’t really be left up to the GM.

[tpols]

Youre not giving those Grizzly teams their proper credit. Pau was averageing like 19/10 with average defense. Thats not a big carry job at all. Those teams were deep, tough, and HOF well coached. Pau wouldn't have done jack shit in Chicago with no help.

Hubie Brown was probably more important to Memphis success than Gasol. The team turned around after hiring him and he won COTY.

[Kblaze8855]

He was in the playoffs against Duncan’s spurs with a 12ppg 40% shooting second option and his point who was probably the second most important player doing 11/5 on 33%. They won 50 games in the west. As much as I’ve seen you shit on the east of that time do you find it unlikely they win 55 or more in the east?

Carrying a team isn’t all about numbers. That team would’ve had absolutely nothing to depend on without Pau. They could win a few games like any group of 12 NBA players can win a few games. Especially as Mike Miller and Shane Battier improved. But the roster they had Is the kind of team you just tank and try to find someone worth leading it. You don’t just send James Posey out there to be your teams leading scorer on purpose.

They had the kind of lineup stars demand a trade to get away from if they can’t add another guy.

Kobe wouldn’t have accepted a team like Memphis and I don’t see why he would accept the team like Chicago. Lamar Odom at least felt like somebody you might be able to get something done with. Kobe isn’t going out there with James Posey as his other guy and keeping his mouth shut about it, wasting his prime.

if the Lakers gave Kobe that lineup, all we would hear about is how they failed him. And it would largely be true.

[tpols]

Its like taking Sengun over SGA or something. The Rockets dont have a lot of star power on offense, but they built a 50+ win season off defense, coaching, and hustle. Same exact thing the Grizzlies won 50 with. But I'm not taking sengun over SGA.

[ShawkFactory]

Its like taking Sengun over SGA or something. The Rockets dont have a lot of star power on offense, but they built a 50+ win season off defense, coaching, and hustle. Same exact thing the Grizzlies won 50 with. But I'm not taking sengun over SGA.

For some reason you seem to be disregarding the price difference between the two. That's heavily baked into the conversation...

[Hey Yo]

Exactly. Imagine telling a GM this and trying to convince him to take Pau over Kobe. :lol

With Kobe you got your proven #1 guy. You don't know how things will play out eventually if some crazy opportunity to trade for a legit 2nd star happens and now you're an instant contender in the historically sh*t East.

Dude trying too hard to be this "out of the box deep NBA thinker" and just embarrassed himself.

But hey, I guess he felt the need to jump on the recent anti-Kobe slander that's been popular in the last month or so.

How was Kobe a proven #1 guy? He led LA to missing the playoffs and then b2b first round exits which led to him publicly demanding to be traded.

[Carbine]

What kind of post is this? ^

Holy sweet merciful **** that is bad. What did he prove to be a #1 guy? What????

[Kblaze8855]

Its like taking Sengun over SGA or something. The Rockets dont have a lot of star power on offense, but they built a 50+ win season off defense, coaching, and hustle. Same exact thing the Grizzlies won 50 with. But I'm not taking sengun over SGA.

And nobody is taking Gasol over Kobe. The issue is how good a team would be trading 4 players for Kobe vs 2 players for a lesser star.

Its obviously case by case.

[IllegalD]

How was Kobe a proven #1 guy? He led LA to missing the playoffs and then b2b first round exits which led to him publicly demanding to be traded.

Please ignore this homosexual.

[Hey Yo]

What kind of post is this? ^

Holy sweet merciful **** that is bad. What did he prove to be a #1 guy? What????

From 2005 to 2007 how did prove he was a number one guy? High individual scoring didn't lead LA to anything but first round exits.

[Hey Yo]

Please ignore this homosexual.

Sorry the truth hurts ya, fish boy.

[tpols]

And nobody is taking Gasol over Kobe. The issue is how good a team would be trading 4 players for Kobe vs 2 players for a lesser star.

Its obviously case by case.


When you add Kobe you not only get the player, but also the game on top of it mother****er.

Its a spiritual experience. Winning. Culture. Thirst. What you know about that...?

What price tag you put on that big guy?

[Carbine]

Kbaldo thinks you can build a champion around Pau + two to three decent players. He is of course delusional.

Pau gave the Bulls a near peak Pau season in '14

He was second team all NBA doing about the numbers he was in LA with a little less efficiency. He actually had his best rebounding season with Chicago though.

He had Jimmy Butler and Rose giving him 17-20 PPG help along with role players like Noah, Taj Gibson, Brooks, Dunleavy.

That team got 50 wins and served a complimentary second round exit.

We seen this shit KBald. It wasn't anything special.

I'll take watching Kobe for his peak. That's something worth tuning in for. And it's Chicago.... Not unfathomable to get another all star to join Kobe. Chicago is a huge market with basketball tradition.

In conclusion, **** off Kblaze

[tpols]

Kbaldo thinks you can build a champion around Pau + two to three decent players. He is of course delusional.

Pau gave the Bulls a near peak Pau season in '14

He was second team all NBA doing about the numbers he was in LA with a little less efficiency. He actually had his best rebounding season with Chicago though.

He had Jimmy Butler and Rose giving him 17-20 PPG help along with role players like Noah, Taj Gibson, Brooks, Dunleavy.

That team got 50 wins and served a complimentary second round exit.

We seen this shit KBald. It wasn't anything special.

I'll take watching Kobe for his peak. That's something worth tuning in for. And it's Chicago.... Not unfathomable to get another all star to join Kobe. Chicago is a huge market with basketball tradition.

In conclusion, **** off Kblaze

Its kind of shocking that Kblaze given all his breadth of knowledge doesn't realize the intangible impact Kobe has on winning.

We get the player stuff even though he is much better... but its something beyond that. A lot of pros treat it like its a job. Kobe made it a mission. A purpose in life. Sounds corny but its real. You can't stop that motor or spirit. Its invaluable.