New York Times 100 Top Movies of the 21st Century

[1987_Lakers]

The New York Times compiled a list of the 100 greatest movies of the 21st century. More than 500 filmmakers, stars and influential film fans were asked to vote for the 10 best movies (however they chose to define that) released since Jan. 1, 2000. Perusing some of the individual ballots reveals a wide variety of choices and tastes and often precious little overlap. Still, from all that data a ranked list of 100 was compiled.

01. Parasite (Bong Joon Ho)
02. Mulholland Drive (David Lynch)
03. There Will Be Blood (Paul Thomas Anderson)
04. In the Mood For Love (Wong Kar Wai)
05. Moonlight (Barry Jenkins)
06. No Country For Old Men (Joel & Ethan Coen)
07. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (Michel Gondry)
08. Get Out (Jordan Peele)
09. Spirited Away (Hayao Miyazaki)
10. The Social Network (David Fincher)
11. Mad Max: Fury Road (George Miller)
12. The Zone of Interest (Jonathan Glazer)
13. Children of Men (Alfonso Cuaron)
14. Inglourious Basterds (Quentin Tarantino)
15. City of God (Fernando Meirelles)
16. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (Ang Lee)
17. Brokeback Mountain (Ang Lee)
18. Y Tu Mama Tambien (Alfonso Cuaron)
19. Zodiac (David Fincher)
20. The Wolf of Wall Street (Martin Scorsese)
21. The Royal Tenenbaums (Wes Anderson)
22. The Grand Budapest Hotel (Wes Anderson)
23. Boyhood (Richard Linklater)
24. Her (Spike Jonze)
25. Phantom Thread (Paul Thomas Anderson)
26. Anatomy of a Fall (Justine Triet)
27. Adaptation (Spike Jonze)
28. The Dark Knight (Christopher Nolan)
29. Arrival (Denis Villeneuve)
30. Lost in Translation (Sofia Coppola)
31. The Departed (Martin Scorsese)
32. Bridesmaids (Paul Feig)
33. A Separation (Asghar Farhadi)
34. WALL-E Andrew Stanton)
35. A Prophet (Jacques Audiard)
36. A Serious Man (Joel & Ethan Coen)
37. Call Me By Your Name (Luca Guadagnino)
38. Portrait of A Lady on Fire (Celine Sciamma)
39. Lady Bird (Greta Gerwig)
40. Yi Yi (Edward Yang)
41. Amelie (Jean-Pierre Jeunet)
42. The Master (Paul Thomas Anderson)
43. Oldboy (Park Chan-wook)
44. Once Upon A Time in Hollywood (Quentin Tarantino)
45. Moneyball (Bennett Miller)
46. ROMA (Alfonso Cuaron)
47. Almost Famous (Cameron Crowe)
48. The Lives of Others (Florian Henckel Von Donnersmarck)
49. Before Sunset (Richard Linklater)
50. Up! (Pete Docter)
51. 12 Years A Slave (Steve McQueen)
52. The Favourite (Yorgos Lanthimos)
53. Borat (Larry Charles)
54. Pan’s Labyrinth (Guillermo Del Toro)
55. Inception (Christopher Nolan)
56. Punch-Drunk Love (Paul Thomas Anderson)
57. Best in Show (Christopher Guest)
58. Uncut Gems (Josh and Benny Safdie)
59. Toni Erdmann (Maren Ade)
60. Whiplash (Damien Chazelle)
61. Kill Bill Vol. 1 (Quentin Tarantino)
62. Memento (Christopher Nolan)
63. Little Miss Sunshine (Dayton & Faris)
64. Gone Girl (David Fincher)
65. Oppenheimer (Christopher Nolan)
66. Spotlight (Tom McCarthy)
67. TAR (Todd Field)
68. The Hurt Locker (Kathryn Bigelow)
69. Under The Skin (Jonathan Glazer)
70. Let The Right One In (Tomas Alfredson)
71. Ocean’s Eleven (Steven Soderbergh)
72. Carol (Todd Haynes)
73. Ratatouille (Brad Bird)
74. The Florida Project (Sean Baker)
75. Amour (Michael Haneke)
76. O Brother, Where Art Thou (Joel & Ethan Coen)
77. Everything Everywhere All At Once (The Daniels)
78. Aftersun (Charlotte Wells)
79. Tree of Life (Terrence Malick)
80. Volver (Pedro Almodovar)
81. Black Swan (Darren Aronofsky)
82. The Act of Killing (Joshua Oppenheimer)
83. Inside Llewyn Davis (Joel & Ethan Coen)
84. Melancholia (Lars Von Trier)
85. Anchorman (Adam McKay)
86. Past Lives (Celine Song)
87. The Fellowship of the Ring (Peter Jackson)
88. The Gleaners and I (Agnes Varda)
89. Interstellar (Christopher Nolan)
90. Frances Ha (Noah Baumbach)
91. Fish Tank (Andrea Arnold)
92. Gladiator (Ridley Scott)
93. Michael Clayton (Tony Gilroy)
94. Minority Report (Steven Spielberg)
95. The Worst Person in the World (Joachim Trier)
96. Black Panther (Ryan Coogler)
97. Gravity (Alfonso Cuaron)
98. Grizzly Man (Werner Herzog)
99. Memories of A Murder (Bong Joon-ho)
100. Superbad (Greg Motolla)

[highwhey]

how is interstellar at 88? wtf

and parasite was good, but nowhere close to #1 of the century.

anyone not on drugs knows the list is a joke. christopher nolan is the best director of this century thus far though.

[ShawkFactory]

how is interstellar at 88? wtf

and parasite was good, but nowhere close to #1 of the century.

anyone not on drugs knows the list is a joke. christopher nolan is the best director of this century thus far though.

It appears to be a list compiled with data from other filmmakers and cinephiles. You can disagree but it’s certainly not a joke. They often look for different things in a film than people who just watch movies to be purely entertained.

[1987_Lakers]

how is interstellar at 88? wtf

and parasite was good, but nowhere close to #1 of the century.

anyone not on drugs knows the list is a joke. christopher nolan is the best director of this century thus far though.

Idk, I think Parasite & There Will Be Blood for great arguments for #1. Interstellar is way too low, I agree.

They put "Y Tu Mama Tambien", but I think "Amores Perros" was a better Mexican movie.

I think Gone Girl should have made this list. I loved that movie when it came out.

Edit: Gone Girl did make the list, didn't see it somehow.

[highwhey]

It appears to be a list compiled with data from other filmmakers and cinephiles. You can disagree but it’s certainly not a joke. They often look for different things in a film than people who just watch movies to be purely entertained.

shit be a joke bruh.

i would go into further detail but i'm not autistic like jstern.

[highwhey]

Idk, I think Parasite & There Will Be Blood for great arguments for #1. Interstellar is way too low, I agree.

They put "Y Tu Mama Tambien", but I think "Amores Perros" was a better Mexican movie.

I think Gone Girl should have made this list. I loved that movie when it came out.

there will be blood has top 10 placement for sure. and i agree about amores perros being better than y tu mama tambien although both are great films.

i have a hard time understanding what the criteria is in the first place. interstellar is top 50 for sure, i think maybe top 25 given how amazing the score is, the visuals and storyline.

[ShawkFactory]

shit be a joke bruh.

i would go into further detail but i'm not autistic like jstern.

I mean you’re entitled to your opinion :lol

Glad to see Zone of Interest so high. Almost nobody talked about it because of Oppenheimer/Barbie but I thought it was the best movie of the year, and the year was stacked.

[SouBeachTalents]

5 best movies off the top of my head that didn't make the list

Training Day
Collateral
Hot Fuzz
Donnie Darko
28 Days Later

[1987_Lakers]

5 best movies off the top of my head that didn't make the list

Training Day
Collateral


Get rid of Moonlight & Brokeback for these movies.

https://media1.tenor.com/m/NuH5ZBHKIGQAAAAC/funny-gay.gif

[1987_Lakers]

I think Sideways should have made the list. I thought this movie was going to suck ass from the looks of it, but I was laughing my ass off and really enjoyed the story.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPKdHP8zWuo

[ShawkFactory]

Best movie not on here has to be The Pianist.

[GOBB]

I stopped at Parasite. Trash list

[ArbitraryWater]

Parasite?! A gimmick movie? :roll:


They wanna humiliate Americans putting a foreign movie at 1.

Get Out is a decent horror movie, what the **** is it doing at 8th best movie of the century?


You could only make that claim if you make that movie political/see some "deep meaning" in it.

This list is designed to demoralize.

[1987_Lakers]

I'm surprised at the hate for Parasite, calling it a gimmick movie is wild.

You can call "everything everywhere all at once" a gimmick movie, but not Parasite.

[ShawkFactory]

I'm surprised at the hate for Parasite, calling it a gimmick movie is wild.

You can call "everything everywhere all at once" a gimmick movie, but not Parasite.

Agreed on Parasite. I think it's almost a perfect film.

It's better on second watch too.

[Off the Court]

I guess I need to see Parasite then.

Also need to see Get Out.


Honestly this list is making me realize I'm just not that big of a film buff.

[1987_Lakers]

I guess I need to see Parasite then.

Also need to see Get Out.


Honestly this list is making me realize I'm just not that big of a film buff.

Get Out is very good, but I don't think it's anywhere near top 10 in the last 25 years. :lol

I actually saw that movie in theaters when it came out.

[Gudo]

Damn. I've only seen 23 of these.

[ArbitraryWater]

Ive seen 31.

[ArbitraryWater]

Everyone say how many theyve seen this is fun

[SouBeachTalents]

I've seen 27. Admittedly, after the early 2010's I almost completely tuned out of following/going to the movies.

[Phoenix]

I won't pretend like I've seen even half of these movies( shit, not even quarter if I'm being honest), so I'm not putting any stock in their rankings, but only one Lord of the Rings movie being on the list and way down at #87 seems crazy to me.

[ShawkFactory]

Seen 71 of these.

[Baller234]

Very woke, try hard list. Get Out top 10?? B or B+ horror movie at best. Clearly giving it the boost because of it's "political messaging". Meanwhile Get Out is a movie about white liberals fetishizing blacks and harvesting them for their own gain.

That's why I laugh when people accuse black conservatives of being in "the sunken place". Lol you might wanna watch that movie again buddy. The evil white people in that movie are admittedly left wing democrats. You're the one in the sunken place.

[TheMan]

Movies I would include that didn't make this list...The Revenant, The VVitch, Hereditary, Nosferatu,Training Day and The Thin Red Line.

I've watched 37 of those 100 flicks

Edit; The Thin Red Line was from 1998, I could have sworn it was a 2000s film lol...I'll add Django Unchained then.

[TheMan]

Very woke, try hard list. Get Out top 10?? B or B+ horror movie at best. Clearly giving it the boost because of it's "political messaging". Meanwhile Get Out is a movie about white liberals fetishizing blacks and harvesting them for their own gain.

That's why I laugh when people accuse black conservatives of being in "the sunken place". Lol you might wanna watch that movie again buddy. The evil white people in that movie are admittedly left wing democrats. You're the one in the sunken place.

Absolutely everything in your life is about politics lol

[1987_Lakers]

Seen 71 of these.

You win, I’ve only seen around 50 of them.

[Baller234]

Absolutely everything in your life is about politics lol

It's not me, it's you guys on the left.

You guys can't even make a list of movies without getting political. Otherwise a mid movie like "Get Out" wouldn't be ranked 8th best film of the 21st century.


edit: Oh wow I just saw that Black Panther is on the list too. :oldlol:

[Baller234]

Best movie not on here has to be Ex Machina.

Fixed.

[1987_Lakers]

The Act of Killing which is #82 on the list is one of the craziest documentaries I have seen.

Basically follows mass murderers around who reenact their mass-killings. In one of the scenes, the killer finally starts to get introspective/emotional and realizes he did lots of wrong in his life.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtohoaz7J_M

That scene always stuck with me.

[ShawkFactory]

It's not me, it's you guys on the left.

You guys can't even make a list of movies without getting political. Otherwise a mid movie like "Get Out" wouldn't be ranked 8th best film of the 21st century.


edit: Oh wow I just saw that Black Panther is on the list too. :oldlol:

Get out is a very good movie. Extremely unique both in perspective and genre fluidity.

Is #8 probably too high? Perhaps. But you’re the only one that it really seems to bother. Hence the call-out.

[ArbitraryWater]

Absolutely everything in your life is about politics lol

The fact you cant see this list is a political statement says it all about you.


They made Parasite 1 and Get Out one of the 10 best movies of the century.

They can do whatever they want with chumps like you. 0 backbone 0 resistance.

[ShawkFactory]

The fact you cant see this list is a political statement says it all about you.


They made Parasite 1 and Get Out one of the 10 best movies of the century.

They can do whatever they want with chumps like you. 0 backbone 0 resistance.

Could you explain both the gimmickry and political natural of Parasite?

Is it just that it’s a Korean movie? Genuinely curious.

[Meticode]

I wonder how this list was formed because it's garbage.

[ArbitraryWater]

Could you explain both the gimmickry and political natural of Parasite?

Is it just that it’s a Korean movie? Genuinely curious.

Did you not see the movie? Evil whitey is rebelled against and theyre slaughtered in their own home.

[ArbitraryWater]

I wonder how this list was formed because it's garbage.


:oldlol:

[ShawkFactory]

Did you not see the movie? Evil whitey is rebelled against and theyre slaughtered in their own home.

Umm..did YOU see the movie? :lol

[ArbitraryWater]

Umm..did YOU see the movie? :lol

Constructive stuff, as usual.

[ShawkFactory]

Constructive stuff, as usual.

I asked because your description of it was elementary at best, and completely missing the point at worst.

[ArbitraryWater]

I asked because your description of it was elementary at best, and completely missing the point at worst.

Great rebuttal, as usual :lol

[ShawkFactory]

Great rebuttal, as usual :lol

How am I supposed to rebut something that doesn't make sense?

For starters:


Evil whitey

Everyone in this movie is Korean :lol

Race is not a discussion at all.

So yea...I harken back to asking if you've seen the film. It just seems like you might not have or where on your phone or something. A difficult way to comprehend a foreign language film.

[rmt]

Parasite? Ridiculous - and this is coming from a HUGE k-drama fan.

Absolute crap list compared to a 20th century one.

[rmt]

And Black Panther gets a nod over any of the Avenger movies - what DEI nonsense.

[ArbitraryWater]

How am I supposed to rebut something that doesn't make sense?

For starters:



Everyone in this movie is Korean :lol

Race is not a discussion at all.

So yea...I harken back to asking if you've seen the film. It just seems like you might not have or where on your phone or something. A difficult way to comprehend a foreign language film.

The family owning the house is clearly representative of (white) power structure, the movie glorifies revenging your supposed oppressor.

But yea tell me more about the deep meaning Im missing.

No wonder intellect is going down if a shock gore movie like that with no purpose but glorifying violence appeals to so many as some deep movie :facepalm

[ShawkFactory]

The family owning the house is clearly representative of (white) power structure, the movie glorifies revenging your supposed oppressor.

But yea tell me more about the deep meaning Im missing.

No wonder intellect is going down if a shock gore movie like that with no purpose but glorifying violence appeals to so many as some deep movie :facepalm

Genuine question: do you care? If I actually take the time to do that will you give a shit or just continue to hold the same "analysis" of it that you currently do?

[ArbitraryWater]

Genuine question: do you care? If I actually take the time to do that will you give a shit or just continue to hold the same "analysis" of it that you currently do?

I care. The movie is very well rated and Ive had few movies Im so confused by the high rating by.

It just felt utterly pointless. A lot of hyped and then awarded movies are just liked by sheep who go along with everything. But maybe theres more to it. So yeah, tell me what you saw in it.

[Baller234]

Get out is a very good movie. Extremely unique both in perspective and genre fluidity.

Is #8 probably too high? Perhaps. But you’re the only one that it really seems to bother. Hence the call-out.

Dude come on. It's a decent horror/suspense movie but it shouldn't be included on a list like this, let alone the top 10.

I could've picked apart more films on the list but your eyes go to the top 10 first and including Get Out just feels like a really bad try hard choice. Only someone interested in virtue signaling or making a political statement would ever think to rank the film that high.

[Baller234]

And Black Panther gets a nod over any of the Avenger movies - what DEI nonsense.

In reality I don't think there's a single comic book or superhero movie this century that was truly "great".

Avengers is a great blockbuster type movie and fun time, but I wouldn't call it a great film. Dark Knight is legendary because of Heath Ledger, but again I wouldn't call it a great film. Not sure if those movies really deserve this level of adulation.

Black Panther being on the list is just the icing on the cake though.

[1987_Lakers]

In reality I don't think there's a single comic book or superhero movie this century that was truly "great".

Avengers is a great blockbuster type movie and fun time, but I wouldn't call it a great film. Dark Knight is legendary because of Heath Ledger, but again I wouldn't call it a great film. Not sure if those movies really deserve this level of adulation.

Black Panther being on the list is just the icing on the cake though.

Dark Knight is the only superhero movie that should be on the list.

[ShawkFactory]

I care. The movie is very well rated and Ive had few movies Im so confused by the high rating by.

It just felt utterly pointless. A lot of hyped and then awarded movies are just liked by sheep who go along with everything. But maybe theres more to it. So yeah, tell me what you saw in it.

Fair enough. I'll do this without being snarky then.


The family owning the house is clearly representative of (white) power structure

For starters, this is just incorrect. There is no racial angle to this movie whatsoever. This is purely a commentary on classicism and the potential pitfalls when this type of wealth inequality exists, especially in such close quarters as the two families are in in this film (the mansion is above a basement bungalow that the entire poor family lives in). And also pitfalls of certain tactics people can utilize to achieve such status.

I don't think there are any heroes or villains here, as both sides are looked at with a fairly objective lens.

The rich family is looked at as corrupted and almost wholly lacking in empathy, to a level of ignorance as to the struggles of people around them that don't live like they do. There are many nuances that describe this, but a couple of examples would be the wife commenting on the smell of one of the others without knowing what they had gone through that contributed to it. Another is the storm: the rich family enjoyed it and commented on how much they needed the rain (despite the elaborate sprinkler system in their yard), but unbeknownst to them the entire poor family's home was flooded below.

The poor family, on the other hand, is looked at as desperate to the point of being willing to deceive (and ultimately act violent), i.e. their plan that makes up the major plot of the movie. They are willing to lie and steal in an attempt to be more like the rich family. There is also ignorance on their end to, as they are unaware that their moral corruptions will to their own downfall as well, marking their entire plight of rising up the ranks socially as futile.

The violent outburst at the end is a culmination of everything above. The lack of empathy and awareness further angering those below, mixed with the desperation and frustration of the poor family realizing they will never be what they aspire to, leads to an explosion.

This outburst isn't glorified in the slightest though. Looking at it from the perspective of the poor father, in his deceptive attempts to bring his family out of poverty he has had his daughter killed, his wife arrested, and young son detained and he himself has been trapped in a subterranean bunker indefinitely. So this fragile and futile house of cards that he'd built comes crashing down in spectacular fashion, as his life becomes far more fvcked up than it even was before.

So having said that, to me it isn't at all about championing oppressed people to rise up against their oppressors. It's more commenting on what people can be capable of when they spend years festering in frustration (some of it justified), desperation, and jealousy.

On top of that it's beautifully shot, narratively smooth with subtle layers being peeled back in each scene, and darkly humorous. Great movie IMO.

[ShawkFactory]

I care. The movie is very well rated and Ive had few movies Im so confused by the high rating by.

It just felt utterly pointless. A lot of hyped and then awarded movies are just liked by sheep who go along with everything. But maybe theres more to it. So yeah, tell me what you saw in it.

Fair enough. I'll do this without being snarky then.


The family owning the house is clearly representative of (white) power structure

For starters, this is just incorrect. There is no racial angle to this movie whatsoever. This is purely a commentary on classicism and the potential pitfalls when this type of wealth inequality exists, especially in such close quarters as the two families are in in this film (the mansion is above a basement bungalow that the entire poor family lives in). And also pitfalls of certain tactics people can utilize to achieve such status.

I don't think there are any heroes or villains here, as both sides are looked at with a fairly objective lens.

The rich family is looked at as corrupted and almost wholly lacking in empathy, to a level of ignorance as to the struggles of people around them that don't live like they do. There are many nuances that describe this, but a couple of examples would be the wife commenting on the smell of one of the others without knowing what they had gone through that contributed to it. Another is the storm: the rich family enjoyed it and commented on how much they needed the rain (despite the elaborate sprinkler system in their yard), but unbeknownst to them the entire poor family's home was flooded below.

The poor family, on the other hand, is looked at as desperate to the point of being willing to deceive (and ultimately act violent), i.e. their plan that makes up the major plot of the movie. They are willing to lie and steal in an attempt to be more like the rich family. There is also ignorance on their end to, as they are unaware that their moral corruptions will to their own downfall as well, marking their entire plight of rising up the ranks socially as futile.

The violent outburst at the end is a culmination of everything above. The lack of empathy and awareness further angering those below, mixed with the desperation and frustration of the poor family realizing they will never be what they aspire to, leads to an explosion.

This outburst isn't glorified in the slightest though. Looking at it from the perspective of the poor father, in his deceptive attempts to bring his family out of poverty he has had his daughter killed, his wife arrested, and young son detained and he himself has been trapped in a subterranean bunker indefinitely. So this fragile and futile house of cards that he'd built comes crashing down in spectacular fashion, as his life becomes far more fvcked up than it even was before.

So having said that, to me it isn't at all about championing oppressed people to rise up against their oppressors. It's more commenting on what people can be capable of when they spend years festering in frustration (some of it justified), desperation, and jealousy.

On top of that it's beautifully shot, narratively smooth with subtle layers being peeled back in each scene, and darkly humorous. Great movie IMO.

[Hey Yo]

Guy at work said he took his young son to see WALL-E and said it was the stupidest movie he'd ever seen. Said throughout the whole movie you just had people repeating "WALL-E" over and over again.

Also surprised that "In Bruges" didn't make the list.

[Overdrive]

The family owning the house is clearly representative of (white) power structure, the movie glorifies revenging your supposed oppressor.

But yea tell me more about the deep meaning Im missing.

No wonder intellect is going down if a shock gore movie like that with no purpose but glorifying violence appeals to so many as some deep movie :facepalm

Clearly representative of white power structure?

Honest advice: Leave the propaganda loop you're caught in. Stop consuming liberal media outlets by proxy who often act like present day white males are to blame for atrocities of yesteryears and also stop consuming rightwinger propaganda that acts like theres a transnational conspiracy against whites going on. Stop consuming shit - left and right - that makes everything about race. Race isn't our problem.

Koreans mostly don't give a shit about whites and there's no white power structure in south korea. Why should this be an antiwhite agendapiece?

[Off the Court]

The fact you cant see this list is a political statement says it all about you.


They made Parasite 1 and Get Out one of the 10 best movies of the century.

They can do whatever they want with chumps like you. 0 backbone 0 resistance.

It's an arbitrary ranking of movies you stupid f@#k :roll:

Completely subjective and opinion based.

This isn't something you "resist" or hit the streets in protest over. :oldlol:

[Off the Court]

Movies will always have underlying themes, most of which can be translated to politics. They always have and always will. If American History X came out today it would be labeled woke trash. Luckily for it, society wasn't engulfed in tribal politics at the time.

[Baller234]

Movies will always have underlying themes, most of which can be translated to politics. They always have and always will. If American History X came out today it would be labeled woke trash. Luckily for it, society wasn't engulfed in tribal politics at the time.

Maybe we weren't so lucky. Society being blind to the woke infiltration of film and culture is how we got into this mess.

I would argue the reason we have so many woke people to begin with, aside from them being gullible and stupid, is due to 25+ years of social conditioning in media. It was a slow, gradual indoctrination.

I would say the seeds of wokism were planted sometime during the 90's.

[Baller234]

Dark Knight is the only superhero movie that should be on the list.

Heath's Joker is legendary no doubt. The character itself and also his performance.

But I think the movie is really, REALLY overrated. I definitely don't think it's some all time great piece of cinema.

[1987_Lakers]

Heath's Joker is legendary no doubt. The character itself and also his performance.

But I think the movie is really, REALLY overrated. I definitely don't think it's some all time great piece of cinema.

While I agree, I don't think you have to be some all-time great piece of cinema to make a top 100 movies list in the last 25 years. :lol

[TheMan]

The fact you cant see this list is a political statement says it all about you.


They made Parasite 1 and Get Out one of the 10 best movies of the century.

They can do whatever they want with chumps like you. 0 backbone 0 resistance.

You're a conspiracy nut...stay being a useful idiot though.

[Off the Court]

Maybe we weren't so lucky. Society being blind to the woke infiltration of film and culture is how we got into this mess.

I would argue the reason we have so many woke people to begin with, aside from them being gullible and stupid, is due to 25+ years of social conditioning in media. It was a slow, gradual indoctrination.

I would say the seeds of wokism were planted sometime during the 90's.

The little man overcoming the big man is basically every movie ever in a nutshell. It isn't 25+ years, it's all of cinema. And it isn't a mess, humans enjoy seeing the underdog triumph, it is much more entertaining and meaningful than the other way around.

You gotta get over it because that theme isn't going anywhere.

[tpols]

The New York Times compiled a list of the 100 greatest movies of the 21st century. More than 500 filmmakers, stars and influential film fans were asked to vote for the 10 best movies (however they chose to define that) released since Jan. 1, 2000. Perusing some of the individual ballots reveals a wide variety of choices and tastes and often precious little overlap. Still, from all that data a ranked list of 100 was compiled.


06. No Country For Old Men (Joel & Ethan Coen)
14. Inglourious Basterds (Quentin Tarantino)
15. City of God (Fernando Meirelles)
20. The Wolf of Wall Street (Martin Scorsese)
28. The Dark Knight
31. The Departed (Martin Scorsese)
41. Amelie (Jean-Pierre Jeunet)
44. Once Upon A Time in Hollywood (Quentin Tarantino)
45. Moneyball (Bennett Miller)
55. Inception (Christopher Nolan)
62. Memento (Christopher Nolan)
76. O Brother, Where Art Thou (Joel & Ethan Coen)
85. Anchorman (Adam McKay)
87. The Fellowship of the Ring (Peter Jackson)
91. Fish Tank (Andrea Arnold)
92. Gladiator (Ridley Scott)
94. Minority Report (Steven Spielberg)
100. Superbad (Greg Motolla)


These are the ones ive seen.

[Baller234]

The little man overcoming the big man is basically every movie ever in a nutshell. It isn't 25+ years, it's all of cinema. And it isn't a mess, humans enjoy seeing the underdog triumph, it is much more entertaining and meaningful than the other way around.

You gotta get over it because that theme isn't going anywhere.

Wokism has nothing to do something being an underdog story.

[Off the Court]

Wokism has nothing to do something being an underdog story.
It has everything to do with that.

You have someone in this thread who translated Parasite's theme of the lower class overcoming the upper class to woke black and white shit despite the fact that it is a foreign film with all Koreans :oldlol:

[j3lademaster]

It has everything to do with that.

You have someone in this thread who translated Parasite's theme of the lower class overcoming the upper class to woke black and white shit despite the fact that it is a foreign film with all Koreans :oldlol:

What a stupid take lol.

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esZuwmgXRZE

[Baller234]

It has everything to do with that.

You have someone in this thread who translated Parasite's theme of the lower class overcoming the upper class to woke black and white shit despite the fact that it is a foreign film with all Koreans :oldlol:

I haven't seen Parasite so I can't speak on that.

A woke movie is any movie that preaches woke ideals and/or features a woke production element that comes at the expense of the film.

[Off the Court]

I haven't seen Parasite so I can't speak on that.

A woke movie is any movie that preaches woke ideals and/or features a woke production element that comes at the expense of the film.

Any movie where the underdog overcomes can be translated to woke.

If Star Wars came out today you fools would declare it is woke trash about liberal minorities and women overcoming the evil Empire of white men.

[Baller234]

Any movie where the underdog overcomes can be translated to woke.

If Star Wars came out today you fools would declare it is woke trash about liberal minorities and women overcoming the evil Empire of white men.

Your definition of "woke" just shows how ignorant you are. I'm not surprised. One of the symptoms of being woke is lacking self awareness and not realizing that you're woke.

We know the original Star Wars films aren't woke because Disney has done everything in their power to move as far away from them as they can. They consider the old films to be problematic. Practically every decision Disney makes as it relates to new Star Wars material is "How can we make this as totally different from the original films as possible..."

In the original film the imperial bad guys are agnostic and look down on religion, putting their faith in technology and science instead. Meanwhile the rag tag good guys are driven by their religious faith in the force. That would never be the case today. Woke people are mostly atheist and detest religion. That's why in each new series or movie they go out of their way to deconstruct the jedi and make them out to be evil.

The heroes in the old films were also problematic. Leia is a brave woman, but she is also feminine. She is beautiful. She lusts and she craves. Her entire arc in the second film is coming to grips with being able to admit she's in love. That also would never fly today. The female protagonists in Star Wars now are practically defined by how NOT like Leia they are. They're fierce, they know kung fu... and they don't even think about men or romance.

Han Solo is cocky, brash and alpha... and white. Enough said there. None of the male heroes they've created since have come close to his level of cool or swag. The male heroes now are all beta cucks who need to be led around by a more capable woman. The most egregious example being the Obi-Wan series where a 10 year old Leia takes charge and the adult jedi master must constantly defer to her judgement and is pulled along by her strong will.

If the old Star Wars movies are woke, Disney definitely did not get the memo.

[Off the Court]

I'm not going on my definition of woke, I don't think any of this shit is woke at all. I'm going off the "Parasite is Woke" definition presented in here.

And your idea of what movies are allowed to do and not do is :roll:


Han Solo is cocky, brash and alpha... and white. Enough said there. None of the male heroes they've created since have come close to his level of cool or swag.

WTF is Deadpool and Wolverine then? THEY couldn't exist THEN, not the other way around. People's heads would explode :oldlol:


You guys are just idiots with this political shit

[Off the Court]

Speaking of Wolverine


Logan > Dark Knight


should be listed

[Doomsday Dallas]

Sicario needs to be added to the list.

[Off the Court]

Remember when warriorfan said that Brokeback Mountain was the GOAT movie?

I wonder how upset he would be seeing it outside of the top-10 in here.

[j3lademaster]

Your definition of "woke" just shows how ignorant you are. I'm not surprised. One of the symptoms of being woke is lacking self awareness and not realizing that you're woke.

We know the original Star Wars films aren't woke because Disney has done everything in their power to move as far away from them as they can. They consider the old films to be problematic. Practically every decision Disney makes as it relates to new Star Wars material is "How can we make this as totally different from the original films as possible..."

In the original film the imperial bad guys are agnostic and look down on religion, putting their faith in technology and science instead. Meanwhile the rag tag good guys are driven by their religious faith in the force. That would never be the case today. Woke people are mostly atheist and detest religion. That's why in each new series or movie they go out of their way to deconstruct the jedi and make them out to be evil.

The heroes in the old films were also problematic. Leia is a brave woman, but she is also feminine. She is beautiful. She lusts and she craves. Her entire arc in the second film is coming to grips with being able to admit she's in love. That also would never fly today. The female protagonists in Star Wars now are practically defined by how NOT like Leia they are. They're fierce, they know kung fu... and they don't even think about men or romance.

Han Solo is cocky, brash and alpha... and white. Enough said there. None of the male heroes they've created since have come close to his level of cool or swag. The male heroes now are all beta cucks who need to be led around by a more capable woman. The most egregious example being the Obi-Wan series where a 10 year old Leia takes charge and the adult jedi master must constantly defer to her judgement and is pulled along by her strong will.

If the old Star Wars movies are woke, Disney definitely did not get the memo.
The Empire was actually based on Nazis and PalpatineÂ’s rise is meant to mirror HitlerÂ’s. Lucas has disclosed this before. The main message is that democracy is fragile and can easily give way to dictatorship. The rest of the themes arenÂ’t that deep, he took elements from films he liked like Seven Samurai and various westerns to hodgepodge everything into a Space Opera. Nothing wrong with that, it worked and it was fun.

And your characterization of the whole good guys are the Christians and bad guys are the atheists is hilarious considering Palpatine is basically a megachurch pastor.

Finally, Star Wars was written during the Vietnam war and has taken influence from that. ThatÂ’s why the rebels are seen to engage in guerilla warfare against the much larger and well funded empire.

[j3lademaster]

Training Day needs to be on there. And none of ya’ll like Curse of the Black Pearl? Just rewatched it with my daughter and it still holds up.

[SouBeachTalents]

Training Day needs to be on there. And none of ya’ll like Curse of the Black Pearl? Just rewatched it with my daughter and it still holds up.
Training Day was truly the biggest omission, it should've made it just on Denzel's performance alone. Personally, I would've had Collateral there too.

[Off the Court]

Highest rated IMDB not included on the list is The Prestige

probably should be on there.

[Baller234]

The Empire was actually based on Nazis and PalpatineÂ’s rise is meant to mirror HitlerÂ’s. Lucas has disclosed this before. The main message is that democracy is fragile and can easily give way to dictatorship. The rest of the themes arenÂ’t that deep, he took elements from films he liked like Seven Samurai and various westerns to hodgepodge everything into a Space Opera. Nothing wrong with that, it worked and it was fun.

And your characterization of the whole good guys are the Christians and bad guys are the atheists is hilarious considering Palpatine is basically a megachurch pastor.

Finally, Star Wars was written during the Vietnam war and has taken influence from that. ThatÂ’s why the rebels are seen to engage in guerilla warfare against the much larger and well funded empire.

Palpatine was not a dark jedi character in the original film, that was changed for the sequel. In the original film the emperor is referred to as just a regular politician. Darth Vader's role was always changed. In the original he is not a member of the Empire, he is a bounty hunter in their employ. The imperial officers don't respect his so called "religion".

With all due respect I don't care what Lucas says. He's stupid and autistic as well. A mad genius obviously but his views are not gospel. This is the same guy who decided out of the blue that Leia was Luke's sister. Even if he was looking to end the series with a clean break, that decision was pure mental retardation. He's also the same guy who retroactively declared that the force is something in your blood.

Point being, Lucas says a lot of dumb shit. That original film is not political. It's not a movie that appeals to just democrats or just republicans, unlike today's woke Star Wars that's made almost exclusively for woke lesbians and beta boys.

[Off the Court]

Palpatine was not a dark jedi character in the original film, that was changed for the sequel. In the original film the emperor is referred to as just a regular politician. Darth Vader's role was always changed. In the original he is not a member of the Empire, he is a bounty hunter in their employ. The imperial officers don't respect his so called "religion".

With all due respect I don't care what Lucas says. He's stupid and autistic as well. A mad genius obviously but his views are not gospel. This is the same guy who decided out of the blue that Leia was Luke's sister. Even if he was looking to end the series with a clean break, that decision was pure mental retardation. He's also the same guy who retroactively declared that the force is something in your blood.

Point being, Lucas says a lot of dumb shit. That original film is not political. It's not a movie that appeals to just democrats or just republicans, unlike today's woke Star Wars that's made almost exclusively for woke lesbians and beta boys.
If the original were released today you'd say the same damn thing.

C-3PO and R2-D2 would be labeled a gay LGBT Robot couple. The Empire would be WHITE MALE.

[Off the Court]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8f/Emperor_RotJ.png

THIS wasn't a "dark jedi character" ??????


https://i0.wp.com/media3.giphy.com/media/J2DYCDA15pTau86IGr/giphy.gif?ssl=1

[j3lademaster]

Training Day was truly the biggest omission, it should've made it just on Denzel's performance alone. Personally, I would've had Collateral there too.

Collateral is a good one. I feel like Donnie Darko, the Pianist and the Machinist would be shoe-ins; and as someone who isn’t the biggest movie buff I really liked Road to Perdition, John Wick, Edge of Tomorrow, Taken and Midnight in Paris. But I’m not an artsy fartsy guy, I simply judge by what I enjoyed watching I’ll never understand several of these movies that literally put me to sleep. I would have put Undisputed 2 in there over some of these based solely on entertainment value.

[Doomsday Dallas]

The Town is another.

Ben Affleck's greatest career accomplishment after Good Will Hunting.



but they went with Gone Girl instead?

[Doomsday Dallas]

I would consider Creed II as a possibility

Rocky & Creed vs Drago sequel has to be considered.

[Doomsday Dallas]

AVATAR has to be on the list as well.

[j3lademaster]

How did Gangs of New York not make it? I must have missed that on the list.

[ShawkFactory]

How did Gangs of New York not make it? I must have missed that on the list.

Ehhhh. D-Day as Bill The Butcher was incredible of course but without him I’d not really give much mind to that one.

[tpols]

Ehhhh. D-Day as Bill The Butcher was incredible of course but without him I’d not really give much mind to that one.

Gangs of New York was much better than a lot of movies on this list. No training day either means its trash as well. Hell... Man on Fire was better than half these movies.

[1987_Lakers]

Yea, Gangs of New York was good, but I don't remember being blown away from it. Daniel Day was great as always, Leo was annoying as shit, never liked him as an actor until 2006 or so. Man on Fire wasn't that great either.

I enjoyed 25th Hour more than both of those movies, which isn't on the list

Hell, A History of Violence is a very good movie that doesn't get talked about anymore.

[ArbitraryWater]

The Town is another.

Ben Affleck's greatest career accomplishment after Good Will Hunting.



but they went with Gone Girl instead?

more inclusive

[Baller234]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8f/Emperor_RotJ.png

THIS wasn't a "dark jedi character" ??????


https://i0.wp.com/media3.giphy.com/media/J2DYCDA15pTau86IGr/giphy.gif?ssl=1

You might wanna watch that first film again buddy.

[ShawkFactory]

Gangs of New York was much better than a lot of movies on this list. No training day either means its trash as well. Hell... Man on Fire was better than half these movies.

I don’t agree. DDay completely carried it and it was kind of lazy and boring outside of that.

Not Scorsese’s best work at all. One of the GOATs for sure but if that dude didn’t say yes to the part it’s a nothing movie.

[ArbitraryWater]

That reminds me that I have not seen Gangs of New York and There Will Be Blood yet.

[tpols]

I don’t agree. DDay completely carried it and it was kind of lazy and boring outside of that.

Not Scorsese’s best work at all. One of the GOATs for sure but if that dude didn’t say yes to the part it’s a nothing movie.


Of course DDL carried it but thats kind of the point. If you take the superstar off any team they wont be nearly as good. Its like saying the Bulls were great but MJ kind of carried them to that. I mean... yea. That Bill the Butcher character was an all time great movie villain.

[1987_Lakers]

That reminds me that I have not seen Gangs of New York and There Will Be Blood yet.

There Will be Blood is 100x better.

[j3lademaster]

I don’t agree. DDay completely carried it and it was kind of lazy and boring outside of that.

Not Scorsese’s best work at all. One of the GOATs for sure but if that dude didn’t say yes to the part it’s a nothing movie.

You can say this same exact thing with Lebron and the 2018 Cavs, but that’s still comfortably a top 100 team of the 21st century.

[tpols]

Does American Pyscho qualify for this list?

That movie was fcking something else if you didn't know what to expect going in. Extremely unique. The book is even weirder.

[j3lademaster]

Does American Pyscho qualify for this list?

That movie was fcking something else if you didn't know what to expect going in. Extremely unique. The book is even weirder.Technically 'no' because the 21st century starts in 2001, but also... Gladiator and Memento are on here... so idk.

[ShawkFactory]

more inclusive

You’re lame.

[ShawkFactory]

Also…Gladiator to me is one of the more overrated movies ever. Watched it when I was 12 and was of course captivated but watched again as an adult and was completely underwhelmed.

It’s really on the nose and not particularly interesting at all once you’ve already seen it.

[1987_Lakers]

Also…Gladiator to me is one of the more overrated movies ever. Watched it when I was 12 and was of course captivated but watched again as an adult and was completely underwhelmed.

It’s really on the nose and not particularly interesting at all once you’ve already seen it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vJayvD8jPE

[ShawkFactory]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vJayvD8jPE

:roll: :cheers:

Really not a good movie though.

[TheMan]

Yea, Gangs of New York was good, but I don't remember being blown away from it. Daniel Day was great as always, Leo was annoying as shit, never liked him as an actor until 2006 or so. Man on Fire wasn't that great either.

I enjoyed 25th Hour more than both of those movies, which isn't on the list

Hell, A History of Violence is a very good movie that doesn't get talked about anymore.

Big fan of A History Of Violence, very underrated IMO

[1987_Lakers]

Btw, I don't think I've ever seen a movie as trippy as Mulholland Drive which is #2. Such a mind fvck of a movie, even though it's a low budget film it still holds up pretty well.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UozhOo0Dt4o&t

[SouBeachTalents]

Also…Gladiator to me is one of the more overrated movies ever. Watched it when I was 12 and was of course captivated but watched again as an adult and was completely underwhelmed.

It’s really on the nose and not particularly interesting at all once you’ve already seen it.
Gladiator is definitely a good movie, but I 100% feel the same way that you do, I thought it was a masterpiece when I saw it as a kid :lol

The movie I think is probably the most overrated on the list is the Wolf of Wall Street. I won't dispute it's well made and entertaining, but I found it to be an ultimately hollow and extremely one note movie. To me it's essentially look at how crazy these wall street guys are, they do drugs, eat goldfish, toss midgets!

I don't think it should have even made the list, to have it top 20 is a total joke. Even if I concede it's not as well made, I liked Boiler Room better and thought it did a better job actually explaining the scams these firms were running.

[MrFonzworth]

Asian fam can't stop winning

:hammertime::dancin:djparty:dancin:hammertime:

[diamenz]

Also…Gladiator to me is one of the more overrated movies ever. Watched it when I was 12 and was of course captivated but watched again as an adult and was completely underwhelmed.

It’s really on the nose and not particularly interesting at all once you’ve already seen it.

phoenix knocked his role outta the park though. you just love to hate that mother*ucker.

[Baller234]

The movie I think is probably the most overrated on the list is the Wolf of Wall Street. I won't dispute it's well made and entertaining, but I found it to be an ultimately hollow and extremely one note movie. To me it's essentially look at how crazy these wall street guys are, they do drugs, eat goldfish, toss midgets!.

You could say the same about Goodfellas. What profound statement is that film really trying to make? Don't be a gangster?

They're just cautionary tales.

[ShawkFactory]

The Town is another.

Ben Affleck's greatest career accomplishment after Good Will Hunting.



but they went with Gone Girl instead?

It's Fincher. He's your favorite director's favorite director.

[John8204]

01. Parasite (Bong Joon Ho)
02. Mulholland Drive (David Lynch)
03. There Will Be Blood (Paul Thomas Anderson)
04. In the Mood For Love (Wong Kar Wai)
05. Moonlight (Barry Jenkins)
06. No Country For Old Men (Joel & Ethan Coen)
07. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (Michel Gondry)
08. Get Out (Jordan Peele)
09. Spirited Away (Hayao Miyazaki)
10. The Social Network (David Fincher)

Man did they really want to push POC on this list. Not saying those films aren't top 100, but top 10 is a little absurd

11. Mad Max: Fury Road (George Miller)
12. The Zone of Interest (Jonathan Glazer)
13. Children of Men (Alfonso Cuaron)
14. Inglourious Basterds (Quentin Tarantino)
15. City of God (Fernando Meirelles)
16. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (Ang Lee)
17. Brokeback Mountain (Ang Lee)
18. Y Tu Mama Tambien (Alfonso Cuaron)
19. Zodiac (David Fincher)
20. The Wolf of Wall Street (Martin Scorsese)

Putting Cuaron and Lee twice before Nolan is shady as hell. Life of Pi should be Lee's first film on the list.

21. The Royal Tenenbaums (Wes Anderson)
22. The Grand Budapest Hotel (Wes Anderson)
23. Boyhood (Richard Linklater)
24. Her (Spike Jonze)
25. Phantom Thread (Paul Thomas Anderson)
26. Anatomy of a Fall (Justine Triet)
27. Adaptation (Spike Jonze)
28. The Dark Knight (Christopher Nolan)
29. Arrival (Denis Villeneuve)
30. Lost in Translation (Sofia Coppola)

Anatomy of a Fall in the top 30 is insane, also Arrival over Sicaro, Dune. It is nice that they moved on from the 50/50 rule in the top twenty. In a generation defined by animation only 1 in the top 30 is weird.

31. The Departed (Martin Scorsese)
32. Bridesmaids (Paul Feig)
33. A Separation (Asghar Farhadi)
34. WALL-E Andrew Stanton)
35. A Prophet (Jacques Audiard)
36. A Serious Man (Joel & Ethan Coen)
37. Call Me By Your Name (Luca Guadagnino)
38. Portrait of A Lady on Fire (Celine Sciamma)
39. Lady Bird (Greta Gerwig)
40. Yi Yi (Edward Yang)

WallE should be in the top ten but the rest should be much lower on the list.

41. Amelie (Jean-Pierre Jeunet)
42. The Master (Paul Thomas Anderson)
43. Oldboy (Park Chan-wook)
44. Once Upon A Time in Hollywood (Quentin Tarantino)
45. Moneyball (Bennett Miller)
46. ROMA (Alfonso Cuaron)
47. Almost Famous (Cameron Crowe)
48. The Lives of Others (Florian Henckel Von Donnersmarck)
49. Before Sunset (Richard Linklater)
50. Up! (Pete Docter)

Moneyball as a top 50 film is insane, Almost Famous could have been in the top ten. Also Lord of the Rings not in the top 50 but most of Cauron's ouvre is...Innuritu and Villenueve can I guess go f themselves huh.


51. 12 Years A Slave (Steve McQueen)
52. The Favourite (Yorgos Lanthimos)
53. Borat (Larry Charles)
54. Pan’s Labyrinth (Guillermo Del Toro)
55. Inception (Christopher Nolan)
56. Punch-Drunk Love (Paul Thomas Anderson)
57. Best in Show (Christopher Guest)
58. Uncut Gems (Josh and Benny Safdie)
59. Toni Erdmann (Maren Ade)
60. Whiplash (Damien Chazelle)

Well I guess I have to see Toni Erdmann been putting that one off. Whiplash feels really low as does Best in Show. I would not have put Punch Drunk Love and Borat on this list. Crazy Adam Sandler's got two films in the top 60.

61. Kill Bill Vol. 1 (Quentin Tarantino)
62. Memento (Christopher Nolan)
63. Little Miss Sunshine (Dayton & Faris)
64. Gone Girl (David Fincher)
65. Oppenheimer (Christopher Nolan)
66. Spotlight (Tom McCarthy)
67. TAR (Todd Field)
68. The Hurt Locker (Kathryn Bigelow)
69. Under The Skin (Jonathan Glazer)
70. Let The Right One In (Tomas Alfredson)

Might be the best 10 of the group...minus TAR.

71. Ocean’s Eleven (Steven Soderbergh)
72. Carol (Todd Haynes)
73. Ratatouille (Brad Bird)
74. The Florida Project (Sean Baker)
75. Amour (Michael Haneke)
76. O Brother, Where Art Thou (Joel & Ethan Coen)
77. Everything Everywhere All At Once (The Daniels)
78. Aftersun (Charlotte Wells)
79. Tree of Life (Terrence Malick)
80. Volver (Pedro Almodovar)

And this might be the worst...Pedro Almodovar doesn't show up until the 80's. Aftersun does not belong on this list. Amour is a good spot but The White Ribbon could have been 1.

81. Black Swan (Darren Aronofsky)
82. The Act of Killing (Joshua Oppenheimer)
83. Inside Llewyn Davis (Joel & Ethan Coen)
84. Melancholia (Lars Von Trier)
85. Anchorman (Adam McKay)
86. Past Lives (Celine Song)
87. The Fellowship of the Ring (Peter Jackson)
88. The Gleaners and I (Agnes Varda)
89. Interstellar (Christopher Nolan)
90. Frances Ha (Noah Baumbach)

WTF, I get the shame of having Super Hero movies and Harry Potter on this list but LOTR should have been safe not buried all the way down here. Also Agnes Varda made the cut before Innaritu


91. Fish Tank (Andrea Arnold)
92. Gladiator (Ridley Scott)
93. Michael Clayton (Tony Gilroy)
94. Minority Report (Steven Spielberg)
95. The Worst Person in the World (Joachim Trier)
96. Black Panther (Ryan Coogler)
97. Gravity (Alfonso Cuaron)
98. Grizzly Man (Werner Herzog)
99. Memories of A Murder (Bong Joon-ho)
100. Superbad (Greg Motolla)

So they basically wanted to start and end the list with Bong Joon-Ho. Black Panther over Avengers and Spiderman films just no...

So for me the list is 98

[SouBeachTalents]

You could say the same about Goodfellas. What profound statement is that film really trying to make? Don't be a gangster?

They're just cautionary tales.
I'm not saying a movie has to have a message to be great, Wolf of Wall Street's plot just felt gimmicky to me, I got the gist they did outrageous shit very quickly and it just felt repetitive after a while.

GoodFellas is a masterpiece that is literally several tiers better than Wolf of Wall Street, even if I get the point you were trying to make, I don't care for that comparison :lol

[John8204]

Idk, I think Parasite & There Will Be Blood for great arguments for #1. Interstellar is way too low, I agree.

They put "Y Tu Mama Tambien", but I think "Amores Perros" was a better Mexican movie.


This is one of the ten biggest snubs, picking every LGBT option just feels like pandering to me.


I mean you’re entitled to your opinion :lol

Glad to see Zone of Interest so high. Almost nobody talked about it because of Oppenheimer/Barbie but I thought it was the best movie of the year, and the year was stacked.

Once again I think The White Ribbon should have gotten in over Zone of Interest


You win, I’ve only seen around 50 of them.

I'm at 98..so I guess I'll finish this list.


Dark Knight is the only superhero movie that should be on the list.

Certainly over Black Panther and the terrible CGI Rhinos. I would have liked to see them be brave and put Super on the list, but Logan and Deadpool both should have made the cut.



Sicario needs to be added to the list.

Prisoners also and Blade Runner and Dune...really Villeneuve only showing up for Arrival and Lanthimos only showing up for The Favorite reeks of DEI. But Sicario could have made the cut.


Highest rated IMDB not included on the list is The Prestige

probably should be on there.

I agree that's in my top ten from this generation


The Town is another.

Ben Affleck's greatest career accomplishment after Good Will Hunting.

but they went with Gone Girl instead?

Affleck could have been snubbed and I would have been fine with it.


Yea, Gangs of New York was good, but I don't remember being blown away from it. Daniel Day was great as always, Leo was annoying as shit, never liked him as an actor until 2006 or so. Man on Fire wasn't that great either.

I enjoyed 25th Hour more than both of those movies, which isn't on the list

Hell, A History of Violence is a very good movie that doesn't get talked about anymore.

Catch me if you Can belong on this list...Tom Hanks got robbed here, no Road to Perdition or Cast Away either.

Sandler 2 - Hanks 0 figure that one out.

[tpols]

I'm not a fan of the Thanos avengers movies but spiderman and Deadpool actually had substance behind them. Deadpool funny as ****, and Spiderman had a legit plot.

[ArbitraryWater]

You’re lame.

Youre a decent guy.


Also…Gladiator to me is one of the more overrated movies ever. Watched it when I was 12 and was of course captivated but watched again as an adult and was completely underwhelmed.

It’s really on the nose and not particularly interesting at all once you’ve already seen it.

although not very inspirational

[1987_Lakers]

Gladiator is definitely a good movie, but I 100% feel the same way that you do, I thought it was a masterpiece when I saw it as a kid :lol

The movie I think is probably the most overrated on the list is the Wolf of Wall Street. I won't dispute it's well made and entertaining, but I found it to be an ultimately hollow and extremely one note movie. To me it's essentially look at how crazy these wall street guys are, they do drugs, eat goldfish, toss midgets!

I don't think it should have even made the list, to have it top 20 is a total joke. Even if I concede it's not as well made, I liked Boiler Room better and thought it did a better job actually explaining the scams these firms were running.

I loved Wolf on Wall Street when it first came out, but now I see why it gets some hate. All the craziness in that movie does get redundant at some point, I can see people saying the same about Goodfellas, but the craziness really seemed to drag more in Wolf, it's a 3 hour movie after all, longer than Goodfellas. I think the fact that Goodfellas was the first of its kind in terms of face paced/craziness gives it some points, it was the original. When future movies (like Wall Street) tend to copy, it doesn't come off as great.

Casino is basically Goodfellas in many ways, but it wasn't as well received. (Also thought Casino had too much narration)

[SouBeachTalents]

I loved Wolf on Wall Street when it first came out, but now I see why it gets some hate. All the craziness in that movie does get redundant at some point, I can see people saying the same about Goodfellas, but the craziness really seemed to drag more in Wolf, it's a 3 hour movie after all, longer than Goodfellas. I think the fact that Goodfellas was the first of its kind in terms of face paced/craziness gives it some points, it was the original. When future movies (like Wall Street) tend to copy, it doesn't come off as great.

Casino is basically Goodfellas in many ways, but it wasn't as well received. (Also thought Casino had too much narration)
I know they're both Scorsese movies, but I felt like the vibes of the two films couldn't have been more different. Obv there are several crazy things that happen to the characters in GoodFellas, but it really feels like it's genuinely a part of the story, it's not merely for show.

In Wolf of Wall Street it felt like it was all for show, they portrayed everything happening far more as spectacle. And as you said, in a 3 hour movie, it gets a little old and repetitive after a while.

And I say that as someone who genuinely thought Wolf of Wall Street was good, well made and relatively entertaining. I just found that it became incredibly overrated, the praise this movie got was wild to me :lol And GoodFellas is legitimately several tiers ahead of it as a movie.

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I loved Wolf on Wall Street when it first came out, but now I see why it gets some hate. All the craziness in that movie does get redundant at some point, I can see people saying the same about Goodfellas, but the craziness really seemed to drag more in Wolf, it's a 3 hour movie after all, longer than Goodfellas. I think the fact that Goodfellas was the first of its kind in terms of face paced/craziness gives it some points, it was the original. When future movies (like Wall Street) tend to copy, it doesn't come off as great.

Casino is basically Goodfellas in many ways, but it wasn't as well received. (Also thought Casino had too much narration)


Goodfellas was amazing and Casino was meh as ****. Not enough interesting characters.