The Lebron James Myth EXPOSED

[Full Court]

I did a little bit of research out of idle curiosity, and I found that Lebron James has been outscored by one or more of his teammates in the playoffs 75 times. Astounding isn't it? I mean, based on the fraudulent narratives that have gotten pushed for years, that just can't be, can it? Oh yes it can.

Again, for those of you who lack reading comprehension: Lebron has been outscored by one or more teammates in playoff games 75 times. In reality, it shouldn't surprise anyone. The guy got the name "LeShrivel" for a reason. Be that as it may...

This alone disproves the following myths about Lebron.

- That he's a great scorer. Sure, he's had great scoring moments, no question about it. But he's a tier below Jordan and the other truly great scorers in NBA history.

- That he's always been surrounded by a bunch of scrubs. Well, if he's been outscored 75 times in the post season by scrubs, what does that say about him?

- That he carries his team. This stat proves that he's done a lot more being carried than he has carrying.


I can't wait to see how 1987_Dudley tries to do damage control on this one. :lol The truth sure does hurt.

[SouBeachTalents]

LeBron's played in 292 playoff games, assuming OP's numbers are right, that means he's been his teams leading scorer just shy of 75% of the time. Besides Jordan, I'd wager no other player with a substantial sample size, let's say even just 100 playoff games, has led their team in scoring more often than LeBron has.

If anyone is up for the research, the only guy in the top 10 I think would even come close to LeBron would be Hakeem, and of players with 100 playoff games, the only other guy I would guess would be Dirk. I'd bet even a GOAT scorer like KD falls pretty short of that mark as well.

[1987_Lakers]

LeBron's played in 292 playoff games, assuming OP's numbers are right, that means he's been his teams leading scorer just shy of 75% of the time. Besides Jordan, I'd wager no other player with a substantial sample size, let's say even just 100 playoff games, has led their team in scoring more often than LeBron has.

If anyone is up for the research, the only guy in the top 10 I think would even come close to LeBron would be Hakeem, and of players with 100 playoff games, the only other guy I would guess would be Dirk. I'd bet even a GOAT scorer like KD falls pretty short of that mark as well.

1st post slay.

[Lebron23]

LeBron's played in 292 playoff games, assuming OP's numbers are right, that means he's been his teams leading scorer just shy of 75% of the time. Besides Jordan, I'd wager no other player with a substantial sample size, let's say even just 100 playoff games, has led their team in scoring more often than LeBron has.

If anyone is up for the research, the only guy in the top 10 I think would even come close to LeBron would be Hakeem, and of players with 100 playoff games, the only other guy I would guess would be Dirk. I'd bet even a GOAT scorer like KD falls pretty short of that mark as well.

Thread backfired. It's nice to see you gave some serious answer to his terrible posts

[1987_Lakers]

The funny thing is, Wilt is #44 in playoff career PPG yet, OP has him top 3 all-time. :oldlol:

Shaq is #31, Bird is #35, but LeBron gets punished for averaging 28 PPG in his postseason career.

I don't think OP thought this through

[Full Court]

LeBron's played in 292 playoff games, assuming OP's numbers are right, that means he's been his teams leading scorer just shy of 75% of the time. Besides Jordan, I'd wager no other player with a substantial sample size, let's say even just 100 playoff games, has led their team in scoring more often than LeBron has.

If anyone is up for the research, the only guy in the top 10 I think would even come close to LeBron would be Hakeem, and of players with 100 playoff games, the only other guy I would guess would be Dirk. I'd bet even a GOAT scorer like KD falls pretty short of that mark as well.

So right off the top of your head you come up with multiple people that beat Lebron. :roll: Nice try.

And are you really calling Durant a GOAT scorer?

WOW! I knew this thread would draw out the desperation.

[Full Court]

The funny thing is, Wilt is #44 in playoff career PPG yet, OP has him top 3 all-time. :oldlol:

Shaq is #31, Bird is #35, but LeBron gets punished for averaging 28 PPG in his postseason career.

I don't think OP thought this through

Surely you could come up with something better than that.... :roll:

"Bu-bu-bu-but WILT!!!!" Like a broken record. Pretty soon I'll have you bringing up Tom Brady.



75 times, Dudley. 75 TIMES.

[1987_Lakers]

So right off the top of your head you come up with multiple people that beat Lebron. :roll: Nice try.

And are you really calling Durant a GOAT scorer?

WOW! I knew this thread would draw out the desperation.

He's easily one of the best scorers in history. Probably even top 5.

What the hell is this shit? :lol

[Full Court]

He's easily one of the best scorers in history. Probably even top 5.

What the hell is this shit? :lol

How many times do you think Luka's been outscored by a teammate in a playoff game? How about Anthony Davis?

Go ahead and take a guess. I dare you.

:lebronamazed:

[1987_Lakers]

How many times do you think Luka's been outscored by a teammate in a playoff game? How about Anthony Davis?

Go ahead and take a guess. I dare you.

:lebronamazed:

Wilt was outscored by Don Nelson in an NBA Finals series, an 11 ppg player & a player you thought made the hall of fame for his playing career instead of his coaching.

:lebronamazed:

[Walk on Water]

WOW... And Lebron has no help.

[SouBeachTalents]

The numbers for Dirk & Hakeem

Hakeem: 68%

Dirk: 63%

So even the two guys I thought could potentially surpass or match LeBron are clearly well below him as well :lol And these are guys everyone would say had less scoring help than LeBron did during their careers.

So that means no one else with a minimum of 100 playoff games besides Jordan would even come close to matching LeBron's % of leading his team in scoring, he'd totally lap the rest of the field.

[Walk on Water]

The numbers for Dirk & Hakeem

Hakeem: 68%

Dirk: 63%

So even the two guys I thought could potentially surpass or match LeBron are clearly well below him as well :lol And these are guys everyone would say had less scoring help than LeBron did during their careers.

So that means no one else with a minimum of 100 playoff games besides Jordan would even come close to matching LeBron's % of leading his team in scoring, he'd totally lap the rest of the field.


But Dirk is better than Lebron when playing against Lebron in the Finals.

Dirk 26 points per game
Lebron 17.8 points per game

And Dirk was sick and Lebron made fun of him for being sick. So when playing against each other, Dirk is better than Lebron. That's a fact.

[1987_Lakers]

The numbers for Dirk & Hakeem

Hakeem: 68%

Dirk: 63%

So even the two guys I thought could potentially surpass or match LeBron are clearly well below him as well :lol And these are guys everyone would say had less scoring help than LeBron did during their careers.

So that means no one else with a minimum of 100 playoff games besides Jordan would even come close to matching LeBron's % of leading his team in scoring, he'd totally lap the rest of the field.

That Dirk one is kind of surprising, I thought it would be higher.

Hakeem at least had Ralph Sampson and Drexler for a little bit and even Barkley in the mix for '97.

Kareem would be up there too if he just decided to retire after 1980.

[1987_Lakers]

I also think Karl Malone can be in this convo, Utah didn't have a lot of scorers.

I know in his last season with the Lakers, he takes a major hit.

[Walk on Water]

I also think Karl Malone can be in this convo, Utah didn't have a lot of scorers.

I know in his last season with the Lakers, he takes a major hit.


Dirk vs Lebron in Finals

Dirk 26 points per game, Lebron 17.8 points per game

[Full Court]

Wilt was outscored by Don Nelson in an NBA Finals series, an 11 ppg player & a player you thought made the hall of fame for his playing career instead of his coaching.

:lebronamazed:

Meanwhile, you have Lebron getting outscored in the playoffs by guys like Mario Chalmers. :lol

[ShawkFactory]

So right off the top of your head you come up with multiple people that beat Lebron. :roll: Nice try.

And are you really calling Durant a GOAT scorer?

WOW! I knew this thread would draw out the desperation.

Are you serious?

[1987_Lakers]

Are you serious?

He tried to deflect real quick once I called him out on it. :lol

[1987_Lakers]

Meanwhile, you have Lebron getting outscored in the playoffs by guys like Mario Chalmers. :lol

Chalmers never outscored LeBron in a playoff series. Hell, MJ was outscored by John Paxson in a playoff game, doesn't mean anything.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198905110NYK.html

Meanwhile, Wilt had 13 playoff appearances, he was outscored by at least one teammate in 7 of those runs, more than half. If you value scoring so much, why do you have him in the top 3?

[3ba11]

. I'd bet even a GOAT scorer like KD falls pretty short of that mark as well.


Actually, KD might exceed Lebron in this area because KD's prime shows him leading his team's scoring for every playoff run

[3ba11]

Chalmers never outscored LeBron in a playoff series. Hell, MJ was outscored by John Paxson in a playoff game, doesn't mean anything.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198905110NYK.html

Meanwhile, Wilt had 13 playoff appearances, he was outscored by at least one teammate in 7 of those runs, more than half. If you value scoring so much, why do you have him in the top 3?


2 reasons that CARRYING the scoring load matters:


1) carrying the scoring load = facing max defensive attention... So if you can't successfully carry scoring load vs top teams than you can't defeat max defensive attention

2) Carrying the "star" category requires less star help and allows GM's to get better defensive help & role players.

[SouBeachTalents]

Actually, KD might exceed Lebron in this area because KD's prime shows him leading his team's scoring for every playoff run
Nah, 0% chance playing with Westbrook/Curry/Booker that KD's led his team in scoring as often as LeBron has. I bet he'd be at like 60% at best.

[1987_Lakers]

Actually, KD might exceed Lebron in this area because KD's prime shows him leading his team's scoring for every playoff run

I went through KD's first 3 playoff runs from 2010-2012 and he was outscored by a teammate 12 times. Which means he was the leading scorer on his team 72% of the time. Which falls short of LeBron.

[1987_Lakers]

Just went through his Golden State years from 2017-2019 out of curiosity and he was outscored by a teammate in 20 out of 48 games.

Which means, KD was the leading scorer on his team under 59% of the time.

OP making LeBron's GOAT case stronger without realizing it. :applause:

[dankok8]

What % is MJ?

[Walk on Water]

I went through KD's first 3 playoff runs from 2010-2012 and he was outscored by a teammate 12 times. Which means he was the leading scorer on his team 72% of the time. Which falls short of LeBron.


KD vs Lebron in Finals

2012: Lebron 28.6 points KD 30.6 points
2017: Lebron 33.6 points KD 35.2 points
2018: Lebron 34.0 points KD 28.8 points

KD outscored Lebron in 2 out 3 of the NBA Finals and won Finals MVP over him 2 out 3 times.

[1987_Lakers]

KD vs Lebron in Finals

2012: Lebron 28.6 points KD 30.6 points
2017: Lebron 33.6 points KD 35.2 points
2018: Lebron 34.0 points KD 28.8 points

KD outscored Lebron in 2 out 3 of the NBA Finals and won Finals MVP over him 2 out 3 times.

Pretty crazy LeBron was able to outscore him once considering LeBron also has a Magic Johnson role.

We all know LeBron would blow all of these discussed players out of the water if we were discussing assists instead of points.

[3ba11]

Pretty crazy LeBron was able to outscore him once considering LeBron also has a Magic Johnson role.

We all know LeBron would blow all of these discussed players out of the water if we were discussing assists instead of points.


Lebron can't carry the scoring load on the Finals level (can't defeat max defensive attention), and he never carried weak help over top teams (never beat top 5 SRS team with weak scoring & efficiency from sidekick.

[ImKobe]

Found an old reddit post that sums up MJ vs Lebron


List of players who outscored Michael Jordan or LeBron James in a playoff series
Michael Jordan:

1985 1st Round, Terry Cummings (Bucks, Opponent) (29.5PPG) (MJ averaged 29.3PPG) (Bulls lost 1-3)

LeBron James:

2007 1st Round, Antawn Jamison (Wizards, Opponent) (32.0PPG) (Bron averaged 27.8PPG) (Cavs won 4-0)

2007 NBA Finals, Tony Parker (Spurs, Opponent) (24.5PPG) (Bron averaged 22.0PPG) (Cavs lost 0-4)

2011 2nd Round, Dwyane Wade (Heat, Teammate) (30.2PPG) (Bron averaged 28.0PPG) (Heat won 4-1)

2011 NBA Finals, Dwyane Wade (Heat, Teammate) (26.5PPG) (Bron averaged 17.8PPG) (Heat lost 2-4)

2011 NBA Finals, Dirk Nowitzki (Mavs, Opponent) (26.0PPG) (Bron averaged 17.8PPG) (Heat lost 2-4)

2011 NBA Finals, Chris Bosh (Heat, Teammate) (18.5PPG) (Bron averaged 17.8PPG) (Heat lost 2-4)

2011 NBA Finals, Jason Terry (Mavs, Opponent) (18.0PPG) (Bron averaged 17.8PPG) (Heat lost 2-4)

2012 NBA Finals, Kevin Durant (Thunder, Opponent) (30.6PPG) (Bron averaged 28.6PPG) (Heat won 4-1)

2014 ECF, Paul George (Pacers, Opponent) (24.0PPG) (Bron averaged 22.8PPG) (Heat won 4-2)

2016 1st Round, Kyrie Irving (Cavs, Teammate) (27.5PPG) (Bron averaged 22.8PPG) (Cavs won 4-0)

2017 NBA Finals, Kevin Durant (Warriors, Opponent) (35.2PPG) (Bron averaged 33.6PPG) (Cavs lost 1-4)

2020 1st Round, Anthony Davis (Lakers, Teammate) (29.8PPG) (Bron averaged 27.4PPG) (Lakers won 4-1)

2020 2nd Round, James Harden (Rockets, Opponent) (29.4PPG) (Bron averaged 25.8PPG) (Lakers won 4-1)

2020 WCF, Anthony Davis (Lakers, Teammate) (31.2PPG) (Bron averaged 27.0PPG) (Lakers won 4-1)

2021 1st Round, Devin Booker (Suns, Opponent) (29.7PPG) (Bron averaged 23.3PPG) (Lakers lost 2-4)

And a bunch of others have outscored Lebron since.

[Walk on Water]

Pretty crazy LeBron was able to outscore him once considering LeBron also has a Magic Johnson role.

We all know LeBron would blow all of these discussed players out of the water if we were discussing assists instead of points.

Westbrook averaged a 30 point triple double by playing LeBron’s style. Does that mean dominance? Or just play style?

[Gudo]

If anything, dominating all stat lines takes more away from team ball than scoring does.

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[Full Court]

Chalmers never outscored LeBron in a playoff series. Hell, MJ was outscored by John Paxson in a playoff game, doesn't mean anything.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198905110NYK.html

Meanwhile, Wilt had 13 playoff appearances, he was outscored by at least one teammate in 7 of those runs, more than half. If you value scoring so much, why do you have him in the top 3?

Chalmers outscored Lebron in multiple playoff games. That is a fact, and you know it. That's like Jordan getting outscored by Luc Longley in a playoff game. :lol

No matter how much you try to twist things, I've proven beyond reasonable dispute that Lebron is in fact not a top tier scorer when it comes to all time rankings.

Suck on that for a while.

:lebronamazed:

[Full Court]

KD vs Lebron in Finals

2012: Lebron 28.6 points KD 30.6 points
2017: Lebron 33.6 points KD 35.2 points
2018: Lebron 34.0 points KD 28.8 points

KD outscored Lebron in 2 out 3 of the NBA Finals and won Finals MVP over him 2 out 3 times.

Oh SNAP! :lol

Yo Dudley, tell me again how great of a scorer Lebron is.

:roll:

[Walk on Water]

If anything, dominating all stat lines takes more away from team ball than scoring does.


Exactly. �� Exactly.

[Full Court]

Exactly. �� Exactly.

Yep, the only thing he's the GOAT at is stat padding.

To quote an except from that epic poem "Ode to Lebron James,"


Great stats he got

But they mattered not

'Cause he couldn't come through in the clutch

:roll:

[sdot_thadon]

If anything, dominating all stat lines takes more away from team ball than scoring does.

So, according to you (a hardcore mj stan) its better just to take all the field goal attempts rather than plug holes in your teams abilities? I disagree, i think it makes average teams better when one guy can mask so many weaknesses. Thats one of Lebrons greatest attributes. He can do pretty much anything your team needs to some degree.

[1987_Lakers]

So right off the top of your head you come up with multiple people that beat Lebron. :roll: Nice try.

And are you really calling Durant a GOAT scorer?

WOW! I knew this thread would draw out the desperation.

Never forget. :roll:


Meanwhile, Wilt had 13 playoff appearances, he was outscored by at least one teammate in 7 of those runs, more than half. If you value scoring so much, why do you have him in the top 3?

Of course OP dodged this. A player he has top 3 all-time btw.

[Full Court]

Never forget. :roll:



Of course OP dodged this. A player he has top 3 all-time btw.

Figures that the guy who said the 2020 Heat were better than the 2025 Pacers, and who can't define advanced stat, would also say Durant is the GOAT scorer.

:roll:

I love it when he doubles down on stupid.

[1987_Lakers]

Figures that the guy who said the 2020 Heat were better than the 2025 Pacers, and who can't define advanced stat, would also say Durant is the GOAT scorer.

:roll:

I love it when he doubles down on stupid.

You thought OKC had a 3-1 lead

:roll:

[Full Court]

You thought OKC had a 3-1 lead

:roll:

Yep, I typed an obvious mistake there.

But what ISN'T a mistake is that Lebron James, AKA "LeShrivel," has 45 choke jobs in the post season alone!!! Yes, that's FORTY-FIVE post season choke jobs.

:roll:

You know, the truth doesn't hurt as much if you accept it. :lol

[1987_Lakers]

Yep, I typed an obvious mistake there.

But what ISN'T a mistake is that Lebron James, AKA "LeShrivel," has 45 choke jobs in the post season alone!!! Yes, that's FORTY-FIVE post season choke jobs.

:roll:

You know, the truth doesn't hurt as much if you accept it. :lol

Sure you did :lol

[dankok8]

What % is MJ?

Anybody? I'm actually curious.

[Full Court]

Sure you did :lol

Forty-five choke jobs, Dudley.


Forty-five.....


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