2/4, 1/4, and 1/6 means that Lebron significantly underachieved at every stop

[3ba11]

He won sixty games 1 time in 14 seasons with Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, Love, AD, and Luka... :oldlol::roll:

This was preceded by 2 straight upset losses as OKC-level favorites in 09' and 10', which caused the "decision"

100 guys would've done better in his shoes.

Btw, it was the weakest 2/4 ever because a win over babies and teammate bailout was sandwiched in between the goat choke and record loss..

[1987_Lakers]

Bulls almost won 60 games without MJ.

[3ba11]

Bulls almost won 60 games without MJ.


Three-peating was considered massive overachievement for those Bulls, while Lebron drastically underachieved at every stop...

He won sixty games once in 14 seasons with Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, Love, AD and Luka... 200 players in history would've done better.

And lots of bad teams have one-offs or flukes for any number of reasons - the 94' Bulls proved to be a bad team and barely .500 in 1995 (heading nowhere) before MJ returned.

[warriorfan]

Bulls almost won 60 games without MJ.

Bulls played real basketball with a real system.

Lebron’s team’s falling off hard when he leaves isn’t the win you guys think it is. It shows he has to play a bad brand of ball that is tailor made for him and his weaknesses. Building flawed rosters around your heliocentric rock pounding is good for individual stats but not good for team development and winning.

In recap, lebron’s “check my stats” style ball came at the sacrifice of literally everyone but him, he also didn’t fully escape this as it heavily contributed to his atrocious finals record after using this low brow style to barrel through historically weak eastern conferences.

[Full Court]

Bulls almost won 60 games without MJ.

^Weepy Dudley thinks 55 wins is "almost 60." :roll:

Using his math, we can say that Lebron has almost 50 post season choke jobs.

:lebronamazed:

[1987_Lakers]

MJ needed a system.

LeBron IS the system.

:lebronamazed:

[BlackMamba8]

MJ needed a system.

LeBron IS the system.

:lebronamazed:

Which is why hes lost more than hes won you stupid peasant.

[1987_Lakers]

Which is why hes lost more than hes won you stupid peasant.

He's won a chip for every franchise he has played for.

:lebronamazed:

[BlackMamba8]

He's won a chip for every franchise he has played for.

:lebronamazed:

with stacked teams....so why is it in 8 years he won nothing with the lakers? Asked for more and more help each year LMAO

[Gudo]

The heatles had no business going 2/4.

[sdot_thadon]

The heatles had no business going 2/4.

Ehh 2011? I understand although nobody ever wants to give that team its flowers in order to shit on Lebron. They knocked off 3 50 win teams during that run, including SWEEPING the Kobe led defending champs. Kobe underperformed as well as the defending champ.....somehow we never hear about that, wonder why?

Anyhow, Even if Miami beats the mavs, who's to say they dont lose in 2013? Maybe ray steps out of bounds on that shot or just misses it. Maybe Lebron shows up just a bit less than he did in game 7 and they lose. These are slim margins that win chips some years. And I dont think the 2014 heat beat those spurs regardless of how many times we'd run it back. They figured the heat out and beat them soundly. Nothing wrong with 2/4, you fools act like every franchise goes 2 tiltes out of 4 years all the time. We cant even get repeat finalists these days.

[3ba11]

He's won a chip for every franchise he has played for.

:lebronamazed:


He underachieved with every team that he played for.

[sdot_thadon]

He underachieved with every team that he played for.

Some players never won a single chip with any team. Hes won a chip and fmvp every city hes played for. Some players cant say that.

[3ba11]

Some players never won a single chip with any team.


He's the only guy in history that got 15 seasons with Wade, Bosh, Love, Kyrie, AD and Luka - that's 6 franchise players that had their own teams - no one had this kind of help ever.. It's the most help ever, yet the suboptimal "bron-ball" skillset only had 1 sixty-win season in 15 tries!!.. aka LeFraud

[SouBeachTalents]

He's the only guy in history that got 15 seasons with Wade, Bosh, Love, Kyrie, AD and Luka - that's 6 franchise players that had their own teams - no one had this kind of help ever.. It's the most help ever, yet the suboptimal "bron-ball" skillset only had 1 sixty-win season in 15 tries!!.. aka LeFraud
This dude will tell you Pippen is a scrub but Kyrie and guys like Bosh & Love are franchise players

Fakkit :lol

[StrongLurk]

MJ reduced OP to a spot up ISH poster...or something like that.

[3ba11]

This dude will tell you Pippen is a scrub but Kyrie and guys like Bosh & Love are franchise players

Fakkit :lol


Pippen is a Shawn Marion-level player that teams don't build around because they don't give teams enough capacity to add talent, aka any decent scorer will supplant them... Otoh, guys like Kyrie, Love and Bosh were more dominant players that qualified for franchise status right away as young players.

Accordingly, being gifted the goat dynasty and winning a flukey 55 games (before the inevitable cratering of the team) doesn't compare with players that are dominant enough to build teams from scratch (franchise players)... Kyrie and Love simply sacrificed their prime for Bron-ball, although Kyrie already outplayed young MJ to make the Finals again - he only got 2 years with Luka though, while Lebron got 15 years with Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, Love, AD and Luka.

Ultimately, 1st options like Love dominate games, so they make All-NBA with losing teams like 27 wins, while 2nd options like Pippen or Klay don't make All-NBA with losing teams - they need 67 wins plus goat dynasties to make All-NBA.. So it's clear that 2nd options need winning spotlight to make All-NBA, while dominant 1st options like Love and Bosh make All-NBA with weak teams because they're dominant franchise players.

[sdot_thadon]

He's the only guy in history that got 15 seasons with Wade, Bosh, Love, Kyrie, AD and Luka - that's 6 franchise players that had their own teams - no one had this kind of help ever.. It's the most help ever, yet the suboptimal "bron-ball" skillset only had 1 sixty-win season in 15 tries!!.. aka LeFraud

So those franchises players all must have tons of rings without LeBron right? Oh just one....with Shaq......:oldlol:

[3ba11]

So those franchises players all must have tons of rings without LeBron right? Oh just one....with Shaq......:oldlol:


Again, they didn't get 15+ years with star teammates like Lebron did... They sacrificed their prime for bron-ball and then he left them with nothing to team-up with other stars.

[sdot_thadon]

Again, they didn't get 15+ years with star teammates like Lebron did... They sacrificed their prime for bron-ball and then he left them with nothing to team-up with other stars.

Aside from Wade and Luka had any of them even won a playoff series until they were on Lebrons team? And youre pushing it even talking about Luka when Lebron is in his 20th plus season now clown.

[3ba11]

Aside from Wade





What more do I need?.. Lebron failed to 3-peat with 2 pippen's in Miami... And it wasn't even close, aka goat choke and record loss, plus teammate bailout and a win over babies.

lebron could barely REPEAT with 2 pippen's, let alone three-peat...

And Wade/Bosh were actually true franchise players and much better than a coddled, system robot like Pippen, who was a career 2nd to 5th option.... mostly a dunker and transition player - not a go-to player.







and Luka had any of them even won a playoff series until they were on Lebrons team?





They all joined Lebron as young players that had just entered their prime, and they sacrificed their prime for Lebron...

Then he left to play with other stars for another decade, while they were left with nothing.

[j3lademaster]

This dude will tell you Pippen is a scrub but Kyrie and guys like Bosh & Love are franchise players

Fakkit :lol

Pippen is a scrub, easily replaceable with a Stacey Augmon. Guys like Kyrie, Bosh and Love are franchise players. Bosh is even better than Kobe.

Btw, Kyrie and Love on the 98 Jazz, how many championships?

[sdot_thadon]

What more do I need?.. Lebron failed to 3-peat with 2 pippen's in Miami... And it wasn't even close, aka goat choke and record loss, plus teammate bailout and a win over babies.

lebron could barely REPEAT with 2 pippen's, let alone three-peat...

And Wade/Bosh were actually true franchise players and much better than a coddled, system robot like Pippen, who was a career 2nd to 5th option.... mostly a dunker and transition player - not a go-to player.







They all joined Lebron as young players that had just entered their prime, and they sacrificed their prime for Lebron...

Then he left to play with other stars for another decade, while they were left with nothing.

Just like Mj failed to 8peat in the 90s with the best no.2 of the era, a great cast and legendary coaching staffing shrewd front office.

Its funny to hear "sacrificed their prime" as a knock for being able to win some legendary chips with a goat candidate. These guys names will live longer just by association. Look at these threads and what names youre still keeping alive daily.

[3ba11]

the best no.2 of the era






Pippen was the most carried 2nd option of all-time, with the worst efficiency and clutch ever:




CAREER FINALS

Jordan..... 34 ppg... 6.0 apg... 2.8 TO.. 48%.. goat clutch
Pippen..... 19 ppg... 5.9 apg... 3.3 TO.. 42%.. zero clutch (worst-ever)


CAREER PLAYOFFS WITH BULLS

Jordan..... 33 ppg... 5.7 apg... 3.1 TO.. 49%
Pippen..... 18 ppg... 5.3 apg... 2.9 TO.. 45%

[3ba11]

These guys names will live longer just by association





Nonsense because they were all superstars with All-NBA, all-star MVP and FMVP before joining Lebron, so they were already in the history books.. Love was a lock for HOF, and now he probably won't make it... Meanwhile, Wade's career has been demoted to 2nd option - he gave up his kobe-like status by letting Lebron reduce him and rob him of getting his 2nd FMVP in 2011.

Lebron needs ready-made stars because his skillset can't develop young players (turns everyone into spot-up shooter) - zero players grew from low producer to meaningful producer on his watch..

This contrasts with Jordan, who grew low producers like Pippen, Grant, BJ, Paxson, and more.

[sdot_thadon]

Nonsense because they were all superstars with All-NBA, all-star MVP and FMVP before joining Lebron, so they were already in the history books.. Love was a lock for HOF, and now he probably won't make it... Meanwhile, Wade's career has been demoted to 2nd option - he gave up his kobe-like status by letting Lebron reduce him and rob him of getting his 2nd FMVP in 2011.

Lebron needs ready-made stars because his skillset can't develop young players (turns everyone into spot-up shooter) - zero players grew from low producer to meaningful producer on his watch..

This contrasts with Jordan, who grew low producers like Pippen, Grant, BJ, Paxson, and more.

You smoking dope. You talking about m****ers like Mo Williams, Jamison, Larry Hughes and Big Z daily here. No-effin body cares about these dudes but a few Lebron fans So yeah just look at the names you're keeping alive. Love was not gonna be a guy people really said much about, before he played with Lebron the only topics he could get here were about empty stats lol. Wade youre 1000% wrong about hes always gonna be remembered because he was a top 3 guy in the league and had one of the greatest finals performances of all time. Hes not a guy im referring to at all. I'll never think 2nd option when im remembering his legacy because nobody is arguing that he was the man for those 2nd and 3rd chips. The reason Kobe gets that 2nd option stink is because his stans are idiots that try to push those titles as if he won them alone as the 1st option. If not for that we'd never hear about him being a sidekick.

[3ba11]

You smoking dope. You talking about m****ers like Mo Williams, Jamison, Larry Hughes and Big Z daily here. No-effin body cares about these dudes but a few Lebron fans So yeah just look at the names you're keeping alive. Love was not gonna be a guy people really said much about, before he played with Lebron the only topics he could get here were about empty stats lol. Wade youre 1000% wrong about hes always gonna be remembered because he was a top 3 guy in the league and had one of the greatest finals performances of all time. Hes not a guy im referring to at all. I'll never think 2nd option when im remembering his legacy because nobody is arguing that he was the man for those 2nd and 3rd chips. The reason Kobe gets that 2nd option stink is because his stans are idiots that try to push those titles as if he won them alone as the 1st option. If not for that we'd never hear about him being a sidekick.


Lebron needed to join 1st options and franchise players from other teams and couldn't win with 2nd options like Hughes, Zydrunas, and Jamison, or even perfect fits like Mo.. Mo's spacing added 21 wins and provided the blueprint for GM's going forward (spacing).. Since Lebron needed 1st options, he's inferior to guys that could win with 2nd options like Curry, Duncan and MJ.

Secondly, the reason that WestBrick had 30/10/10 seasons with the worst jumper of all-time is because today's beginner format has wide open lanes that allow a driving game to offset a broke jumper.. This is similar to Giannis and Lebron achieving great stats with weak jumpers, while fatboys like Luka/Jokic laugh at the NBA's easier format compared to international formats.

[Hey Yo]

What more do I need?.. Lebron failed to 3-peat with 2 pippen's in Miami... And it wasn't even close, aka goat choke and record loss, plus teammate bailout and a win over babies.

lebron could barely REPEAT with 2 pippen's, let alone three-peat...

And Wade/Bosh were actually true franchise players and much better than a coddled, system robot like Pippen, who was a career 2nd to 5th option.... mostly a dunker and transition player - not a go-to player.







They all joined Lebron as young players that had just entered their prime, and they sacrificed their prime for Lebron...

Then he left to play with other stars for another decade, while they were left with nothing.

Bosh, Love and Irving played a combined 17yrs and only had 3 playoff wins (all Bosh wins)

Bosh's 2nd year with Miami and first with LeBron as first option... he wins a title.

Kyrie and Kevin's first 10yrs combined... no postseason. Their 2nd season playing with LeBron... win a title.

[tpols]

Wade AD and Luka man... thats like Charles Barkley David Robinson and Magic. Unreal. And then the dozens of other All Stars for supporting help. Hes played way more than Kobe and MJ and still hasnt won as much. Respectfully speaking hes starting to slip outside top 10.