LeBron James has the highest career plus/minus in the playoffs, at +1270.

[StrongLurk]

:confusedshrug:

[sdot_thadon]

Hey, hasn't Lebron's plus minus been a big talking point around here lately? Hmm. This one gonna go mute.

[warriorfan]

Historically weak Eastern Conference


Next.

[SouBeachTalents]

Historically weak Eastern Conference


Next.
The same one Wade nor Bosh could win a playoff series in for 4 years before joining LeBron.

[sdot_thadon]

The same one Wade nor Bosh could win a playoff series in for 4 years before joining LeBron.

:oldlol:

[warriorfan]

The same one Wade nor Bosh could win a playoff series in for 4 years before joining LeBron.

As you bron stans like to put it

“he needed more help!”

[SouBeachTalents]

As you bron stans like to put it

“he needed more help!”
For 2 top of the top 4 players in PER, in a historically weak conference? They should be able to win at least one playoff series combined in a presidential term. Hell, Bosh couldn't even make the playoffs in some of those years.

[tpols]

Isn't his +/- a huge negative vs all western conference opponents overall? With huge sample size?

I want to see the split because the +/- vs the East must be absolutely tremendous.

[StrongLurk]

Isn't his +/- a huge negative vs all western conference opponents overall? With huge sample size?

I want to see the split because the +/- vs the East must be absolutely tremendous.

Well why don't you find the stats for us.

Either way, the last time prime Lebron was in the playoffs was 2020. Even if these post-prime years are dragging things down, he is still the all time leader :lol

[tpols]

I dont have to because I know you dont have the balls to do it. Its definitely a massive disparity which is why you wont state it.

[StrongLurk]

I dont have to because I know you dont have the balls to do it. Its definitely a massive disparity which is why you wont state it.

No really, go ahead and do it. None of this is serious buddy, and you brought it up.

Go ahead and enlighten us.

[Full Court]

That's old stuff. What was his plus/minus for the last 5 years? Hmmmmmmmmm?

LeNetNegative.

[StrongLurk]

That's old stuff. What was his plus/minus for the last 5 years? Hmmmmmmmmm?

LeNetNegative.

It's for his career, sorry you are upset about it.

[Lebron23]

Greatest player of all time

[warriorfan]

For 2 top of the top 4 players in PER, in a historically weak conference? They should be able to win at least one playoff series combined in a presidential term. Hell, Bosh couldn't even make the playoffs in some of those years.

4/10 or 12 ,, who knows how many conference champs he would make. they all don’t mean shit homie

[Full Court]

It's for his career, sorry you are upset about it.

He's still been a net negative for five years running.

Sorry you are upset about it.

[1987_Lakers]

Greatest player of all time

This

[Full Court]

That's old stuff. What was his plus/minus for the last 5 years? Hmmmmmmmmm?

LeNetNegative.

This.

[Im Still Ballin]

LeBron James has a plus/minus of +4975 against the Eastern Conference in his career. (886 games)
LeBron James has a plus/minus of +1293 against the Eastern Conference in the playoffs in his career.

LeBron James has a plus/minus of +2414 against the Western Conference in his career. (676 games)
LeBron James has a plus/minus of -23 against the Western Conference in the playoffs in his career.

[warriorfan]

LeBron James has a plus/minus of +4975 against the Eastern Conference in his career. (886 games)
LeBron James has a plus/minus of +1293 against the Eastern Conference in the playoffs in his career.

LeBron James has a plus/minus of +2414 against the Western Conference in his career. (676 games)
LeBron James has a plus/minus of -23 against the Western Conference in the playoffs in his career.

Ty for the reference.

/thread

[StrongLurk]

Ty for the reference.

/thread

It literally doesn't change anything :lol.

LeBron James has the highest career plus/minus in the playoffs, at +1270. This is the thread and the facts. You trying to nitpick it doesn't change the facts.

[tpols]

It literally doesn't change anything :lol.

LeBron James has the highest career plus/minus in the playoffs, at +1270. This is the thread and the facts. You trying to nitpick it doesn't change the facts.


Bro the fact that hes in the negative vs all west opponents with gigantic sample size but way over +1000 vs the East should be a red flag for you.

That basically means he beat up on scrubs but overall lost to top tier opponents.

His K/D ratio was in the negative vs the West but he was Voltron vs the fodder East.

Not a good look for a "GOAT".

[SouBeachTalents]

Bro the fact that hes in the negative vs all west opponents with gigantic sample size but way over +1000 vs the East should be a red flag for you.

That basically means he beat up on scrubs but overall lost to top tier opponents.

His K/D ratio was in the negative vs the West but he was Voltron vs the fodder East.

Not a good look for a "GOAT".
Bro, just come out of the closet and accept that LeBron was better than Kobe, you'll feel a lot better. You'll be able to stop this charade of cherry picking context less numbers, you'll no longer be living in a world of Jason Kidd > LeBron posts. It's the last step of the 5 stages of grief, once you do, you'll finally find peace.

[StrongLurk]

Bro the fact that hes in the negative vs all west opponents with gigantic sample size but way over +1000 vs the East should be a red flag for you.

That basically means he beat up on scrubs but overall lost to top tier opponents.

His K/D ratio was in the negative vs the West but he was Voltron vs the fodder East.

Not a good look for a "GOAT".

Most of his Western conference games are against finals opponents or completely after his prime.

He legit had ONE playoff run out west in his prime, which was 2020, and it ended it a Ring/FMVP.

Either way, Lebron is top dog, even factoring in playoff games where the dude is age 36-40.

Again ONLY Lebron gets nitpicked by the haters to an irrational degree. It's Lebron-derangement syndrome.

[tpols]

Most of his Western conference games are against finals opponents or completely after his prime.

He legit had ONE playoff run out west in his prime, which was 2020, and it ended it a Ring/FMVP.

Either way, Lebron is top dog, even factoring in playoff games where the dude is age 36-40.

Again ONLY Lebron gets nitpicked by the haters to an irrational degree. It's Lebron-derangement syndrome.

Hes gotten spanked in the West since hes been there too though brother. Think about it. There's a common denominator going on here.

Couldn't even make the playoffs first year and AD saved him. Thats why as a Christian we have B.C. and A.D. Thats the time scale the world follows even currently.

The results were vastly different.

[StrongLurk]

Hes gotten spanked in the West since hes been there too though brother. Think about it. There's a common denominator going on here.

Couldn't even make the playoffs first year and AD saved him. Thats why as a Christian we have B.C. and A.D. Thats the time scale the world follows even currently.

The results were vastly different.

The post you just made here didn't change any of the facts in my post that you responded to.

[warriorfan]

bron stans have been crashing out extra hard lately

you guys okay? :lol :lol

[Gudo]

bron stans have been crashing out extra hard lately

you guys okay? :lol :lol

If only Lebron can defend in the game as consistently and aggressively as his stans defend for him

[Full Court]

If only Lebron can defend in the game as consistently and aggressively as his stans defend for him

LeTrafficCone defend???

:biggums:

[sdot_thadon]

If only Lebron can defend in the game as consistently and aggressively as his stans defend for him

I think just some fake steals and blocks would do wouldn't it? I heard it worked once for a guy......

[Gudo]

I think just some fake steals and blocks would do wouldn't it? I heard it worked once for a guy......

Fake assists and rebounds worked for some others. So it goes both ways.

[kawhileonard2]

Losing record in the finals. Lost head to head more times against a guy who came in after him who beat him head to head on the highest stage more.

[sdot_thadon]

Fake assists and rebounds worked for some others. So it goes both ways.

Id say not, they've actually taken quite a few triple doubles away from LeBron after games were over with stat corrections. The complete opposite of a guy that got freebies way back when.

[Walk on Water]

It literally doesn't change anything :lol.

LeBron James has the highest career plus/minus in the playoffs, at +1270. This is the thread and the facts. You trying to nitpick it doesn't change the facts.


lol he has a negative plus minus against the West. That means what he did in the East don’t matter cuz when it counts on the highest stage he’s a negative. You gonna try to NERD your way out of this one?

[Walk on Water]

Bro, just come out of the closet and accept that LeBron was better than Kobe, you'll feel a lot better. You'll be able to stop this charade of cherry picking context less numbers, you'll no longer be living in a world of Jason Kidd > LeBron posts. It's the last step of the 5 stages of grief, once you do, you'll finally find peace.


Being a negative plus minus against the West when it counts is not exactly cherry picking numbers. You are NOT serious. This is a bad look for you.

[Walk on Water]

The post you just made here didn't change any of the facts in my post that you responded to.

You’re just cashing out cuz it’s over for Lebron. Anything you can grab onto to help you try to sleep. LeBron is not goat and is not considered it by the majority.

[Walk on Water]

Most of his Western conference games are against finals opponents or completely after his prime.

He legit had ONE playoff run out west in his prime, which was 2020, and it ended it a Ring/FMVP.

Either way, Lebron is top dog, even factoring in playoff games where the dude is age 36-40.

Again ONLY Lebron gets nitpicked by the haters to an irrational degree. It's Lebron-derangement syndrome.


These are not nitpicked stats. Against superior opponents he wasn’t good enough, no nitpicking.

There is no LeBron derangement syndrome. Sorry, he’s just not good enough.

[StrongLurk]

These are not nitpicked stats. Against superior opponents he wasn’t good enough, no nitpicking.

There is no LeBron derangement syndrome. Sorry, he’s just not good enough.

The post you just made here didn't change any of the facts in my post that you responded to. LeBron James has the highest career plus/minus in the playoffs, at +1270.

[Walk on Water]

The post you just made here didn't change any of the facts in my post that you responded to. LeBron James has the highest career plus/minus in the playoffs, at +1270.


All you're doing is repeating yourself. He doesn't have the highest plus minus when it matters the most. And the fact he's a negative in the West absolutely shows you how context matters here because part of the reason he has that plus minus is because he played in the East.

So let's say Kevin Durant had the highest plus minus in the WNBA. But then he comes to the NBA and is a negative plus minus. Sure you're right in your first post, you're just not right universally.

[StrongLurk]

All you're doing is repeating yourself. He doesn't have the highest plus minus when it matters the most. And the fact he's a negative in the West absolutely shows you how context matters here because part of the reason he has that plus minus is because he played in the East.

So let's say Kevin Durant had the highest plus minus in the WNBA. But then he comes to the NBA and is a negative plus minus. Sure you're right in your first post, you're just not right universally.

The post you just made here didn't change any of the facts in my post that you responded to. LeBron James has the highest career plus/minus in the playoffs, at +1270.

[Full Court]

Lebron James in the finals:

-86


:lebronamazed:

[warriorfan]

lol he has a negative plus minus against the West. That means what he did in the East don’t matter cuz when it counts on the highest stage he’s a negative. You gonna try to NERD your way out of this one?

:roll:

ALPHA AF

Tell ‘em



This thread is quickly turning into an instant classic. Dudes getting absolutely wrecked in here :roll:

[1987_Lakers]

Remember back in 2019 when the narrative was "Bron never won a Finals playing in the West"

Now the narrative is "He has negative on/off playing in the West, I don't care if he was in his late 30's & 40"

Damn, this is what Bron haters have been reduced too. How pathetic. :lol

[warriorfan]

Remember back in 2019 when the narrative was "Bron never won a Finals playing in the West"

Now the narrative is "He has negative on/off playing in the West, I don't care if he was in his late 30's & 40"

Damn, this is what Bron haters have been reduced too. How pathetic. :lol

Look up his playoff on off in his prime vs the west lmao

Look up how the eastern conference was legit historically weak during bron’s hayday

Bron joined the league as they changed the rules to open up offense on the perimeter and also got to play in one of the, if not the weakest conference in the history of the NBA

As my dog Walk on Water said, let’s see your little midge ass try to nerd your way out of this one.


:roll:

[Full Court]

Remember back in 2019 when the narrative was "Bron never won a Finals playing in the West"

Now the narrative is "He has negative on/off playing in the West, I don't care if he was in his late 30's & 40"

Damn, this is what Bron haters have been reduced too. How pathetic. :lol

^Bitch is SHOOK.

:yaohappy:

[1987_Lakers]

Look up his playoff on off in his prime vs the west lmao

Look up how the eastern conference was legit historically weak during bron’s hayday

Bron joined the league as they changed the rules to open up offense on the perimeter and also got to play in one of the, if not the weakest conference in the history of the NBA

As my dog Walk on Water said, let’s see your little midge ass try to nerd your way out of this one.


:roll:

Let's be real. If LeBron failed to win 3 of the 4 FMVP like Curry did, you would be on his case non-stop. The sad part is Curry wouldn't even have won FMVP if the Warriors won in 2016 & 2019. :lol

Curry needed a shit ton of injuries from the Cavs to win in 2015, then he needed KD who won FMVP over him to win back to back.

Absolutely pathetic.

[warriorfan]

Let's be real. If LeBron failed to win 3 of the 4 FMVP like Curry did, you would be on his case non-stop. The sad part is Curry wouldn't even have won FMVP if the Warriors won in 2016 & 2019. :lol

Curry needed a shit ton of injuries from the Cavs to win in 2015, then he needed KD who won FMVP over him to win back to back.

Absolutely pathetic.

Let’s be real.

Bron profited off joining the league while they changed the rules to help perimeter players while playing in a historically weak eastern conference.

Confront those two facts like you confront the fact you said you are 5’8” (actually don’t confront it like that because you are totally in denial you are a midge who never played ball)

[warriorfan]

To put it simply there are two groups of people. People who lived above the rim and people who lived below. You are an underclass individual.

[1987_Lakers]

Let’s be real.

Bron profited off joining the league while they changed the rules to help perimeter players while playing in a historically weak eastern conference.

Confront those two facts like you confront the fact you said you are 5’8” (actually don’t confront it like that because you are totally in denial you are a midge who never played ball)

The funny thing is LeBron joined the league when NBA teams were averaging around 93 PPG.

In fact, the league average in team points didn't crack 100 PPG until 2009, which is around the time Curry came into the league.

Hell even in the 2012 season, NBA teams were averaging around 96 PPG. LeBron at least had 10 years in the league going up against legit defenses

If anything, Curry profited off joining the league when it was starting to gear more towards offense.

It wasn't until the mid 10's when offenses really took off, which happened to be during Curry's peak. :lol

I can't believe a Curry stan would really use this argument.

What a backfire. :lol

[warriorfan]

The funny thing is LeBron joined the league when NBA teams were averaging around 93 PPG.

In fact, the league average in team points didn't crack 100 PPG until 2009, which is around the time Curry came into the league.

If anything, Curry profited off joining the league when it was starting to gear more towards offense.

Hell even in the 2012 season, NBA teams were averaging around 96 PPG. LeBron at least 10 years in the league going up against legit defense

It wasn't until the mid 10's when offenses really took off, which happened to be during Curry's peak. :lol

I can't believe a Curry stan would really use this argument.

What a backfire. :lol
What happened in the NBA in 2006 my midget mo f.ucker?

[1987_Lakers]

What happened in the NBA in 2006 my midget mo f.ucker?

There was real NBA defense back then crackhead snitch.

Your hero profited more off this current NBA more than any other player especially with the "freedom of movement" rule.

LeBron actually played in a league where defenses dominated, unlike Curry.

[Full Court]

There was real NBA defense back then crackhead snitch.

Your hero profited more off this current NBA more than any other player especially with the "freedom of movement" rule.

LeBron actually played in a league where defenses dominated, unlike Curry.

WOW! This clown is actually ADMITTING that Lebron couldn't win a championship in a defense dominated league. He only won anything when the NBA skewed things to make offense easier.

Lebron wouldn't even have been Patrick Ewing level in the 90s.

[1987_Lakers]

WOW! This clown is actually ADMITTING that Lebron couldn't win a championship in a defense dominated league. He only won anything when the NBA skewed things to make offense easier.

Lebron wouldn't even have been Patrick Ewing level in the 90s.

Wrong. Teams averaged under 100 PPG in 2012 & 2013. Same can't be said for any of Curry's chips, even the fraud ones.

:lebronamazed:

[Full Court]

Wrong. Teams averaged under 100 PPG in 2012 & 2013. Same can't be said for any of Curry's chips, even the fraud ones.

:lebronamazed:

Not even Patrick Ewing level.

Suck on that for a while.

:lebronamazed:

[1987_Lakers]

Not even Patrick Ewing level.

Suck on that for a while.

:lebronamazed:

If that is your only response, you got cooked my son.

:lol

[warriorfan]

There was real NBA defense back then crackhead snitch.

Your hero profited more off this current NBA more than any other player especially with the "freedom of movement" rule.

LeBron actually played in a league where defenses dominated, unlike Curry.

Wait so you are saying the NBA had no rule changes during this period that led to an explosion of perimeter scoring?


:roll:



(Jeff sticky this thread please)

[Full Court]

If that is your only response, you got cooked my son.

:lol

You're so desperate that now you've resorted to trying to convince us that Lebron is better than Curry. :roll:

Curry's the best player of his generation. Did you know that Lebron tried recruiting him, and Curry just laughed? No wonder you're so bitter.

:lebronamazed:

[1987_Lakers]

Wait so you are saying the NBA had no rule changes during this period that led to an explosion of perimeter scoring?


:roll:



You do realize LeBron averaged 27 PPG as a 20 year old in 2005 before the rule change right?

Curry hasn't cracked 27 PPG in like 3 years, despite playing in a more offensive friendly league.

Pathetic.

:roll:

[warriorfan]

You do realize LeBron averaged 27 PPG as a 20 year old in 2005 before the rule change right?

Curry hasn't cracked 27 PPG in like 3 years, despite playing in a more offensive friendly league.

Pathetic.

:roll:

It took him over 42 mins a game on a team who couldn’t even make the playoffs in the historically weak eastern conference.

empty stats

next.

[Full Court]

You do realize LeBron averaged 27 PPG as a 20 year old in 2005 before the rule change right?

Curry hasn't cracked 27 PPG in like 3 years, despite playing in a more offensive friendly league.

Pathetic.

:roll:

You do realize that young Jordan averaged 35 ppg and won 10 scoring titles, right?

By the way, how many scoring titles has LeShrivel won?

And how many DPOY awards?

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[Hey Yo]

Let's be real. If LeBron failed to win 3 of the 4 FMVP like Curry did, you would be on his case non-stop. The sad part is Curry wouldn't even have won FMVP if the Warriors won in 2016 & 2019. :lol

Curry needed a shit ton of injuries from the Cavs to win in 2015, then he needed KD who won FMVP over him to win back to back.

Absolutely pathetic.

LeBron in his losing effort in 2015 still received 4 fmvp votes. That's the same amount of fmvp votes Curry received in his first 5 Finals combined.

:lol

[1987_Lakers]

It took him over 42 mins a game on a team who couldn’t even make the playoffs in the historically weak eastern conference.

empty stats

next.

Didn't Curry average 32 PPG one season where he failed to reach the playoffs as well?

Empty stats.

[StrongLurk]

LeBron in his losing effort in 2015 still received 4 fmvp votes. That's the same amount of fmvp votes Curry received in his first 5 Finals combined.

:lol

Ouch

[sdot_thadon]

You do realize that young Jordan averaged 35 ppg and won 10 scoring titles, right?

By the way, how many scoring titles has LeShrivel won?

And how many DPOY awards?

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2FfDQiG23 bfZsSk%2Fgiphy.gif&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=67e94cf3e574f183369eec380cfcf2b640a5bb3aa51420 08577f382a58e438d5

We know he won 10 scoring titles , but what we really truly want to know is:

How many FGA titles did he win?

[Walk on Water]

We know he won 10 scoring titles , but what we really truly want to know is:

How many FGA titles did he win?

Hey LeBron is old news. Luca got his extension and it’s his team now. Let’s move on.

[sdot_thadon]

Hey LeBron is old news. Luca got his extension and it’s his team now. Let’s move on.

Too bad you're still gonna be here getting embarrassed trying to hate on him.

[Walk on Water]

Too bad you're still gonna be here getting embarrassed trying to hate on him.


I wouldn't call it hate, I would call it being fair. I barely even mention the steroids, women dresses, and P diddy parties.

[warriorfan]

Too bad you're still gonna be here getting embarrassed trying to hate on him.

Your point of reference is all off dawg

If this is a number line where 10 is a huge bron stan, -10 is a deranged bron hater, and 0 is an objective basketball fan making observations and fair critiques….

You are far more at the 8 to 6 range, where the poster you are quoting is more at the -2 to -4 range (that’s being generous)

To sum it up. When you are as big of a biased stan as you are, any sort of completely fair examination gets emotionally dismissed as “hating”.

This sort of response is highly emotional driven and of low iq. Its not a good look.

[1987_Lakers]

Your point of reference is all off dawg

If this is a number line where 10 is a huge bron stan, -10 is a deranged bron hater, and 0 is an objective basketball fan making observations and fair critiques….

You are far more at the 8 to 6 range, where the poster you are quoting is more at the -2 to -4 range (that’s being generous)

To sum it up. When you are as big of a biased stan as you are, any sort of completely fair examination gets emotionally dismissed as “hating”.

This sort of response is highly emotional driven and of low iq. Its not a good look.

-2 to a guy who just got banned for spamming anti Bron threads non stop. LOL.

[warriorfan]

-2 to a guy who just got banned for spamming anti Bron threads non stop. LOL.

He’s raising legit basketball questions regarding the most popular basketball figure by a long shot of this era.


Lebron is the most popular player, the legitimate new GOAT as you claim, yet he’s not a well warranted topic of discussion?

This is a pretty strange thought process.

[ELITEpower23]

The same one Wade nor Bosh could win a playoff series in for 4 years before joining LeBron.

:lol