Seems Embiid is still hurt….

[Kblaze8855]

“Embiid has struggled getting back on the court this offseason, and there is a growing concern that he will not be ready for the start of training camp, league sources told ClutchPoints…The common word associated with Embiid and his health this offseason is that things are ‘bad.’ Several rival teams in the Eastern Conference who spoke with ClutchPoints a couple of weeks ago at NBA Summer League confirmed mixed signals coming from the Sixers regarding Embiid's knee health, with one executive stating that the 76ers are regretting their decision to extend the big man's contract in 2024.”



We just about done there?

I was gonna say he reached the Yao Ming point but it turns out Yao was way more healthy than this.

Grant Hill only had five seasons of his career seriously impacted by injury.

Looks like he’s gonna be the modern Bill Walton with modern medicine extending him a bit.

Have we reached the point there’s no good reason to even bring him up anymore?

[HylianNightmare]

Jahlil and Nerlens still available

[Real Men Wear Green]

Between him and George Philly is the most screwed franchise in the league. Olafor, Noel and Fultz were complete strike outs. Simmons might be the most unforgivable player in league history who didn't commit a violent crime. And now we have a hall of fame career being ended early by injury. The Process has officially been cursed.

[GOBB]

The Process ended before Fultz was drafted. But Philly has been cursed by injured players. George is expected to miss all of preseason is the latest report. And who knows how he fares start of season. In his defense he does rush back from injury early. So if he needs extended time it’s better he be 100% (or very close to it) vs 80-85%.

Embiid has had an unfortunate injury history. That’s a lot of bread tied up into him too. He won’t finish that contract in Philly that’s for sure. But this news isn’t a shocker.

[Kblaze8855]

I wonder if he could actually be used the way the clippers used Bill Walton. When you just look at his career numbers, you see he wasn’t playing much on the Clippers and everyone assumes he was hurt but for some of that time, there was just a plan where he would only play home games or weekends or whatever the plan was at the time.

It’s how they kept him healthy. He played 50 something and 60 something games on the clippers and was totally healthy at the time.

they just gave up on him being an every day player. Embiid is looking like a fair candidate for planned permanent load management. At what point do we stop laughing and acknowledge He just can’t be a regular player? We all like the jokes but eventually you kinda have to acknowledge he isnt just mentally soft right?

We joked about it when it was mentioned, he would never play back to back again, but at this point?

It’s a reasonable precaution. He almost needs that contract the Lakers supposedly offered Wilt the 80s. Home games only and no back to backs. But they’re already locked in paying him 58 to 68 million for the next three.

sucks you can’t get medical cap relief in this situation. You can if the guy can’t play at all, but this is probably even worse.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I wouldn't criticize George's professionalism and personality like I would Simmons but unfortunately he's almost as likely to miss games, just his reason won't be as suspect.

Is there any way to trade Embiid before he becomes an expiring deal in his final year? Not sure there's a worse asset in the league today.

[Kblaze8855]

I wouldn't criticize George's professionalism and personality like I would Simmons but unfortunately he's almost as likely to miss games, just his reason won't be as suspect.

Is there any way to trade Embiid before he becomes an expiring deal in his final year? Not sure there's a worse asset in the league today.

In the next few years there are teams on pace to be 120 to 140 million below…not the cap…the salary floor. In the last season of his deal, the salary floor will be like $180 million. The ever rising floor tattoo, the media rights revenue is why you had teams like the Rockets paying 45-50 million to Fred Vanvleet.

At some point, you have to spend the money or make a giant payment to a pool that goes to all the players anyway. It used to go to the members of your team, but now it goes into a giant pool and gets broken down at the end of the year for everyone.

Who do you imagine the bulls or the wizards are going to sign to make up an amount equivalent to a couple max/super Max deals?

Of course, some of these things are eating up by draft picks, and the little moves you have to do to feel the roster, but the cap goes up so much so quickly the teams that are relying on draft picks to save them can end up so far below the cap, they can absorb just about anything if you attach a pick to it.

If Embiid can’t play, what does a team 90 million below the salary floor lose by taking his contract and one of your picks? Think Al Horford on the thunder. Or better yet John Wall on the Rockets. They just let him sit at home. He made $44 million. Tied for second most in the league. Didn’t do them any harm. They wanted to lose and they had the big Westbrook contract to trade.

There are so many massive contracts in the league you can always match the money and in these cases, some of these truly empty rosters can straight up absorb them if you sweeten the deal a little.

The thing is why would they want to include picks to get out of the contract if they’re gonna rebuild once he’s gone?

might be better off, just tanking with the contract in place.

[GOBB]

Yeah this isn’t a case of him being soft or joking that he can’t play. Heck he has played thru some nasty injuries. They rarely gets mentioned vs a report of embiid missing a back to back or still rehabbing. Sucky situation for him because it’s not a Ben Simmons situation. His body just is what it is. I’m sure folks will counter with it being his fault, his own doing. He definitely needs to be on a load management schedule at this point. But given his contract how can you justify it? If you introduced a Bill Walton approach the salary doesn’t add up.

[Kblaze8855]

Yeah this isn’t a case of him being soft or joking that he can’t play. Heck he has played thru some nasty injuries. They rarely gets mentioned vs a report of embiid missing a back to back or still rehabbing. Sucky situation for him because it’s not a Ben Simmons situation. His body just is what it is. I’m sure folks will counter with it being his fault, his own doing. He definitely needs to be on a load management schedule at this point. But given his contract how can you justify it? If you introduced a Bill Walton approach the salary doesn’t add up.

if you’re paying for it either way, do you have to justify it? If you gotta pay this guy $65 million no matter what? I’d rather pay 65 for 38 games of health and a playoff run than 65 for 50 games straight after which he goes down for another nine months.

With a healthy Maxey and George…plan for Embiid to not be there at all. Have a Jonas, Brook Lopez, or other competent vet who isn’t Drummond…let him practice and play home games.

Make the best of it I guess.

Problem is…George isn’t reliable either. Hes been healthy 1 of the last 5-6 years.

So I don’t even know how they plan to play with half of Embiid.

[L.Kizzle]

He lasted longer than Walton, we've only seen 2 seasons of Bill near his best.

Maybe, Ralph Sampson or Willis Reed. He hit the injury bug literally on one of his Finals run.

[GOBB]

if you’re paying for it either way, do you have to justify it? If you gotta pay this guy $65 million no matter what? I’d rather pay 65 for 38 games of health and a playoff run than 65 for 50 games straight after which he goes down for another nine months.

With a healthy Maxey and George…plan for Embiid to not be there at all. Have a Jonas, Brook Lopez, or other competent vet who isn’t Drummond…let him practice and play home games.

Make the best of it I guess.

Problem is…George isn’t reliable either. Hes been healthy 1 of the last 5-6 years.

So I don’t even know how they plan to play with half of Embiid.

From an optics standpoint it’s hard to justify. Fans, media, league etc The criticism is how much he is owed vs how little he plays/he’s hurt. Even if it makes logical sense to give him a shortened season just for the playoffs. The scrutiny, negative attention/criticism will follow and be loud. Sure we can say “who cares they don’t matter”. But who knows their psyche.

The problem isn’t George isn’t reliable. The problem is the sixers didn’t know this. He came off a contract year but prior too missed just as many if not more games than Embiid. Yet you maxed him out. Now I will say his injury was unfortunate but still hard to ignore and with his latest mishap? Jamming a finger will have a fan base pull their hair.


Embiid George Maxey are supposed to form a chemistry that can be utilized in the postseason. That doesn’t look like it will ever happen. This summer consider cutting ties with the two and starting young.

[1987_Lakers]

He lasted longer than Walton, we've only seen 2 seasons of Bill near his best.

Maybe, Ralph Sampson or Willis Reed. He hit the injury bug literally on one of his Finals run.

Walton at least won a ring.

[Kblaze8855]

He lasted longer than Walton, we've only seen 2 seasons of Bill near his best.

Maybe, Ralph Sampson or Willis Reed. He hit the injury bug literally on one of his Finals run.


Like I said, it looks about like Walton with more modern medicine to stretch it out. Like someone who was just broken…but in a world with stronger glue.

[k0kakw0rld]

Masked the Embiid on suicide watch right now. Someone check on him please.

Damn, that's no good. I feel for him for real.

[Mask the Embiid]

He had a helluva run. Cracked the top 100 all time without even making it to the Finals. One of the most injury riddled careers of all time in sports.Not just 1 but 2 Bad knees now. I think its time to hang em up. He got the most out of what his body let him do.

Seeing shai win a championship just lets me know what would of happened if he was healthy in 2019.

[ralph_i_el]

Like I said, it looks about like Walton with more modern medicine to stretch it out. Like someone who was just brokenÂ…but in a world with stronger glue.

I don't know if I buy Embiid being inherently "broken."
He has always played recklessly, and brings so much power and size, that it is almost inevitable that he suffers bad injuries (imo). He is the basketball equivalent of giving a teen a Ferrari.

Yao Ming on the other hand, played more upright and stiff, but under control. He wasn't suffering injuries all over his body, his lower legs just could not hold up. That's "broken" imo.

[beasted]

I don't know if I buy Embiid being inherently "broken."
He has always played recklessly, and brings so much power and size, that it is almost inevitable that he suffers bad injuries (imo). He is the basketball equivalent of giving a teen a Ferrari.

Yao Ming on the other hand, played more upright and stiff, but under control. He wasn't suffering injuries all over his body, his lower legs just could not hold up. That's "broken" imo.

I feel this is such an odd take. It's like the recent media and "rest"mafia has desensitized us to absolute bullshit.

A player who missed his first 2 seasons, almost 2/3rds of he 3rd season, and probably has only played a handful of back to backs in his entire career is INHERENTLY broken.

[Xiao Yao You]

Like I said, it looks about like Walton with more modern medicine to stretch it out. Like someone who was just broken…but in a world with stronger glue.

Walton may have had a long career with load management. He was shot up with drugs to play on broken feet

[Xiao Yao You]

I thought sixers were guaranteedva playoff spot?

[warriorfan]

Walton may have had a long career with load management. He was shot up with drugs to play on broken feet

Also if he took better care of himself. I’m pretty sure he was on some hippy vegan thing and doing acid all the time.

[beasted]

I thought sixers were guaranteedva playoff spot?

Was this for me? If George plays 75% of the season and Embiid plays 60% they are likely guaranteed to be in that 8th spot. Problem is Embiid might not play 40%. All projections are inherently based on players holding their pattern of health.

[Xiao Yao You]

Also if he took better care of himself. I’m pretty sure he was on some hippy vegan thing and doing acid all the time.

Cant skip me!

Acid never affected my bones

[Xiao Yao You]

Was this for me? If George plays 75% of the season and Embiid plays 60% they are likely guaranteed to be in that 8th spot. Problem is Embiid might not play 40%. All projections are inherently based on players holding their pattern of health.

Projections should be based on reality. George and embiid are injury orone

[ralph_i_el]

I feel this is such an odd take. It's like the recent media and "rest"mafia has desensitized us to absolute bullshit.

A player who missed his first 2 seasons, almost 2/3rds of he 3rd season, and probably has only played a handful of back to backs in his entire career is INHERENTLY broken.

Inherently reckless. I can't think of any player that has delivered more injuries to those around him with his playstyle. He has really hurt some people. Just look at this one: https://x.com/william_lou/status/987778583006515200

[ralph_i_el]

https://share.google/ovsl0JsYk3FWkd6HW

Just dozens of plays like this. https://share.google/ovsl0JsYk3FWkd6HW

[FilmyCogTurner]

Yeah this isn’t a case of him being soft or joking that he can’t play. Heck he has played thru some nasty injuries. They rarely gets mentioned vs a report of embiid missing a back to back or still rehabbing. Sucky situation for him because it’s not a Ben Simmons situation. His body just is what it is. I’m sure folks will counter with it being his fault, his own doing. He definitely needs to be on a load management schedule at this point. But given his contract how can you justify it? If you introduced a Bill Walton approach the salary doesn’t add up.

I dunno man Embiid could have tried coming into the season slimmer. He's a big dude and extra weight with lower body injuries, not good.

[Axe]

This dude was already riddled with injuries during the time he got drafted. I wonder if he wouldn't have been if he were shorter.


on suicide watch right now
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/image.php?u=827668&dateline=1624237688&type=thumb (https://i.ibb.co/0R6mj6b3/IMG-20250622-034436.jpg)

[Akeem34TheDream]

He had a helluva run. Cracked the top 100 all time without even making it to the Conference Finals. One of the most injury riddled careers of all time in sports.Not just 1 but 2 Bad knees now. I think its time to hang em up. He got the most out of what his body let him do.

Seeing shai win a championship just lets me know what would of happened if he was healthy in 2019.

Fixed it

[Wally450]

Has Embiid ever been healthy?

[Chick Stern]

I dunno man Embiid could have tried coming into the season slimmer. He's a big dude and extra weight with lower body injuries, not good.

Big men with leg injuries dont get better.
Same reason Pels should have traded Zion.

[Xiao Yao You]

Big men with leg injuries dont get better.
Same reason Pels should have traded Zion.

Illgauskas and lopez did

[GOBB]

Has Embiid ever been healthy?

He won MVP one season and finished 2nd the season prior. If he wasn’t healthy then that should go down in the Book of Guiness world records. Maybe you want to ask if he’s ever been healthy in a postseason? Or fully healthy over the course of an entire season?