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3ba11
08-06-2025, 09:21 PM
Lebron received 11 players that were already better than Jordan's 1st all-star in 1990, but the "bron-ball" skillset couldn't develop any of the 11 players (shown in the 1st post below).. Luka-ball is similar and couldn't develop guys like Brunson or Porzingas either..

Otoh, off-ball players like Curry, MJ or Duncan developed young players that were nowhere near Ayton's projection, such as like Klay, Poole, Pippen, Grant and BJ.. So they would easily win with a prodigal #1 pick like Ayton as 4th option, since it's the most stacked team in the league, BY FAR - they should easily be the preseason favorite.

However, LeOld is a huge negative, so the 2026 season will be a charade of pretending the Lakers lack help - a massive lie to cover up that Lebron can't win with good rosters anymore, and his skillset has always struggled to win with any roster.. He underachieved at every stop, aka 2/4, 1/4, and 1/6 despite 15 seasons with 6 franchise players, aka the most help ever (Wade. Bosh, Kyrie, Love, AD, Luka).

3ba11
08-06-2025, 09:22 PM
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In addition to Ayton, Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, Love, AD and Luka, numerous other teammates of Lebron were better than MJ's 1st all-star in 1990:



05' HUGHES (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hughela01.html).................. 21.6 PER... 0.157 WS/48... 3.7 VORP... 4.3 BPM... 22/6/5.... 1st Team All-D
90' PIPPEN (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html).................... 16.3 PER... 0.087 WS/48... 3.0 VORP... 1.8 BPM... 16/6/5

09' MO WILLIAMS (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willima01.html).......... 17.2 PER... 0.165 WS/48... 3.1 VORP... 2.3 BPM... 17/3/4
90' PIPPEN (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html).................... 16.3 PER... 0.087 WS/48... 3.0 VORP... 1.8 BPM... 16/7/5

09' JAMISON (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamisan01.html)................. 20.6 PER... 0.126 WS/48... 2.8 VORP... 1.6 BPM... 22/9/2
90' PIPPEN (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html).................... 16.3 PER... 0.087 WS/48... 3.0 VORP... 1.8 BPM... 16/7/5

06' ZYDRUNAS (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/ilgauzy01.html)'.............. 21.9 PER... 0.184 WS/48... 2.1 VORP... 1.6 BPM... 16/8/1 (2 bpg)
90' PIPPEN (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html).................... 16.3 PER... 0.087 WS/48... 3.0 VORP... 1.8 BPM... 16/7/5



The all-star duo of Lebron and Zydrunas acquired 93' Pippen to make the 06' Playoffs and win 50 games:



05' HUGHES............. 21.6 PER.... 4.3 BPM... 0.157 WS/48... 3.7 VORP.... 1st team defense
93' PIPPEN............... 19.2 PER..., 4.0 BPM... 0.132 WS/48... 4.7 VORP.... 1st team defense

1987_Lakers
08-06-2025, 09:27 PM
Look up Bison Dele and check out his production before and after he played for the Bulls.

MJ reduced him to a bench warmer

Full Court
08-06-2025, 09:44 PM
Look up Bison Dele and check out his production before and after he played for the Bulls.

MJ reduced him to a bench warmer

And accomplished more in 6 years than LeShrivel's been able to accomplish in 21.

Truth hurts.

:lebroncry: