Who is the greatest passer in NBA History?

[1987_Lakers]

I'm talking more as a pure passer in terms of court vision, not necessarily playmaking where a player draws the defense and makes a simple read. For example, LeBron is a superior playmaker than Bird, but Bird overall had better court vision and made more creative passes (Although LeBron wasn't too far behind).

[1987_Lakers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1JicwWSzao


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WetOYfJ1fGM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y52sQoSAr6g

[1987_Lakers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baBdnA7cui0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJyvb3h440I&t

[tpols]

If were talking court vision and creativity passing have to put Jwill aka White Chocolate on the poll.


https://youtu.be/f_UphWCvkj4?si=0-tRqLV46rDPpcQc

His highlight tape is an exercise in dopamine. Magician.

[1987_Lakers]

If were talking court vision and creativity passing have to put Jwill aka White Chocolate on the poll.


https://youtu.be/f_UphWCvkj4?si=0-tRqLV46rDPpcQc

His highlight tape is an exercise in dopamine. Magician.

Great vision for sure, but one of my problems with him is that he made some of those fancy passes even when they were not necessary that often ended in some turnovers. I understand top tier passers make some risky passes here and there, but he took it to another level. lol

He was the J.R. Smith of point guards in terms of B-ball IQ.

[tpols]

Great vision for sure, but one of my problems with him is that he made some of those fancy passes even when they were not necessary that often ended in some turnovers. I understand top tier passers make some risky passes here and there, but he took it to another level. lol

He was the J.R. Smith of point guards in terms of B-ball IQ.

Gotta risk it for the biscuit. If he played stiff and plain like Stockton we wouldn't know his name. His wild style was what made him special.

[Norcaliblunt]

Steve Nash than Magic.

Steve Nash is the most efficient while being the flashiest passer ever.

Steve literally has an argument for the best passer and best shooter ever.

[Full Court]

Jokic is an overrated passer. He does a lot of super high risk passes that, when they go through, make people ooh and aah, but most of the time they are unnecessary, and many times lead to boneheaded turnovers.

He certainly doesn't belong on a list of best passers in NBA history.

[1987_Lakers]

Jokic is an overrated passer. He does a lot of super high risk passes that, when they go through, make people ooh and aah, but most of the time they are unnecessary, and many times lead to boneheaded turnovers.

He certainly doesn't belong on a list of best passers in NBA history.

What an awful take. :oldlol:

[Carbine]

Best passer is no different than best shooter.

The efficiency aspect of it has to be factored in greatly.

Just because a player could hit the toughest, most contested 3 pointers doesn't mean he is the best shooter. Jason Williams belongs nowhere near this list for the fact he never accumulated a lot of assists and he was very risky with the passes. It's an awful pass if it ends up in the other teams hands going the other way for a fastbreak.

I think Steve Nash was the best half court passer I've seen and Magic the best fast break passer (not even close)

Stockton was likely the best combination of the two aspects.

[L.Kizzle]

Bob Cousy
Tiny Archibald
Pistol Pete
Isiah Thomas
Clyde Drexler
Tracy McGrady

[1987_Lakers]

Best passer is no different than best shooter.

The efficiency aspect of it has to be factored in greatly.

Just because a player could hit the toughest, most contested 3 pointers doesn't mean he is the best shooter. Jason Williams belongs nowhere near this list for the fact he never accumulated a lot of assists and he was very risky with the passes. It's an awful pass if it ends up in the other teams hands going the other way for a fastbreak.

I think Steve Nash was the best half court passer I've seen and Magic the best fast break passer (not even close)

Stockton was likely the best combination of the two aspects.

Who remembers the way Nash would dribble under the net and find an open player for a layup? He constantly did this and it would confuse defenses. I think I would agree that Nash was the best half court passer ever. Magic with Kidd right behind him are the best fast break passers. Magic had the best combo of the fast break & half court IMO.

- Bird is probably the GOAT outlet passer
- LeBron is the GOAT skip passer
- Jokic is the GOAT stationary passer

[k0kakw0rld]

Jason Kidd period. What the hell you mean Nash? :lol Stop this right now

[1987_Lakers]

Jason Kidd period. What the hell you mean Nash? :lol Stop this right now

Kidd had amazing court vision and arguably had the most jaw dropping passes, the only issue is most of them came in transition. In the half court set he didn't stand out as much. Nash was a god damn monster as a passer in the half court, constantly had you on your toes and pulled great passes out of nowhere.

[k0kakw0rld]

Kidd had amazing court vision and arguably had the most jaw dropping passes, the only issue is most of them came in transition. In the half court set he didn't stand out as much. Nash was a god damn monster as a passer in the half court, constantly had you on your toes and pulled great passes out of nowhere.

If you want to bring halfcourt passes, where the hell is Bron?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8tnELrsoeU
20 minutes of his passing alone. You guys are really biased. This forum is toxic as hell smh... If you truly love the game of basketball, and you spend your time hating that man. Kill yourself for real. :facepalm

[k0kakw0rld]

Bob Cousy
Tiny Archibald
Pistol Pete
Isiah Thomas
Clyde Drexler
Tracy McGrady
:facepalm A forum full of idiots. you are telling me all these guys are better passers than LeBron James? :roll:

[Full Court]

What an awful take. :oldlol:

The awful take was your OP. Serious question, have you ever actually watched Jokic play?

[k0kakw0rld]

What an awful take. :oldlol:
Your OP and list of players is bullshit. GTFOH

[1987_Lakers]

If you want to bring halfcourt passes, where the hell is Bron?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8tnELrsoeU
20 minutes of his passing alone. You guys are really biased. This forum is toxic as hell smh... If you truly love the game of basketball, and you spend your time hating that man. Kill yourself for real. :facepalm

Right below Larry Bird, still have LeBron as a top 10 passer ever. But this poll is about the GOAT passer, LeBron is never in that convo.

The fact that Bird averaged close to 7 APG during his prime ('84-'88) compared to 7.4 APG for LeBron ('12-'18) despite being less ball dominant should tell you how gifted Bird was as a passer.

[k0kakw0rld]

Right below Larry Bird, still have LeBron as a top 10 passer ever. But this poll is about the GOAT passer, LeBron is never in that convo.

The fact that Bird averaged close to 7 APG during his prime ('84-'88) compared to 7.4 APG for LeBron ('12-'18) despite being less ball dominant should tell you how gifted Bird was as a passer.
We are not talking about averages here moron. We are talking about level of passes

[1987_Lakers]

We are not talking about averages here moron. We are talking about level of passes

That is exactly my point.

To be honest, LeBron isn't even on the same tier of a passer as Jokic, Magic, & Nash. He had no chance of winning this poll.

The fact that you are upset that Nash is on this poll just shows that you don't know jack shit about what you're talking about.

[k0kakw0rld]

That is exactly my point.

To be honest, LeBron isn't even on the same tier of a passer as Jokic, Magic, & Nash. He had no chance of winning this poll.

The fact that you are upset that Nash is on this poll just shows that you don't know jack shit about what you're talking about.
Why don't you test it yourself? Create another one and delete this post immediately.

[1987_Lakers]

Why don't you test it yourself? Create another one and delete this post immediately.

:oldlol:

[Im Still Ballin]

Jokic has the best combination of backcourt passing and frontcourt passing. His passing "bag" is flawless; there's not a single type of pass he can't make. Magic has an argument, but I don't think anyone has put it all together like Nikola. Nash lacks the size to be an effective post passer, short-roll passer, and hand-off passer. Does that make him a worse passer?

[mr4speed]

Kidd had amazing court vision and arguably had the most jaw dropping passes, the only issue is most of them came in transition. In the half court set he didn't stand out as much. Nash was a god damn monster as a passer in the half court, constantly had you on your toes and pulled great passes out of nowhere.

Impossible for me to pick one player but let me thank you for starting this thread. If you have ever played with a player that could see the floor like a PG should, there is nothing that can energize a player or a team like rewarding movement without the ball. A creative passer lifts up everybody's game!!

[Carbine]

Jokic has the best combination of backcourt passing and frontcourt passing. His passing "bag" is flawless; there's not a single type of pass he can't make. Magic has an argument, but I don't think anyone has put it all together like Nikola. Nash lacks the size to be an effective post passer, short-roll passer, and hand-off passer. Does that make him a worse passer?

No, just like being able to score in more ways doesn't make you a better scorer.

[k0kakw0rld]

OP out there stealing threads from Realgm smh...:facepalm

Same poll, same players selected...

https://zupimages.net/up/25/34/uvsr.jpg (https://zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=25/34/uvsr.jpg)

[1987_Lakers]

OP out there stealing threads from Realgm smh...:facepalm

Same poll, same players selected...

https://zupimages.net/up/25/34/uvsr.jpg (https://zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=25/34/uvsr.jpg)

You do realize I'm the one who made that thread right?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?505345-*****All-Time-NBA-Players-Peak-Draft*****&p=14630043&viewfull=1#post14630043

[Baller234]

I mean I don't see how you can go with anyone but Magic. People try and get too cute these days. :oldlol:

Bird is one of the best ever as well but he's not Magic. The only reason Magic and Bird is even a debate is due to Magic being a better passer. If Bird were better at both scoring and passing there wouldn't be a debate.

[1987_Lakers]

Got good insight. A few were upset that I left off Stockton, but the true knowledgeable fans put them in their place.


I think the Stockton conversation is a little out of control in this thread. I think the leading assist man of all-time probably deserves a spot in the poll, but I also have the players in the poll ranked ahead of him.

Stockton was an awesome transition playmaker. Anyone can watch the highlights even, and see he belongs in any conversation about fantastic passers. In the halfcourt- like you said in another post- the man was accurate. Whether it was pick & roll reads, or simply great entry passes, the pass was on point.

I do find Stockton a little unassertive and vanilla in the halfcourt, compared to the other guys on this list. Watching full Jazz games, it's almost always apparent to me that Stockton plays conservatively. He's not ripping open defenses and unlocking passes the way Magic or Nash did. He doesn't get guys open in the same way. Now, part of that might be that he played for Jerry Sloan his entire career, and Stockton was doing what his coach wanted in the context of that offense. Sometimes the play called for Stockton to walk the ball up the court, pass the ball to the wing, and that was it for the point guard in that play.

The Stockton/Malone pick & roll was more brutalist than beautiful. Watch 100 possessions of this, and 90 of them are the exact same: left side of the floor, screen on the right side, Stockton dribbles right, and immediately hits Malone on the roll with either that extended dump off pass, or his over the head pass. Similar style of passes if Malone elects to pop instead of roll. They did have such good chemistry that you'd see little counters against defenses trying to hard to prevent the pick. A primitive version of a ghost screen where Stockton fakes right, goes left, but then immediately hits the non-screening Malone. It was on this counter that Stockton would show he had a bit of a pocket pass (though that term didn't exist back then, I don't think). Basically, it just allowed Stockton to reject the screen and go right into that counter. Stockton's passing was so good that when the defense decided to trap, it was almost an auto-bucket.

There are things we don't know about Stockton as a passer. We never saw him play in a different offense, so there was a cap on the kinds of play types we saw form him. We never saw him play with a lob finisher, so we don't know anything about that whole bag of potential passes.

I see both sides of the coin with Stockton. I've watched full Jazz games, where it felt like Stockton didn't throw a single stand out pass, but still ended up with 12 assists just by entry passes and delivering the ball. I can see someone watching those types of games and thinking his assist numbers are inflated. There are other games where Stockton is aggressive, and there's lots of transition and heavy pick & roll play, and Stockton looks as good as anyone.

I can make a Stockton argument against Bird (passing volume) or Kidd (Kidd was even more helpless in the halfcourt sometimes), but for me Magic/Jokic/Nash is the gold standard. Kidd, Bird, and Stockton all have good arguments to be put in that group. I think of Stockton as very similar to Chris Paul and Jason Kidd in terms of style. I think it's important to remember that all these guys are GREAT passers, and we're arguing over who stands out amongst the greatest passers ever.

[1987_Lakers]

Another one


Luka flashes some passes that are so so ridiculous, that you have to think about him amongst the greatest passers ever. I will say that Luka is still a score-first player. He's step back happy, he's a driver that wants to kill you in the short mid-range. Sometimes there are whole games where Luka doesn't seemed plugged into his playmaking mode, except for a few exceptional plays. There are other games, especially in the playoffs when there's a specific game plan, where Luka can simply carve a defense up all game with his passing. There have been times where the Mavs have gone heavy pick & roll, and Luka effortlessly generated lob after lob, after corner 3, after lob, after corner 3... it's terrifying.

I think when you let Luka freelance, he's a bucket getter first and foremost. Put him in an offensive role where the game plan needs him to deliver passes, he can do that as well as anyone ever. The main thing that puts him below Jokic, Magic, Nash etc. is that I think those 3 can go out and be that game plan on their own, all the time. All they require is the ball in their hands. Luka needs a little nudge.

Lebron to me has always had a more simple passing game. It's all about vision, memory, and insane arm strength. Lebron is arguably the best skip passer ever. Two hands above his head, and he can probably throw the ball accurately over a mountain. He has the 360 vision, so he can throw the right long range pass from anywhere on the court to anywhere else on the court, and his memory is so genius that he got better and better at passing every year, as the computer got more data to work with. Like Luka, Lebron is score-first. He's trying to pressure the rim, and he more looks to pass after the defense has over helped. He's rarely creates something from nothing like the best of the best do, and his bag of passes is not as deep.

[Baller234]

I agree that Lebron probably had the best cannon.

He could throw a ****in DART cross court with one hand.

[jayfan]

I'm talking more as a pure passer in terms of court vision, not necessarily playmaking where a player draws the defense and makes a simple read. For example, LeBron is a superior playmaker than Bird, but Bird overall had better court vision and made more creative passes (Although LeBron wasn't too far behind).


If we're talking about court vision - A guy who, even if below those in the poll, should still be in the conversation, is Rondo.

[1_BAD_TIGER]

Jokic is an overrated passer. He does a lot of super high risk passes that, when they go through, make people ooh and aah, but most of the time they are unnecessary, and many times lead to boneheaded turnovers.

He certainly doesn't belong on a list of best passers in NBA history.

Really don't get many takes as stupid as that one, well done sir.

[Full Court]

I rarely see Pistol Pete talked about as one of the great passers, but he should be.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3IiKPdre6Y

[1987_Lakers]

I rarely see Pistol Pete talked about as one of the great passers, but he should be.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3IiKPdre6Y

Another horrific take. You are on a roll.

[Full Court]

Another horrific take. You are on a roll.

Go ahead. Say that he's not a great passer. I dare you.

[Full Court]

Another horrific take. You are on a roll.


Go ahead. Say that he's not a great passer. I dare you.

Yep, didn't think would. Even you know how retarded it would be. Almost as retarded as when you said the 2020 Heat were better than the 2025 Pacers. :roll:

[1987_Lakers]

Go ahead. Say that he's not a great passer. I dare you.

A guy who averaged 6.7 APG with 5 turnovers per game is a great passer?

Next season he averaged 5 APG on 4 TOPG.

And you think he should be in this discussion?

It's mind blowing how dumb you are.

:roll:

[Full Court]

A guy who averaged 6.7 APG with 5 turnovers per game is a great passer?

Next season he averaged 5 APG on 4 TOPG.

And you think he should be in this discussion?

:roll:

This is why you have a reputation on here for being extremely low IQ. You can't see anything beyond statistical numbers. You really don't understand the game of basketball.


Poor Dudley doesn't know that not all turnovers are committed on passes. :lol

[1987_Lakers]

This is why you have a reputation on here for being extremely low IQ. You can't see anything beyond statistical numbers. You really don't understand the game of basketball.


Poor Dudley doesn't know that not all turnovers are committed on passes. :lol

That's right, the numbers don't support what you are stating, so you just go "stats don't tell the story" route without explaining why Pete deserves to be on the list.

Tell us.

[1987_Lakers]

The real sleepers (although they don't have an argument for GOAT passer) are players like Manu, Diaw, or Walton. None of these guys have been mentioned yet.

This dude brings out turnover machine Pistol Pete. :lol

[Tavr]

Magic Johnson. Along with the flashiness, his height helped him see over defenses.


That's right, the numbers don't support what you are stating, so you just go "stats don't tell the story" route without explaining why Pete deserves to be on the list.

Tell us.

You need numbers to tell you that Pete Maravich was a great passer? Lol. Watching film, you'd literally have to be blind not to see that.

[1987_Lakers]

Magic Johnson. Along with the flashiness, his height helped him see over defenses.



You need numbers to tell you that Pete Maravich was a great passer? Lol. Watching film, you'd literally have to be blind not to see that.

He was a known ball hog during his time. How can someone who is considered a ball hog be considered one of the greatest passers ever? Not to mention his horrific assist/turnover ratio.

One of those guys who fools casuals like yourself and full tard because he had a flashy game.

Pete’s transition to the NBA was not an easy one. While he did make the All-Star teams, things were not going well. Many critics considered Pete a ball hog or a hot dog even calling him “Pop-Gun Pete”. His passing style, while a crowd pleaser, sometimes irritated his teammates.

[Tavr]

Yeah you're a stat dweeb who literally doesn't know shit about basketball.

lol

[1987_Lakers]

This list has him top 10 in the biggest ball hogs in NBA history.

https://www.complex.com/sports/a/angel-diaz/biggest-ball-hogs-nba-history

:lol

Pistol was flashy and fun to watch. He also liked having the ball. The one knock on him was that he didn't make his teammates better. Was it because he was ahead of his time or was it because he just liked to shine? We think it was the latter. Maravich made a career of acrobatic handles and magical passes, but he only dished out fives dimes a game and turned the ball over a lot. For most of his Hall of Fame career he was considered to be a ball hog who couldn't win.

[1987_Lakers]

Yeah you're a stat dweeb who literally doesn't know shit about basketball.

lol

Are you embarrassed because I made you look bad? :lol

[Tavr]

Most pointguards are "ballhogs" lol. Their job is to literally run an offense. AI was considered an inefficient ballhog throughout his career, so by your logic he wasn't a good scorer.

:oldlol:

You've been on this forum since 2007 and are still basketball illiterate... Take up a new hobby.

[1987_Lakers]

Most pointguards are "ballhogs" lol. Their job is to literally run an offense. AI was considered an inefficient ballhog throughout his career, so by your logic he wasn't a good scorer.

:oldlol:

You've been on this forum since 2007 and are still basketball illiterate. Take up a new hobby.

This is pathetic. Ball hog is a term used on players who usually just look for their shot while ignoring teammates. When the hell have you ever heard anyone call Magic a ball hog? You dug yourself into a hole and now are just embarrassing yourself even further.

Maravich's dad is basically the main reason why he was a ball hog, his father coached him in college and he constantly encouraged him to shoot. You could find a shit ton of articles from the 70's labeling Pete a ball hog and criticizing his style of play. This was a known thing back then. And I can just sense that you didn't know this info.

[1987_Lakers]

Sports Illustrated article from 1975

"I can't understand why everything is negative, negative, negative. I guess it says a lot about human nature that people would rather read about Pete Maravich the ball hog, not Pete Maravich the ball hawk." - Pete Maravich

Pete was well aware of his ball hog label.

But still one of the greatest passers in NBA history according to a couple of posters in this thread. :lol

[Full Court]

Yeah you're a stat dweeb who literally doesn't know shit about basketball.

lol

Yep, spot on. And a low IQ one at that.


This list has him top 10 in the biggest ball hogs in NBA history.

https://www.complex.com/sports/a/angel-diaz/biggest-ball-hogs-nba-history

:lol

Pistol was flashy and fun to watch. He also liked having the ball. The one knock on him was that he didn't make his teammates better. Was it because he was ahead of his time or was it because he just liked to shine? We think it was the latter. Maravich made a career of acrobatic handles and magical passes, but he only dished out fives dimes a game and turned the ball over a lot. For most of his Hall of Fame career he was considered to be a ball hog who couldn't win.

Bitch is SHOOK! :roll:

And what's hilarious is that he stans LeShrivel, who guess what: doesn't elevate his teammates and is a turnover machine.

You can't make this stuff up.

:lebronamazed:

[ShawkFactory]

Sports Illustrated article from 1975

"I can't understand why everything is negative, negative, negative. I guess it says a lot about human nature that people would rather read about Pete Maravich the ball hog, not Pete Maravich the ball hawk." - Pete Maravich

Pete was well aware of his ball hog label.

But still one of the greatest passers in NBA history according to a couple of posters in this thread. :lol

He's certainly one of the most skilled passers ever. He's not one of the great overall PG floor generals but I don't think that was the question.

He was one of the huge originators of the often unnecessary but aesthetically pleasing fancy pass.

[1987_Lakers]

Yep, spot on. And a low IQ one at that.



Bitch is SHOOK! :roll:

And what's hilarious is that he stans LeShrivel, who guess what: doesn't elevate his teammates and is a turnover machine.

You can't make this stuff up.

:lebronamazed:

Nothing with substance to add per usual on your part.

You said Jokic was an overrated passer who didn't deserve to be in the discussion and now you want Pistol Pete in the discussion who was a ball hog.

Your takes are awful.

[1987_Lakers]

He's certainly one of the most skilled passers ever. He's not one of the great overall PG floor generals but I don't think that was the question.

He was one of the huge originators of the often unnecessary but aesthetically pleasing fancy pass.

I would say he was flashy & made some passes that were obviously ahead of his time, but not necessarily a "skilled passer". A skilled passer is not averaging over 5 apg while also averaging over 4 TOPG. He played more like a globetrotter. I just don't see how a guy who was considered a ball hog could be in this convo.

For a guy who had such a big name at the time, he never transformed any offense he played on.

1974 Hawks with Maravich: #8 offense
1975 Hawks without Maravich: #6 offense

Utah also had one of the worst offenses year in and year out while prime Maravich was there.

I always had the belief that Maravich was overrated and shouldn't have sniffed that top 50 list that the NBA came out with in 1996.

[Im Still Ballin]

If you separate the scoring threat from the ability to pass (playmaking vs. passing), what about ball handling, too? Height, standing reach, and wingspan are all advantages when it comes to passing. You can see the court better, and you can throw passes unobstructed and from more angles over and around the defense.

IIRC, Ben Taylor/ElGee/Thinking Basketball uses height as a variable in the formula of his Passer Rating metric.

[tpols]

This is pathetic. Ball hog is a term used on players who usually just look for their shot while ignoring teammates. When the hell have you ever heard anyone call Magic a ball hog? You dug yourself into a hole and now are just embarrassing yourself even further.

Maravich's dad is basically the main reason why he was a ball hog, his father coached him in college and he constantly encouraged him to shoot. You could find a shit ton of articles from the 70's labeling Pete a ball hog and criticizing his style of play. This was a known thing back then. And I can just sense that you didn't know this info.


Thats more of a shotjacker or chucker than a ball hog. Ball hog means... they hog time of possesion of the ball, and are score first players. Which ironically your boy did and so does Luka but you have them on the list.

[tpols]

He's certainly one of the most skilled passers ever. He's not one of the great overall PG floor generals but I don't think that was the question.

He was one of the huge originators of the often unnecessary but aesthetically pleasing fancy pass.

Seriously his question was basically to disparage Stockton because he isn't a flashy passer. Yet he had way better ratios than Pete, but Pete WAS a flashy creative passer. Got himself in a bind. :lol

[1987_Lakers]

Thats more of a shotjacker or chucker than a ball hog. Ball hog means... they hog time of possesion of the ball, and are score first players. Which ironically your boy did and so does Luka but you have them on the list.

I do?

[1987_Lakers]

Seriously his question was basically to disparage Stockton because he isn't a flashy passer. Yet he had way better ratios than Pete, but Pete WAS a flashy creative passer. Got himself in a bind. :lol

As a passer alone, Stockton was 10x better than Maravich, just don't have him better than the guys in the OP. The reason for my question in the OP is because lots of guys confuse pure passing skills with playmaking.

Full tard literally said he thinks Jokic is overrated because he makes unnecessary passes which leads to turnovers then goes around and mentions Pistol Pete, who was literally known for that.

[Im Still Ballin]

Wouldn't pure passing skills isolate ball handling from the equation? What even is it, pure passing? If you separate scoring and ball handling from the equation, Jokic would hands down be the best. Nash can't make a lot of passes that Nikola can because he's too small. How does that not make him anything but the superior passer?

[sdot_thadon]

Wouldn't pure passing skills isolate ball handling from the equation? What even is it, pure passing? If you separate scoring and ball handling from the equation, Jokic would hands down be the best. Nash can't make a lot of passes that Nikola can because he's too small. How does that not make him anything but the superior passer?

Maybe, but wouldn't that eliminate the guys who can make great passes with higher mobility?

[1987_Lakers]

Wouldn't pure passing skills isolate ball handling from the equation? What even is it, pure passing? If you separate scoring and ball handling from the equation, Jokic would hands down be the best. Nash can't make a lot of passes that Nikola can because he's too small. How does that not make him anything but the superior passer?

Yea, I believe Jokic could very well be seen as the GOAT passer by the time he retires. I honestly don't see any player with his court vision & his bag of passes. He's a smart passer too, turnovers in general are usually not an issue. One of the reasons why I put Kidd on the poll is because if you look at the players who are top 10 all time in APG, Kidd is the player on the list who was the worst scorer out of all of them. That to me is impressive because he didn't have the luxury of breaking down defenses with his scoring skills to rack up assists, during his prime he also didn't have the luxury of playing with any superstars like Magic & Stockton did.

[1987_Lakers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEwM14TocS0

[1987_Lakers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRRmjuKZ3bg&t

[Full Court]

Nothing with substance to add per usual on your part.

You said Jokic was an overrated passer who didn't deserve to be in the discussion and now you want Pistol Pete in the discussion who was a ball hog.

Your takes are awful.

You also whine about Jordan being a ball hog, and he's the consensus GOAT. Whether he was or was not a ball hog is irrelevant.

Don't worry though. This take of yours is going on the list of retarded things you've said. "Bu-bu-bu-but TOM BRADY!!!" :roll:

And did you even watch the video I posted? How many guys in the NBA can pass like that. Go ahead, list them.

[1987_Lakers]

You also whine about Jordan being a ball hog, and he's the consensus GOAT. Whether he was or was not a ball hog is irrelevant.

Don't worry though. This take of yours is going on the list of retarded things you've said. "Bu-bu-bu-but TOM BRADY!!!" :roll:

And did you even watch the video I posted? How many guys in the NBA can pass like that. Go ahead, list them.
How many guys can make the passes Jokic pulls?

You said Jokic was an overrated passer who does lots of high risks pass that lead to turnovers while not realizing Maravich was actually known for that. To make matters worse he averaged less assists & more turnovers than Jokic. :roll:

https://c.tenor.com/NBoOgmdfL2kAAAAC/tenor.gif

[Full Court]

How many guys can make the passes Jokic pulls?

You said Jokic was an overrated passer who does lots of high risks pass that lead to turnovers while not realizing Maravich was actually known for that. To make matters worse he averaged less assists & more turnovers than Jokic. :roll:

https://c.tenor.com/NBoOgmdfL2kAAAAC/tenor.gif

^Bitch is SHOOK! :roll:

Go ahead and make a poll if Maravich was a great passer or not. I'm sure you won't because by this time you're definitely tired of Full Court making a fool out of you over and over. Maravich was way ahead of his time. If you knew anything about basketball, or if you were half the basketball historian you fancy yourself to be, you'd know that.

Here, educate yourself homie:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2_Qo6b4jKQ

"Bu-bu-bu-bu-bu-but that STATZZ!!!!! :cry:"

:lol

[1987_Lakers]

"Jokic does a lot of high risks passes that lead to turnovers, doesn't belong on a list of best passers in NBA history."

Also fulltard...

"Pistol Pete is one of the great passers ever"

:roll:

[Full Court]

"Jokic does a lot of high risks passes that lead to turnovers, doesn't belong on a list of best passers in NBA history."

Also fulltard...

"Pistol Pete is one of the great passers ever"

:roll:

Proved both statements, and all you can do is fume and drool about it. :roll:



Full Court: [lost count]

Dudley: 0

Watching your hero choke away yet another playoff series this year was obviously rough on you.

:lebroncry:

[1987_Lakers]

Proved both statements

:roll:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?514823-Dumbest-Poster-on-ISH-2023-Edition&p=14850447&viewfull=1

[Baller234]

I can't believe someone with the user name 1987 Lakers thinks Jokic or anyone for that matter is a better passer than Magic.

[1987_Lakers]

I can't believe someone with the user name 1987 Lakers thinks Jokic or anyone for that matter is a better passer than Magic.

I think Jokic, Magic, & Nash have great arguments for #1.

I don't think people realize how insane it is for a center to average 10 APG for an entire season.

[Baller234]

I think Jokic, Magic, & Nash have great arguments for #1.

I don't think people realize how insane it is for a center to average 10 APG for an entire season.

This is insane. Jokic has probably never made a pass that Magic couldn't make. They called him Magic for a reason, because he was magic with the basketball. Now you see it now you don't type shit. He was the master of misdirection. If you watch his highlights sometimes you don't even see the ball leave his hands.

No other player has ever made you say "Wow" with their passing more than Magic. If you try and argue for anyone else you're lying.

[1987_Lakers]

This is insane. Jokic has probably never made a pass that Magic couldn't make. They called him Magic for a reason, because he was magic with the basketball. Now you see it now you don't type shit. He was the master of misdirection. If you watch his highlights sometimes you don't even see the ball leave his hands.

No other player has ever made you say "Wow" with their passing more than Magic. If you try and argue for anyone else you're lying.

I think Jokic is right there with the "wow" factor to be honest. His passes are out of this world.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhZnIvLgegg

I don't think I've seen Magic make a pass like that. But we are splitting hairs, both have numerous jaw dropping passes throughout their careers.

I think Magic is considered the current GOAT by most fans, but Jokic is still playing. Fans in general have a history of downplaying current players when comparing them to older players, it's always been like this. By the time Jokic is retired, it wouldn't surprise me if we have intense Jokic vs Magic passing debates with more people siding with Jokic compared to today.

[1987_Lakers]

I love this one. Very Larry Bird esque.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4c3FfqeHbA

[Im Still Ballin]

Nash, Magic, & Jokic are in that top tier for me, too.

[ArbitraryWater]

Id say LeBron James probably

[Full Court]

I think Jokic is right there with the "wow" factor to be honest. His passes are out of this world.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhZnIvLgegg

I don't think I've seen Magic make a pass like that. But we are splitting hairs, both have numerous jaw dropping passes throughout their careers.

I think Magic is considered the current GOAT by most fans, but Jokic is still playing. Fans in general have a history of downplaying current players when comparing them to older players, it's always been like this. By the time Jokic is retired, it wouldn't surprise me if we have intense Jokic vs Magic passing debates with more people siding with Jokic compared to today.

Now tell us again how you don't think Maravich was a great passer. :roll:

This clown has zero credibility.

[1987_Lakers]

Now tell us again how you don't think Maravich was a great passer. :roll:

This clown has zero credibility.

Speaking of credibility
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?514823-Dumbest-Poster-on-ISH-2023-Edition&p=14850447&viewfull=1

[Chick Stern]

Who remembers the way Nash would dribble under the net and find an open player for a layup? He constantly did this and it would confuse defenses. I think I would agree that Nash was the best half court passer ever. Magic with Kidd right behind him are the best fast break passers. Magic had the best combo of the fast break & half court IMO.

- Lonzgod is probably the GOAT outlet passer
- LeBron is the GOAT skip passer
- Jokic is the GOAT stationary passer
fify


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5N1179dl-c&pp

[Baller234]

@1987_Lakers

That Jokic pass was phenomenal of course but we both know who has the longer highlight reel. We both know that in terms of passes that really make you say "wow" Magic is #1 and it's not close.

[1987_Lakers]

@1987_Lakers

That Jokic pass was phenomenal of course but we both know who has the longer highlight reel. We both know that in terms of passes that really make you say "wow" Magic is #1 and it's not close.

Magic has a longer highlight reel because he ball dominated more and ran fast breaks which is something centers don't usually do.

Just like LeBron has a longer passing highlight reel than Bird, LeBron actually ran the offense, unlike Bird.

In terms of pure court vision and passing ability, Jokic is up there with Magic.

[1987_Lakers]

fify


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5N1179dl-c&pp


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTI-Cmkp87A

[Baller234]

Magic has a longer highlight reel because he ball dominated more and ran fast breaks which is something centers don't usually do.

Just like LeBron has a longer passing highlight reel than Bird, LeBron actually ran the offense, unlike Bird.

In terms of pure court vision and passing ability, Jokic is up there with Magic.

So Jokic is a better passer than Magic but he can't run a fast break? No disrespect to the Yolk man but that kind of ends the debate right there. :oldlol:

Each era has it's own privileges. Jokic has the luxury of open floors and having shooters waiting in every direction. In Magic's day it was way more about "setting up" guys and hitting them at the perfect time. Not saying Jokic doesn't excel at that too but it's less necessary now.

https://64.media.tumblr.com/94842c3b63354b1c9a1f5cf5cf778a48/tumblr_pd3boy4CQZ1xy0qzio1_400.gif

Here Magic beats THREE guys to hit his man for an open layup. None of them knew where it was going.

[1987_Lakers]

So Jokic is a better passer than Magic but he can't run a fast break?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SXZEyA1cdw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgeAgFaGdrY

[Phoenix]

I'll say this, Magic had to thread the needle in the half-court with packed paints. His eyes would fall out of his head with all the spacing he'd enjoy today.

[1987_Lakers]

I'll say this, Magic had to thread the needle in the half-court with packed paints. His eyes would fall out of his head with all the spacing he'd enjoy today.

If he played today, his passing would be better in the half court, but wouldn't have the same fast break opportunities. Teams in the 80's didn't stress transition defense like they do today. You go back and watch some 80's games and it's mind blowing how bad the transition D is at times. :lol

[Full Court]

1987_Loser over here getting brutalized in this thread. :lol

Nothing like doubling, and then TRIPLING, down on stupid.

Thinking Maravich wasn't a great passer, and thinking Jokic is on the same level as Magic....

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fimages.squarespace-cdn.com%2Fcontent%2Fv1%2F57125c2c2b8dde54a34b537f% 2F1547682957498-ZEA2QNZJAX4KBVD8M9PJ%2Fyoureanidiot.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=cc205159bf350cd30751dca48f8a73859d462fed555bde 0435ebae6afffecc3a

[1987_Lakers]

Nothing with substance per usual. :lol

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?514823-Dumbest-Poster-on-ISH-2023-Edition&p=14850447&viewfull=1

[warriorfan]

Dumbest thread in awhile. OP is autistic and doesn’t know ball.

[1987_Lakers]

Dumbest thread in awhile. OP is autistic and doesn’t know ball.

Let’s see your list.

We all know Draymond shits on Curry as a passer.

[warriorfan]

Let’s see your list.

We all know Draymond shits on Curry as a passer.

It’s an asinine topic. Very simplistic and has such wide and subjective criteria. It’s set up for a nonsensical circular argument that never ends.

It’s the type of thing kids would talk about in grade school.

[1987_Lakers]

It’s an asinine topic. Very simplistic and has such wide and subjective criteria. It’s set up for a nonsensical circular argument that never ends.

It’s the type of thing kids would talk about in grade school.

A guy who goes around calling people fat complaining about grade school topics. Lol


Thread is on page 7 for a reason.

[Full Court]

Nothing with substance per usual. :lol

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?514823-Dumbest-Poster-on-ISH-2023-Edition&p=14850447&viewfull=1

Bitch is SHOOK! :roll:

Can't even counter a single one of my arguments.

There are levels to this. Intellectual levels, that is. Come back when you level up about 4 levels.

:lebronamazed:

[1987_Lakers]

Bitch is SHOOK! :roll:

Can't even counter a single one of my arguments.

There are levels to this. Intellectual levels, that is. Come back when you level up about 4 levels.

:lebronamazed:

Let's be real, you were embarrassed by the fact that people called you out on your terrible take on Jokic so you came back to "redeem" yourself by mentioning Pistol Pete as one of the greatest passers ever to gather positive responses, only to have it backfire again. :oldlol:

My advice to you is stay away from threads where actual basketball is being discussed and continue to write love poems to Axe. That suits you better.

[Full Court]

Let's be real, you were embarrassed by the fact that people called you out on your terrible take on Jokic so you came back to "redeem" yourself by mentioning Pistol Pete as one of the greatest passers ever to gather positive responses, only to have it backfire again. :oldlol:

My advice to you is stay away from threads where actual basketball is being discussed and continue to write love poems to Axe. That suits you better.

Keep in mind, this clown also said Stockton wasn't a good passer. :roll:

And he thought the 2020 Heat were better than the '25 Pacers.

There's quite a lengthy list ist things like that to show his abysmal IQ.

And what's hilarious is that I had people backing me up on Pistol Pete. 1987_Loser had NOBODY.

But go ahead, Dudley, quadruple down on stupid.

:yaohappy:

[1987_Lakers]

Go ahead and make a poll if Maravich was a great passer or not.

Speaking of polls

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?514823-Dumbest-Poster-on-ISH-2023-Edition

:yaohappy:

[Full Court]

Speaking of polls

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?514823-Dumbest-Poster-on-ISH-2023-Edition

:yaohappy:

^Bitch is SHOOK!

So bitter that Full Court has outed him as a complete fool so many times. Why don't you post that link another 3 or 4 times. :roll:

Tell us again how Stockton wasn't a good passer. And how you never actually saw him play.

:lebronamazed:

[1987_Lakers]

^Bitch is SHOOK!

Posting in caps. It's pretty obvious who is shook.

https://c.tenor.com/nfOQkXIP8XoAAAAC/tenor.gif

[j3lademaster]

@OP

While I agree Stockton is a bit overrated, I still think he’s a bad omission. Just based on his numbers and rep alone, he garners enough respect to be put here for people who want to argue on his behalf.

Pistol Pete though…

:facepalm

[1987_Lakers]

@OP

While I agree Stockton is a bit overrated, I still think he’s a bad omission. Just based on his numbers and rep alone, he garners enough respect to be put here for people who want to argue on his behalf.

Pistol Pete though…

:facepalm

I probably should have put him in the poll even though I feel the players I chose were better passers. Hell, I'm a big LeBron fan and left him out, probably should have put him in as well.

And yea, it makes no sense to mention Pistol Pete after stating Jokic doesn't deserve to be in the discussion. :lol

[tpols]

Let’s see your list.

We all know Draymond shits on Curry as a passer.

Drays passing consists of handing the ball off to Curry and Klay lol. Or finding a wide open cutter under the basket off the action they provided to scramble the defense.

Its amazing you think hes a legit dime guy. Left wide open just handing the rock off to the greatest shooters ever doesn't make you that.

[1987_Lakers]

Drays passing consists of handing the ball off to Curry and Klay lol. Or finding a wide open cutter under the basket off the action they provided to scramble the defense.

Its amazing you think hes a legit dime guy. Left wide open just handing the rock off to the greatest shooters ever doesn't make you that.

Since the 2015 season, he has averaged over 6 APG without Steph in the lineup.

Here is a 16 assist game without Steph.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l20til8bpB8



Here is a playoff game with 11 assists without Curry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kxcg-uq5kUE

I don't believe me saying he is a better passer than Curry is some wild statement. Curry isn't exactly known for his dimes. :lol

[tpols]

What you just posted beyond proved the point. I watched that 1st video. Look at those passes. All simple passes anybody could make to wide open cutters and shooters.

Drays passing game is extremely rudimentary from a "flash" perspective as well. Which is why you created this thread. (to hate on John Stockton)

You almost never see a pass from Dray that is mind blowing or genius. Its all simple hand offs to shooters or finding a wide open guy at the rim off the double teams the shooters drew.

[warriorfan]

Drays passing consists of handing the ball off to Curry and Klay lol. Or finding a wide open cutter under the basket off the action they provided to scramble the defense.

Its amazing you think hes a legit dime guy. Left wide open just handing the rock off to the greatest shooters ever doesn't make you that.

This.

Dray can find wide open guys when it’s 4 on 3.

He’s not a guy initiating the offense while threading incredible passes.

[1987_Lakers]

What you just posted beyond proved the point. I watched that 1st video. Look at those passes. All simple passes anybody could make to wide open cutters and shooters.

Drays passing game is extremely rudimentary from a "flash" perspective as well. Which is why you created this thread. (to hate on John Stockton)

You almost never see a pass from Dray that is mind blowing or genius. Its all simple hand offs to shooters or finding a wide open guy at the rim off the double teams the shooters drew.

He has very good court vision, but I don't think anyone here is saying he is a top 5 passer ever.

My only statement was that he is a better passer than Curry and you got all defensive for some reason. :lol

Probably still upset that nobody took your Jason Williams post serious.

[1987_Lakers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG1uQPbp8-I

Curry would never.

[tpols]

Now if yall really want to see some flashy passing...

And he hasn't been mentioned yet...


https://youtu.be/6ye3D2nagUs?si=66xyA1RceetOZuWw

The move and pass he made at :33 is one of the most aesthetic dimes in NBA history.

You guys probably never seen it though.

[j3lademaster]

Now if yall really want to see some flashy passing...

And he hasn't been mentioned yet...


https://youtu.be/6ye3D2nagUs?si=66xyA1RceetOZuWw

The move and pass he made at :33 is one of the most aesthetic dimes in NBA history.

You guys probably never seen it though.

Are you really accusing a forum full of 30-40 something basketball nerds of never having seen Kobe Bryant play?

[tpols]

Are you really accusing a forum full of 30-40 something basketball nerds of never having seen Kobe Bryant play?

Most people here didn't watch til 2010 plus. And most dont know how spectacular Kobes assists were. He threw every type possible that exists. Stockton definitely doesn't have that highlight reel in that regard.

[1987_Lakers]

Most people here didn't watch til 2010 plus. And most dont know how spectacular Kobes assists were. He threw every type possible that exists. Stockton definitely doesn't have that highlight reel in that regard.
Too bad he wasn't the most willing passer.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS1Z7WP-kiMunHDxOK6DqH5ZQs77SXWUdj1lQ&s
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRIqrmCVcxxrlzY_8nD_0pT_aHYxUgxJ Mn7EQ&sV

[tpols]

He was the assist leader on 5 champion teams. Not many can say that. Only Magic I believe.

But thats besides the point. You wanted flash. I gave it to you.

[1987_Lakers]

He was the assist leader on 5 champion teams. Not many can say that. Only Magic I believe.

But thats besides the point. You wanted flash. I gave it to you.

Wasn't even better than Gasol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOEtYb2s_wM

[tpols]

Pau was a great big man passer. Him and Kobe had amazing chemistry due to the cumulative IQ and passing acumen.

But 3 dimes a game? With minimal flash? There's levels to these things. Kobe had him beat big time in dimes and the way he threw them.

[Full Court]

Posting in caps. It's pretty obvious who is shook.



^Something a shook bitch would say. :roll:

Interesting that this loser would be a big fan of






LeLoser. :lol

:lebronamazed:

[1987_Lakers]

Pistol Pete though…

:facepalm


:lebronamazed:

[warriorfan]

what a great thread

[Full Court]

what a great thread

You called it spot on. 1987_Loser thought this thread was a clever way to denigrate Stockton after getting destroyed when he tried downplaying him in the other thread.

He thought it was clever, but everyone's calling him out for being a complete idiot. :lol

[RRR3]

You called it spot on. 1987_Loser thought this thread was a clever way to denigrate Stockton after getting destroyed when he tried downplaying him in the other thread.

He thought it was clever, but everyone's calling him out for being a complete idiot. :lol
You were voted the biggest idiot on ISH

[Full Court]

You were voted the biggest idiot on ISH

All Bronie fluffer alts. :lol About as legit as LeShrivel's 2020 "ring."

I find it hilarious how much I trigger you losers.

:lebronamazed:

[warriorfan]

You called it spot on. 1987_Loser thought this thread was a clever way to denigrate Stockton after getting destroyed when he tried downplaying him in the other thread.

He thought it was clever, but everyone's calling him out for being a complete idiot. :lol

Everyone of his threads is some thinly veiled agenda push. (A lot of them regarding to players who he never saw play)

He’s a really weird guy.

[Full Court]

Everyone of his threads is some thinly veiled agenda push. (A lot of them regarding to players who he never saw play)

He’s a really weird guy.

Yeah, it's all a byproduct of his insecurity.

[FilmyCogTurner]

Great vision for sure, but one of my problems with him is that he made some of those fancy passes even when they were not necessary that often ended in some turnovers. I understand top tier passers make some risky passes here and there, but he took it to another level. lol

He was the J.R. Smith of point guards in terms of B-ball IQ.

I think for guys like him it's harder to do the simple pass rather than do the special one. I have the same thing when I hoop.

[1987_Lakers]

You were voted the biggest idiot on ISH

:roll:

[1987_Lakers]

https://static.wikitide.net/loathsomecharacterswiki/8/8b/Randall_weems.jpg

https://i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-000395842611-c6sag7-t500x500.jpg

[Full Court]

Serious question: Which of the following two statements is more retarded?

1) The 2020 Heat were better than the 2025 Pacers.

or

2) Pete Maravich wasn't a great passer.


https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia1.tenor.com%2Fm%2FH8akeoCjEZ sAAAAC%2Fincredulous-cormier.gif&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=ba30cdd8590492cc01ff06a91129a7aa602a1bdabe9add a6b6ddb0496f393f0e

[Patrick Chewing]

Pete Maravich for sure

[1987_Lakers]

Which of the following two statements is more retarded?

1. Jokic does not belong in the all-time great passers discussion, but Maravich does

2. OKC has a 3-1 lead vs Indiana

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia1.tenor.com%2Fm%2FH8akeoCjEZ sAAAAC%2Fincredulous-cormier.gif&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=ba30cdd8590492cc01ff06a91129a7aa602a1bdabe9add a6b6ddb0496f393f0e

[Full Court]

Serious question: Which of the following two statements is more retarded?

1) Tom Brady is the biggest choker in NBA history.

or

2) Chris Paul is better than John Stockton.


https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2FfDQiG23 bfZsSk%2Fgiphy.gif&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=f8ec3d8f55c9abd10a8e5d88eec6c35ad80fc0fd84c0c8 57fa1ee0ddba363333

[1987_Lakers]

The posters have spoken

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?514823-Dumbest-Poster-on-ISH-2023-Edition

[Full Court]

^Bitch is SHOOK!

:roll:

It's ok, mijo. LeShrivel is still ahead of Kobe on the all time list.


Barely.

:lebronamazed:

[1987_Lakers]

And who can forget when he thought Kyrie was on the '18 Cavs roster. :lol

[Hey Yo]

And who can forget when he thought Kyrie was on the '18 Cavs roster. :lol

And he thought Don Nelson got into the HOF due to his playing days

[Overdrive]

And didn't know Arvydas Sabonis existed.

[Full Court]

I've got all the Bronie fluffers shook here. :roll:

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.tenor.co%2Fimages%2F6acf377 7f1a846b2c0f265b7b455984b%2Fraw&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=5db5fd41b3b8cd6c659355c3fa034b4dfe01036fcfcf16 dee37950176b243f9c

Any of you other clowns want to go on record and say that Maravich wasn't a great passer?

Come on. I dare you.

[1987_Lakers]

And he thought Don Nelson got into the HOF due to his playing days


And didn't know Arvydas Sabonis existed.

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.tenor.co%2Fimages%2F6acf377 7f1a846b2c0f265b7b455984b%2Fraw&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=5db5fd41b3b8cd6c659355c3fa034b4dfe01036fcfcf16 dee37950176b243f9c

[tpols]

Has Vlade Divac been mentioned?


https://youtu.be/m4W6xApODow?si=_73Kb0Un83HmVqqA

He pioneered Yolk. White boys with super high IQ.

[Full Court]

I've got all the Bronie fluffers shook here. :roll:

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.tenor.co%2Fimages%2F6acf377 7f1a846b2c0f265b7b455984b%2Fraw&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=5db5fd41b3b8cd6c659355c3fa034b4dfe01036fcfcf16 dee37950176b243f9c

Any of you other clowns want to go on record and say that Maravich wasn't a great passer?

Come on. I dare you.

^Yo, OP. Check it out homie. Not even your fellow Bronie fluffers will back you up on this one.

Axe levels of dumb. Suck on that for a while.

:lebronamazed:

[BarberSchool]

Best passer is no different than best shooter.

The efficiency aspect of it has to be factored in greatly.

Just because a player could hit the toughest, most contested 3 pointers doesn't mean he is the best shooter. Jason Williams belongs nowhere near this list for the fact he never accumulated a lot of assists and he was very risky with the passes. It's an awful pass if it ends up in the other teams hands going the other way for a fastbreak.

I think Steve Nash was the best half court passer I've seen and Magic the best fast break passer (not even close)

Stockton was likely the best combination of the two aspects.Carbine MF nailed it to the wall here. Agree completely.

[BarberSchool]

Has Vlade Divac been mentioned?


https://youtu.be/m4W6xApODow?si=_73Kb0Un83HmVqqA

He pioneered Yolk. White boys with super high IQ.That Sacramento team was literally the first team other than the Bulls that I absolutely loved. Such an incredible run they had, despite being confirmed robbed by the league (per donaghy). Ball movement and fluidity, beauty, all on full, magnificient display.

Champions in my book, no doubt.

[Manny98]

God that aids having ****** Magic is so overrated

Jokic is clearly the best passer ever

[1987_Lakers]

God that aids having ****** Magic is so overrated

Jokic is clearly the best passer ever

Jokic will get his shine when he is retired.

Pretty sure there were old heads arguing for Cousy as the GOAT passer while Magic was still in the league.

Not diminishing Magic at all, but active players don't get appreciated until they are retired.

[Full Court]

Jokic will get his shine when he is retired.

Pretty sure there were old heads arguing for Cousy as the GOAT passer while Magic was still in the league.

Not diminishing Magic at all, but active players don't get appreciated until they are retired.

It's the opposite. Agenda driven people like you do everything they can to disparage all the former players.

"Du-du-du-duuuuh Stockton wasn't a good passer. Chris the Paul was better. Me dummy."

And for some people it's genuine recency bias.

I'll tell you whose career won't age well when he retires is Lebron.

:lebroncry:

[1987_Lakers]

It's the opposite. Agenda driven people like you do everything they can to disparage all the former players.

"Du-du-du-duuuuh Stockton wasn't a good passer. Chris the Paul was better. Me dummy."

And for some people it's genuine recency bias.

I'll tell you whose career won't age well when he retires is Lebron.

:lebroncry:

You think Pete Maravich is a better passer than Jokic. Nuff said. :lol

[Full Court]

You think Pete Maravich is a better passer than Jokic. Nuff said. :lol

You think Stockton wasn't a good passer. Confirmed moron. :lol

[1987_Lakers]

You think Stockton wasn't a good passer. Confirmed moron. :lol

Nobody has said this, but I think it's obvious you know nothing about Stockton's game. It was confirmed in the other thread and you didn't even know he was known as a dirty player.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497137-All-dirty-first-team&p=14427321&viewfull=1#post14427321

Ouch

[RRR3]

Nobody has said this, but I think it's obvious you know nothing about Stockton's game. It was confirmed in the other thread and you didn't even know he was known as a dirty player.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497137-All-dirty-first-team&p=14427321&viewfull=1#post14427321

Ouch
Even I knew that and I was a child when Stockton retired :lol


Dull Court at it again! The official dumbest poster on ish :bowdown:

[Full Court]

Nobody has said this, but I think it's obvious you know nothing about Stockton's game. It was confirmed in the other thread and you didn't even know he was known as a dirty player.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497137-All-dirty-first-team&p=14427321&viewfull=1#post14427321

Ouch

You did. You said he was overrated because all his passes were basic. And Maravich wasn't a good passer because he was too flashy. :lol

Nice try, Dudley, but you can't pull one over on Full Court.

[1987_Lakers]

Even I knew that and I was a child when Stockton retired :lol


Dull Court at it again! The official dumbest poster on ish :bowdown:

:lol

[Full Court]

Nobody has said this, but I think it's obvious you know nothing about Stockton's game. It was confirmed in the other thread and you didn't even know he was known as a dirty player.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497137-All-dirty-first-team&p=14427321&viewfull=1#post14427321

Ouch


Bitch is SHOOK! Trying to backtrack now that he realizes even his fellow Bronie fluffers know he's an idiot. :roll:

Full Court knows.

[1987_Lakers]

Bitch is SHOOK! Trying to backtrack now that he realizes even his fellow Bronie fluffers know he's an idiot. :roll:

Full Court knows.

I never once said he wasn't a good passer. Find me the exact quote.

You on the other hand didn't even know he was known as a dirty player.

I would have never posted that link if you just stopped replying, but you just couldn't help yourself.:lol

[Full Court]

I never once said he wasn't a good passer. Find me the exact quote.

You on the other hand didn't even know he was known as a dirty player.

I would have never posted that link if you just stopped replying, but you just couldn't help yourself.:lol

^Desperate idiot straight up making stuff up again. :roll:

Because that's all he's got. He should know by now he can't go head to head with Full Court.

:lebronamazed:

[Akeem34TheDream]

It's Alperen Şengün

[1987_Lakers]

^Desperate idiot straight up making stuff up again. :roll:







Stockton wasn't a dirty player. Gritty? Sure. But I wouldn't classify him as a dirty player by any stretch.


My thoughts exactly. What's Stockton doing on an all-dirty team? And not Malone??


Everyone used to call Stockton dirty. Players and fans too. It just kinda got forgotten I guess.


https://youtu.be/HPyALLbbyNw


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497137-All-dirty-first-team&p=14427321&viewfull=1#post14427321

Ouch

[Full Court]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497137-All-dirty-first-team&p=14427321&viewfull=1#post14427321

Ouch

"Everyone" used to call John Stockton dirty. Ok, chico. Steve Kerr = everybody in your mind.

You're just bitter because I had to educate you on Maravich's passing ability.

Can you even imagine calling yourself a basketball historian and not knowing that Maravich was a great passer???

:roll:

[1987_Lakers]

"Everyone" used to call John Stockton dirty. Ok, chico. Steve Kerr = everybody in your mind.


Just one of those weird things. Players all called him dirty but it was for things less obvious than some bigs. Stockton came in second to Rodman in a 29 player poll on dirtiest in the league in 97:

Ouch

[Overdrive]

You did. You said he was overrated because all his passes were basic. And Maravich wasn't a good passer because he was too flashy. :lol

Nice try, Dudley, but you can't pull one over on Full Court.

There's a difference between saying someone is overrated or someone is bad.

[RRR3]

There's a difference between saying someone is overrated or someone is bad.
To be fair his IQ is in the 60s. If you haven’t noticed.

[Full Court]

To be fair his IQ is in the 60s. If you haven’t noticed.

Do you have the balls to go on record and say that Pete Maravich isn't one of the great passers?

Because educating idiots like you is what I do. :lol

[1987_Lakers]

There's a difference between saying someone is overrated or someone is bad.

:lol

[Carbine]

Jokic is definitely in the discussion. Did anyone see his pass the other day? Insane. He has "it"

[1987_Lakers]

Jokic is definitely in the discussion. Did anyone see his pass the other day? Insane. He has "it"

https://youtube.com/shorts/wXoByAOy8ws?si=XqFahc7cyNYEITwG

[j3lademaster]

I’d say Maravich isn’t even as good as Ginobili as a passer. And Ginobili was very good, but no one is calling him all time great as a passer. All time great is telling me you can consistently catalyze top 3 offenses with your passing.

[Full Court]

I’d say Maravich isn’t even as good as Ginobili as a passer. And Ginobili was very good, but no one is calling him all time great as a passer. All time great is telling me you can consistently catalyze top 3 offenses with your passing.

:roll:

^Dude needs serious educating.

[Tavr]

:roll:

^Dude needs serious educating.

I seriously cant tell if they're trolling lol. Type "best nba passers of all time" into google and Jason Williams/Pete Maravich immediately pop up (literally). Why? Because most basketball fans recognize they're great RAW passers. Conducting an offense is...an entirely different skill.

[Full Court]

I seriously cant tell if they're trolling lol. Type "best nba passers of all time" into google and Jason Williams/Pete Maravich immediately pop up (literally). Why? Because most basketball fans recognize they're great RAW passers. Conducting an offense is...an entirely different skill.

Yep. It really should be a no brainer. Funny how every single one of the idiots who don't realize or want to admit that Maravich was one of the great passers are Bronie fluffers. Hmmmmmmmmmm.

[1987_Lakers]

I seriously cant tell if they're trolling lol. Type "best nba passers of all time" into google and Jason Williams/Pete Maravich immediately pop up (literally). Why? Because most basketball fans recognize they're great RAW passers. Conducting an offense is...an entirely different skill.

You know who also pops up? Michael Jordan.

:roll:

I agree that Manu shits on Pistol Pete as an overall passer.

[marLeY baLL]

me

[1987_Lakers]

Jokic is an overrated passer. He does a lot of super high risk passes that, when they go through, make people ooh and aah, but most of the time they are unnecessary, and many times lead to boneheaded turnovers.

He certainly doesn't belong on a list of best passers in NBA history.

Never forget this post.

Dude thinks Pistol Pete is a better passer. :oldlol:

[j3lademaster]

You know who also pops up? Michael Jordan.

:roll:

I agree that Manu shits on Pistol Pete as an overall passer.

Russell Westbrook is on there as well :facepalm

[1987_Lakers]

Russell Westbrook is on there as well :facepalm

I can't believe someone would use that as a source. :lol

Harden, who isn't even on that google list was a better passer than Westbrook.

The list even has Wilt who wasn't known as a passer until he began to stat pad his assist numbers, someone like Walton was a superior passer, who also isn't on the list. Hell, you could make a great argument for Bill Russell being a better passer than Wilt.

[Full Court]

Never forget this post.

Dude thinks Pistol Pete is a better passer. :oldlol:

That post is spot on. We've already established that you don't have a clue about what you're watching. That's assuming you even watch basketball. I wouldn't be surprised at all if you just look at basketball-reference.com and study stats about which you know nothing about to form your opinions. :lol

[1987_Lakers]

That post is spot on. We've already established that you don't have a clue about what you're watching. That's assuming you even watch basketball. I wouldn't be surprised at all if you just look at basketball-reference.com and study stats about which you know nothing about to form your opinions. :lol

I know for sure that is what you have been doing these past few days.

Shook!

[RRR3]

You'd have to be braindead to say Jokic often does unnecessary passes that lead to turnovers for the sake of flash when he has an excellent assist to turnover ratio and then turn around and say Pete Maravich (who had a hideously bad AST/TO ratio) was the opposite of that. Like, you are not even grasping why what you said is wrong despite it being very obvious with the least bit of critical thinking skills. I genuinely think Full Court would struggle with object permanence.

[Tavr]

Yep. It really should be a no brainer. Funny how every single one of the idiots who don't realize or want to admit that Maravich was one of the great passers are Bronie fluffers. Hmmmmmmmmmm.

Why am I not surprised. :lol

In other news, Pete Maravich couldn't pass the ball. His assists per game was too low.

[1987_Lakers]

You'd have to be braindead to say Jokic often does unnecessary passes that lead to turnovers for the sake of flash when he has an excellent assist to turnover ratio and then turn around and say Pete Maravich (who had a hideously bad AST/TO ratio) was the opposite of that. Like, you are not even grasping why what you said is wrong despite it being very obvious with the least bit of critical thinking skills. I genuinely think Full Court would struggle with object permanence.

That's what makes full tard mentioning Pistol Pete even funnier.

Shits on Jokic for making unnecessary passes that lead to turnovers (Which is something he is not known for), then later on praises Pistol Pete who was known for exactly that.

You can't make this shit up. :lol

[Carbine]

Yeah, that makes no logical sense whatsoever.

[j3lademaster]

Why am I not surprised. :lol

In other news, Pete Maravich couldn't pass the ball. His assists per game was too low.

No one made that claim, can we avoid the bad faith here?

[Tavr]

No one made that claim, can we avoid the bad faith here?

Isnt that OP's forte? :lol I mean, there's literally film of guys like Jason Williams and Pete Maravich showcasing their passing ability. :confusedshrug: Maybe we have different definitions of "great" but passing has never just been about running an offense. We're talking about a technical skill here.

If we're debating the best offensive conductors, then sure. They wouldn't make the cut.

[warriorfan]

Passing is dope and an underrated skill for sure but it doesn’t change the fact that it’s fundamentally beta AF


Would you rather be the best passer or the best scorer?

Yeah.

[Full Court]

That's what makes full tard mentioning Pistol Pete even funnier.

Shits on Jokic for making unnecessary passes that lead to turnovers (Which is something he is not known for), then later on praises Pistol Pete who was known for exactly that.

You can't make this shit up. :lol

Soooooooo bitter that Full Court educated him once again. Funny thing is, just about everyone agrees with me on this. Plus Maravich is on most lists of greatest passers.

Suck on that for a while, Dudley. :lol

[1987_Lakers]

Yeah, that makes no logical sense whatsoever.

:lol

[tpols]

No one made that claim, can we avoid the bad faith here?


Its not really bad faith at all though.

OP made a thread where he wanted to see flashy aesthetic dime guys. Mostly because he got in an argument about John Stockton somewhere else and felt petty about it.

Full Court may not always present the best arguments but hes on point mentioning Pistol Pete for his chabazz. Which was the point of the thread. And then 1987 all of a sudden wants to turn around and use assist to turnover ratios and efficiency metrics like Stockton didn't dominate those.

Tis thread was a massive backfire mate.

[1987_Lakers]

Its not really bad faith at all though.

OP made a thread where he wanted to see flashy aesthetic dime guys. Mostly because he got in an argument about John Stockton somewhere else and felt petty about it.

Full Court may not always present the best arguments but hes on point mentioning Pistol Pete for his chabazz. Which was the point of the thread. And then 1987 all of a sudden wants to turn around and use assist to turnover ratios and efficiency metrics like Stockton didn't dominate those.

Tis thread was a massive backfire mate.

You just confused what I asked for. I said pure passing with court vision and creativity. Not players who play like globetrotters with low basketball IQ who throw unnecessary passes that lead to turnovers. Seriously, how good is your court vision when you have a bad Assist/turnover ratio? You are just upset because nobody backed you up when you brought up Jason Williams, but even I prefer Jason Williams over Pistol Pete as a passer, he wasn't a ball hog (at least nowhere near Pete's level) and didn't turn the ball over as much as Pistol Pete.

The reason why I specified that in the OP is because people confuse passing with playmaking.

[1987_Lakers]

Isnt that OP's forte?

Speaking of arguing in bad faith, you in the other thread mentioned Magic in the discussion for best offensive player ever but dismissed LeBron because he "didn't play off ball" and "didn't have a jumper the first half of his career." While not realizing Magic had those exact same flaws. Why does Magic get a pass for that and not LeBron? You don't know shit about the game and if I see you in the streets, I'm putting you to sleep.

https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExOG9sbjl4Nm93a2w0ZzZndW1vaDI5c3F 0bHd4YXViZmxvOWx2NjZzeiZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfY nlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/6rTQC2UiX9AOI/giphy.gif

[j3lademaster]

Its not really bad faith at all though.

OP made a thread where he wanted to see flashy aesthetic dime guys. Mostly because he got in an argument about John Stockton somewhere else and felt petty about it.

Full Court may not always present the best arguments but hes on point mentioning Pistol Pete for his chabazz. Which was the point of the thread. And then 1987 all of a sudden wants to turn around and use assist to turnover ratios and efficiency metrics like Stockton didn't dominate those.

Tis thread was a massive backfire mate.

It's bad faith because no one said Maravich can't pass, he just doesn't belong on a list with the guys in the poll. He's closer to Dwyane Wade than he is to Magic, is that fair? 'Pure passing' means the player has to be able to make simple passes too, and vision means the player should have a decent assist:to ratio, otherwise if it's just pizzazz and highlights you can probably make a decent reel of Barkley and claim he belongs here.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsBh1aenBw0&ab_channel=lookluk

This may be the sickest behind the back pass of all time.

I 1000% agree Stockton is a bad omission and brought that up in this same thread. I personally think he's a bit overrated, but there's no denying what he's done and his assist totals and rep alone should give him enough clout to be in the convo.

[Tavr]

Speaking of arguing in bad faith, you in the other thread mentioned Magic in the discussion for best offensive player ever but dismissed LeBron because he "didn't play off ball" and "didn't have a jumper the first half of his career." While not realizing Magic had those exact same flaws. Why does Magic get a pass for that and not LeBron? You don't know shit about the game and if I see you in the streets, I'm putting you to sleep.

Good one cornball. This is another low iq and dishonest post, though. LeBron was ousted in response to you foolishly leaving out Curry. You know...arguably the greatest offensive player ever.

Another day where you struggle to keep up :lol

[1987_Lakers]

Good one cornball. This is another low iq and dishonest post, though. LeBron was ousted in response to you foolishly leaving out Curry. You know...arguably the greatest offensive player ever.

Another day where you struggle to keep up :lol

You literally stated what I posted. Mentioning a player like Magic but leaving out LeBron for the flaws Magic had. Your lack of self awareness is funny to say the least.

And speaking of being dishonest I stated Curry has a convo for being top 5. You should look at yourself in the mirror.

[Carbine]

There is no arguably about it when it comes to Steph being the goat offensive player - he is NOT.

The GOAT standard has to involve the finals. You have to perform on the biggest stage. For as many finals games as he has played he has scored 35+ only four times and dished ten plus dimes only fourm All of his major numbers go DOWN from his regular season standards. This is not GOAT worthy whatsoever. Almost every playoff his stats go down as well compared to that particular regular season of his.


Jordan not only has the regular seasons worthy of GOAT offensive status, his level actually goes UP in the playoffs from that regular season standard. He has as many 40+ pt finals games in a week of play as Curry did his whole career. Jordans iconic moments came in large part from the finals and in the playoffs.

If anyone from this era has a GOAT offense debate, even though it is weak vs Jordan as well it would be Jokic

[tpols]

There is no arguably about it when it comes to Steph being the goat offensive player - he is NOT.

The GOAT standard has to involve the finals. You have to perform on the biggest stage. For as many finals games as he has played he has scored 35+ only four times and dished ten plus dimes only fourm All of his major numbers go DOWN from his regular season standards. This is not GOAT worthy whatsoever. Almost every playoff his stats go down as well compared to that particular regular season of his.


Jordan not only has the regular seasons worthy of GOAT offensive status, his level actually goes UP in the playoffs from that regular season standard. He has as many 40+ pt finals games in a week of play as Curry did his whole career. Jordans iconic moments came in large part from the finals and in the playoffs.

If anyone from this era has a GOAT offense debate, even though it is weak vs Jordan as well it would be Jokic

Currys Finals production is super elite. Hes had one bad series there ~ 2016. Otherwise awesome.

Lebrons a GOAT but may as well peg his whole career down to 2011. The Finals.

Take the red nose and big shoes off for a second. Wipe the paint off your face.

[Carbine]

Not once did I mention Lebron. Update your Troll programming please.

[tpols]

You made a dumb argument. So I had to give you a slap. Curry has awesome Finals performances outside one year. His production is phenomenal. He ain't MJ level killer. But then again nobody is.

[Carbine]

Your last sentence is all that was needed. Carry on.

[Full Court]

It's bad faith because no one said Maravich can't pass, he just doesn't belong on a list with the guys in the poll. He's closer to Dwyane Wade than he is to Magic, is that fair? 'Pure passing' means the player has to be able to make simple passes too, and vision means the player should have a decent assist:to ratio, otherwise if it's just pizzazz and highlights you can probably make a decent reel of Barkley and claim he belongs here.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsBh1aenBw0&ab_channel=lookluk

This may be the sickest behind the back pass of all time.

I 1000% agree Stockton is a bad omission and brought that up in this same thread. I personally think he's a bit overrated, but there's no denying what he's done and his assist totals and rep alone should give him enough clout to be in the convo.

See. Absolutely everyone thinks OP is retarded.

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2FfDQiG23 bfZsSk%2Fgiphy.gif&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=830c0ff9c607ee8158160fbd8c8a4e24f9b2442f933e9a 6002889cc3d2906854


Axe hasn't been around for a while. So I guess someone had to take his spot as dumbest poster in the history of ISH.

:yaohappy:

[1987_Lakers]

Full Court may not always present the best arguments

Understatement of the year. :lol

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[Full Court]

To use basketball slang, 1987_Loser is getting posterized all up and down this thread. :roll:

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[1987_Lakers]

Speaking of getting posterized in this thread.


And he thought Don Nelson got into the HOF due to his playing days


And didn't know Arvydas Sabonis existed.


Full Court may not always present the best arguments


https://c.tenor.com/nfOQkXIP8XoAAAAC/tenor.gif

[Full Court]

Speaking of getting posterized in this thread.








https://c.tenor.com/nfOQkXIP8XoAAAAC/tenor.gif

I look at Bronie fluffers throwing bitch fits as a measure of success. :lol It means Full Court is winning.

Suck on that for a while, Dudley.

:lebronamazed:

[1987_Lakers]

I look at Bronie fluffers throwing bitch fits as a measure of success. :lol It means Full Court is winning.

Suck on that for a while, Dudley.

:lebronamazed:

Only thing you have won is this dumbest poster on ISH poll

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?514823-Dumbest-Poster-on-ISH-2023-Edition

Suck on that for a while

https://c.tenor.com/nfOQkXIP8XoAAAAC/tenor.gif

[Full Court]

Only thing you have won is this dumbest poster on ISH poll

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?514823-Dumbest-Poster-on-ISH-2023-Edition

Suck on that for a while

https://c.tenor.com/nfOQkXIP8XoAAAAC/tenor.gif

In just the last day I've won the argument over Maravich being a great passer. And it must make you SEETHE. :lol

Suck on that for a while, dudley.

:lebronamazed:

[j3lademaster]

In just the last day I've won the argument over Maravich being a great passer. And it must make you SEETHE. :lol

Suck on that for a while, dudley.

:lebronamazed:

What do you mean by 'great'? Because if you bring up a player being a 'great' passer in the context of this thread you are automatically putting them on a short list with the guys in the poll and I think that's where you lost people

[Full Court]

What do you mean by 'great'? Because if you bring up a player being a 'great' passer in the context of this thread you are automatically putting them on a short list with the guys in the poll and I think that's where you lost people

Top 15 for sure. An argument for top 10. That should meet any reasonable person's definition of "great."

Incidentally, top 15 is probably around where I'd put Jokic. Yeah, he's a great passer, but he shouldn't even be in the conversation for greatest passer in NBA history. That's some extreme recency bias.

[1987_Lakers]

Top 15 for sure. An argument for top 10. That should meet any reasonable person's definition of "great."

Incidentally, top 15 is probably around where I'd put Jokic. Yeah, he's a great passer, but he shouldn't even be in the conversation for greatest passer in NBA history. That's some extreme recency bias.

https://media.tenor.com/DROH7CYS7yoAAAAM/hysterical-laughter.gif

Name 12 passers better than Jokic.

And there is no way this dude actually thinks Pistol Pete is a better passer. :oldlol:

[Full Court]

https://media.tenor.com/DROH7CYS7yoAAAAM/hysterical-laughter.gif

Name 12 passers better than Jokic.

And there is no way this dude actually thinks Pistol Pete is a better passer. :oldlol:

^DAMAGE CONTROL. Nice try :lol

You got outed for being a basketball ignoramus. Again.

[RRR3]

^DAMAGE CONTROL. Nice try :lol

You got outed for being a basketball ignoramus. Again.
Name 12 passers better than Jokic.

[Full Court]

https://media.tenor.com/DROH7CYS7yoAAAAM/hysterical-laughter.gif

Name 12 passers better than Jokic.

And there is no way this dude actually thinks Pistol Pete is a better passer. :oldlol:

Bird
Stockton
Oscar Robinson
Magic
Kidd
Nash
Mark Jackson
Cousey
Chris Paul
Rondo
Maravich
Thomas



"Bu-bu-bu-bu-bu-but TOM BRADY!!!!!"

:roll:

[1987_Lakers]

Bird
Stockton
Oscar Robinson
Magic
Kidd
Nash
Mark Jackson
Cousey
Chris Paul
Rondo
Maravich
Thomas



"Bu-bu-bu-bu-bu-but TOM BRADY!!!!!"

:roll:
https://media.tenor.com/DROH7CYS7yoAAAAM/hysterical-laughter.gif

Dude also spelled Cousy wrong.

[RRR3]

Oscar Robinson.

[1987_Lakers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhqViKHflg4&t

Jokic wouldn't miss a pass like this

[1987_Lakers]

Oscar Robinson.

I missed this.

Holy shit.

:roll:

[1987_Lakers]

Bird
Stockton
Oscar Robinson
Magic
Kidd
Nash
Mark Jackson
Cousey
Chris Paul
Rondo
Maravich
Thomas



"Bu-bu-bu-bu-bu-but TOM BRADY!!!!!"

:roll:


Dude had to take the bait, he couldn't help himself. :lol

[Full Court]

Dude had to take the bait, he couldn't help himself. :lol

There you go. More typos for you to declare yourself a moral victory. :roll:

But you still can't attack the substance of my arguments. Not without outing yourself as a complete idiot.

[1987_Lakers]

Typing Robinson instead of Robertson is all of a sudden a typo. :roll:

You got exposed.

[RRR3]

Typing Robinson instead of Robertson is all of a sudden a typo. :roll:

You got exposed.
I love how whenever he says something blatantly wrong he tries to say “duh-uhhh-uhhh it was a typo”. His IQ is literally in the 60s it’s unbelievable how stupid he is.

[Full Court]

Typing Robinson instead of Robertson is all of a sudden a typo. :roll:

You got exposed.

^Desperation. :roll:

The only thing that's gotten exposed in this thread is your teeny tiny brain. Imagine not know that John freaking Stockton and Pete Maravich were great passers...

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Just like you didn't know that Sabonis made the all star team. :lol

[RRR3]

^Desperation. :roll:

The only thing that's gotten exposed in this thread is your teeny tiny brain. Imagine not know that John freaking Stockton and Pete Maravich were great passers...

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Just like you didn't know that Sabonis made the all star team. :lol
You were voted the dumbest poster on ISH by a huge margin.

[1987_Lakers]

And adding an unnecessary E in Cousy is not a typo. Not a coincidence that both players he misspelled were older 50's/60's players. He's probably never even heard of them until now.

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[warriorfan]

And adding an unnecessary E in Cousy is not a typo. Not a coincidence that both players he misspelled were older 50's/60's players. He's probably never even heard of them until now.

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Someone misspelled a player’s name from 75 years ago!

You are a nerd.

[1987_Lakers]

Someone misspelled a player’s name from 75 years ago!

You are a nerd.

Oscar Robinson :roll:

[Full Court]

Someone misspelled a player’s name from 75 years ago!

You are a nerd.

Yep, he's desperate. He gets destroyed in actual debate, so that's all he's got. "He misspelled a word! I got 'im now!!"

:roll:

Moron trying to say Stockton wasn't a great passer.

:lebronamazed:

[1987_Lakers]

Yep, he's desperate. He gets destroyed in actual debate, so that's all he's got. "He misspelled a word! I got 'im now!!"

:roll:

Moron trying to say Stockton wasn't a great passer.

:lebronamazed:

Oscar Robinson. Bob Cousey :roll:

No worries, I know you misspelled them because I know you didn’t know they existed until yesterday.

[Full Court]

Oscar Robinson. Bob Cousey :roll:

No worries, I know you misspelled them because I know you didn’t know they existed until yesterday.

^Bitch is SHOOK.

Can't even figure out a way to rebut the fact that Oscar Robinson was a better passer than Jokic.

:lebronamazed:

[RRR3]

^Bitch is SHOOK.

Can't even figure out a way to rebut the fact that Oscar Robinson was a better passer than Jokic.

:lebronamazed:
Who is Oscar Robinson?

[1987_Lakers]

Who is Oscar Robinson?

:oldlol:

[Full Court]

Who is Oscar Robinson?

Here's a hint for the low IQ amongst us:


Oscar Robinson doesn't have nearly as many choke jobs as Lebron James.


:lebronamazed:

[RRR3]

Here's a hint for the low IQ amongst us:


Oscar Robinson doesn't have nearly as many choke jobs as Lebron James.


:lebronamazed:
Oscar Robinson never played a single game in the NBA. He did play cricket though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Robinson



Not sure why you’re saying he was a great basketball passer when that wasn’t even his sport. Talk about low IQ

[Full Court]

Oscar Robinson never played a single game in the NBA. He did play cricket though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Robinson



Not sure why you’re saying he was a great basketball passer when that wasn’t even his sport. Talk about low IQ

You really sound like a drooling idiot right now.




Probably because you are.

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:roll: Moron.

[1987_Lakers]

Oscar Robinson doesn't have nearly as many choke jobs as Lebron James.


:lebronamazed:

I would hope not, given the fact that he never played in the NBA.

[Full Court]

I would hope not, given the fact that he never played in the NBA.

Remember the time you threw bitch fit because I spelled Bronie's teammate "Chris Bosch"?

:roll:

I guess if that's what you have to do to distract from the fact you're getting destroyed in the debate, then go for it.

But it ain't gonna work on Full Court.

You're not going to weasel your way out of saying Maravich wasn't a great passer.

[RRR3]

Oscar Robinson.

[1987_Lakers]

Remember the time you threw bitch fit because I spelled Bronie's teammate "Chris Bosch"

This never happened. But keep making up stories in your head to justify your big blunder in this thread.

Oscar Robinson

[Full Court]

This never happened. But keep making up stories in your head to justify your big blunder in this thread.

Oscar Robinson

Oh yes it did.

What also happened was that you said Maravich wasn't a great passer. You have the basketball IQ of a toad. And that is a fact. :lol

[1987_Lakers]

Remember this?


"Everyone" used to call John Stockton dirty. Ok, chico. Steve Kerr = everybody in your mind.


Just one of those weird things. Players all called him dirty but it was for things less obvious than some bigs. He came in second to Rodman in a 29 player poll on dirtiest in the league in 97:

:yaohappy:

[Full Court]

Remember this?





:yaohappy:

^Yep. Bitch is definitely SHOOK. :lol

This clown didn't even know that Stockton was a great passer. Not to mention the fact that he's top three on pretty much EVERY list of greatest passers that exists.

:roll: You can't make this stuff up.

[1987_Lakers]

^Yep. Bitch is definitely SHOOK. :lol

This clown didn't even know that Stockton was a great passer. Not to mention the fact that he's top three on pretty much EVERY list of greatest passers that exists.

:roll: You can't make this stuff up.

You just did. :lol

[Full Court]

You just did. :lol

Here's a fun fact. You're going to like this one. ;)

Did you know that Russ Westbrook has more triple doubles than Oscar Robinson, and yet LeShrivel couldn't even get to the PLAY IN with him? :roll: Preseason favorites to win the west, and ended up in the LOTTERY.

:roll:

[1987_Lakers]

Here's a fun fact. You're going to like this one. ;)

Did you know that Russ Westbrook has more triple doubles than Oscar Robinson, and yet LeShrivel couldn't even get to the PLAY IN with him? :roll: Preseason favorites to win the west, and ended up in the LOTTERY.

:roll:

It's not nice to make fun of yourself like that.

[Full Court]

It's not nice to make fun of yourself like that.

Dudley.......I'm making fun of you.


:roll: This guy....

:lebronamazed: