Trivia Question - Let's See Who Is An Expert.

[Full Court]

This distinction is only owned by two players in NBA history: Michael Jordan and Pete Maravich. What is it?

[jstern]

I just finished watching this game earlier today.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m3f5IpRbWY

So my guess is scoring over 60 points without shooting a 3 pointer.

[Full Court]

I just finished watching this game earlier today.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m3f5IpRbWY

So my guess is scoring over 60 points without shooting a 3 pointer.

Good guess, but incorrect.

[1987_Lakers]

I have OP educating himself on Pistol Pete since I destroyed him in the other thread for his lack of knowledge.

SHOOK!

:oldlol:

[Full Court]

I have OP educating himself on Pistol Pete since I destroyed him in the other thread for his lack of knowledge.

SHOOK!

:oldlol:

Translation: "I thought I was a basketball historian, but I have no clue what the answer is. :cry:"

:roll: Bitch is SHOOK!

[Full Court]

Don't think anyone's going to get this one. Here's the answer:


Jordan and Maravich are the only players to have their jersey number retired by a team they never played for. Jordan by Miami, and Maravich by New Orleans.

[1987_Lakers]

https://media.tenor.com/WBSt2gcsNVMAAAAM/we-dont-care.gif

[Full Court]

https://media.tenor.com/WBSt2gcsNVMAAAAM/we-dont-care.gif

^Throwing a bitch fit because he didn't know the answer. :roll:

What a loser.

[Jasper]

didn't pistol pete play for the New Orleans Jazz ???

[Full Court]

didn't pistol pete play for the New Orleans Jazz ???

He did. That team moved to Salt Lake City though.

https://pelicandebrief.com/2014/08/17/new-orleans-pelicans-numbers-number-7/

[1987_Lakers]

He did. That team moved to Salt Lake City though.

https://pelicandebrief.com/2014/08/17/new-orleans-pelicans-numbers-number-7/
Thanks Captain Obvious.

[Full Court]

Thanks Captain Obvious.

Given your many idiotic takes, it wouldn't have surprised me at all if you thought that Maravich played for the Pelicans.

I mean, you didn't even know that he had a reputation as a great passer.


:biggums:

[1987_Lakers]

You think he is a better passer than Jokic.

:biggums:

[RRR3]

You think he is a better passer than Jokic.

:biggums:
5/4 assist turnover ratio is good!-full retard

[Full Court]

5/4 assist turnover ratio is good!-full retard

^Another idiot who thinks you can only commit a turnover by botching a pass. :lol

What a retard.

[RRR3]

^Another idiot who thinks you can only commit a turnover by botching a pass. :lol

What a retard.
Find me another supposedly elite passer with a similarly bad ratio.

[Full Court]

Find me another supposedly elite passer with a similarly bad ratio.

I love when you Bronie fluffers expose your low IQ. :lol You guys find one stat, and without any kind of context, think you can win an argument with it. That might work on people as dumb as yourself, but it sure ain't gonna work on Full Court.

First of all, Maravich wasn't a point guard, and second of all, turnovers weren't even counted for over half of Maravich's career. So not only is your argument disingenuous and misleading to the uninformed, it's just plain stupid.

Try again, RRR3tard.

:lebronamazed:

[RRR3]

I love when you Bronie fluffers expose your low IQ. :lol You guys find one stat, and without any kind of context, think you can win an argument with it. That might work on people as dumb as yourself, but it sure ain't gonna work on Full Court.

First of all, Maravich wasn't a point guard, and second of all, turnovers weren't even counted for over half of Maravich's career. So not only is your argument disingenuous and misleading to the uninformed, it's just plain stupid.

Try again, RRR3tard.

:lebronamazed:
Just find me another guy with a similar ratio who’s considered a GOAT tier passer. Not good. Goat tier.

[1987_Lakers]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?514909-Lebron-is-averaging-5-4-assists-and-4-1-turnovers-per-game

Shits on LeBron, but praises Pistol Pete for that ratio. Look at him emphasizing how important assist/turnover ratio is. Throws it out the window when discussing Pistol Pete.

:roll:

Btw, he made that thread very early in the season. LeBron ended up averaging 8.3 APG on 3.5 TOPG that season. No where near as bad as Maravich's assist/turnover ratio of 6.7 & 5.

[Full Court]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?514909-Lebron-is-averaging-5-4-assists-and-4-1-turnovers-per-game

Shits on LeBron, but praises Pistol Pete for that ratio. Look at him emphasizing how important assist/turnover ratio is. Throws it out the window when discussing Pistol Pete.

:roll:

Btw, he made that thread very early in the season. LeBron ended up averaging 8.3 APG on 3.5 TOPG that season. No where near as bad as Maravich's assist/turnover ratio of 6.7 & 5.

I find myself repeating things a lot when it comes to you and RRR3. If you're in the same company as him, that's an indicator that you should do some soul searching.

Lebron is a turnover machine. Maravich might have been too - but he was before most of our time to see him play, and turnovers weren't counted for half his career. But again, if you take that single ratio as the sole indicator of whether someone is a good passer or not, then you're just dumb.

Here's some crazy new information that you probably never heard before: you can commit a turnover that's not associated with a pass.

:lebronamazed:

Incredible concept, huh?

For example, here's a turnover that has nothing to do with a pass:

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2FdKGfF8p ZTs6UE%2Fgiphy.gif&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=645603936821277768a9cb424084da3846e2dff26465ca f86426836bd5151431

And here's another example:

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia1.tenor.com%2Fimages%2Fffd82 f89c99a49c125ef52097191647c%2Ftenor.gif%3Fitemid%3 D8844451&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=84f4048c040d056d3e35732b4f2876caa7604e16dc952c 419c1e1d7c03665285


:lol Just think how uneducated you would be without me.

[1987_Lakers]

but he was before most of our time to see him play, and turnovers weren't counted for half his career. But again, if you take that single ratio as the sole indicator of whether someone is a good passer or not, then you're just dumb.


Single ratio? He averaged 5 apg on 4 topg the very next season.

You made a thread shitting on LeBron for the same ratio just 10 games into a season. He ended up averaging over 8 APG & 3.5 topg that season. Epic fail.

You are calling a player who was a known ball hog and turnover machine one of the greatest passers ever and a better passer than Jokic.

We really need to make a 2025 version of the dumbest poster on ISH. You might win unanimously this time.

[1987_Lakers]

And if Maravich was an all-time great passer and better than Jokic why didn't he ever have a single season where he averaged 7 APG?

You can still be a great passer with averaging less than 7, if you are a big man or someone like Bird who played lots of off-ball, but Pistol Pete dominated the ball, he was the team's main ball handler at times in ways most point guards are, yet he didn't have a single season where he averaged 7 apg.

And you are calling this guy a better passer than Jokic? A guy who is not the team's ball handler, but still managed to average 10 APG on less turnovers? :roll:

[1987_Lakers]

16 second mark. Why the fck would you even attempt a pass like this??
:roll:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buPFjoS8VnE

[Full Court]

16 second mark. Why the fck would you even attempt a pass like this??
:roll:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buPFjoS8VnE

Beautiful pass. The other guy wasn't expecting it. But even if we say it was a dumb pass, surely one boneheaded play signifies an entire 12-year career, right?


:roll: Bronies.....

[1987_Lakers]

Beautiful pass. The other guy wasn't expecting it. But even if we say it was a dumb pass, surely one boneheaded play signifies an entire 12-year career, right?


:roll: Bronies.....

It wasn't even necessary. His teammate already had a defender in front of him. He wasn't fooling anyone but his teammate.

If someone made a pass like that in today's league, they would be roasted.

[j3lademaster]

Beautiful pass. The other guy wasn't expecting it. But even if we say it was a dumb pass, surely one boneheaded play signifies an entire 12-year career, right?


:roll: Bronies.....

The whole purpose of a good passer is to make it easier for their teammates. It's not that the guy wasn't expecting a pass, he just wasn't expecting one thrown at the back of his head by his opposite shoulder. That pass is pretty much the flashy pass attempt equivalent of the infamous Javale McGee dunk attempt.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-oZbJik2L4

[Full Court]

The whole purpose of a good passer is to make it easier for their teammates. It's not that the guy wasn't expecting a pass, he just wasn't expecting one thrown at the back of his head by his opposite shoulder. That pass is pretty much the flashy pass attempt equivalent of the infamous Javale McGee dunk attempt.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-oZbJik2L4

Ok, and again it's one pass in a 12-year career. By your logic I guess Lebron is a terrible passer, right?

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2F24.media.tumblr.com%2F7d98729c5086 3d1296653cb9b703cdef%2Ftumblr_mjxztadmQj1rdosklo1_ 500.gif&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=b8c501093097cb84a4064b13030c7301a8729886baee7d 17d42d5512125e33c3&ipo=images

[j3lademaster]

Ok, and again it's one pass in a 12-year career. By your logic I guess Lebron is a terrible passer, right?

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2F24.media.tumblr.com%2F7d98729c5086 3d1296653cb9b703cdef%2Ftumblr_mjxztadmQj1rdosklo1_ 500.gif&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=b8c501093097cb84a4064b13030c7301a8729886baee7d 17d42d5512125e33c3&ipo=images

well that's why we have to use data right? because even if you go through a 10 minute highlight reel of JUST a guy throwing passes, you're only seeing 60-70 passes thrown out of... well, idk how many passes Lebron has made but he has well over 11k assists alone. And neither of us are old enough to actually have seen Maravich play, let's be real, the only thing we can actually go by is data and watching a few highlights... or if you're extremely committed some throwback games.

[Full Court]

well that's why we have to use data right? because even if you go through a 10 minute highlight reel of JUST a guy throwing passes, you're only seeing 60-70 passes thrown out of... well, idk how many passes Lebron has made but he has well over 11k assists alone. And neither of us are old enough to actually have seen Maravich play, let's be real, the only thing we can actually go by is data and watching a few highlights... or if you're extremely committed some throwback games.

If your only data is assist/turnover ratio, then you're misguided.

We also have reputation to go on. Maravich is on almost every list of greatest passers in NBA history. He was considered a great passer when he was playing. This is not my opinion, this was general opinion at the time. If you disgree, fine. "Great" is subjective. But you can't argue against the fact that he is generally considered great. I wouldn't waste intellect trying to back up 1987_Lakers dumb takes if I were you.

[1987_Lakers]

If your only data is assist/turnover ratio, then you're misguided.

We also have reputation to go on. Maravich is on almost every list of greatest passers in NBA history. He was considered a great passer when he was playing. This is not my opinion, this was general opinion at the time. If you disgree, fine. "Great" is subjective. But you can't argue against the fact that he is generally considered great. I wouldn't waste intellect trying to back up 1987_Lakers dumb takes if I were you.

No he's not.

[1987_Lakers]

I've never seen a ball hog be considered one of the greatest passers ever. :oldlol:




Pete "Pistol" Maravich was frequently considered a "ball hog" by critics and sometimes even his teammates, due to his acrobatic dribbling style and high-volume scoring that often came at the expense of assisting his teammates and protecting the ball, a reputation that complicated his transition to the NBA and his overall effectiveness on the court.

Why He Was Called a Ball Hog
High Usage, Low Assists:
Maravich was a prolific scorer and crowd-pleasing ball-handler but often kept the ball for long stretches, which limited his teammates' opportunities to score and contributed to a low assist-to-turnover ratio.

Team Friction:
His playing style sometimes created frustration among his teammates, who felt he prioritized flashy moves over efficient play.

Turnovers:
While his ball-handling was exceptional, his tendency to dribble a lot often led to numerous turnovers.









The funny thing is, you left Jokic off your list because you said he made unnecessary passes that led to turnovers. But you ignore Pistol Pete was known for that and even turned the ball over more.

It makes no sense whatsoever.

[j3lademaster]

If your only data is assist/turnover ratio, then you're misguided.

We also have reputation to go on. Maravich is on almost every list of greatest passers in NBA history. He was considered a great passer when he was playing. This is not my opinion, this was general opinion at the time. If you disgree, fine. "Great" is subjective. But you can't argue against the fact that he is generally considered great. I wouldn't waste intellect trying to back up 1987_Lakers dumb takes if I were you.

The word “great” isn’t subjective in this case. You defined it when you brought his name up in a thread polling the top 5 of all time and, not only put him on par with Jokic, but suggested that he was even better(at passing). You gave the parameters and that’s the standard I’m holding Maravich to in this case. If you just wanted to say he’s a great passer in the same way Tmac and Wade were considered ‘great’, I’d agree with you and would have nothing really to add.

[j3lademaster]

And you can’t just handwave asst:to ratio because it hurts your case. No stat is the end all be all, but everyone that’s on a top 10 all time shortlist needs to have a respectable one, or at LEAST a decent explanation why they’re the exception.

[Full Court]

No he's not.

Yes he is.

https://stadiumtalk.com/s/greatest-nba-passers-ever-51a805178561468e

https://basketballbeacon.com/top-ten-passers-nba-history/

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/132100-the-top-10-nba-passers-of-all-time

https://upsidehoops.com/2020/11/01/10-greatest-passers-in-nba-history/

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/2/13/5393280/history-of-the-assist-chris-paul


:lol A small sample.

But please, do go on. Giving you an intellectual horse-whipping is fun.

:lebronamazed:

[1987_Lakers]

Yes he is.

https://stadiumtalk.com/s/greatest-nba-passers-ever-51a805178561468e

https://basketballbeacon.com/top-ten-passers-nba-history/

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/132100-the-top-10-nba-passers-of-all-time

https://upsidehoops.com/2020/11/01/10-greatest-passers-in-nba-history/

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/2/13/5393280/history-of-the-assist-chris-paul


:lol A small sample.

But please, do go on. Giving you an intellectual horse-whipping is fun.

:lebronamazed:

And most those links have Jokic & LeBron ahead of Pistol Pete.

Ouch.

[warriorfan]

Given your many idiotic takes, it wouldn't have surprised me at all if you thought that Maravich played for the Pelicans.

I mean, you didn't even know that he had a reputation as a great passer.


:biggums:

Dude is a spam bot. He has zero authentic takes. He literally just regurgitates other nonsense he reads online.

There are two types of people in this world. Creators and repeaters.

Laker is a repeater for sure. He can’t even articulate things in his own words and resorts to posting youtube videos to try to explain his posts. He also was convinced that the moon was a spaceship after watching a youtube video and subsequently came on here to spam the link and tell us about it.


Long story short he’s very low iq.

[Full Court]

And you can’t just handwave asst:to ratio because it hurts your case. No stat is the end all be all, but everyone that’s on a top 10 all time shortlist needs to have a respectable one, or at LEAST a decent explanation why they’re the exception.

And you can't use AST/TO as your sole stat when you can't even determine it FOR OVER HALF OF HIS CAREER. This really should not be hard to grasp.

[Overdrive]

Yes he is.

https://stadiumtalk.com/s/greatest-nba-passers-ever-51a805178561468e

https://basketballbeacon.com/top-ten-passers-nba-history/

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/132100-the-top-10-nba-passers-of-all-time

https://upsidehoops.com/2020/11/01/10-greatest-passers-in-nba-history/

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/2/13/5393280/history-of-the-assist-chris-paul


:lol A small sample.

But please, do go on. Giving you an intellectual horse-whipping is fun.

:lebronamazed:

The explanations why, if there are some, are hilarious. Like: Mostly he was scoring, had less asissts and passes than all the others, but his passes looked beautiful, while often being intercepted.

Pretty much the "Kobe is great, because his misses looked beautiful" argument all over.

Pistol Pete was a creative passer and fun to look at. First seen him on a tape in the 90s and was amazed, but he is not in the same ball park is the absolute greatest. His passing was basically MJ level with more flash. His passing fed off his scoring more than the other way round.
He was no true ball distributor like the cream of the crop passers were and are.