New retarded NBA rule. Heaves at the buzzer no longer count against your percentages.

[bison]

Per Shams


The NBA will implement a new change for the 2025-26 season: unsuccessful end-of-period heaves will now be recorded as a missed field-goal attempt for the team, not the player, sources tell ESPN. Those long heaves will no longer impact an individual player's percentages.

I'm guessing this a "Lebron Rule" as Lebron famously protected his FG% by refusing to attempt full court heaves at the end of quarters. :facepalm:

[Tavr]

:oldlol:

[HylianNightmare]

Perfect word to describe it

[beasted]

Coddling.

[Hey Yo]

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I'm guessing this a "Lebron Rule" as Lebron famously protected his FG% by refusing to attempt full court heaves at the end of quarters. :facepalm:

Rent free

[Kblaze8855]

Just gonna make people in the future assume everyone from before a certain point were worse than they were. If you think it can’t make a difference:


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[FultzNationRISE]

Just gonna make people in the future assume everyone from before a certain point were worse than they were. If you think it can’t make a difference:


https://www.hostpic.org/images/2509110238110366.jpeg


They *could* apply the criterion retroactively and update historical numbers if they want to. Not sure if theyll bother tho.

I dont really see any reason not to, but who knows.

[Kblaze8855]

They could only update them in the era of shot tracking, which isn’t very long.

it isn’t really a problem. Just messes with historical analysis and the NBA certainly doesn’t care about that. But some guy will be a rookie next year and end up a 42% shooter career from three when he actually missed a lot more than that but the league artificially inflates it.

I’m not necessarily even opposed to it. And I remember a story Shane Battier told about his time on the rockets when they told him for their internal numbers they don’t count any shot taken at the buzzer. They were trying to encourage their players to shoot them.

So I’m not saying it matters matters. I’m just saying it’s gonna make the players from before it look worse to fans who don’t realize it happened. And I promise you fans aren’t going to realize it happened. I bet 90% of fans don’t know you used to get three free throws to make two and probably 99% don’t remember That the NBA change that rule around the same time, they added the three-point line, but didn’t give you three free throws for getting fouled on a three.

For 15 years guys would get fouled taking a three and not get the extra free-throw. It only changed because Hakeem fouled John Starks on a key late three in the finals and he made both free throws, but they needed three.

So the league changed it that off-season despite opposition from a lot of old school types. I distinctly remember wilt complaining about it in a book he wrote in 1991 already mad about the rumblings that they might change it.

There’s plenty of shit like that that just straight up alter games and stats that fans have no idea even happened. And I’m not blaming the fans. It’s mostly trivia. But I have these discussions with people sometimes and a lot of them really don’t understand how much the league is shaped by the rules.

And it feels like almost all the changes have the effect of making everyone look better than they would have previously.

I’m just waiting for somebody to run the numbers on what a guy like curry or Kobe would have shot minus shots from past half court. It isn’t gonna be a dramatic difference, but it will be enough of a difference that it would change some stats in an argument.

Some current 15-year-old is gonna enter the league as the next steph and have his shooting numbers be higher for no reason but this rule but the fans by then won’t even remember it used to be this way.

[tpols]

Just gonna make people in the future assume everyone from before a certain point were worse than they were. If you think it can’t make a difference:


https://www.hostpic.org/images/2509110238110366.jpeg

Thats GOAT.

He doesn't give a ****.

And its beautiful.

[Full Court]

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I'm guessing this a "Lebron Rule" as Lebron famously protected his FG% by refusing to attempt full court heaves at the end of quarters. :facepalm:

He also famously shriveled up in crunch time of close games.

[sdot_thadon]

Just gonna make people in the future assume everyone from before a certain point were worse than they were. If you think it can’t make a difference:


https://www.hostpic.org/images/2509110238110366.jpeg

This should prompt a reflection moment about how so many use and view these statistics. We literally champion things that amount to like a half bucket to a couple of buckets made per game as huge gulfs between players. Decimal points on percentages sometimes decide for us who's more efficient or skilled at something, When all in all some of these guys are separated by the smallest of margins. Numbers dont lie, but if they are used carelessly they won't really tell you what they could and should.

[ShawkFactory]

I really am okay with this rule. Don't think it's retarded at all.

What's retarded is that this rule is needed but alas..it is. So what are you gonna do :confusedshrug:

As KBlaze mentioned, it will be an important distinction that needs to be made when comparing FG and 3pt percentage across eras that some might choose to ignore, which sucks. But there are always nuances and differences in every game that do this anyway so I don't see it as a huge deal.

[pandiani17]

They could only update them in the era of shot tracking, which isn’t very long.

it isn’t really a problem. Just messes with historical analysis and the NBA certainly doesn’t care about that. But some guy will be a rookie next year and end up a 42% shooter career from three when he actually missed a lot more than that but the league artificially inflates it.

I’m not necessarily even opposed to it. And I remember a story Shane Battier told about his time on the rockets when they told him for their internal numbers they don’t count any shot taken at the buzzer. They were trying to encourage their players to shoot them.

So I’m not saying it matters matters. I’m just saying it’s gonna make the players from before it look worse to fans who don’t realize it happened. And I promise you fans aren’t going to realize it happened. I bet 90% of fans don’t know you used to get three free throws to make two and probably 99% don’t remember That the NBA change that rule around the same time, they added the three-point line, but didn’t give you three free throws for getting fouled on a three.

For 15 years guys would get fouled taking a three and not get the extra free-throw. It only changed because Hakeem fouled John Starks on a key late three in the finals and he made both free throws, but they needed three.

So the league changed it that off-season despite opposition from a lot of old school types. I distinctly remember wilt complaining about it in a book he wrote in 1991 already mad about the rumblings that they might change it.

There’s plenty of shit like that that just straight up alter games and stats that fans have no idea even happened. And I’m not blaming the fans. It’s mostly trivia. But I have these discussions with people sometimes and a lot of them really don’t understand how much the league is shaped by the rules.

And it feels like almost all the changes have the effect of making everyone look better than they would have previously.

I’m just waiting for somebody to run the numbers on what a guy like curry or Kobe would have shot minus shots from past half court. It isn’t gonna be a dramatic difference, but it will be enough of a difference that it would change some stats in an argument.

Some current 15-year-old is gonna enter the league as the next steph and have his shooting numbers be higher for no reason but this rule but the fans by then won’t even remember it used to be this way.

Very interesting information, I didn't know the three free throws in a 3-point shot attempt foul origin.

[Wally450]

OP made this thread just to mention LeBron lol.

[j3lademaster]

This rule is needed. If I'm a 3&D guy, 2-5% on my 3's is the difference between whether I can signed or not- it's millions of dollars.

[Kblaze8855]

Very interesting information, I didn't know the three free throws in a 3-point shot attempt foul origin.

yeah, there’s always a tipping point. They waited 15 ****ing years of people fouling jump shooters, closing out hard up three trying to block it because so long as you kept them from making the shot they couldn’t beat you. There were four point plays if you foul somebody who gets it off and they make it, but if you blocked it and then fouled the shit out of of him it’s still only two free throws.

this is the play that got the rule changed… Rockets up three with seconds left, and Starks was looking to tie it.



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fouled him clear as day and didn’t argue. He didn’t care if he hit him. He was trying to block it. Starks goes to the line makes both free throws but they needed 3.

After that, all they can do is play the foul game. Knicks lose game three and lose the series in seven.

Hakeem made the right call given the rules. And thing is I didn’t show you that shot came off an offensive rebound after Hakeem heavily contested the first three of the possession and forced a miss. And of course, in game six he switched and chased Starks and blocked what would have been the championship winning three.

At the time it was advantageous to try to block it so Hakeem went after all of them. He forced a big miss before that one. He went all out to block this one and committed a foul that didn’t hurt them and he actually blocked the attempted title winner later.

but people saw it as the rules screw the Knicks out of winning the championship or at least having a better chance, and Pat Riley and others pushed for the change and all the old people against it finally got drowned out.

They had been talking about it for years and years, but the old guys didn’t want people out there foul hunting.

[Kblaze8855]

Anyway they had that little concession to the offense and within 10 years Jamal Crawford had mastered falling down after shooting and he got like five times as many four point plays as anyone else then James Harden came along…. And realized he could either jump into you or step back and make sure he falls whenever anyone is within 3 feet of him


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Curry and others followed in his bullshit footsteps, and now You pretty much can’t leave your feet on a jump shooter, even if you play it perfectly because they’re going to fall down to try to dupe the refs.


you give the offense an inch they will take a mile. Three free throws lead to 33 a game where somebody miraculously ends up on the ground. Gather step leads to fourth step Euro steps. You let them have the side of the ball and not just the top so they develop shot fake hesis where they touch it with both hands and dare you to call the double dribble and carry back-and-forth on every change of direction.

Giving basketball players an inch has always resulted in them taking a mile

[SouBeachTalents]

This rule isn't retarded at all, I'd much rather have this in place than see guys not even attempt a shot because it'll fvck with their percentages. As someone alluded to earlier, if you're a role player strictly there for 3's taking 5-7 shots a game, you're going to be inclined to protect your percentages as opposed to jacking up a shot that has basically no chance of going in anyway.

[tpols]

Its mostly stars that duck those shots at the buzzer. Purposely shoot a half second later. Only guys like Jokic and Curry have balls.

[Norcaliblunt]

It’s hilarious that scouts and fans can’t determine who is a good shooter beyond a FG percentage. 4 heaves a game is gonna throw the numbers way off. Lmao!!!!

I mean, this shit is literally just numbers. Means nothing.

[Norcaliblunt]

And what’s crazy is players are making half court shots more than ever.

Does the shot count if the dude makes it?????

Lmao.

Shits so superficial and dumb.

[iamgine]

This is long overdue. Desperate heaves should have never counted against (or for) your percentage.

[Nowoco]

It boggles my mind than anyone has a problem with this. It's a great rule.

[Axe]

Young, rising stars are gonna benefit from this.


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I'm guessing this a "Lebron Rule" as Lebron famously protected his FG% by refusing to attempt full court heaves at the end of quarters. :facepalm:
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[jlip]

Don't know if it's been mentioned yet as I have not read through the thread, but this rule is not much worse than the league shortening the 3 point line in the mid 90s.

[mr4speed]

Anyway they had that little concession to the offense and within 10 years Jamal Crawford had mastered falling down after shooting and he got like five times as many four point plays as anyone else then James Harden came along…. And realized he could either jump into you or step back and make sure he falls whenever anyone is within 3 feet of him


https://i.ibb.co/fV9LvS99/IMG-2804.webp



Curry and others followed in his bullshit footsteps, and now You pretty much can’t leave your feet on a jump shooter, even if you play it perfectly because they’re going to fall down to try to dupe the refs.


you give the offense an inch they will take a mile. Three free throws lead to 33 a game where somebody miraculously ends up on the ground. Gather step leads to fourth step Euro steps. You let them have the side of the ball and not just the top so they develop shot fake hesis where they touch it with both hands and dare you to call the double dribble and carry back-and-forth on every change of direction.

Giving basketball players an inch has always resulted in them taking a mile

I totally agree and have to ask what is next?? If a player takes a shot with less than 4 seconds left do we not count this because the player was rushed or under duress? Look at how easily assists are given out now = it is blasphemy compared to earlier players. How about if we do not count rebounds if the ball touches the floor? We need to stop coddling these players as it has weakend their competitive fire.

[warriorfan]

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I'm guessing this a "Lebron Rule" as Lebron famously protected his FG% by refusing to attempt full court heaves at the end of quarters. :facepalm:

lmfaoooo

this shit is so cringe for so many reasons

stat nerds taking over and pro athletes bowing down to them as they snuff out their personal competitive desire

then nba trying to artificially bring that spark back to life

it’s dead bro. the fire is out.

[k0kakw0rld]

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I'm guessing this a "Lebron Rule" as Lebron famously protected his FG% by refusing to attempt full court heaves at the end of quarters. :facepalm:

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