Been arguing with these neo-Nazis online...

[Patrick Chewing]

What an interesting time to be alive. We have so many people going in so many different directions. I for one never thought Right-Wingers would stray away from the MAGA movement and have so much in common with the Radical Left they supposably hate.

Take these neo-Nazis like Dan Bilzerian and Jake Shields for example. They don't hide their Jew hatred one bit on social media. They even spew their hatred towards Blacks online as well. However, they voted for Trump. They have the same disdain for open borders and for Liberals, but when it comes to Jews, they just froth at the mouth with rage. And I will never get to that point.

Then you have the Left in which a very vocal majority hates the Jews or "Zionists" as well. But then you also have some on the Left that support Israel and support the Jewish people and their right to exist. It may seem like there's not a lot of them, but I guarantee you there are, they just don't vocalize it and make it known.


And this is what's happening here on ISH. diamenz and AW were my MAGA bros, but they strayed off into this anti-Semitic/Jewish Conspiracy world where you find Hard Right radical neo-Nazis in, and Hard Left Radicals in as well. Whether these on the Left are neo-Nazis too, I can't say at this moment. But they both have their similarities. And now, we went from MAGA bros to enemies sort of. diamenz at least keeps it semi-respectful where as Arbitrary just goes into full Adolf Hilter mode.

And lastly, this brings me to a guy like RRR3. An actual Jew who is completely against the Jewish state and their right to exist, completely against the Right, but he also says he's completely against the Left even though a lot of his views are shared by people on the Left.


It's like we have so many viewpoints going in so many different directions. And what cracks me up is when I call out these Nazis like Bilzerian and Shields on Twitter, their little Nazi minions run to their defense and start calling me a Jew this and a Jew that. And I'm like, I'm not Jewish guys. And if I'm not Jewish, then I'm a shill for Jewish ideology and for Israel.

Shit is mind boggling at how different we all are in our beliefs. And it's scary to see how many hateful people are out there.

[highwhey]

diamenz and AW were my MAGA bros

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[Patrick Chewing]

Yup highweight, you were my MAGA bro too, but the Jew hatred started to take over. And it's weird, cause I'm sure you would hate these neo-Nazis like Bilzerian and Shields, but yet here you are beefing with someone like me. We have more in common than you think. I just do not believe that Israel controls the United States and I do not see Jews as the enemy. 15 million Jews in the world and they are universally hated. It sounds like the conspiracy is what powers are out there brainwashing people to think that a population of 15 million is the enemy or has that much power to control a population of 340 million.

[highwhey]

Yup highweight, you were my MAGA bro too, but the Jew hatred started to take over. And it's weird, cause I'm sure you would hate these neo-Nazis like Bilzerian and Shields, but yet here you are beefing with someone like me. We have more in common than you think. I just do not believe that Israel controls the United States and I do not see Jews as the enemy. 15 million Jews in the world and they are universally hated. It sounds like the conspiracy is what powers are out there brainwashing people to think that a population of 15 million is the enemy or has that much power to control a population of 340 million.

i do not hate jews. i respect any and all ethnicities. i do however have hatred towards MILITANT organizations like the IDF and parts of the Israeli government that has demonstrated parasitic behavior leeching money from American taxpayers. the fact that you cannot understand this tells me your argument is disingenuous in nature.

[Patrick Chewing]

i do not hate jews. i respect any and all ethnicities. i do however have hatred towards MILITANT organizations like the IDF and parts of the Israeli government that has demonstrated parasitic behavior leeching money from American taxpayers. the fact that you cannot understand this tells me your argument is disingenuous in nature.

You've said some very anti-Semitic stuff in the past and have intimated that Israel should get bombed, so I don't quite believe anything you say at this point. But if deep down inside in your heart you actually don't hate Jews, then I guess that's a step in the right direction. I think you're dead wrong about Israel and the IDF though. Israel is surrounded by countries that want to destroy it. An actual genocide. If we turn our back on Israel, then Israel and the Holy Land gets lost to Islam. Islam will destroy and erase all historical sites that date back to Christ. That's if you care about that if you're a Christian. If you're not a Christian, then I guess you don't care about Islam's erasure of early Christendom.

[highwhey]

You've said some very anti-Semitic stuff in the past and have intimated that Israel should get bombed, so I don't quite believe anything you say at this point. But if deep down inside in your heart you actually don't hate Jews, then I guess that's a step in the right direction. I think you're dead wrong about Israel and the IDF though. Israel is surrounded by countries that want to destroy it. An actual genocide. If we turn our back on Israel, then Israel and the Holy Land gets lost to Islam. Islam will destroy and erase all historical sites that date back to Christ. That's if you care about that if you're a Christian. If you're not a Christian, then I guess you don't care about Islam's erasure of early Christendom.

the issue with that is the israeli government provokes a lot of these countries. i do agree they are surrounded by some evil groups of people, but the people that live there shouldn't be victimized bc of their geography (this applies to both sides so including jews and muslims). and if israel has proved anything since october 7th, it's that they are willing to do just that. i believe the statistics show they have killed more civilians than actual hamas in that particular region. but if you don't believe me, just notice their pattern of violence is getting worse. they keep escalating violence against anyone they see as opposition.

and that land no longer holds any special meaning, not according to the bible and the billion times the ancient israelites broke the terms of the covenant they had with God.

[diamenz]

this is such a ridiculous thread, does nothing but stir up more controversy around this issue and a is perfect example of why constructive conversation can't be had. pro-israel folks need to stop conflating criticism of the israeli government with "jewish hatred" or anti-semitism. chewing you're on record saying that racism does not exist in the year 2025, yet here you are weaponizing it and playing the victim on behalf of a foreign country. make up your mind already or just admit it only exists when you want it to exist.

war brings out the worst in people and everything gets painted in black and white. if you really think that there are a segment of people here that truly hate jews then you have to accept the fact that those same people are free to assume that you hate muslims.

the most legitimate debate that needs to be had from an american perspective is why we're subsidizing israel. i keep hearing that israel is our "GrEaTeSt AlLy" but i never hear a convincing argument behind it other than the praising of the awesome intelligence that brought us the certainty of iraqi wmd's leading to one of our greatest foreign policy blunders. we're $37 trillion in debt. israel is one trillion $ in debt. they have a mighty army. they have iron dome. they have nukes. their borders are tighter than the girls on epstein island. yet and still it is our job to subsidize their war campaign and beyond? yeah, i don't think so. not with my tax dollars but it's not like i have any say because people in washington are getting paid. this supposed "alliance" is nothing but a liability to us who's costs far outweigh any benefits. american support for israel is driven by a powerful lobby, not strategic or moral interests.

and by the way - i've listened to dan on this topic extensively and he's made it crystal clear that his arguments are not directed towards jewish people. stop watching clips that are chopped and chosen to paint him in that light and listen to entire podcasts. you've been misled.

[TheImmortal]

Don't fall for the bait folks. I'm glad more people are starting to wake up. You cannot reason with people like PC.

[Baller234]

this is such a ridiculous thread, does nothing but stir up more controversy around this issue and a is perfect example of why constructive conversation can't be had. pro-israel folks need to stop conflating criticism of the israeli government with "jewish hatred" or anti-semitism. chewing you're on record saying that racism does not exist in the year 2025, yet here you are weaponizing it and playing the victim on behalf of a foreign country. make up your mind already or just admit it only exists when you want it to exist.

war brings out the worst in people and everything gets painted in black and white. if you really think that there are a segment of people here that truly hate jews then you have to accept the fact that those same people are free to assume that you hate muslims.

the most legitimate debate that needs to be had from an american perspective is why we're subsidizing israel. i keep hearing that israel is our "GrEaTeSt AlLy" but i never hear a convincing argument behind it other than the praising of the awesome intelligence that brought us the certainty of iraqi wmd's leading to one of our greatest foreign policy blunders. we're $37 trillion in debt. israel is one trillion $ in debt. they have a mighty army. they have iron dome. they have nukes. their borders are tighter than the girls on epstein island. yet and still it is our job to subsidize their war campaign and beyond? yeah, i don't think so. not with my tax dollars but it's not like i have any say because people in washington are getting paid. this supposed "alliance" is nothing but a liability to us who's costs far outweigh any benefits. american support for israel is driven by a powerful lobby, not strategic or moral interests.

and by the way - i've listened to dan on this topic extensively and he's made it crystal clear that his arguments are not directed towards jewish people. stop watching clips that are chopped and chosen to paint him in that light and listen to entire podcasts. you've been misled.

But your story is never consistent. You guys can never agree on who's actually calling the shots. Some days it's America who's the top and Israel who's the bottom, then something happens and now you're all swearing that Israel is the top. It constantly changes.

If Israel is the top, then yes that would be a huge problem. It means America is being controlled by a foreign entity, which is obviously a terrible thing. But if America is the top, that means we're just as complicit in whatever "evil" act you're accusing Israel of. It means we're funding it and enabling it. It means we're just as evil and just as guilty.

So if that's your argument, then stand on that. Don't just lash out as Israel. Keep that same energy for America as well. Say AMERICA is evil. AMERICA is committing genocide. AMERICANS are evil colonizers who stole land and made it theirs.

Be consistent.

[diamenz]

But your story is never consistent. You guys can never agree on who's actually calling the shots. Some days it's America who's the top and Israel who's the bottom, then something happens and now you're all swearing that Israel is the top. It constantly changes.

If Israel is the top, then yes that would be a huge problem. It means America is being controlled by a foreign entity, which is obviously a terrible thing. But if America is the top, that means we're just as complicit in whatever "evil" act you're accusing Israel of. It means we're funding it and enabling it. It means we're just as evil and just as guilty.

So if that's your argument, then stand on that. Don't just lash out as Israel. Keep that same energy for America as well. Say AMERICA is evil. AMERICA is committing genocide. AMERICANS are evil colonizers who stole land and made it theirs.

Be consistent.

again with the blanket finger pointing and conflating. who exactly is "you guys"? are you implying that my stance on this issue is in line with rrr3's? am i using the word "genocide" or making that argument here? my post had nothing to do with this hypocrisy you speak of. you're strawman-ing me.

my post makes an argument for america's interests and questions our benefit from this supposed "alliance", which i think you and i are probably aligned on to some extent. i'd certainly hope so anyway.

[Patrick Chewing]

again with the blanket finger pointing and conflating. who exactly is "you guys"? are you implying that my stance on this issue is in line with rrr3's? am i using the word "genocide" or making that argument here? my post had nothing to do with this hypocrisy you speak of. you're strawman-ing me.

my post makes an argument for america's interests and questions our benefit from this supposed "alliance", which i think you and i are probably aligned on to some extent. i'd certainly hope so anyway.

You really don't see the benefit of this alliance??

[Lakers Legend#32]

But Poopsie is a fellow neo-Nazi.

[Baller234]

again with the blanket finger pointing and conflating. who exactly is "you guys"? are you implying that my stance on this issue is in line with rrr3's? am i using the word "genocide" or making that argument here? my post had nothing to do with this hypocrisy you speak of. you're strawman-ing me.

my post makes an argument for america's interests and questions our benefit from this supposed "alliance", which i think you and i are probably aligned on to some extent. i'd certainly hope so anyway.

You've inferred in the past that it's more than just an "alliance" though. You've thrown around Israel top theories yourself. Most of you here have.

But if it's simply just an "alliance" then what exactly is the issue? Are you saying you don't want them as an ally? Let's see:

- They're a western nation with values similar to ours
- They're smart
- They're capable
- They're technologically advanced
- They have their own army
- They have their own iron dome
- They have nukes.

Are you saying you would rather have them as an enemy?? Lol what would be the value in that??

Wouldn't you rather have them as a partner??

[j3lademaster]

You've inferred in the past that it's more than just an "alliance" though. You've thrown around Israel top theories yourself. Most of you here have.

But if it's simply just an "alliance" then what exactly is the issue? Are you saying you don't want them as an ally? Let's see:

- They're a western nation with values similar to ours
- They're smart
- They're capable
- They're technologically advanced
- They have their own army
- They have their own iron dome
- They have nukes.

Are you saying you would rather have them as an enemy?? Lol what would be the value in that??

Wouldn't you rather have them as a partner??

We shouldn't be sending them almost $200bil, and if we are we need to be seeing $200bil worth of roi. If not giving them money makes them an enemy, so be it, but that seems more like a them problem at that point.

[highwhey]

You've inferred in the past that it's more than just an "alliance" though. You've thrown around Israel top theories yourself. Most of you here have.

But if it's simply just an "alliance" then what exactly is the issue? Are you saying you don't want them as an ally? Let's see:

- They're a western nation with values similar to ours
- They're smart
- They're capable
- They're technologically advanced
- They have their own army
- They have their own iron dome
- They have nukes.

Are you saying you would rather have them as an enemy?? Lol what would be the value in that??

Wouldn't you rather have them as a partner??

their entire existence is propped up by the us military. it's like the WNBA of nations, except they don't have a caitlin clark.

[Baller234]

We shouldn't be sending them almost $200bil, and if we are we need to be seeing $200bil worth of roi. If not giving them money makes them an enemy, so be it, but that seems more like a them problem at that point.

You're aware that they played a vital role in disarming Iran right? And removing most of their top personnel?

Whether you think Israel is worth funding or not, the fact is we are. You can either accept that as a good thing or you can start protesting with the pink haired leftists that hate America.

[highwhey]

You're aware that they played a vital role in disarming Iran right? And removing most of their top personnel?

Whether you think Israel is worth funding or not, the fact is we are. You can either accept that as a good thing or you can start protesting with the pink haired leftists that hate America.

"vital role" = provoked iran then begged like the little b1tches they are bc they can't defend themselves without US military assistance

[Baller234]

"vital role" = provoked iran then begged like the little b1tches they are bc they can't defend themselves without US military assistance

Aww poor highwhey. He feels so bad for Iran he's gonna cry.

[highwhey]

Aww poor highwhey. He feels so bad for Iran he's gonna cry.

still seething that the world is opening their eyes on the heinous behavior your beloved militant country has carried out recently, huh?

how's the whole subway thing going, still afraid to step foot on the tube?

[Patrick Chewing]

Aww poor highwhey. He feels so bad for Iran he's gonna cry.

He's an Iranian, Palestinian, and Muslim Brotherhood bootlicker. Probably paid off by Qatar too like Tucker and Candace.

[highwhey]

He's an Iranian, Palestinian, and Muslim Brotherhood bootlicker. Probably paid off by Qatar too like Tucker and Candace.

and you're 400 POUNDS

[Baller234]

still seething that the world is opening their eyes on the heinous behavior your beloved militant country has carried out recently, huh?

how's the whole subway thing going, still afraid to step foot on the tube?

In your beloved country it's legal and commonplace to marry your cousin.

You especially would have a tough time living in Iran, being gay and all.

[diamenz]

You really don't see the benefit of this alliance??

i'm open to hearing arguments in favor of it but like i said, i see israel as a strategic liability to us at this point. not an asset.

[diamenz]

You've inferred in the past that it's more than just an "alliance" though. You've thrown around Israel top theories yourself. Most of you here have.

But if it's simply just an "alliance" then what exactly is the issue? Are you saying you don't want them as an ally? Let's see:

- They're a western nation with values similar to ours
- They're smart
- They're capable
- They're technologically advanced
- They have their own army
- They have their own iron dome
- They have nukes.

Are you saying you would rather have them as an enemy?? Lol what would be the value in that??

Wouldn't you rather have them as a partner??

if you'd like to discuss the points that i made in this thread in terms of subsidizing israel financially and militarily and how that unbridled support outweighs any benefit to us, i'm open for debate.

[highwhey]

In your beloved country it's legal and commonplace to marry your cousin.

You especially would have a tough time living in Iran, being gay and all.

i can see why you are afraid to step foot outside in the real world, you're a lame dork, you know you're susceptible to being bullied.

get some help.

[MrFonzworth]

OP has huge tits

[Chick Stern]

You've said some very anti-Semitic stuff in the past and have intimated that Israel should get bombed, so I don't quite believe anything you say at this point. But if deep down inside in your heart you actually don't hate Jews, then I guess that's a step in the right direction. I think you're dead wrong about Israel and the IDF though. Israel is surrounded by countries that want to destroy it. An actual genocide. If we turn our back on Israel, then Israel and the Holy Land gets lost to Islam. Islam will destroy and erase all historical sites that date back to Christ. That's if you care about that if you're a Christian. If you're not a Christian, then I guess you don't care about Islam's erasure of early Christendom.
Fatrick, do you realize that almost all of those “sites” in the “holy land” are complete mythology and have no basis in fact?

[Baller234]

if you'd like to discuss the points that i made in this thread in terms of subsidizing israel financially and militarily and how that unbridled support outweighs any benefit to us, i'm open for debate.

Then use common sense. If America is funding Israel then it can only be one of two reasons:

- Israel is actually the secret parent company using America as a decoy
- America is the parent company and Israel is the daughter company

If it's the latter and Israel is a daughter company, then yes America *would* have an obligation to them financially.

This is why the hypocrisy on the right is so glaring and obvious. They swear that Israel is some evil entity, meanwhile at the same time they acknowledge that their own country is behind it all. It's retarded.

If Israel is evil then that would make America evil as well. Every administration going back to when we were children supported Israel. You can't just separate the two countries because it's inconvenient. Clearly they are in this together for better or worse.

[Baller234]

i can see why you are afraid to step foot outside in the real world, you're a lame dork, you know you're susceptible to being bullied.

get some help.

If I hopped on the train and got sliced in the throat by some mentally ill racist black guy, would you post a laughing emoji?

[diamenz]

Then use common sense. If America is funding Israel then it can only be one of two reasons:

- Israel is actually the secret parent company using America as a decoy
- America is the parent company and Israel is the daughter company

If it's the latter and Israel is a daughter company, then yes America *would* have an obligation to them financially.

This is why the hypocrisy on the right is so glaring and obvious. They swear that Israel is some evil entity, meanwhile at the same time they acknowledge that their own country is behind it all. It's retarded.

If Israel is evil then that would make America evil as well. Every administration going back to when we were children supported Israel. You can't just separate the two countries because it's inconvenient. Clearly they are in this together for better or worse.

you're conflating again or you're just not aware of the difference between the two sides. i'm not patronizing you when i say that either.

...it's the woke left that paints israel as being evil. the "woke right's" focus is strictly america first and questions and holds to account our unbridled support of their endeavors as well as any ulterior motives they may have and leverage that they assume through the lobby that may work against our interests. yes, of course our country and their's share similar interests but in the case that we don't align, the lobby works to get their way regardless and many a time succeeds. that's the issue.

i think deep down you're more woke right than you think. the woke right isn't a monolith either, there's obviously stark differences between someone like tucker & candace, bannon & dave smith, mtg & thomas massie and any of their fandom that form their own conclusions from the conversations and debates that they have.

but back to the original post you contacted me about:




we're $37 trillion in debt. israel is one trillion $ in debt. they have a mighty army. they have iron dome. they have nukes. their borders are tighter than the girls on epstein island. yet and still it is our job to subsidize their war campaign and beyond? yeah, i don't think so. not with my tax dollars but it's not like i have any say because people in washington are getting paid. this supposed "alliance" is nothing but a liability to us who's costs far outweigh any benefits. american support for israel is driven by a powerful lobby, not strategic or moral interests.

[Off the Court]

OP has huge tits

:oldlol:

[Patrick Chewing]

Fatrick, do you realize that almost all of those “sites” in the “holy land” are complete mythology and have no basis in fact?

That is the dumbest thing you could have said. :facepalm

[Chick Stern]

That is the dumbest thing you could have said. :facepalm

How so?