"i've gotta be careful the way i say this..."

[diamenz]

not saying or implying that israel/mossad or the cia had anything to do with kirk's assassination because there's just no evidence for it and it's nothing but a conspiracy theory at this point but... why charlie? why do you have to be careful???


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wUq3t9f6ug

"i've gotta be careful the way i say this..."
"i've gotta be careful the way i say this..."
"i've gotta be careful the way i say this..."

[Real Men Wear Green]

It's always possible that something was a conspiracy but as you noted there's no evidence. Closest thing I've seen to proof is just the fact that the assassin only needed one shot. I believe the guys that tried to ofc Trump fired more than once, normally these shooters are trying to make sure. Don't take this as true praise, murder is wrong, but the Kirk assassin was good at it. Not only did he only need one shot but if he had kept his mouth shut no one would have known that he did it. This guy doesn't seem to be an amateur.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Charlie was pro-Israel, this video is 2 years old, and prefacing a statement about a sensitive subject with "I need to be careful how" is common speech.

This isn't interesting at all and points zero percent to a conspiracy involving Israel.

[diamenz]

Charlie was pro-Israel, this video is 2 years old, and prefacing a statement about a sensitive subject with "I need to be careful how" is common speech.

This isn't interesting at all and points zero percent to a conspiracy involving Israel.

charlie was pro-israel but he wasn't an absolute homer and was open to raising questions about their government's ulterior motives, as showcased in the video. he was also becoming more and more critical and forward in that regard closer to the time of his assassination.

i acknowledge your point about charlie prefacing his statement due to this being a sensitive subject - that's entirely possible. but are you dismissing any other possibilities and that "you have spoken" and the debate is over, as you usually tend to do?




This isn't interesting at all and points zero percent to a conspiracy involving Israel.

again, i'm not implying conspiracy theory here - read my preface (the irony). there could be multiple possibilities associated with why he felt obligated to say this, none having to do with conspiracy. one possibility being what you mentioned.

why is everything so open and shut with the pro-israel folks? apparently we can't talk about things like this and raise questions. it seems that israel is off limits for the most part but we can always criticize america.

[AlternativeAcc.]

charlie was pro-israel but he wasn't an absolute homer and was open to raising questions about their government's ulterior motives, as showcased in the video. he was also becoming more and more critical and forward in that regard closer to the time of his assassination.

i acknowledge your point about charlie prefacing his statement due to this being a sensitive subject - that's entirely possible. but are you dismissing any other possibilities and that "you have spoken" and the debate is over, as you usually tend to do?



again, i'm not implying conspiracy theory here - read my preface (the irony). there could be multiple possibilities associated with why he felt obligated to say this, none having to do with conspiracy. one possibility being what you mentioned.

why is everything so open and shut with the pro-israel folks? apparently we can't talk about things like this and raise questions. it seems that israel is off limits for the most part but we can always criticize america.

Yea he had nuanced Israel opinions. And I don't believe Israel is some boogeyman with a secret intelligence agency that is willing to pick off Americans at the drop of a hat because they are nuanced about their opinions on the war. Do you understand how ****ing stupid the people who think this is what's going on are?

"I'm not Implying conspiracy" ... thats.. exactly what you're Implying though. It's obvious he was just using a common phrase like millions of people do everyday when talking about sensitive stuff. There is absolutely no reason to make this thread and ask why unless you are literally Implying a conspiracy, which you are.

[highwhey]

not saying or implying that israel/mossad or the cia had anything to do with kirk's assassination because there's just no evidence for it and it's nothing but a conspiracy theory at this point but... why charlie? why do you have to be careful???


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wUq3t9f6ug

"i've gotta be careful the way i say this..."
"i've gotta be careful the way i say this..."
"i've gotta be careful the way i say this..."
freudian slip huh.

his hesitation before saying the IDF plans to ethnically cleanse Gaza is very telling. he knows the IDF is very sensitive to criticism and has agents all over the US. Charlie was based.

[tpols]

Yea he called out some powerful people. Thats when shit usually hits the fan. But at least he had the courage to do it.

[Hey Yo]

It's always possible that something was a conspiracy but as you noted there's no evidence. Closest thing I've seen to proof is just the fact that the assassin only needed one shot. I believe the guys that tried to ofc Trump fired more than once, normally these shooters are trying to make sure. Don't take this as true praise, murder is wrong, but the Kirk assassin was good at it. Not only did he only need one shot but if he had kept his mouth shut no one would have known that he did it. This guy doesn't seem to be an amateur.

There was finger prints found on the campus stairs + other things that more than likely would've lead to his arrest.

[Baller234]

I banged my toe on the corner of my bed this morning. Hurt like a bitch.

Fukking Israel.

[highwhey]

I banged my toe on the corner of my bed this morning. Hurt like a bitch.

Fukking Israel.

https://em-content.zobj.net/source/apple/419/index-pointing-up_medium-dark-skin-tone_261d-1f3fe_1f3fe.png this guy gets it.

[Real Men Wear Green]

There was finger prints found on the campus stairs + other things that more than likely would've lead to his arrest.
If he had never been booked by law enforcement before finger prints wouldn't have mattered. After his arrest they helped confirm his identity but there is no government database of prints for non-criminals.

[Off the Court]

He definitely was NOT "careful about the way he said that"

:roll:

[Off the Court]

"Hmmmmm, gotta be very delicate in how I say this, but they are going to try and wipe out the entire planet. And I don't mean that lightly"



like, bruh :oldlol:

[Off the Court]

It is a little odd that Charlie was got where it was. Because although he was famous, he was not THAT famous. Charlie Kirk wasn't someone that had armed guards with him everywhere he went. Anyone that was dedicated to killing Charlie could had done so just waiting at his home address. Like Pelosi. No reason to kill him public.

I am not sure what that points to exactly. Maybe it just means that the Robinson found out about the Charlie speech and then had an impulsive decision thinking "now is my chance!".

[ZenMaster]

As of at least 5-6 months ago, Kirk was travelling with bodyguards everywhere, he spoke about it at the start of a podcast where he didn't know they were live on the air. IIRC he mentioned having Israelis for this as "they know what they're doing when it comes to security".

Him having to be careful when talking about Israel, it's totally plausible it has to do with Turning Point donors supporting Israel.

The conspiracy angle gets deep and unlikely so fast, but I guess it's not impossible.

[Off the Court]

As of at least 5-6 months ago, Kirk was travelling with bodyguards everywhere, he spoke about it at the start of a podcast where he didn't know they were live on the air. IIRC he mentioned having Israelis for this as "they know what they're doing when it comes to security".

Him having to be careful when talking about Israel, it's totally plausible it has to do with Turning Point donors supporting Israel.

The conspiracy angle gets deep and unlikely so fast, but I guess it's not impossible.

If he is traveling about, I can see that. And I am sure he had a few with him during his final speech. But just in his everyday home life where he isn't traveling? I doubt he had protection. His net worth was $12m according the interwebs. That is "rich" but not "body guard every day" rich.

[ArbitraryWater]

Yea he had nuanced Israel opinions. And I don't believe Israel is some boogeyman with a secret intelligence agency that is willing to pick off Americans at the drop of a hat because they are nuanced about their opinions on the war. Do you understand how ****ing stupid the people who think this is what's going on are?

"I'm not Implying conspiracy" ... thats.. exactly what you're Implying though. It's obvious he was just using a common phrase like millions of people do everyday when talking about sensitive stuff. There is absolutely no reason to make this thread and ask why unless you are literally Implying a conspiracy, which you are.


So what though? Youre splitting hairs over the definition of it, but what OP is doing exactly what we SHOUlD be doing in order to find stuff out.

Be a bit out there, on the offensive, be bold, take some risks. Inquire.

No one knows the ultimate truth about this.

lets inquire. Do some digging, maybe we find something.


Softies with no testosteron like rmwg will immediately be like "omgz no that is not proven / not the official version" in order not to offend anyone or be out there with an actual own opinion, but thats not how we get to anything.

Discoveries are made by exploring.

[ArbitraryWater]

As of at least 5-6 months ago, Kirk was travelling with bodyguards everywhere, he spoke about it at the start of a podcast where he didn't know they were live on the air. IIRC he mentioned having Israelis for this as "they know what they're doing when it comes to security".

Him having to be careful when talking about Israel, it's totally plausible it has to do with Turning Point donors supporting Israel.

The conspiracy angle gets deep and unlikely so fast, but I guess it's not impossible.


Theres a video digging into the security he had, all Israeli firms:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOfgl6rDeSY/?igsh=MTd0enQ2eTEycmZmMg

[AlternativeAcc.]

So what though? Youre splitting hairs over the definition of it, but what OP is doing is exactly what we SHOUld be doing in order to find stuff out.

Be a bit out there, on the offensive, be bold, take some risks. Inquire.

No one knows the ultimate truth about this.

lets inquire. Do some digging, maybe we find something.


Softies with no testosteron like rmwg will immediately be like "omgz no that is not proven / not the official version" in order not to offend anyone or be out there with an actual own opinion, but thats not how we get to anything.

Discoveries are made by exploring.

But the official story is the only one that remotely makes sense and there is overwhelming evidence that supports it.

Posting a YouTube video Implying Israel conspiracy is not digging... it's just perpetuating nonsense.

I'm not claiming literally everything the government ever tells us is 100% correct.

But there are literally people who think every major event is a conspiracy. What they think is "inquiring" and getting to the bottom of things is a really just a giant waste of time.

This is no different.

Leave the discovering to the professionals. Not wacko youtubers looking for views. It's common sense.

[diamenz]

Yea he had nuanced Israel opinions. And I don't believe Israel is some boogeyman with a secret intelligence agency that is willing to pick off Americans at the drop of a hat because they are nuanced about their opinions on the war. Do you understand how ****ing stupid the people who think this is what's going on are?

"I'm not Implying conspiracy" ... thats.. exactly what you're Implying though. It's obvious he was just using a common phrase like millions of people do everyday when talking about sensitive stuff. There is absolutely no reason to make this thread and ask why unless you are literally Implying a conspiracy, which you are.

lol. i'm telling you straight up man to man here - i'm not.

maybe he was worried about certain sponsors pulling his funding? perhaps he was concerned about being labeled an anti-semite? upsetting his or pbd's viewership? who knows? it's anybody's guess.

[diamenz]

I banged my toe on the corner of my bed this morning. Hurt like a bitch.

Fukking Israel.

what's your debt to israel? why don't you defend american interests and how our unbridled support for israel can work against said interests just as vociferously? still waiting on your reply regarding that aspect in the thread from the other day. why aren't you speaking out about our continued involvement in ukraine? not convenient for you because trump has continued the biden policy.

i've covered my bases on foreign policy - the two aforementioned wars, brics and dedollarization. i'd talk about taiwan and china but no one here is interested in that one. you're the one solely focused on israel.

[diamenz]

Him having to be careful when talking about Israel, it's totally plausible it has to do with Turning Point donors supporting Israel.



absolutely one of the more plausible possibilities. thank you for participating in a constructive manner.

see people? it's not hard.

[ZenMaster]

If he is traveling about, I can see that. And I am sure he had a few with him during his final speech. But just in his everyday home life where he isn't traveling? I doubt he had protection. His net worth was $12m according the interwebs. That is "rich" but not "body guard every day" rich.

Given the level of hate displayed towards him it doesn't matter if he was worth 12 million or $100 million, he was under threat from the radical left and not just some CEO of a shoe company. Supposedly he was on the road 300 days of the year and around body guards most of the time.

I don't buy the Israel angle, the messages between Robinson and his "lover" sounds like them setting an alibi that he came up with the idea of doing this all by himself.

[diamenz]

Posting a YouTube video Implying Israel conspiracy is not digging... it's just perpetuating nonsense.



consider for argument' sake that zenmaster's theory is true. that would prove an important point that you can't criticize the israeli government without being punished. even someone as pro-israel as charlie.




Leave the discovering to the professionals. Not wacko youtubers looking for views. It's common sense.

riiight. the professionals like... tony fauci. and those conservative youtubers back in 2020 had no basis around their arguments. especially regarding the lab theory. :rolleyes: come on now.

[Off the Court]

I guess we will see if Tucker and Candace Owens are killed by trannies in the near future.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Softies with no testosteron like President Trump will immediately be like "omgz no that is not proven / not the official version" in order not to offend anyone or be out there with an actual own opinion, but thats not how we get to anything.Fixed that for you. In your dumb ass need to go after me you apparently didn't consider the fact that this is the position of your hero.

[ArbitraryWater]

I guess we will see if Tucker and Candace Owens are killed by trannies in the near future.

I dont doubt they would if they had the chance, do you doubt that? Genuinely? Youd be shocked if a leftist tranny had an open shot to kill them and would vehemently reject it?

[Baller234]

what's your debt to israel? why don't you defend american interests and how our unbridled support for israel can work against said interests just as vociferously? still waiting on your reply regarding that aspect in the thread from the other day. why aren't you speaking out about our continued involvement in ukraine? not convenient for you because trump has continued the biden policy.

i've covered my bases on foreign policy - the two aforementioned wars, brics and dedollarization. i'd talk about taiwan and china but no one here is interested in that one. you're the one solely focused on israel.

Who tf said anything about unbridled support?? Talk about strawmanning.

Here is the reality. Either:

- Israel is controlling everything and America has no agency.
- America is controlling everything and is investing in Israel for other reasons.

Do me a favor, don't post an essay. Give me short brief bullet points. Give me a recent example of America doing something that was good for Israel but bad for America.

[highwhey]

Who tf said anything about unbridled support?? Talk about strawmanning.

Here is the reality. Either:

- Israel is controlling everything and America has no agency.
- America is controlling everything and is investing in Israel for other reasons.

Do me a favor, don't post an essay. Give me short brief bullet points. Give me a recent example of America doing something that was good for Israel but bad for America.

- Meltdown

[Off the Court]

I dont doubt they would if they had the chance, do you doubt that? Genuinely? Youd be shocked if a leftist tranny had an open shot to kill them and would vehemently reject it?

No shock that post went over your head. :oldlol:

Tranny = Israel

[diamenz]

Who tf said anything about unbridled support?? Talk about strawmanning.

Here is the reality. Either:

- Israel is controlling everything and America has no agency.
- America is controlling everything and is investing in Israel for other reasons.

Do me a favor, don't post an essay. Give me short brief bullet points. Give me a recent example of America doing something that was good for Israel but bad for America.

address my points and questions (including the ones in this (www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?522523-Been-arguing-with-these-neo-Nazis-online&p=15035118&viewfull=1#post15035118) post), then i'll address yours.

let me ask you something else as well. if i implied that the cia was somehow involved in 9/11 and made an argument for it, would you entertain it? i'm guessing you probably would.

if i made that same argument but instead implicated mossad, would you exercise the same patience and open-mindedness or dismiss it as woke right israel derangement?

[Baller234]

address my points and questions (including the ones in this (www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?522523-Been-arguing-with-these-neo-Nazis-online&p=15035118&viewfull=1#post15035118) post), then i'll address yours.

let me ask you something else as well. if i implied that the cia was somehow involved in 9/11 and made an argument for it, would you entertain it? i'm guessing you probably would.

if i made that same argument but instead implicated mossad, would you exercise the same patience and open-mindedness or dismiss it as woke right israel derangement?

It depends. Are you saying Mossad orchestrated the whole thing and that America wasn't in on it? That we were being led on a string and manipulated? That's a tough sell. I could buy that it was a government conspiracy. I could even buy that we had help from other countries. I would have a really tough time buying that 9/11 was a conspiracy and that the U.S. had no hand in it.

I don't really know what point you want me to address. You're asking me if I think it's a good idea to support Israel even when it's to our detriment. Obviously I don't. Which is why I'm asking you to give me an example. Maybe we can reach common ground.

Give me an example of America doing something that was great for Israel but terrible for America.

[Norcaliblunt]

Dude was an industry plant. And the industry will take you out whenever they feel necessary.


Making a living off of talking and debating politics is not a real job. Anyone doing so is a shill.

Bottom line.

[Patrick Chewing]

It's a shame we lost the OP.

[diamenz]

Which is why I'm asking you to give me an example. Maybe we can reach common ground.

Give me an example of America doing something that was great for Israel but terrible for America.

i tried to keep it brief but alas...

the iraq war. the israel lobby pushed for and succeeded in framing our invasion as a way to make israel more secure, despite the costs that it would impose on us. members of the bush administration, particularly neocons with strong ties to the lobby, had believed that removing saddam from power would serve israeli security interests. saddam was obviously no imminent threat to us but was a long time antagonist of israel.

so how did the invasion work against american interests?

- it created a quagmire - instead of a short war, we got bogged down in a costly and lengthy occupation, draining our resources and ultimately putting us trillions of dollars deeper in debt without providing any clear strategic benefit to us. not to mention having lost thousands of american service members in the process. it also diverted resources away from a more direct and significant threat to us in al-qaeda. most importantly, said resources could have been better spent on domestic issues or addressing more critical global problems including the rise of geopolitical rivals like china and russia.

- it fueled and intensified anti-american sentiment in the ME and beyond, making it harder for us to achieve our other foreign policy goals and increasing resentment leading to an increased risk of terrorism within our borders. it also destabilized the region, plunging iraq into a civil war which we then had to deal with throughout and prolonging our occupation, ultimately leading to the rise of isis.

- our failure to find wmd's, partly based on faulty israeli intelligence, damaged our credibility and showcased how our government could be misled into major military intervention or a 'war of choice' which had nothing to do with defending our homeland, which then brings up the topic of iran and the potential for regime change which also obviously serves israeli interests, does nothing for us here at home and could lead to yet another foreign policy blunder the scope of what we saw in iraq.

[diamenz]

Here is the reality. Either:

- Israel is controlling everything and America has no agency.
- America is controlling everything and is investing in Israel for other reasons.



it's a mixture of both depending in who's in the oval office. biden did little to resist the lobby. trump did more to resist the lobby in the early months of his term but seemed to cave some time after. the last president to reallg step up to the plate was reagan.

but speaking of the devil, take what you will from this interview aired yesterday:

https://x.com/SamiYusuf/status/1971041796810735900

[diamenz]

@Baller234


you're conflating again or you're just not aware of the difference between the two sides. i'm not patronizing you when i say that either.

...it's the woke left that paints israel as being evil. the "woke right's" focus is strictly america first and questions and holds to account our unbridled support of their endeavors as well as any ulterior motives they may have and leverage that they assume through the lobby that may work against our interests.

do you acknowledge the difference here between the left and the woke right? obviously the spectrum can vary from individual to individual but generally speaking this is the lay of the land.

[Baller234]

@diamenz

So you're admitting that Israel is a lobby. If they're just a lobby, that means they can't be evil masterminds secretly controlling the U.S. with direct orders.

I mean are you inferring that Israel is behind the Iraq war? That Bush and Cheney just following orders? I remember a whole lot of conspiracy stuff being floated around during that time but I don't remember Israel ever being brought up. Even in that farenheit 9/11 movie I don't remember anything about Israel. Was Michael Moore covering for them too? What about that Cheney movie with Christian Bale? I never saw it. Does that movie also allude to Israel in any way?

Was it all fiction? Are you telling me that America had nothing to do with the Iraq war? That we had no agency?

[Baller234]

@Baller234



do you acknowledge the difference here between the left and the woke right? obviously the spectrum can vary from individual to individual but generally speaking this is the lay of the land.

The woke right is very similar to the the woke left. The woke right just replaces "white" with "jew".

The woke right claims to be so bothered by what Israel is doing, and that we are funding them, but clearly it's all just virtue signaling. No one is actually doing anything about it. None of them WANT to do anything about it. If they honestly thought that America was funding an evil genocide, they would be out there protesting with the pink haired weirdos. They would be railing on Trump like he's Hitler.

But no, you guys just yap about Israel. Yap yap yap.

Why? Why not start with your own country??

[diamenz]

@diamenz

So you're admitting that Israel is a lobby. If they're just a lobby, that means they can't be evil masterminds secretly controlling the U.S. with direct orders.

I mean are you inferring that Israel is behind the Iraq war? That Bush and Cheney just following orders? I remember a whole lot of conspiracy stuff being floated around during that time but I don't remember Israel ever being brought up. Even in that farenheit 9/11 movie I don't remember anything about Israel. Was Michael Moore covering for them too? What about that Cheney movie with Christian Bale? I never saw it. Does that movie also allude to Israel in any way?

Was it all fiction? Are you telling me that America had nothing to do with the Iraq war? That we had no agency?

i never implied or inferred otherwise nor have i ever painted them as 'evil wizards' or anything of the sort. i've stated clearly that they're a powerful, if not the most powerful lobby in washington exerting overwhelming influence over our foreign policy.

i really don't understand why you continue to dramatize every point i try to make to you. i'm starting to think you see this as a game and you're not interested in honest discussion or reaching that "common ground" that you spoke of. you're dismissive of everything i say as if there's absolutely no truth to any of it. with the way you act one would assume that you believe everything the mainstream narrative sells. sorry. those are the vibes you give bro. i don't know what else to say here.

maybe we should just end it here. it's clear that we're getting nowhere. besides, if you're open and interested in entertaining these arguments, you'd take the initiative and do your own homework. there's a countless number of more well informed and more articulate people in the podcast-verse that can make a more convincing argument than i can.

[diamenz]

But no, you guys just yap about Israel. Yap yap yap.



you stated just the other day that critiquing the policies of a foreign government, particularly the policies a foreign government that affects and represents our image in a significant way on the world stage, is fair game. now it's just "yap yap yap", 'this that and the other'?

[Baller234]

i never implied or inferred otherwise nor have i ever painted them as 'evil wizards' or anything of the sort. i've stated clearly that they're a powerful, if not the most powerful lobby in washington exerting overwhelming influence over our foreign policy.

i really don't understand why you continue to dramatize every point i try to make to you. i'm starting to think you see this as a game and you're not interested in honest discussion or reaching that "common ground" that you spoke of. you're dismissive of everything i say as if there's absolutely no truth to any of it. with the way you act one would assume that you believe everything the mainstream narrative sells. sorry. those are the vibes you give bro. i don't know what else to say here.

maybe we should just end it here. it's clear that we're getting nowhere. besides, if you're open and interested in entertaining these arguments, you'd take the initiative and do your own homework. there's a countless number of more well informed and more articulate people in the podcast-verse that can make a more convincing argument than i can.

Dude stop.

I asked you to give me an example of America doing something for Israel's behalf, you pointed to the Iraq war. Not a single soul believes that America's hands are clean there.

You are absolutely guilty of the evil wizards thing. You haven't said it outright and in those terms but basically your entire narrative hinges on Israel being some supreme superpower that has all of our leaders secretly under control and are able to calculate every step perfectly in advance without issue.

I gave you a chance to give me a clear example of America being Israel's bitch so we could reach common ground and you said the Iraq War. Come on bro. If that's really the best you have maybe you don't have much of a case. Maybe you got caught up in the hysteria. And yes don't tell me there isn't hysteria going on right now with the woke right. All things point to Israel. 9/11, Pearl Harbor, Kirk's murder... you're all totally rewriting history now and it doesn't take a genius to figure out why. I expected as much from the woke left but to see so many people on the right go down this retarded rabbit hole is pretty depressing I have to say.

I only hope you all have the courage to stand by it when the smoke clears and you all look fukking retarded.

[Patrick Chewing]

Dude stop.

I asked you to give me an example of America doing something for Israel's behalf, you pointed to the Iraq war. Not a single soul believes that America's hands are clean there.

You are absolutely guilty of the evil wizards thing. You haven't said it outright and in those terms but basically your entire narrative hinges on Israel being some supreme superpower that has all of our leaders secretly under control and are able to calculate every step perfectly in advance without issue.

I gave you a chance to give me a clear example of America being Israel's bitch so we could reach common ground and you said the Iraq War. Come on bro. If that's really the best you have maybe you don't have much of a case. Maybe you got caught up in the hysteria. And yes don't tell me there isn't hysteria going on right now with the woke right. All things point to Israel. 9/11, Pearl Harbor, Kirk's murder... you're all totally rewriting history now and it doesn't take a genius to figure out why. I expected as much from the woke left but to see so many people on the right go down this retarded rabbit hole is pretty depressing I have to say.

I only hope you all have the courage to stand by it when the smoke clears and you all look fukking retarded.


I think in 5-10 years these idiots like diamenz and TheMan that went completely off the rails will eventually realize how stupid they were.

[diamenz]

Dude stop.

I asked you to give me an example of America doing something for Israel's behalf, you pointed to the Iraq war. Not a single soul believes that America's hands are clean there.

You are absolutely guilty of the evil wizards thing. You haven't said it outright and in those terms but basically your entire narrative hinges on Israel being some supreme superpower that has all of our leaders secretly under control and are able to calculate every step perfectly in advance without issue.

I gave you a chance to give me a clear example of America being Israel's bitch so we could reach common ground and you said the Iraq War. Come on bro. If that's really the best you have maybe you don't have much of a case. Maybe you got caught up in the hysteria. And yes don't tell me there isn't hysteria going on right now with the woke right. All things point to Israel. 9/11, Pearl Harbor, Kirk's murder... you're all totally rewriting history now and it doesn't take a genius to figure out why. I expected as much from the woke left but to see so many people on the right go down this retarded rabbit hole is pretty depressing I have to say.

I only hope you all have the courage to stand by it when the smoke clears and you all look fukking retarded.

again - you're blowing my views on israel way out of proportion, i can only assume intentionally in order to discredit me from the outset. i've told you straight up from one man to another where i stand on the lobby's influence yet you still insist on the evil wizard nonsense. this is ridiculous. how can you expect anyone to keep their patience and maintain interest in conversating with you when you take this approach?

you continue to associate and group me with others here or others on the woke right as if everyone criticizing the israeli government is a monolith. charlie kirk this, 9/11 that, and now it's pearl harbor. that last one is brand new to me. :lol link me to a post where i implied on pushing or believing any of those narratives. i don't have the time or energy to invest in that nonsense. the fact that you group me in referring to me as "you all" three times in your response is perfectly telling of this.

[Baller234]

again - you're blowing my views on israel way out of proportion, i can only assume intentionally in order to discredit me from the outset. i've told you straight up from one man to another where i stand on the lobby's influence yet you still insist on the evil wizard nonsense. this is ridiculous. how can you expect anyone to keep their patience and maintain interest in conversating with you when you take this approach?

you continue to associate and group me with others here or others on the woke right as if everyone criticizing the israeli government is a monolith. charlie kirk this, 9/11 that, and now it's pearl harbor. that last one is brand new to me. :lol link me to a post where i implied on pushing or believing any of those narratives. i don't have the time or energy to invest in that nonsense. the fact that you group me in referring to me as "you all" three times in your response is perfectly telling of this.

So then if Israel is just a lobby, and America is investing in Israel willingly, what is the problem? Why are you so bothered by this?

Has it ever occurred to you that our goals could possibly be the same? Do you honestly think America would dump all this money into Israel without a reason?

Okay if there's not a good reason for investing all this money into Israel, why are they doing it then? And why do you take issue?

[diamenz]

So then if Israel is just a lobby, and America is investing in Israel willingly, what is the problem? Why are you so bothered by this?

Has it ever occurred to you that our goals could possibly be the same? Do you honestly think America would dump all this money into Israel without a reason?

Okay if there's not a good reason for investing all this money into Israel, why are they doing it then? And why do you take issue?

are you trolling me? we've been over this more than once.

yes, our and Israel's interests align in many regards. however in the instance where we may not align, the lobby works to get it's way regardless and many a time succeeds.

are you going to sit here and tell me that our two country's interests align 100% of the time? do you not think that Israel works to leverage our power as a larger state in order to fulfill their agenda that they wouldn't be able to achieve on their own accord through lobbying efforts? do you believe it is the job of the president and our congress to analyze and decide whether or not any particular action by Israel facilitated or funded by the us is indeed in our interests? do you not think the lobby's efforts in buying out our government has any effect on our decision making? do you not believe that money talks?

[Patrick Chewing]

What wars did the US fight for Israel? I keep hearing this and seeing this shit online and I'm just curious. Who did the United States go to war with at the behest of Israel?

[Baller234]

are you trolling me? we've been over this more than once.

yes, our and Israel's interests align in many regards. however in the instance where we may not align, the lobby works to get it's way regardless and many a time succeeds.

are you going to sit here and tell me that our two country's interests align 100% of the time? do you not think that Israel works to leverage our power as a larger state in order to fulfill their agenda that they wouldn't be able to achieve on their own accord through lobbying efforts? do you believe it is the job of the president and our congress to analyze and decide whether or not any particular action by Israel facilitated or funded by the us is indeed in our interests? do you not think the lobby's efforts in buying out our government has any effect on our decision making? do you not believe that money talks?

I already asked you to give me an example of this happening though and you couldn't. You pointed to the Iraq war for god sakes.

When has the U.S. ever done something at the behest of Israel that was not for it's own benefit? Give me an example of this extremely powerful lobby coercing the U.S.

[Baller234]

What wars did the US fight for Israel? I keep hearing this and seeing this shit online and I'm just curious. Who did the United States go to war with at the behest of Israel?

"The theoretical WW3 that could happen any day now..."

Remember these are the same people who swore up and down just a few months ago during the Iran fiasco that American soldiers would be commanded to die for Israel.

[diamenz]

I already asked you to give me an example of this happening though and you couldn't. You pointed to the Iraq war for god sakes.

When has the U.S. ever done something at the behest of Israel that was not for it's own benefit? Give me an example of this extremely powerful lobby coercing the U.S.

that was my example. I took the time to lay out what I thought was a convincing case without going overboard. you didn't go out of your way to address the points I made - you dismissed it as if they were an impossibility and there could be absolutely no truth to it. so do what you will with it. don't like it? okay well then *uck it I guess we're not in agreement. that's fine.

let's meet in the middle. I think the questions I just asked you are reasonable. you've put me on the spot on this topic plenty. you can entertain them or we'll just end this ring around the rosie here.

[Baller234]

that was my example. I took the time to lay out what I thought was a convincing case without going overboard. you didn't go out of your way to address the points I made - you dismissed it as if they were an impossibility and there could be absolutely no truth to it. so do what you will with it. don't like it? okay well then *uck it I guess we're not in agreement. that's fine.

let's meet in the middle. I think the questions I just asked you are reasonable. you've put me on the spot on this topic plenty. you can entertain them or we'll just end this ring around the rosie here.

Uh sorry but I can't meet you in the middle until you provide facts. Until you provide actual examples of what you're describing.

You want us to believe that America has a history of supporting Israel even when it doesn't benefit us. You want us to believe that the lobby for Israel is so powerful that it can coerce America into acting on it's behalf.

Okay, WHEN has this happened?? If this is the basis of your argument, you should be able to provide examples. This shouldn't be too much to ask.

[diamenz]

Uh sorry but I can't meet you in the middle until you provide facts. Until you provide actual examples of what you're describing.

You want us to believe that America has a history of supporting Israel even when it doesn't benefit us. You want us to believe that the lobby for Israel is so powerful that it can coerce America into acting on it's behalf.

Okay, WHEN has this happened?? If this is the basis of your argument, you should be able to provide examples. This shouldn't be too much to ask.

I don't WANT you to believe anything. i'm stating my stance on the issue. you asked. you're making this into some big 'gotcha' moment. I made case, my argument. you asked for an example - I gave you one, in detail. you don't buy it. or you just don't want to entertain it. okay, no problem.

why are you ducking the line of questions I gave you?

[Baller234]

I don't WANT you to believe anything. i'm stating my stance on the issue. you asked. you're making this into some big 'gotcha' moment. I made case, my argument. you asked for an example - I gave you one, in detail. you don't buy it. or you just don't want to entertain it. okay, no problem.

why are you ducking the line of questions I gave you?

WTF are you even saying anymore?? What questions??

Your stance on the issue isn't even a stance. All you're saying is that "boy it would be really terrible if America just unilaterally supported Israel in all of their endeavors without weighing the risk..."

No shit Sherlock. No one disagrees with this. Obviously I don't think America should be obligated to support Israel under any and all circumstances.

You're complaining about an imaginary scenario that hasn't happened. I asked you to give me an example and it was retarded. The Iraq war?? You're gonna sit there with a straight face and say Israel was to blame for the Iraq war and that America had no hand in it??

If that's the best you can come up with then I'm sorry but you don't really have much of a case.

[diamenz]

WTF are you even saying anymore?? What questions??

Your stance on the issue isn't even a stance. All you're saying is that "boy it would be really terrible if America just unilaterally supported Israel in all of their endeavors without weighing the risk..."

No shit Sherlock. No one disagrees with this. Obviously I don't think America should be obligated to support Israel under any and all circumstances.

You're complaining about an imaginary scenario that hasn't happened. I asked you to give me an example and it was retarded. The Iraq war?? You're gonna sit there with a straight face and say Israel was to blame for the Iraq war and that America had no hand in it??

If that's the best you can come up with then I'm sorry but you don't really have much of a case.

what is it exactly about my argument that you don't buy or care to entertain? that the lobby had no hand in encouraging the bush administration to invade iraq and that said neocons within the administration did not already have this on their agenda? neocons are a very integral part of the lobby's functionality. i know you can agree with me on that much. do you not believe that israel didn't have a vested interest in us taking out the saddam regime on their behalf? as you should already know, saddam was seen as israel's primary antagonist at the time. the lobby as well as said neocons had been pushing us for war against saddam ever since the late nineties. this is documented fact. after failed efforts persuading clinton and subsequently bush before 9/11, the attack helped them to achieve their aim.

you think that all of this is an extreme reach i assume? have you looked into this at all on your own? would you even consider it as being a possibility or you do dismiss it as nonsense due to your biases?

...or is it that you don't agree with the bullet points i made regarding how the war worked against our interests?

[Patrick Chewing]

"The theoretical WW3 that could happen any day now..."

Remember these are the same people who swore up and down just a few months ago during the Iran fiasco that American soldiers would be commanded to die for Israel.

Destroying these people and their fake narratives is so easy. All you have to do is ask them to prove it. :oldlol:

[Baller234]

what is it exactly about my argument that you don't buy or care to entertain? that the lobby had no hand in encouraging the bush administration to invade iraq and that said neocons within the administration did not already have this on their agenda? neocons are a very integral part of the lobby's functionality. i know you can agree with me on that much. do you not believe that israel didn't have a vested interest in us taking out the saddam regime on their behalf? as you should already know, saddam was seen as israel's primary antagonist at the time. the lobby as well as said neocons had been pushing us for war against saddam ever since the late nineties. this is documented fact. after failed efforts persuading clinton and subsequently bush before 9/11, the attack helped them to achieve their aim.

you think that all of this is an extreme reach i assume? have you looked into this at all on your own? would you even consider it as being a possibility or you do dismiss it as nonsense due to your biases?

...or is it that you don't agree with the bullet points i made regarding how the war worked against our interests?

So I'm confused, is it the "neocons" calling the shots or is it Israel?

Bush & Cheney's role in the Iraq war has been scrutinized for 20 years now and not once did I ever hear a peep about Israel. Michael Moore who was one of Bush's most vocal left wing critics made an entire documentary about it and not once did he ever mention Israel. In 2019 Christian Bale won a golden globe for his portrayal of Dick Cheney and nobody was talking about Israel. It was pretty widely accepted that when it came to the Iraq war he was one of the key architects.

If Israel is behind the Iraq war that would mean two things. Not only did the all powerful Israel lobby manage to keep themselves hidden the entire time even in the face of intense scrutiny and investigation, they also somehow managed to get final cut over the official narrative and were able to pin the entire thing on Bush & Cheney and label them the fall guys.

[diamenz]

So I'm confused, is it the "neocons" calling the shots or is it Israel?



neoconservatism is in part by definition the advocacy of a foreign country and israel is and always has been since it's inception at the top of that hierarchy. neoconservatives are without question even more influential than the lobby in that they have the actual power of the office to make the wheels turn and in the case of the bush administration were in his ear 24/7. they played a crucial role in encouraging the iraq war - in the media, in generating dubious intel conclusions and piping them up into the executive branch, and also framing the familiar argument that bush would be 'surrendering' to terror if he didn’t invade iraq. the lobby's wildest wet dream job, hmm? in other words you could venture to call neocons the highest stage of the israel lobby.




Bush & Cheney's role in the Iraq war has been scrutinized for 20 years now and not once did I ever hear a peep about Israel. Michael Moore who was one of Bush's most vocal left wing critics made an entire documentary about it and not once did he ever mention Israel. In 2019 Christian Bale won a golden globe for his portrayal of Dick Cheney and nobody was talking about Israel. It was pretty widely accepted that when it came to the Iraq war he was one of the key architects.



so? are you telling me that you expect something like this to come out of hollywood or the mainstream in general? i'm beginning to wonder about you. do you also believe that covid came from a bat? :oldlol:




If Israel is behind the Iraq war that would mean two things. Not only did the all powerful Israel lobby manage to keep themselves hidden the entire time even in the face of intense scrutiny and investigation, they also somehow managed to get final cut over the official narrative and were able to pin the entire thing on Bush & Cheney and label them the fall guys.

the decision to ultimately go to war was due in part by the lobby's, as well as bush administration neocons', influence and ability to capitalize on the administration's panic and disconsolation over 9/11 and the anthrax scare (remember that?) and was a circumstance of what you could call a 'perfect storm' of bush & cheney, the hysteria from 9/11 and the pressure to take action, zionist neocons in the exec with an existing agenda to bring down saddam, badgering from the lobby as well as still unsettled and manipulated bad intelligence suggesting that iraq was involved.

[Baller234]

neoconservatism is in part by definition the advocacy of a foreign country and israel is and always has been since it's inception at the top of that hierarchy. neoconservatives are without question even more influential than the lobby in that they have the actual power of the office to make the wheels turn and in the case of the bush administration were in his ear 24/7. they played a crucial role in encouraging the iraq war - in the media, in generating dubious intel conclusions and piping them up into the executive branch, and also framing the familiar argument that bush would be 'surrendering' to terror if he didn’t invade iraq. the lobby's wildest wet dream job, hmm? in other words you could venture to call neocons the highest stage of the israel lobby.

You don't believe in powerful wizards but at the same time this so called lobby has the power to orchestrate and manipulate hundreds of different moving parts and trick all the right people into acting on their behalf. All without leaving a trace and achieving their exact goals.

Have they already been to the future too?


so? are you telling me that you expect something like this to come out of hollywood or the mainstream in general? i'm beginning to wonder about you. do you also believe that covid came from a bat? :oldlol:

No I don't expect to get the whole truth from Hollywood, but everyone knows that Hollywood was NOT a friend to W. He was touted as the antichrist just like Trump was. If you're telling me that he was just doing the bidding of Israel, and that Israel had so much influence over American media... what do they have to gain by making W look evil, shady and corrupt? Why not fluff him up as a hero with noble intentions?

And what does that say about Michael Moore? Are you telling me he was bought and paid for by Israel or are you telling me he came up short on his research? What led to the Iraq war has been an ongoing conversation among journalists and reporters for years. How did they ALL manage to skip past this so called Israel lobby? How did these so called lobbyists manage to stay hidden ALL these years?


the decision to ultimately go to war was due in part by the lobby's, as well as bush administration neocons', influence and ability to capitalize on the administration's panic and disconsolation over 9/11 and the anthrax scare (remember that?) and was a circumstance of what you could call a 'perfect storm' of bush & cheney, the hysteria from 9/11 and the pressure to take action, zionist neocons in the exec with an existing agenda to bring down saddam, badgering from the lobby as well as still unsettled and manipulated bad intelligence suggesting that iraq was involved.

Ah of course, it was a perfect storm. Just as they planned it.

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"We sacked Rome, loaded trade ships with plague rats, burned London to the ground..."

Israel is actually the league of shadows. :oldlol:

[diamenz]

you're not open to the theory then, even remotely?

[Baller234]

you're not open to the theory then, even remotely?

That Israel and the joos are the league of shadows and Bibi is Ras al Ghul??

No.

:oldlol:

[diamenz]

That Israel and the joos are the league of shadows and Bibi is Ras al Ghul??

No.

:oldlol:

be serious.

[Baller234]

be serious.

Dude stop.

I responded to you substantially enough and addressed all of your points. None of your theories hold water and I explained why.

[Patrick Chewing]

What wars did the US fight for Israel? I keep hearing this and seeing this shit online and I'm just curious. Who did the United States go to war with at the behest of Israel?

Is anyone going to answer my question??

:oldlol:

[diamenz]

Is anyone going to answer my question??

:oldlol:

do you really wanna know? I mean truly, genuinely curious and intrigued?

[┌∩┐(﹒︠益﹒︡)┌∩┐]

I just found out he passed. I can't believe he's gone. He was my hero.

[Patrick Chewing]

do you really wanna know? I mean truly, genuinely curious and intrigued?

I want to hear your answer to the question.

[diamenz]

I want to hear your answer to the question.

i see you were careful about the way you answered that.

you've read my argument - i laid out the best case that i could in regard to the invasion of iraq and the intricacies in which i believe were involved in creating that "perfect storm" where the bush administration was 'encouraged' or 'misled' by certain individuals during an emotional time in our country to take action.

you didn't want to participate in the discussion. you just yelled from the peanut gallery.

but you don't have to agree with me - at least you've heard the argument despite having no actual interest in the subject. that's why you were careful about how you answered me just now - because you know i would have told you to take the intellectual initiative and done your own homework. the truth is, you just want to use the talking point to score a point for your side because you know no one else here is going to attempt to make a case. impressive chewing. and it's not like you guys need the political points anyway - you seem to always get everything that you want in the end regardless.

[Patrick Chewing]

i see you were careful about the way you answered that.

you've read my argument - i laid out the best case that i could in regard to the invasion of iraq and the intricacies in which i believe were involved in creating that "perfect storm" where the bush administration was 'encouraged' or 'misled' by certain individuals during an emotional time in our country to take action.

you didn't want to participate in the discussion. you just yelled from the peanut gallery.

but you don't have to agree with me - at least you've heard the argument despite having no actual interest in the subject. that's why you were careful about how you answered me just now - because you know i would have told you to take the intellectual initiative and done your own homework. the truth is, you just want to use the talking point to score a point for your side because you know no one else here is going to attempt to make a case. impressive chewing. and it's not like you guys need the political points anyway - you seem to always get everything that you want in the end regardless.

:oldlol:

You guys waste so much time and energy talking about Israel and the Jews when you should be worried about Islam and their increasing numbers and their actual plans of replacing our way of life that a lot of you seem to take for granted. I would worry more about the people that say they want to make the entire world Muslim and to those that will not convert, it's either pay or tax or death.


"But..but...the Jews"


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[1987_Lakers]

The Juice box emoji is now getting censored on Tiktok.

The Juice Emoji is an official Unicode Emoji that was added in 2019 with Emoji update version 12.0. The Emoji is pretty self-explanatory. It's a green juice box with a white, red-striped straw poking out of the top. Its intended use is to represent juice or any number of boxed beverages, but it can also be used in other ways.

Throughout the 2020s, people on sites like TikTok, X, in Twitch chats and more started using the Juice Emoji as a replacement for words like "Jews" and "Jewish."

This has been called a dog whistle by groups like the ADL, as the Emoji is sometimes used in this context to talk negatively about Jewish people without explicitly saying "Jews," allowing certain offensive opinions to thrive on social media algorithms.

[highwhey]

The Juice box emoji is now getting censored on Tiktok.

The Juice Emoji is an official Unicode Emoji that was added in 2019 with Emoji update version 12.0. The Emoji is pretty self-explanatory. It's a green juice box with a white, red-striped straw poking out of the top. Its intended use is to represent juice or any number of boxed beverages, but it can also be used in other ways.

Throughout the 2020s, people on sites like TikTok, X, in Twitch chats and more started using the Juice Emoji as a replacement for words like "Jews" and "Jewish."

This has been called a dog whistle by groups like the ADL, as the Emoji is sometimes used in this context to talk negatively about Jewish people without explicitly saying "Jews," allowing certain offensive opinions to thrive on social media algorithms.

just gonna have to find a new one

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[1987_Lakers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWrByYauPHQ

If they start censoring Tiktok like they did on Twitter before Musk bought it, some Trump supporters have to seriously ask themselves. Are you team America & Freedom of speech or Team Israel & censorship?

[warriorfan]

Jewish people low key blow. They have bad genes in most categories and aren’t fun or charismatic at all.

[tpols]

Is anyone going to answer my question??

:oldlol:

WW2 completely paved the path for the implementation of Isreal tio. USA literally fought peak Nazi Germany war machine for them.

[ShawkFactory]

WW2 completely paved the path for the implementation of Isreal tio. USA literally fought peak Nazi Germany war machine for them.

:lol

Come on.

[tpols]

:lol

Come on.

They did. Why is that funny? A huge % of the citizens in Isreal are European Ashkenazi. USA and the Allies fighting and beating Nazi Germany saved the ones that survived and a lot went to Isreal when the state was immediately formed thereafter in 1948.

[ShawkFactory]

They did. Why is that funny? A huge % of the citizens in Isreal are European Ashkenazi. USA and the Allies fighting and beating Nazi Germany saved the ones that survived and a lot went to Isreal when the state was immediately formed thereafter in 1948.

I'm not disputing that the Allies winning WW2 helped what was left of the Jewish population. I was more commenting on the reasoning for us getting into the war in the first place. It was way bigger than that.

[tpols]

I'm not disputing that the Allies winning WW2 helped what was left of the Jewish population. I was more commenting on the reasoning for us getting into the war in the first place. It was way bigger than that.

Tio asked a question. When did USA ever fight war for Isreal? They literally fought the war that sprung its inception and creation. It doesnt get much more clear cut than that. I'm surprised he asked that question with such conviction.

[Patrick Chewing]

Tio asked a question. When did USA ever fight war for Isreal? They literally fought the war that sprung its inception and creation. It doesnt get much more clear cut than that. I'm surprised he asked that question with such conviction.

That wasn't for Israel. That was for the rest of the free world.

[Baller234]

What wars did the US fight for Israel? I keep hearing this and seeing this shit online and I'm just curious. Who did the United States go to war with at the behest of Israel?


What wars did the US fight for Israel? I keep hearing this and seeing this shit online and I'm just curious. Who did the United States go to war with at the behest of Israel?


What wars did the US fight for Israel? I keep hearing this and seeing this shit online and I'm just curious. Who did the United States go to war with at the behest of Israel?


What wars did the US fight for Israel? I keep hearing this and seeing this shit online and I'm just curious. Who did the United States go to war with at the behest of Israel?


What wars did the US fight for Israel? I keep hearing this and seeing this shit online and I'm just curious. Who did the United States go to war with at the behest of Israel?


What wars did the US fight for Israel? I keep hearing this and seeing this shit online and I'm just curious. Who did the United States go to war with at the behest of Israel?


Thought I would get your attention and repost Chewing's question since all of you are bitches and are afraid to engage with it.

Diamnez you sound like a stuttering retard with your half in half out conspiracy theories and it's obvious you don't even have the courage of your own convictions.

To all you other weirdos I don't know what your fukking problem is with jews but it's very stupid and very gay. Radical muslims are fukking their cousins and taking over entire european countries, and have a way of life that is totally incompatible with ours, but no you wanna cry about Israel and the jews. It's a sickness.

Newsflash RETARDS, if Israel is some evil country then so is America. That means YOUR country is evil too. WE are the ones who fund and enable them. Israel is OUR project.

Just dye hair your purple and go out protesting with the trannies already you woke f@ggots.

[Baller234]

Tio asked a question. When did USA ever fight war for Isreal? They literally fought the war that sprung its inception and creation. It doesnt get much more clear cut than that. I'm surprised he asked that question with such conviction.

Ah of course. The master plan.

The evil jew wizards orchestrated the events that led to WW2, America's involvement in WW2... all a scheme so they could take ownership of land.

Clearly they've been to the future and know something we don't.

These jews are no ordinary adversaries.

[diamenz]

Thought I would get your attention and repost Chewing's question since all of you are bitches and are afraid to engage with it.

Diamnez you sound like a stuttering retard with your half in half out conspiracy theories and it's obvious you don't even have the courage of your own convictions.

To all you other weirdos I don't know what your fukking problem is with jews but it's very stupid and very gay. Radical muslims are fukking their cousins and taking over entire european countries, and have a way of life that is totally incompatible with ours, but no you wanna cry about Israel and the jews. It's a sickness.

Newsflash RETARDS, if Israel is some evil country then so is America. That means YOUR country is evil too. WE are the ones who fund and enable them. Israel is OUR project.

Just dye hair your purple and go out protesting with the trannies already you woke f@ggots.

you just couldn't let it go, could you? you had the last word in our back & forth but you've just gotta get in that one last jab like a female would. :oldlol: why do you get so emotionally triggered over this subject anyway?

man seriously. conservatives simp for israel and jews harder than liberals simp for blacks and "minorities". it's hilarious. another funny thing about it is that they're quick to label any critic anti-semitic while at the same time claiming "rAcIsM dOeSn'T eXiSt In 2025". so which one is it? you wanna call out liberals (completely justified btw) but don't want to own up to your own hypocrisies.

[diamenz]

Thought I would get your attention and repost Chewing's question since all of you are bitches and are afraid to engage with it.



who here made this claim aside from myself and tpols? don't get me wrong, if they did then by all means hold them to account but i'm pretty sure it was just the two of us and tpols meant it in a different context.

[Baller234]

you just couldn't let it go, could you? you had the last word in our back & forth but you've just gotta get in that one last jab like a female would. :oldlol: why do you get so emotionally triggered over this subject anyway?

man seriously. conservatives simp for israel and jews harder than liberals simp for blacks and "minorities". it's hilarious. another funny thing about it is that they're quick to label any critic anti-semitic while at the same time claiming "rAcIsM dOeSn'T eXiSt In 2025". so which one is it? you wanna call out liberals (completely justified btw) but don't want to own up to your own hypocrisies.

Gtfo with your phony bullshit.

I was never one who was quick to label something antisemetic. I don't even like that word tbh. Racism is racism and jews shouldn't get to have their own word. If you scour my post history I probably never even used the word once around here.

But there's no way around it, you guys ARE racist. You guys DO resent jews for some reason.

There is no "simping" for Israel. America is the one who runs shit. Israel is OUR bitch. WE fund them.

When you aren't crying about America funding Israel for totally hypocritical reasons, you're accusing Israel of being some genius mastermind who's manipulating everyone behind the scenes. So Israel is both puppet and puppeteer depending on what day it is for you.

[Patrick Chewing]

They can't answer the question :oldlol::oldlol::oldlol:

They just lie and lie until the simpletons believe it.

[ShawkFactory]

Thought I would get your attention and repost Chewing's question since all of you are bitches and are afraid to engage with it.

Diamnez you sound like a stuttering retard with your half in half out conspiracy theories and it's obvious you don't even have the courage of your own convictions.

To all you other weirdos I don't know what your fukking problem is with jews but it's very stupid and very gay. Radical muslims are fukking their cousins and taking over entire european countries, and have a way of life that is totally incompatible with ours, but no you wanna cry about Israel and the jews. It's a sickness.

Newsflash RETARDS, if Israel is some evil country then so is America. That means YOUR country is evil too. WE are the ones who fund and enable them. Israel is OUR project.

Just dye hair your purple and go out protesting with the trannies already you woke f@ggots.

Are you implying that someone who lives in America couldn't possibly think that its government has done evil things?

[highwhey]

Gtfo with your phony bullshit.

I was never one who was quick to label something antisemetic. I don't even like that word tbh. Racism is racism and jews shouldn't get to have their own word. If you scour my post history I probably never even used the word once around here.

But there's no way around it, you guys ARE racist. You guys DO resent jews for some reason.

There is no "simping" for Israel. America is the one who runs shit. Israel is OUR bitch. WE fund them.

When you aren't crying about America funding Israel for totally hypocritical reasons, you're accusing Israel of being some genius mastermind who's manipulating everyone behind the scenes. So Israel is both puppet and puppeteer depending on what day it is for you.


They can't answer the question :oldlol::oldlol::oldlol:

They just lie and lie until the simpletons believe it.

it's interesting seeing you two hold the line while your own peers turn on you. i hope you two reach enlightenment sooner rather than later.

i would say that for you patrick, i almost admire how predictable you are and consistent you are, but it's a result of willful ignorance and not loyalty.

[Patrick Chewing]

What wars has the United States fought for Israel?

It's a very easy question, guys.

[tpols]

We just told you USA fought the biggest war in human history for Isreal. If they lost? There would be no Isreal. I'm not opposed to Isreal either way as there not my business. But thats what it is.

[ShawkFactory]

What wars has the United States fought for Israel?

It's a very easy question, guys.

Why do you keep asking this question? :lol

Did someone her assert that we are fighting wars for Israel? I’m confused.

[tpols]

Tio are you Christian or Jewish? I'm pretty sure ive seen you rep Jesus a lot. Do you just support Isreal by proxy because you hate Muslims? Thats what it seems like.

[diamenz]

I was never one who was quick to label something antisemetic. I don't even like that word tbh. Racism is racism and jews shouldn't get to have their own word. If you scour my post history I probably never even used the word once around here.

But there's no way around it, you guys ARE racist. You guys DO resent jews for some reason.



...because you don't want to get grouped in with those other israel supporters that do exhibit that type of behavior, right? yet and still in just the following sentence you go ahead and do the same shit to the other side - me in particular. "you guys" "resent jews". come on bro. scour my post history. i've made it clear countless times that everything i fire in israel's direction is aimed solely at the israeli government. not jews. i believe israel should exist and that jews should absolutely have their own state. despite you and i not seeing eye to eye on this, have my criticisms not always been policy driven?

so if you're going to play this dirty game of lumping in the "woke right" with the deranged and emotional woke left that actually do practice anti-semitism (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/31/nyregion/israel-gaza-kidnapped-poster-fight.html), then don't be surprised when you get lumped in with those 'other guys' on the pro-israeli side in the same manner. feel me?

[diamenz]

Tio are you Christian or Jewish? I'm pretty sure ive seen you rep Jesus a lot. Do you just support Isreal by proxy because you hate Muslims? Thats what it seems like.

i wouldn't get involved in this whole israel thing if i were you bro. these guys are gonna jump on you like rottweilers.

[Patrick Chewing]

Why do you keep asking this question? :lol

Did someone her assert that we are fighting wars for Israel? I’m confused.

A few people of your ilk have already mentioned that in this thread. A lot of people are saying it on social media. And all I'm trying to do is get the facts. I'm just trying to find out which wars were fought for Israel by the United States as these people claim. Asking for a friend.

[Patrick Chewing]

Tio are you Christian or Jewish? I'm pretty sure ive seen you rep Jesus a lot. Do you just support Isreal by proxy because you hate Muslims? Thats what it seems like.

I'm a Christian. I support the Jews and Israel because it is right. The Jews have been the most persecuted people in history. They've been the victims of genocides at the hands of the Romans, the Muslims, and the Nazis. They also deserve to live in their ancestral homeland. I truly believe hatred towards Jews and Israel is based on ignorance. Any Christian that looks down on Jews is a fake and dishonest Christian. Jews also have similar ideals to the Western world. Therefore, I think it's up to the rest of the world to protect the Jews and Israel because we do know what Islam wants and we do know that they want every Jew dead.

So many people are sleeping on Islam whether it's out of sheer ignorance or just fear.

[ShawkFactory]

A few people of your ilk have already mentioned that in this thread. A lot of people are saying it on social media. And all I'm trying to do is get the facts. I'm just trying to find out which wars were fought for Israel by the United States as these people claim. Asking for a friend.

What is “my ilk”?

Looking through the thread it seems like you asked that question fairly unprompted.

[Baller234]

Are you implying that someone who lives in America couldn't possibly think that its government has done evil things?

But at least the woke left is doing something about it. They're shouting. They're protesting. They're marching. They hate both Israel and The United States equally.

The woke right claims to be rah rah pro America but in the next breath they're accusing America of evil genocide. They think they can get away with it because they get to blame it on "Israel" but sorry it doesn't work that way. None of it happens without our money so whatever genocide you think is happening it what bought and paid for by the U.S.

What are you doing about it?? Why aren't you protesting Donald Trump right now???

[ShawkFactory]

But at least the woke left is doing something about it. They're shouting. They're protesting. They're marching. They hate both Israel and The United States equally.

The woke right claims to be rah rah pro America but in the next breath they're accusing America of evil genocide. They think they can get away with it because they get to blame it on "Israel" but sorry it doesn't work that way. None of it happens without our money so whatever genocide you think is happening it what bought and paid for by the U.S.

What are you doing about it?? Why aren't you protesting Donald Trump right now???

Are you one of those people who thinks that criticizing someone for something means you hate them?

Kind of little girl tendencies on your part to be honest.

[Baller234]

Are you one of those people who thinks that criticizing someone for something means you hate them?

Kind of little girl tendencies on your part to be honest.

Do you hate Hitler?

[ShawkFactory]

Do you hate Hitler?

Irrelevant question.

[Baller234]

Irrelevant question.

Uh..

If you're accusing Donald Trump and the U.S. of genocide...

[ShawkFactory]

Uh..

If you're accusing Donald Trump and the U.S. of genocide...

Ahhh, yes. Exactly the same situation.

You got me..

:rolleyes:

[Baller234]

Ahhh, yes. Exactly the same situation.

You got me..

:rolleyes:

So Donald Trump is responsible for a genocide but it's okay to still like him and support him? Hitler wasn't such a bad guy after all and it was okay to politely disagree?

Wtf are you even saying??

Exactly. Nothing.

You're fukking retarded. Thanks for proving my point.

[ShawkFactory]

So Donald Trump is responsible for a genocide but it's okay to still like him and support him? Hitler wasn't such a bad guy after all and it was okay to politely disagree?

Wtf are you even saying??

Exactly. Nothing.

You're fukking retarded. Thanks for proving my point.

There are truly not enough eye rolls possible for you :lol

[Patrick Chewing]

What is “my ilk”?

Looking through the thread it seems like you asked that question fairly unprompted.

Your ilk, your people, you know....Demoncrats.

[ShawkFactory]

Your ilk, your people, you know....Demoncrats.

World ain’t black and white, Chico.

[tpols]

After doing some research... Tio might be right.


https://youtu.be/95DbWV7wnxE?si=da06Sd7XSyBR3JUC

I didn't necessarily realize the reason for The Crusades. They put up with 7 centuries of what's going on in Europe and parts of the USA now before flipping lid on these savages. Maybe we do have to team up with Isreal even if it leaves me paying interest here and there.

[Patrick Chewing]

After doing some research... Tio might be right.


https://youtu.be/95DbWV7wnxE?si=da06Sd7XSyBR3JUC

I didn't necessarily realize the reason for The Crusades. They put up with 7 centuries of what's going on in Europe and parts of the USA now before flipping lid on these savages. Maybe we do have to team up with Isreal even if it leaves me paying interest here and there.

I hope you're being genuine. I have been preaching this shit since 9/11. I never knew jack shit about Islam until 9/11 and then i learned its history. It's violent. It's ugly. It's demonic. It's real simple. Christians worship a carpenter who preached about loving thy neighbor and turning the other cheek. Muslims worship a man who beheaded Jews and married a child.

Muslims are telling us to our faces that they want Islam to be the world's religion, and we're just wasting time on TikTok and crying over a tiny little country in the Middle East who is holding its own against the Muslim world.