If the US printed $10 trillion out of thin air and deported all blacks to Africa

[Yes or No]

Who would be better off? The blacks that are allegedly being targeted and systematically oppressed or the US?

That's literally $200,000 per black person. That's a hell of a lot of inflation for the rest of the population to endure, but give it 10 years, and who would be better off compared to today? The remaining average US citizen or the 50 million blacks in Africa?

Anyone on this forum, including blacks, that would be honest with themselves already knows the answer.

Racism is not a pretty aspect of life but unfortunately it is mathematically correct and every single one of you knows it. We all know that doesn't mean that "literally every single person of X race behaves Y way or has Z trait." Of course that's not true. We all know that. Individuals are individuals. There are no absolutes like that, but generally speaking? It's objectively correct.

To deny this is like saying there's no difference between men and women besides physical strength. It's utter nonsense.

[Yes or No]

Also, for the record, again I say this on a general level and certainly not as an absolute, but people of different races just don't like each other. Anyone that denies this is a liar. This is exactly why virtually every country in the world has substantially less diversity than the United States. People like to stick to their own kind. No amount of crying and fake outrage is ever going to change that.

Literally everyone is a racist, it's just that most won't admit it because they're afraid of the blowback.

Extreme diversity is a huge reason why the United States is a soon to be failed state.

[Norcaliblunt]

It’s 2025 bruh.

Lmao.

[Yes or No]

It’s 2025 bruh.

Lmao.

You're a liar.

[Norcaliblunt]

You're a liar.

I just think this old school racist rhetoric was already played out in 1970’s as far as edge lord shit is concerned.

Step up your trolling and get with the times buddy.

[Yes or No]

I just think this old school racist rhetoric was already played out in 1970’s as far as edge lord shit is concerned.

Step up your trolling and get with the times buddy.

Trolling? Of course this is never going to happen, it's just an interesting hypothetical. Blacks are systemically oppressed right? How about we free them from the system and give them a head start?

You're just as racist as I am, you just won't admit it. Are you black?

[highwhey]

OP....




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[Hey Yo]

Who would be better off? The blacks that are allegedly being targeted and systematically oppressed or the US?

That's literally $200,000 per black person. That's a hell of a lot of inflation for the rest of the population to endure, but give it 10 years, and who would be better off compared to today? The remaining average US citizen or the 50 million blacks in Africa?

Anyone on this forum, including blacks, that would be honest with themselves already knows the answer.

Racism is not a pretty aspect of life but unfortunately it is mathematically correct and every single one of you knows it. We all know that doesn't mean that "literally every single person of X race behaves Y way or has Z trait." Of course that's not true. We all know that. Individuals are individuals. There are no absolutes like that, but generally speaking? It's objectively correct.

To deny this is like saying there's no difference between men and women besides physical strength. It's utter nonsense.

dumb topic.... has nothing to do with politics

[MrFonzworth]

OP is addicted to cuck porn

[Norcaliblunt]

Trolling? Of course this is never going to happen, it's just an interesting hypothetical. Blacks are systemically oppressed right? How about we free them from the system and give them a head start?

You're just as racist as I am, you just won't admit it. Are you black?

Bruh your OP is just corny. That’s all.

[highwhey]

OP is addicted to cuck porn

I was just going to say, I too have him under suspicion for that.

[Yes or No]

The US has absolutely cucked itself into oblivion. Pity. There's no where to go. No country to run to. They're all ****ed. The entire planet is in the process of going backwards unless we learn how to modify genetics for massive IQ gains across all races.

[Norcaliblunt]

The US has absolutely cucked itself into oblivion. Pity. There's no where to go. No country to run to. They're all ****ed. The entire planet is in the process of going backwards unless we learn how to modify genetics for massive IQ gains across all races.


Dude you literally are arguing a left point. If the government gave “EVERYONE” 10 trillion dollars we would all be better off.

Instead they lend banks trillions of dollars and the middle man game begins.

Lmao.

This racist guy wants blacks to receive a trillion but whites get nothing.

Wild.

[SouBeachTalents]

OP thought everyone was going to agree with his racist worldview, and that deep down, everyone was as ugly as him.

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[Yes or No]

OP thought everyone was going to agree with his racist worldview, and that deep down, everyone was as ugly as him.

https://i.gifer.com/5EmY.gif

No, I definitely didn't expect anyone to admit it. But they know it's true, and they're lying or retarded if they say otherwise.


Literally everyone is a racist, it's just that most won't admit it because they're afraid of the blowback.

But yes, tell me again how I expected everyone to agree with me.

[Norcaliblunt]

No, I definitely didn't expect anyone to admit it. But they know it's true, and they're lying or retarded if they say otherwise.



But yes, tell me again how I expected everyone to agree with me.

Dude we are all racist. That’s why classism is the real fight.

Argue that average Americans should get a bigger slice of the pie and that we all might improve. That might get us places.

Instead you argue Archie Bunker 1970’s talking points.

Who ****ing raised you?

LMAO!!!!

[Yes or No]

Dude we are all racist. That’s why classism is the real fight.

Argue that average Americans should get a bigger slice of the pie and that we all might improve. That might get us places.

Instead you argue Archie Bunker 1970’s talking points.

Who ****ing raised you?

LMAO!!!!

Well at least you admitted we're all racist.

The top 1% of earners in the US pay 40% of total federal income tax collected.
The top 5% of earners in the US pay 60% of total federal income tax collected.

The bottom 50% of earners in the US pay 3% of total federal income tax collected.

You have been lied to by narrative parrots.

We have a social-program spending problem and we're broke because of it and we will never get out of it.

Do your homework.

[Norcaliblunt]

Well at least you admitted we're all racist.

The top 1% of earners in the US pay 40% of total federal income tax collected.
The top 5% of earners in the US pay 60% of total federal income tax collected.

The bottom 50% of earners in the US pay 3% of total federal income tax collected.

You have been lied to by narrative parrots.

We have a social-program spending problem and we're broke because of it and we will never get out of it.

Do your homework.

That means stop working and being a slave.

You literally are what you are complaining about.

Educate yourself and become a real libertarian voting with your dollars, time, and energy.

[Lakers Legend#32]

All the redneck white MAGAS would eventually turn on each other.

[beasted]

So, OP, tell me where I'm wrong:

You believe that white people should be allowed to be racist against black people because "generally" the white people are smarter, and the black people are stupid and don't know how to manage money. So as a product of their advanced intelligence, it grants the natural authority to leverage that to lord over them, right?

I don't agree with any of that, but is that the gyst?

So, black people are "generally" taller, stronger, and more athletic than white people. Does this not grant them the natural authority to leverage that advantage and be more physically imposing over white people as they complete acts of violence?

Both groups would just be leveraging their natural advantages by symmetry. Correct?

[Yes or No]

So, OP, tell me where I'm wrong:

You believe that white people should be allowed to be racist against black people because "generally" the white people are smarter, and the black people are stupid and don't know how to manage money. So as a product of their advanced intelligence, it grants the natural authority to leverage that to lord over them, right?

I don't agree with any of that, but is that the gyst?

So, black people are "generally" taller, stronger, and more athletic than white people. Does this not grant them the natural authority to leverage that advantage and be more physically imposing over white people as they complete acts of violence?

Both groups would just be leveraging their natural advantages by symmetry. Correct?

Black people don't just not know how to manage money, they don't know how to run a flourishing society on any level.

Lord over them? What? No. They should just leave. Because white people are the oppressors and the source of all of their problems, right?

I never said black people are generally taller, stronger and more athletic than white people, though I do agree with that. That's clearly your own observations of objective reality as opposed to "you racist asshole!" which is what most people will say. Yet even with black people being stronger and more athletic, where has it gotten them throughout history?

You honestly think if we all just went total free for all that blacks would end up on top because of physical advantages? lol.

That's like saying tigers would rule over the Earth because of their physical advantages. Absurd. A combination of traits wins and intelligence is the top. Humans are the smartest on land and they are able to physically travel land and the sea and thus we ended up on top. Within humans, whites ended up on top and it wasn't an accident despite asians being more intelligent. Asians lack empathy which hinders their progress.

Well, whites have too much empathy and it might actually **** us up in the long run, I mean clearly look at the US which is a failed state. Maybe the asians were right after all.

Blacks not being able to run a flourishing society is not their "fault." Nobody deserves hate. None of us picked to be who we are. Evolution played out the way it played out. But people who want to pretend that blacks are where they're at simply because of the white man need to look no further than Africa itself.

I don't hate black people. I don't hate any race. I prefer to be around white people because I'm white and we are indescribably more likely to have more behavioral, societal, social, moral and intellectual things in common than those of other races. This applies to literally ever race. People like to be around their own kind and anyone that says otherwise is lying.

[beasted]

Black people don't just not know how to manage money, they don't know how to run a flourishing society on any level.

Lord over them? What? No. They should just leave. Because white people are the oppressors and the source of all of their problems, right?

I never said black people are generally taller, stronger and more athletic than white people, though I do agree with that. That's clearly your own observations of objective reality as opposed to "you racist asshole!" which is what most people will say. Yet even with black people being stronger and more athletic, where has it gotten them throughout history?

You honestly think if we all just went total free for all that blacks would end up on top because of physical advantages? lol.

That's like saying tigers would rule over the Earth because of their physical advantages. Absurd. A combination of traits wins and intelligence is the top. Humans are the smartest on land and they are able to physically travel land and the sea and thus we ended up on top. Within humans, whites ended up on top and it wasn't an accident despite asians being more intelligent. Asians lack empathy which hinders their progress.

Well, whites have too much empathy and it might actually **** us up in the long run, I mean clearly look at the US which is a failed state. Maybe the asians were right after all.

Blacks not being able to run a flourishing society is not their "fault." Nobody deserves hate. None of us picked to be who we are. Evolution played out the way it played out. But people who want to pretend that blacks are where they're at simply because of the white man need to look no further than Africa itself.

I don't hate black people. I don't hate any race. I prefer to be around white people because I'm white and we are indescribably more likely to have more behavioral, societal, social, moral and intellectual things in common than those of other races. This applies to literally ever race. People like to be around their own kind and anyone that says otherwise is lying.

Why did you say so much in response without actually fully addressing anything that was core to what I said. Did you not understand it with your white intelligence?

It is mathematically correct for whites to be racist against black people, right? According to you they have a naturally-higher probability of being more intelligent than black people. So every time white people are making the decision to choose, promote, hire, buy at an advantage from, sell at a disadvantage to, and in general give the benefit of the doubt to another white person instead of a black person, it is justified. You are stating it is fair game because in the absence of empathy, core to simply making the smartest choice, it naturally the smartest choice in their pursuit of self- preservation to use this advantage and to foster this advantage.

That's what I've observed from your perspective.

So, my question is, why is it not right, empathy aside, for black people to leverage their own physical advantage and use violence in the absence of having their own intelligence to be competitive with? They don't have the intelligence to compete, right? So, aren't they just using their natural advantage just like white people are allowed to use theirs, right?

The crux of your argument is that the racism, while not pretty or comfortable, it's just smart, and the white person used 350+ years of thier advantage tool, was allowed to put morality aside, do away with empathy and make the mathematically probable choices as a tool to get ahead. Do you support black people doing the same? Since it's mathematically improbable to use their whit and knowledge to gain any advantages over whites, they are taking the not-so pretty route to use what tools they have.

Is this not symmetrical use of natural gifts?

[FultzNationRISE]

Why did you say so much in response without actually fully addressing anything that was core to what I said. Did you not understand it with your white intelligence?

It is mathematically correct for whites to be racist against black people, right? According to you they have a naturally-higher probability of being more intelligent than black people. So every time white people are making the decision to choose, promote, hire, buy at an advantage from, sell at a disadvantage to, and in general give the benefit of the doubt to another white person instead of a black person, it is justified. You are stating it is fair game because in the absence of empathy, core to simply making the smartest choice, it naturally the smartest choice in their pursuit of self- preservation to use this advantage and to foster this advantage.

That's what I've observed from your perspective.

So, my question is, why is it not right, empathy aside, for black people to leverage their own physical advantage and use violence in the absence of having their own intelligence to be competitive with? They don't have the intelligence to compete, right? So, aren't they just using their natural advantage just like white people are allowed to use theirs, right?

The crux of your argument is that the racism, while not pretty or comfortable, it's just smart, and the white person used 350+ years of thier advantage tool, was allowed to put morality aside, do away with empathy and make the mathematically probable choices as a tool to get ahead. Do you support black people doing the same? Since it's mathematically improbable to use their whit and knowledge to gain any advantages over whites, they are taking the not-so pretty route to use what tools they have.

Is this not symmetrical use of natural gifts?


It seems what OP's asserting is that racism is by its own definition factual ('racism' being a belief that races exist in a hierarchy of superiority). I guess what hes saying, which you also seem to be agreeing with, is that what 'superiority' means is simply defined by environment. Theres no one universal measure of superiority, it's all context dependent. Different geographies, different cultural environments and whatever. And groups are empirically evolved to thrive or not thrive to different degrees based on which environment theyre in.

Seems like hes asking what purpose it serves black folks in this case to essentially be trying to compete on foreign cultural turf rather than their own. There are probably arguments to be made both ways but it's a fair question that might actually benefit communities by being discussed.

[beasted]

It seems what OP's asserting is that racism is by its own definition factual ('racism' being a belief that races exist in a hierarchy of superiority). I guess what hes saying, which you also seem to be agreeing with, is that what 'superiority' means is simply defined by environment. Theres no one universal measure of superiority, it's all context dependent. Different geographies, different cultural environments and whatever. And groups are empirically evolved to thrive or not thrive to different degrees based on which environment theyre in.

Seems like hes asking what purpose it serves black folks in this case to essentially be trying to compete on foreign cultural turf rather than their own. There are probably arguments to be made both ways but it's a fair question that might actually benefit communities by being discussed.

This doesn't make any sense. Africans were enslaved and brought to this country against their choice, stripped of their language and familial ties to anyone in Africa today. Furthermore, even if you're suggesting blacks should want to leave, nobody is actually offering to pay them to do so.

I really fail to understand how any of what you're suggesting makes any sense.

[beasted]

And I don't agree with any of what the OP is saying, all that I'm saying is by deductive reasoning, the premise I'm stating should ALSO be true. It's only logical.

But for some reason, the white racists are confused by the violence. It's almost like they want to have cake and eat it too. Allowed to circumvent the social contract and use racism, but want blacks to abide by the social contract and not use physical advantages?

Also, why aren't twhites using their advanced intellect to understand something so simple and core to natural selection. Instead, the violence is often misunderstood.

TLDR = Racists should naturally understand this violence, but they don't.

[Hey Yo]

This doesn't make any sense. Africans were enslaved and brought to this country against their choice, stripped of their language and familial ties to anyone in Africa today. Furthermore, even if you're suggesting blacks should want to leave, nobody is actually offering to pay them to do so.

I really fail to understand how any of what you're suggesting makes any sense.

That's not true.... Ebonics is still spoken around the world today.

[beasted]

That's not true.... Ebonics is still spoken around the world today.
You're trying to be intentionally ignorant, but for those who understand anything, Ebonics wouldn't be a language, it's a dialect of English.

African English/Creole English and Ebonics English sound significantly different and they would have a difficult time speaking and understanding each other, and writen communicationa barrier. Even putting the dialect differences aside, English is only the primary language in 2 African countries.

[Hey Yo]

It's a language that's only understood by African Americans and those who grew up around it. It has to be broken down and explained to those who've never been subjected to it. Those who speak it, consider it their personal language.

[Bill Gates]

Every human has bias, yes. It is impossible not to have that.

But not every human is "racist". That is different. And logical humans understand that diversity is a strength, not a weakness.

[beasted]

It's a language that's only understood by African Americans and those who grew up around it. It has to be broken down and explained to those who've never been subjected to it. Those who speak it, consider it their personal language.

Whether you want to categorize Ebonics as it's own language, akin to how Haitian Creole was developed from French at it's core, there is no African nation that has a majority Ebonics speaking population. So, what is your point? You're actually strengthening my argument by not calling it English. Seems like a totally irrelevant strawman, in that, Africans and current black americans would have a valley to bridge in communication.

[Yes or No]

Why did you say so much in response without actually fully addressing anything that was core to what I said. Did you not understand it with your white intelligence?

It is mathematically correct for whites to be racist against black people, right? According to you they have a naturally-higher probability of being more intelligent than black people. So every time white people are making the decision to choose, promote, hire, buy at an advantage from, sell at a disadvantage to, and in general give the benefit of the doubt to another white person instead of a black person, it is justified. You are stating it is fair game because in the absence of empathy, core to simply making the smartest choice, it naturally the smartest choice in their pursuit of self- preservation to use this advantage and to foster this advantage.

That's what I've observed from your perspective.

So, my question is, why is it not right, empathy aside, for black people to leverage their own physical advantage and use violence in the absence of having their own intelligence to be competitive with? They don't have the intelligence to compete, right? So, aren't they just using their natural advantage just like white people are allowed to use theirs, right?

The crux of your argument is that the racism, while not pretty or comfortable, it's just smart, and the white person used 350+ years of thier advantage tool, was allowed to put morality aside, do away with empathy and make the mathematically probable choices as a tool to get ahead. Do you support black people doing the same? Since it's mathematically improbable to use their whit and knowledge to gain any advantages over whites, they are taking the not-so pretty route to use what tools they have.

Is this not symmetrical use of natural gifts?

You are being purposefully obtuse.

Generally speaking, white people are not trying to hold black people down. White people ended slavery and they aren't the ones that started it. America is the least racist country, in the terms that you pretend racism supposedly means, in the history of the world by far and yet it catches ungodly amounts of hate and vitriol for being the most racist.

You know damn good and well if blacks went all out with their physical advantages that whites would shut that shit down quick. So in that sense, sure, go for it.

Everyone is acting in self interest at all times with every interaction, decision and action ever so I'm not really sure what you're trying to "gotcha" me here with. Blacks are already using their advantages to them to the best they can. Crying racism and attempted physical and emotional intimidation. They already do this.

Everyone holds racist views, they just won't admit it. There is a difference between carrying out said views and actively undermining individuals when you don't even know the individual and then understanding that generalizations regarding races are generally true.

Tell me. Thought experiment. Take 100 random white families. Take 100 random black families. Put them in respective brand new neighborhoods with paid off houses and cars and give each and every family 200k each. Which neighborhood is more likely to deteriorate and self destruct over the next 20 years and which neighborhood is likely to continue to progress or at the least stay still? You already know the answer. Don't pretend you don't. And don't you dare for one second pretend that the neighborhoods would look similarly after 20-30 years. Bullshit.

[Yes or No]

This "350 years of advantage" is another bullshit argument. You act like whites hand picked the slaves out of Africa and took only the best and brightest. So basically according to you, blacks were on par with whites because we're all equal and everyone evolved equally at the same rate in different aspects of the world and all of our genetics are the same. Blacks were flourishing and expanding throughout the world and it's only because the evil white man came along and magically enslaved you out of random luck I guess. And that random luck set you back and the 350 year disadvantage accounts for the entirety of the disparity between IQ between the races. lol. As if evolution plays out that fast. Give me a break.

Something like only 25% of white american families owned slaves. Who do you think whites bought those slaves from? Other blacks, slappy. Slavery existed in Africa prior to contact with the Europeans. Europeans took advantage of it and amplified it but you were already doing this low IQ ignorant shit to each other before whites ever came along.

The blacks in America have progressed beyond the blacks of Africa for no other reason than they got lucky enough to be slaves in the US. That is harsh and it sounds hateful but it's just the stone cold hard truth. Life isn't fair and it never will be. I'm sorry.

As of 2021 there were still like 7 million slaves in Africa. You think that's the white man's fault? lol

Holy **** get a grip on reality, stop feeling sorry for yourself and take some responsibility. You will go further in life.

[FultzNationRISE]

You are being purposefully obtuse.


This is correct.

Im not taking any sides of the argument here but it's clear beasted does not want to directly confront what OP is actually getting at.

Also, OP should know better than trying to discuss anything on the dead political subforum with a half dozen regular users on the ISH basketball website. Whom are you trying to have a discussion with? Norcaliblunt? Highwhey? LOL.

Why are you even bothering to bring this here...

[beasted]

This is correct.

Im not taking any sides of the argument here but it's clear beasted does not want to directly confront what OP is actually getting at.

Also, OP should know better than trying to discuss anything on the dead political subforum with a half dozen regular users on the ISH basketball website. Whom are you trying to have a discussion with? Norcaliblunt? Highwhey? LOL.

Why are you even bothering to bring this here...

Can soneone explain it like I'm 10 then?

My original post was fairly direct: "tell if I have this right" and he proceeded to not do that.

[beasted]

I'll start simpler then with 1 by 1 observations fron OPs initial post:

1) Racism against blacks is mathematically supported by probability of intelligence

True or False?
True = OP agrees
False = OP disagrees

[diamenz]

Tell me. Thought experiment. Take 100 random white families. Take 100 random black families. Put them in respective brand new neighborhoods with paid off houses and cars and give each and every family 200k each. Which neighborhood is more likely to deteriorate and self destruct over the next 20 years and which neighborhood is likely to continue to progress or at the least stay still? You already know the answer. Don't pretend you don't. And don't you dare for one second pretend that the neighborhoods would look similarly after 20-30 years. Bullshit.

randomly, yes of course. however that only works because significantly more black families live below the poverty line than white families do.

instead of choosing randomly, sample 100 white families below the poverty line and 100 black families above it and what do you believe the result would be?

do you believe that poor and uneducated whites are more or less just as irresponsible with their finances and general life choices as properly educated, 'civilized' blacks?

[ShawkFactory]

You are being purposefully obtuse.

Generally speaking, white people are not trying to hold black people down. White people ended slavery and they aren't the ones that started it. America is the least racist country, in the terms that you pretend racism supposedly means, in the history of the world by far and yet it catches ungodly amounts of hate and vitriol for being the most racist.

You know damn good and well if blacks went all out with their physical advantages that whites would shut that shit down quick. So in that sense, sure, go for it.

Everyone is acting in self interest at all times with every interaction, decision and action ever so I'm not really sure what you're trying to "gotcha" me here with. Blacks are already using their advantages to them to the best they can. Crying racism and attempted physical and emotional intimidation. They already do this.

Everyone holds racist views, they just won't admit it. There is a difference between carrying out said views and actively undermining individuals when you don't even know the individual and then understanding that generalizations regarding races are generally true.

Tell me. Thought experiment. Take 100 random white families. Take 100 random black families. Put them in respective brand new neighborhoods with paid off houses and cars and give each and every family 200k each. Which neighborhood is more likely to deteriorate and self destruct over the next 20 years and which neighborhood is likely to continue to progress or at the least stay still? You already know the answer. Don't pretend you don't. And don't you dare for one second pretend that the neighborhoods would look similarly after 20-30 years. Bullshit.

While your conclusion here is likely correct, I'm not sure your road to get there is.

The white families in this scenario and then America on the grander scale would be better off, but is that due to an intelligence difference? I don't know if we can conclude that. If you took 100 families of each the black subgroup would likely to be, on average, of lower socioeconomic standing. Because of this, they wouldn't have the same level of skills passed down to them to flourish in the standard way that we think of.

On the Africa piece, African values, goals, and definitions of success are often not going to be the same as in America. This will of course lead to different outcomes.

Essentially I'm saying that it's really difficult to tell what is innate and what is a product of circumstance. Obviously there is overlap between the two but telling where is the tricky part.

[Yes or No]

I'll start simpler then with 1 by 1 observations fron OPs initial post:

1) Racism against blacks is mathematically supported by probability of intelligence

True or False?
True = OP agrees
False = OP disagrees

It's not a matter of if I agree or not. It's just fact, lol. Pure IQ? asians > whites > hispanics > blacks

There are multiple aspects to intelligence and it's not entirely that simple but generally speaking that's what it is.

I mean I can disagree that the Earth is a planet but that doesn't change anything.

[Yes or No]

randomly, yes of course. however that only works because significantly more black families live below the poverty line than white families do.

instead of choosing randomly, sample 100 white families below the poverty line and 100 black families above it and what do you believe the result would be?

do you believe that poor and uneducated whites are more or less just as irresponsible with their finances and general life choices as properly educated, 'civilized' blacks?

No it works because whites are smarter than blacks. You want to put it on education and wealth but you're just a dishonest clown. Explain Africa.

[tpols]

Its tougher in Africa by a lot I would suppose. And they'd get killed / robbed the second anybody found out what money they have by the locals who have not a pot to piss in much less 200 grand USD.

[Yes or No]

While your conclusion here is likely correct, I'm not sure your road to get there is.

The white families in this scenario and then America on the grander scale would be better off, but is that due to an intelligence difference? I don't know if we can conclude that. If you took 100 families of each the black subgroup would likely to be, on average, of lower socioeconomic standing. Because of this, they wouldn't have the same level of skills passed down to them to flourish in the standard way that we think of.

On the Africa piece, African values, goals, and definitions of success are often not going to be the same as in America. This will of course lead to different outcomes.

Essentially I'm saying that it's really difficult to tell what is innate and what is a product of circumstance. Obviously there is overlap between the two but telling where is the tricky part.

Circumstances matter but I would argue that they ended up in these particular circumstances as a result of cause. The circumstances aren't the cause.

Genes matter wildly among siblings. The idea that aboriginals(as an example - yes I know they're not Africans) and Europeans are of the same genetic makeup or anywhere close that would put them on equal footing is absolutely insane.

[beasted]

It's not a matter of if I agree or not. It's just fact, lol. Pure IQ? asians > whites > hispanics > blacks

There are multiple aspects to intelligence and it's not entirely that simple but generally speaking that's what it is.

I mean I can disagree that the Earth is a planet but that doesn't change anything.

So you state its a fact, you also state that everyone naturally operates in their own self-interest. You also said that black demostrate their self interest by crying about racism.

Why is it not fair to state that black violence is simply an excercise of advantage, just as whites excercise their advantage? Why is it not fair to call whites crying about violence = black crying about racism?

You haven't explained where what I've said is wrong.

[Yes or No]

So you state its a fact, you also state that everyone naturally operates in their own self-interest. You also said that black demostrate their self interest by crying about racism.

Why is it not fair to state that black violence is simply an excercise of advantage, just as whites excercise their advantage? Why is it not fair to call whites crying about violence = black crying about racism?

You haven't explained where what I've said is wrong.

They don't have any advantage. The only advantage they have is what they are permitted to have because you and I both know at the true end of the day the only thing that decides the laws is force.

That aside, again you are being purposefully obtuse. Blacks are being violent just in general in far greater numbers in today's America than blacks are being systematically oppressed. In fact it's quite the opposite. The system is trying to give them as many legs up as possible.

The one big thing that they do face that is a systemic problem that is damaging them is single motherhood being incentivized by the government in the form of increased financial aid. However, why don't whites have the same problem at the same rate considering there are more poor whites than there are poor blacks? I wonder why. I wonder! Hmm!

[beasted]

They don't have any advantage. The only advantage they have is what they are permitted to have because you and I both know at the true end of the day the only thing that decides the laws is force.

That aside, again you are being purposefully obtuse. Blacks are being violent just in general in far greater numbers in today's America than blacks are being systematically oppressed. In fact it's quite the opposite. The system is trying to give them as many legs up as possible.

The one big thing that they do face that is a systemic problem that is damaging them is single motherhood being incentivized by the government in the form of increased financial aid. However, why don't whites have the same problem at the same rate considering there are more poor whites than there are poor blacks? I wonder why. I wonder! Hmm!

Can you be a bit more direct?

Earlier you already agreed that blacks "in general" are taller, stronger, and more atheltic.

If blacks are not at an advantage with intelligence, is it fair for them to use what advantages they do possess?

[diamenz]

No it works because whites are smarter than blacks. You want to put it on education and wealth but you're just a dishonest clown. Explain Africa.

you want to hide behind your alt and hurl insults now. who's the clown?

"whites are smarter than blacks". what a basic, generalized statement to make an argument with.

[highwhey]

this is a very pathetic attempt at trolling.

[ShawkFactory]

Circumstances matter but I would argue that they ended up in these particular circumstances as a result of cause. The circumstances aren't the cause.

Genes matter wildly among siblings. The idea that aboriginals(as an example - yes I know they're not Africans) and Europeans are of the same genetic makeup or anywhere close that would put them on equal footing is absolutely insane.

You can also look at governance styles as a reason to. It stands to reason that more democratic nations will develop faster due to domestic cooperation and international diplomacy. Many countries in Africa lack this key trait (again, as a difference in values from it's most powerful people) and it's population suffers for it.

[FultzNationRISE]

While your conclusion here is likely correct, I'm not sure your road to get there is.

The white families in this scenario and then America on the grander scale would be better off, but is that due to an intelligence difference? I don't know if we can conclude that. If you took 100 families of each the black subgroup would likely to be, on average, of lower socioeconomic standing. Because of this, they wouldn't have the same level of skills passed down to them to flourish in the standard way that we think of.
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The truth is it's not so much about intelligence. You dont need to split the atom to have a society. What caucasians have is the most psychological diversity, and thats what has created the most elaborate bureaucracies, and the most expansive civilizations.

Think about covid. Asian societies were told to mask up, and they did. African countries were told to mask up, and they laughed. Both sides were very uniform. How did white society respond? Totally split. The goldilocks effect is a real thing. White societies tend to have a wider range of roles and personality types. Tons of subcultures. Jocks, nerds, goths, stoners, yahoos, etc. That creates a harmony of complexity that doesnt exist everywhere. It's really the root of progress.

If you take other groups and put them in white society, there will be more of a cluster effect at specific places along the spectrum. This is just true biological science. It doesnt consign every individual to that place, but on a macro group level, theres no coincidences. Cause and effect is real. More blacks than asians will grab their dick and dance around and be entertainers, more asians than blacks will sit in their bedroom doing 4 hours of homework to become a physicist. If that's "racist" then by extension youre saying racism is the natural order. Because those are simply the scientific facts.

And in the long run the results will reflect that. Not every role in society is valued the same economically, and therefore not every group is going to achieve equal economic outcome. Not all whites will be successful, and they cant blame racism. What OP is asking, in his tactless way, is why do blacks even want to be around whites at all if theyre going to always blame their challenges on oppression? When clearly theres a lot more to it than that

[ShawkFactory]

The truth is it's not so much about intelligence. You dont need to split the atom to have a society. What caucasians have is the most psychological diversity, and thats what has created the most elaborate bureaucracies, and the most expansive civilizations.

Think about covid. Asian societies were told to mask up, and they did. African countries were told to mask up, and they laughed. Both sides were very uniform. How did white society respond? Totally split. The goldilocks effect is a real thing. White societies tend to have a wider range of roles and personality types. Tons of subcultures. Jocks, nerds, goths, stoners, yahoos, etc. That creates a harmony of complexity that doesnt exist everywhere. It's really the root of progress.

If you take other groups and put them in white society, there will be more of a cluster effect at specific places along the spectrum. This is just true biological science. It doesnt consign every individual to that place, but on a macro group level, theres no coincidences. Cause and effect is real. More blacks than asians will grab their dick and dance around and be entertainers, more asians than blacks will sit in their bedroom doing 4 hours of homework to become a physicist. If that's "racist" then by extension youre saying racism is the natural order. Because those are simply the scientific facts.

And in the long run the results will reflect that. Not every role in society is valued the same economically, and therefore not every group is going to achieve equal economic outcome. Not all whites will be successful, and they cant blame racism. What OP is asking, in his tactless way, is why do blacks even want to be around whites at all if theyre going to always blame their challenges on oppression? When clearly theres a lot more to it than that

I don't necessarily disagree with any of what you're saying really. But to play devil's advocate regarding psychological diversity, wouldn't you say that, on average, white societies tend to be more accepting of and allow freedom of expression to a greater degree?

Perhaps Asians are more likely to spend 4 hours studying because it's engrained in them at a young age that this is expected. Could Blacks being more likely to have flamboyant personalities be cultural as well? Whether it's a subconscious plead for attention when some didn't have enough of it as kids, or it's just looked at as "cool" in those circles and a way to stand out to women. Who knows what the answer is but I think these are things to consider.

[TeflonDonTrump]

a homogenous society always seem to always run the most successful. Look at places like china, korea, japan.

They all lack 2 common denominators... blacks and messycans.

[TeflonDonTrump]

a homogenous society always seem to always run the most successful. Look at places like china, korea, japan.

They all lack 2 common denominators... blacks and messycans.

[FultzNationRISE]

I don't necessarily disagree with any of what you're saying really. But to play devil's advocate regarding psychological diversity, wouldn't you say that, on average, white societies tend to be more accepting of and allow freedom of expression to a greater degree?

Perhaps Asians are more likely to spend 4 hours studying because it's engrained in them at a young age that this is expected. Could Blacks being more likely to have flamboyant personalities be cultural as well? Whether it's a subconscious plead for attention when some didn't have enough of it as kids, or it's just looked at as "cool" in those circles and a way to stand out to women. Who knows what the answer is but I think these are things to consider.

Well culture tends to follow tendency. Societies dont just create norms arbitrarily, theyre rooted in what people are already prone to.

[Baller234]

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1965541504816230511

Look at how safe and peaceful this train is.

Everyone just minding their business, acting civilized, no weirdos, no druggies, no panhandlers, no mentally ill ghetto trash looking for a confrontation.

[beasted]

a homogenous society always seem to always run the most successful. Look at places like china, korea, japan.

They all lack 2 common denominators... blacks and messycans.

What are you talking about? What is the measure of "successful"? There are tons of homogeneous societies of various ethnicities that are terrible places to live.

Phillipines (south asian). North Korea (north asian). Syria (arab). Pakistan (punjabi/persian). Moldova (white). Argentina (white hispanic). These coutries are absent ethnic diversity, with one ethnic group dominating no less than 90% of the population, and they're terrible all by themselves without a black or Mexican in sight. Be for real, guy.

Your generalization is easily defeated. Care to move the goal-post or explain how I'm wrong?

[highwhey]

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1965541504816230511

Look at how safe and peaceful this train is.

Everyone just minding their business, acting civilized, no weirdos, no druggies, no panhandlers, no mentally ill ghetto trash looking for a confrontation.

if it's so great why don't you move there?

[TeflonDonTrump]

What are you talking about? What is the measure of "successful"? There are tons of homogeneous societies of various ethnicities that are terrible places to live.

Phillipines (south asian). North Korea (north asian). Syria (arab). Pakistan (punjabi/persian). Moldova (white). Argentina (white hispanic). These coutries are absent ethnic diversity, with one ethnic group dominating no less than 90% of the population, and they're terrible all by themselves without a black or Mexican in sight. Be for real, guy.

Your generalization is easily defeated. Care to move the goal-post or explain how I'm wrong?

Phillipines has a bunch of blacks and people who try to be messycan. Argentina is flooded with Messycans.

The only news you have against N. Korea is fake news cnn. Do you really know what goes in there. I cannot say. I'm leaving this out.

Syria is torn apart because of war from USA. Moldova...stop taking data from after the civil war. See what it is NOW.

Argentina has a bunch of messycans.

[tpols]

a homogenous society always seem to always run the most successful. Look at places like china, korea, japan.

They all lack 2 common denominators... blacks and messycans.

AIRL said most Sun Type 12 Class 7 planets were totally homogenous. And that Earth is basically a multicultural prison planet filled with dump offs of many different galaxies unwanted beings. We're like the Austrailia of the known Universe. :lol Oy mate!

[beasted]

Phillipines has a bunch of blacks and people who try to be messycan. Argentina is flooded with Messycans.

The only news you have against N. Korea is fake news cnn. Do you really know what goes in there. I cannot say. I'm leaving this out.

Syria is torn apart because of war from USA. Moldova...stop taking data from after the civil war. See what it is NOW.

Argentina has a bunch of messycans.

You talk out of your ass.

[Baller234]

if it's so great why don't you move there?

I would rather restore my own country to sanity.

You're the one who hates America. You're the one who should leave. That would be a great first step.