The biggest LeBron hater on YouTube just put Kobe #2 on his top 10 list

[1987_Lakers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvD9m4Cvpbg

Kobe #2
No LeBron (pretty on brand)
No Shaq

Has Giannis over Curry

Hakeem in the top 5 over Russell & Wilt.

:roll:

[k0kakw0rld]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvD9m4Cvpbg

Kobe #2
No LeBron (pretty on brand)
No Shaq

Has Giannis over Curry

Hakeem in the top 5 over Russell & Wilt.

:roll:

Giannis can defend, do more on a basketball court than Steph can.

[ArbitraryWater]

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[Full Court]

:roll:

Putting Kobe at #2 is about as dumb as putting Lebron at #2.




And not nearly as retarded as putting LeShrivel at #1.

[Baller234]

Hakeem isn't better than Wilt & Russell?

He's not as historically significant, but he's definitely better.

[1987_Lakers]

Hakeem isn't better than Wilt & Russell?

He's not as historically significant, but he's definitely better.

Peak wise you could make the case. But he also couldn't get out the first round 5 years in a row during his prime. Other all-time greats would never hear the end of it if that was the case for them.

Not sure how you could have Hakeem top 5 and not even have Shaq in the top 10.

[Baller234]

Peak wise you could make the case. But he also couldn't get out the first round 5 years in a row during his prime. Other all-time greats would never hear the end of it if that was the case for them.

Not sure how you could have Hakeem top 5 and not even have Shaq in the top 10.

Bill Russell joined a team that had:

- Multiple HOF'ers
- The previous league MVP
- The greatest coach of his generation

We both know that Hakeem's career looks different if all those same things applied.

It's not fair to Russell & Wilt because they played in a more primitive era and Hakeem benefited from 20+ years of advanced knowledge, coaching and conditioning... but the facts are the facts. Dream was way more advanced and brought way more to the table.

If you were picking a team, at no point would you choose either of them before Dream. I definitely wouldn't.

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[1987_Lakers]

Bill Russell joined a team that had:

- Multiple HOF'ers
- The previous league MVP
- The greatest coach of his generation

We both know that Hakeem's career looks different if all those same things applied.

It's not fair to Russell & Wilt because they played in a more primitive era and Hakeem benefited from 20+ years of advanced knowledge, coaching and conditioning... but the facts are the facts. Dream was way more advanced and brought way more to the table.

If you were picking a team, at no point would you choose either of them before Dream. I definitely wouldn't.
Alot of those guys made the hall of fame because of Russell.

K.C. Jones never even made an all-star team and made the hall of fame. :oldlol:

[Soundwave]

I kinda get what he's basing it on, more on pure skill/talent/ability and not as much on career resume. In that case, I mean sure Hakeem Olajuwon is as skilled as any center to have ever played. It wouldn't be the top 10 I would pick, but I do like that he gives Duncan and Hakeem their props.

[Im Still Ballin]

I kinda get what he's basing it on, more on pure skill/talent/ability and not as much on career resume. In that case, I mean sure Hakeem Olajuwon is as skilled as any center to have ever played. It wouldn't be the top 10 I would pick, but I do like that he gives Duncan and Hakeem their props.

The problem with that approach is that it removes an obvious component: cognition. Basketball IQ, awareness, decision-making; how you think about the game heavily influences the choices you make on the court. For all of Hakeem's skill, he was lacking between the ears and as a result continually displayed poor shot selection and weak passing reads.

[warriorfan]

The problem with that approach is that it removes an obvious component: cognition. Basketball IQ, awareness, decision-making; how you think about the game heavily influences the choices you make on the court. For all of Hakeem's skill, he was lacking between the ears and as a result continually displayed poor shot selection and weak passing reads.

Processing ability and processing speed can get under looked a lot of the time.

[1987_Lakers]

The problem with that approach is that it removes an obvious component: cognition. Basketball IQ, awareness, decision-making; how you think about the game heavily influences the choices you make on the court. For all of Hakeem's skill, he was lacking between the ears and as a result continually displayed poor shot selection and weak passing reads.

Shaq & Duncan were for sure better overall passers than Hakeem.

2000-2005 Shaq would occasional drop some very nice dimes, I remember Wade saying he was surprised at how good of a passer Shaq was when he joined Miami.

I value Hakeem's peak extremely high, but I feel many people overlook the bad of his career and ignore some of his shortcomings.

Hakeem's stock was at an all time low in '91 and '92, he wasn't producing. Forget David Robinson, pretty much everyone ranked Ewing ahead of Hakeem during those seasons.

You're gonna tell me you had 2 centers better than you at one point during your prime, but still be considered a top 5 player ever? lol, no way.

[Full Court]

Shaq & Duncan were for sure better overall passers than Hakeem.

2000-2005 Shaq would occasional drop some very nice dimes, I remember Wade saying he was surprised at how good of a passer Shaq was when he joined Miami.

I value Hakeem's peak extremely high, but I feel many people overlook the bad of his career and ignore some of his shortcomings.

Hakeem's stock was at an all time low in '91 and '92, he wasn't producing. Forget David Robinson, pretty much everyone ranked Ewing ahead of Hakeem during those seasons.

You're gonna tell me you had 2 centers better than you at one point during your prime, but still be considered a top 5 player ever? lol, no way.

Lebron had three players better than him in his prime. Kawhi, Curry, and Durant. I do agree with you though. Neither he nor Hakeem are top 5 all time.

[1987_Lakers]

Lebron had three players better than him in his prime. Kawhi, Curry, and Durant. I do agree with you though. Neither he nor Hakeem are top 5 all time.

No player was better than LeBron from 2009-2018.

2019 goes to Kawhi. LeBron got injured that year. 2020 goes to LeBron.

Curry was better than LeBron in 2021, but LeBron wasn't at his best anymore. He was 36 years old by then.

Hakeem was in his late 20's when Ewing had surpassed him as a player for a bit.

[Soundwave]

The problem with that approach is that it removes an obvious component: cognition. Basketball IQ, awareness, decision-making; how you think about the game heavily influences the choices you make on the court. For all of Hakeem's skill, he was lacking between the ears and as a result continually displayed poor shot selection and weak passing reads.

Passing is arguably the least important aspect for a center, it's a nice to have, not a must have IMO. Yes Jokic breaks the mold but he is a unicorn of a player.

It looks like this guy's list is heavily slanted towards guys who are great offensively and defensively too and Hakeem certainly would be way up there on that basis.

[Soundwave]

Shaq & Duncan were for sure better overall passers than Hakeem.

2000-2005 Shaq would occasional drop some very nice dimes, I remember Wade saying he was surprised at how good of a passer Shaq was when he joined Miami.

I value Hakeem's peak extremely high, but I feel many people overlook the bad of his career and ignore some of his shortcomings.

Hakeem's stock was at an all time low in '91 and '92, he wasn't producing. Forget David Robinson, pretty much everyone ranked Ewing ahead of Hakeem during those seasons.

You're gonna tell me you had 2 centers better than you at one point during your prime, but still be considered a top 5 player ever? lol, no way.

Depends on how much you put into a player's absolute prime.

If you gathered the best centers ever and put '95 Hakeem in there, would he cook a lot of them? Maybe even all of them? Quite possibly yeah.

The other thing is it's not like Hakeem played all his career with a defacto superstar. He upset the Lakers early in his career with Ralph Sampson, won a title in '94 with arguably Vernon Maxwell as his no.2 option. He did get Clyde Drexler finally by '95, but Drexler was declining by that point.

[Full Court]

No player was better than LeBron from 2009-2018.

2019 goes to Kawhi. LeBron got injured that year. 2020 goes to LeBron.

Curry was better than LeBron in 2021, but LeBron wasn't at his best anymore. He was 36 years old by then.

Hakeem was in his late 20's when Ewing had surpassed him as a player for a bit.

If we're only talking about single years, then Kobe and Wade were also better than Lebron in his prime.

[1987_Lakers]

If we're only talking about single years, then Kobe and Wade were also better than Lebron in his prime.

LeBron surpassed Kobe in 2009.

Wade himself will tell you he was never better than Bron.

[Full Court]

LeBron surpassed Kobe in 2009.

Wade himself will tell you he was never better than Bron.

So 4 years into the league and Lebron hadn't reached prime yet? :roll:

And Wade was being humble. Everyone knows he was better than Lebron before his knees became shot.

[1987_Lakers]

So 4 years into the league and Lebron hadn't reached prime yet? :roll:

And Wade was being humble. Everyone knows he was better than Lebron before his knees became shot.

He was 18 when he came into the league. Became a superstar by age 20 and won his first MVP by age 24. I don't know what you find so funny.

And no, peak Wade was amazing but most fans had LeBron ranked ahead of him pretty much their entire careers. 2009 included. I guess you could argue 2006 because of what Wade did in the Finals, but LeBron was only 21 at that point. Only a doofus would hold that against him.

[Full Court]

He was 18 when he came into the league. Became a superstar by age 20 and won his first MVP by age 24. I don't know what you find so funny.

And no, peak Wade was amazing but most fans had LeBron ranked ahead of him pretty much their entire careers. 2009 included. I guess you could argue 2006 because of what Wade did in the Finals, but LeBron was only 21 at that point. Only a doofus would hold that against him.

I don't know who the "most fans" that you reference are, but probably Bronie fluffers that you hang out with. Wade was better 2008 and 2009 - both of which were Lebron's prime years.

[1987_Lakers]

2008??? Wade missed like half the season and didn't even average 25 a game.

As for 2009

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=2433040

Stop talking out your ass.

[Full Court]

2008??? Wade missed like half the season and didn't even average 25 a game.

As for 2009

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=2433040

Stop talking out your ass.

And how are you going to say Lebron was the best player in 2020 when he wasn't even the best player on his team??? LeCarried by AD.

:biggums:

[1987_Lakers]

And how are you going to say Lebron was the best player in 2020 when he wasn't even the best player on his team??? LeCarried by AD.

:biggums:

What happened to your Wade argument? :oldlol:

[Full Court]

What happened to your Wade argument? :oldlol:

Everyone knows prime Wade was better than Lebron.

But while we're on the subject, you know who else was better than prime Lebron?









TOM BRADY :roll:

[HoopsNY]

Peak wise you could make the case. But he also couldn't get out the first round 5 years in a row during his prime. Other all-time greats would never hear the end of it if that was the case for them.

Not sure how you could have Hakeem top 5 and not even have Shaq in the top 10.


Shaq & Duncan were for sure better overall passers than Hakeem.

2000-2005 Shaq would occasional drop some very nice dimes, I remember Wade saying he was surprised at how good of a passer Shaq was when he joined Miami.

I value Hakeem's peak extremely high, but I feel many people overlook the bad of his career and ignore some of his shortcomings.

Hakeem's stock was at an all time low in '91 and '92, he wasn't producing. Forget David Robinson, pretty much everyone ranked Ewing ahead of Hakeem during those seasons.

You're gonna tell me you had 2 centers better than you at one point during your prime, but still be considered a top 5 player ever? lol, no way.

You always say the same things and I've repeatedly provided context, but you then reiterate the same arguments without ever responding. It's very strange.

I'll say it again:

The Rockets were the dynasty to be but injuries to Sampson, coke addictions of guys like Wiggins, Lloyd, and Lucas, led to subsequent releases and bans. They added guys like Thorpe but gave up McCray in the process, who was a valuable piece. There's good reason to believe that if that group was healthy and was able to stay together, that they would have competed for 2 titles in the late 80s.

Hakeem's first round exits are misleading because of this. You're citing his '91 season but forgetting that was the season he had the orbital bone injury which really affected his play ability, and he only started in 50 games that year. Prior to the injury, Hakeem was putting up something like 25/14/3/2/4 on 50%.

'92 was the season management suspended him for in the midst of a playoff run. Houston went 0-5 during the suspension and were just 2-10 without Dream for the season. It was the season the front office accused him of faking an injury, which he denied. But things got really shitty in Houston and he wanted out. I think Houston wins 50 games with Hakeem not missing time, easily.

I also think it's easy to cherrypick four 1st round exits (arbitrary numbers as well), especially considering the streak of woes that they had due to the demise of his cast. But we can cherrypick a lot of other players and similar problems.

MJ's first three seasons were all prime years, yet he got bounced out of the 1st round each year.

Kareem also had five seasons during his prime where he either missed the playoffs or exited the first round, but you conveniently left that out.

1973: Loss to GSW
1975: Missed playoffs
1976: Missed playoffs
1978: Loss to SEA
1981: Loss to HOU

'73 was the semifinals, but the first round nonetheless. I'm really curious why Kareem doesn't get held to the same standard, especially when he's higher on literally everyone else's list (except mine).

Kobe either didn't make the playoffs or was a 1st round exit three years in a row between 2005-07.

KG was a 1st round exit 7 years in a row. In Steph's first 5 seasons, he got out of the 1st round once. Not saying he was in his prime immediately, but why doesn't Dream get credit for at least making the playoffs his first season, and finals his second, if others couldn't do the same? Oh I forgot...there's context.

And what's this whole thing about passing that people seem to be hyper-fixated on, which again is decontextualized. Everyone seems to forget that in those days, it was really about the system. Once you surrounded a center with shooters, then his true passing ability became exposed.

Shaq's passing looked elevated in the triangle. Duncan's passing becomes more noticeable after 2006. Hakeem was no different. Houston was the first 3 and D team. Rudy explicitly mentioned their goal was to surround Hakeem with shooters, and it's why he looked as good as he did passing out of doubles and triples. The results were clear. Houston jumped from a 20th ranked offense to 6th in 1993, and of course went the distance in 1994 and 1995.

PS Shaq '00-'03: 3.1 APG
PS Hakeem '93-'96: 4.4 APG

I'm not even saying Hakeem was necessarily better at passing, but man, the context continues to be lost when we dissect his career and it's a shame because he simply didn't have the luxuries most of these other guys did.

[1987_Lakers]

MJ's first three seasons were all prime years, yet he got bounced out of the 1st round each year.

Kareem also had five seasons during his prime where he either missed the playoffs or exited the first round, but you conveniently left that out.

1973: Loss to GSW
1975: Missed playoffs
1976: Missed playoffs
1978: Loss to SEA
1981: Loss to HOU

'73 was the semifinals, but the first round nonetheless. I'm really curious why Kareem doesn't get held to the same standard, especially when he's higher on literally everyone else's list (except mine).

Kobe either didn't make the playoffs or was a 1st round exit three years in a row between 2005-07.

KG was a 1st round exit 7 years in a row. In Steph's first 5 seasons, he got out of the 1st round once. Not saying he was in his prime immediately, but why doesn't Dream get credit for at least making the playoffs his first season, and finals his second, if others couldn't do the same? Oh I forgot...there's context.

This is ridiculous

MJ also won 5 MVPs, won 6 titles, and was best player of the 90's
Kareem won 6 MVPs, won 5 titles, and was best player of the 70s
Steph was a late bloomer, and I don't think anyone has him top 5 ever.
KG is not even top 10 in most lists you see.
Only casuals have Kobe in the top 5

I can't rank a guy top 5 ever when there were two other players at your own position during your own prime at one point who were better than you. Even Brad Daugherty made All-NBA Team over Hakeem in '92. :oldlol:

He has the peak play, but doesn't have the accolades to be considered top 5 ever.

[HoopsNY]

This is ridiculous

MJ also won 5 MVPs, won 6 titles, and was best player of the 90's
Kareem won 6 MVPs, won 5 titles, and was best player of the 70s
Steph was a late bloomer, and I don't think anyone has him top 5 ever.
KG is not even top 10 in most lists you see.
Only casuals have Kobe in the top 5

I can't rank a guy top 5 ever when there were two other players at your own position during your own prime at one point who were better than you. Even Brad Daugherty made All-NBA Team over Hakeem in '92. :oldlol:

So when disproven, you move the goalposts. These were your exact words:


But he also couldn't get out the first round 5 years in a row during his prime. Other all-time greats would never hear the end of it if that was the case for them.

But other ATGs did have similar or the same woes. Instead of saying, "hey, I was wrong," you double down on it but move the goalposts.

This happened with Kareem. Your response? A deflection I showed you how we can cherrypick data and create arbitrary lines. Hakeem took his team the playoffs and then the finals within his first 2 seasons. By your logic, there should be no excuse for guys like MJ, LeBron, Steph, or Kobe.

[1987_Lakers]

I probably worded that a bit wrong, the problem is the other players you mentioned have a shit tons of titles or MVPs or are not even top 5 at all and a lot of them did not have 5 seasons in a row where they had 1st round exits or missed the playoffs during their prime. Hakeem simply doesn’t have the accolades to be top 5 and to be honest it’s only a matter of time he moves out the top 10, you could make case Curry has surpassed him already.

[tpols]

Should've been #1.

[Baller234]

Shaq & Duncan were for sure better overall passers than Hakeem.

2000-2005 Shaq would occasional drop some very nice dimes, I remember Wade saying he was surprised at how good of a passer Shaq was when he joined Miami.

I value Hakeem's peak extremely high, but I feel many people overlook the bad of his career and ignore some of his shortcomings.

Hakeem's stock was at an all time low in '91 and '92, he wasn't producing. Forget David Robinson, pretty much everyone ranked Ewing ahead of Hakeem during those seasons.

You're gonna tell me you had 2 centers better than you at one point during your prime, but still be considered a top 5 player ever? lol, no way.

Who tf cares about those random seasons in 91 and 92? It's not like they "leaped" him. By 94 he proved he was better than Ewing beyond a shadow of a doubt and then he proved he was better than Admiral in 95.

Every great player has dark spots on their resume. Tragic Johnson?? That's not how we judge all time greats. Hakeem was good enough and for long enough to not have his worst years held against him imo.

[Nowoco]

People have lost their ****ing minds with Kobe's ranking in recent years.

Before he died, he was out of more top 10s than in them. In the weeks/months after he passed, he started rising to 7-8th or thereabouts.

Now in the last year and with completely straight faces, Kobe being #2 has been said by many people, even some prominent ex-players.

I love Kobe, nothing but respect for him, have a picture of him on my wall. But having him #2 all-time is more insane than putting LeBron 10th or Wilt 50th.

[Hey Yo]

Claiming 80's Rockets would've been a dynasty without even winning a single championship first?

:biggums:

[HoopsNY]

Claiming 80's Rockets would've been a dynasty without even winning a single championship first?

:biggums:

It was spoken of through the years. It's speculation but there's good reason to believe that they would have usurped the Lakers to challenge the Pistons in the finals.

[HoopsNY]

I probably worded that a bit wrong, the problem is the other players you mentioned have a shit tons of titles or MVPs or are not even top 5 at all and a lot of them did not have 5 seasons in a row where they had 1st round exits or missed the playoffs during their prime. Hakeem simply doesn’t have the accolades to be top 5 and to be honest it’s only a matter of time he moves out the top 10, you could make case Curry has surpassed him already.

A bit? Anyway, the other points still stand. I also don't care for longevity statistics. If we're talking about individual careers then sure, but that only became more of a thing in recent years. Otherwise, I don't really care much for it.

The points about his passing are overblown and like his playoff troubles, are overblown.

[ImKobe]

People have lost their ****ing minds with Kobe's ranking in recent years.

Before he died, he was out of more top 10s than in them. In the weeks/months after he passed, he started rising to 7-8th or thereabouts.

Now in the last year and with completely straight faces, Kobe being #2 has been said by many people, even some prominent ex-players.

I love Kobe, nothing but respect for him, have a picture of him on my wall. But having him #2 all-time is more insane than putting LeBron 10th or Wilt 50th.

It doesn't matter, it's a personal preference. More fans have Kobe top 5 than you're going to be happy with. His cultural impact is higher than most and he was good enough to back it up at his best. His stats might not be the prettiest but he was far more entertaining to watch than guys like Duncan. No one outside of the losers on the internet care about the advanced metrics. ESPN had a public poll on Kobe vs. Lebron after Lebron won his 2016 championship and Kobe won that poll by tens of thousands of votes out of like 200 thousand combined at the time. Plenty of people argued Kobe top 5 all-time well before his demise.

[Nowoco]

ESPN had a public poll on Kobe vs. Lebron after Lebron won his 2016 championship and Kobe won that poll by tens of thousands of votes out of like 200 thousand combined at the time. Plenty of people argued Kobe top 5 all-time well before his demise.

Public polls mean absolutely jack shit. Jordan was voted the best college player of all-time and even as an ardent Jordan stan, that was ludicrous. You definitely can't even trust ex players these days so I dont want to hear about "guys who played against him said xxx". They've all got scores to settle or undue biases. Zeke calling Kareem the GOAT, Paul Pierce not having LeBron top 10, KG the same. Shaq having Kobe #2. The analysts also are full of it. Skip Bayless having LeBron 9th or Nick Wright putting Jordan 3rd.

Basically, you can't trust anyone or anything. People don't even believe what they say. But what is fact is that if you have Kobe #2 you're either a deranged stan, some casual who knows nothing about ball, trolling period, or influenced by some other bias. No exceptions.

[1987_Lakers]

Public polls mean absolutely jack shit. Jordan was voted the best college player of all-time and even as an ardent Jordan stan, that was ludicrous. You definitely can't even trust ex players these days so I dont want to hear about "guys who played against him said xxx". They've all got scores to settle or undue biases. Zeke calling Kareem the GOAT, Paul Pierce not having LeBron top 10, KG the same. Shaq having Kobe #2. The analysts also are full of it. Skip Bayless having LeBron 9th or Nick Wright putting Jordan 3rd.

Basically, you can't trust anyone or anything. People don't even believe what they say. But what is fact is that if you have Kobe #2 you're either a deranged stan, some casual who knows nothing about ball, trolling period, or influenced by some other bias. No exceptions.

I remember a ESPN poll during the last dance documentary where fans voted MJ as a better passer than LeBron. :oldlol:

[tpols]

Public polls mean absolutely jack shit. Jordan was voted the best college player of all-time and even as an ardent Jordan stan, that was ludicrous. You definitely can't even trust ex players these days so I dont want to hear about "guys who played against him said xxx". They've all got scores to settle or undue biases. Zeke calling Kareem the GOAT, Paul Pierce not having LeBron top 10, KG the same. Shaq having Kobe #2. The analysts also are full of it. Skip Bayless having LeBron 9th or Nick Wright putting Jordan 3rd.

Basically, you can't trust anyone or anything. People don't even believe what they say. But what is fact is that if you have Kobe #2 you're either a deranged stan, some casual who knows nothing about ball, trolling period, or influenced by some other bias. No exceptions.


Youre just as clueless as all those you criticize.

Kobe was a GOAT level basketball player period. Whether thats top 5 top 10 top 15 whatever is splitting hairs at the top with how many variables that are at play. Youre simply too arrogant and ignorant to realize that though.

[Nowoco]

Youre just as clueless as all those you criticize.

Kobe was a GOAT level basketball player period. Whether thats top 5 top 10 top 15 whatever is splitting hairs at the top with how many variables that are at play. Youre simply too arrogant and ignorant to realize that though.

This is exactly the kind of deranged stuff I was talking about. I didnt even say where I rank Kobe and you're already frothing at the mouth. It isn't "splitting hairs" to say someone's top 15 as opposed to top 5. It's no exact science either. If someone has Magic 4th or 7th, I'm not mad. I can see the argument either way. But when someone puts Hakeem top 5 or LeBron outside the top 10, that's when someone loses all credibility. All I said was Kobe isnt #2. Not even close. There's no argument for him being top 5. But that's not disrespect. That's the problem, you put a guy 7th and someone's offended that you dared to say only 6 guys ever are better than him. Which is crazy.

[tpols]

It's no exact science either.


Exactly.

Thats why its funny to see you type with such conviction especially as a relative nobody here like we all are.

[1987_Lakers]

1. LeBron
2. MJ
3. Kareem
4. Russell
5. Wilt
6. Shaq
7. Duncan
8. Magic
9. Bird
10. Hakeem/Curry

I think that is the current top 10. Curry & Hakeem are a coin flip at this moment. Maybe Hakeem is ahead because he had better peak play and at the moment Curry probably only has a slight edge in longevity. Jokic is coming though, already has the peak play of a top 10 player ever, just needs to longevity.

[Baller234]

Public polls mean absolutely jack shit. Jordan was voted the best college player of all-time and even as an ardent Jordan stan, that was ludicrous. You definitely can't even trust ex players these days so I dont want to hear about "guys who played against him said xxx". They've all got scores to settle or undue biases. Zeke calling Kareem the GOAT, Paul Pierce not having LeBron top 10, KG the same. Shaq having Kobe #2. The analysts also are full of it. Skip Bayless having LeBron 9th or Nick Wright putting Jordan 3rd.

Basically, you can't trust anyone or anything. People don't even believe what they say. But what is fact is that if you have Kobe #2 you're either a deranged stan, some casual who knows nothing about ball, trolling period, or influenced by some other bias. No exceptions.

Jordan is almost unanimously considered #1 and mostly everyone agrees that Kobe is the closest thing we've seen in terms of both skill and psychology. Makes perfect sense why some would put him just behind Jordan.

[Full Court]

1. LeBron
2. MJ
3. Kareem
4. Russell
5. Wilt
6. Shaq
7. Duncan
8. Magic
9. Bird
10. Hakeem/Curry

I think that is the current top 10. Curry & Hakeem are a coin flip at this moment. Maybe Hakeem is ahead because he had better peak play and at the moment Curry probably only has a slight edge in longevity. Jokic is coming though, already has the peak play of a top 10 player ever, just needs to longevity.

This is an even lower IQ take than your take on the 2020 Heat being better than the '25 Pacers. :lol

[Stephonit]

No player was better than LeBron from 2009-2018.

2019 goes to Kawhi. LeBron got injured that year. 2020 goes to LeBron.

Curry was better than LeBron in 2021, but LeBron wasn't at his best anymore. He was 36 years old by then.

Hakeem was in his late 20's when Ewing had surpassed him as a player for a bit.

Curry was the better player from 2015 to the end of LeBron's prime.

In that period there was a stretch Curry was the MVP, a champion, then a unanimous MVP. LeBron was not better during that time. After that there was the 2016 finals when Curry wasn't at his best and then the Durant years where all sorts of stories were concocted to obscure Curry's continued greatness.

We can even benchmark LeBron's performance against a fairly similar common opponent to arrive at the same conclusion. 2018 LeBron is considered by some of his supporters to be as great as he had ever been. Those fans wax lyrical of his 2018 playoffs campaign which culminated with him taking down the 2018 Celtics in the Eastern Conference Finals in 7 games before getting throttled by the Warriors in the Finals. Okay great. So what do we make of Curry taking down a more mature version of those Celtics in 6 games in the 2022 Finals? By 2022 Curry was about the same age LeBron was in 2018 and yet he ripped up a likely better version of those Celtics in the Finals in less games.

There isn't much evidence for LeBron's superiority. It's pretty much just loud opinion.

[1987_Lakers]

Says Curry was better than LeBron from 2015-2020, yet Curry didn't even win FMVP over KD in back to back years.:oldlol:

Hell, LeBron got more FMVP votes than Curry in 2015 despite losing.

I think everyone had Curry over LeBron during the 2016 season until the Finals happened. LeBron had a historic series while Curry layed an egg. 2017 & 2018 are easily LeBron. Especially in 2018 when LeBron had one of the best individual playoffs runs ever, we had not seen a player dominate the playoffs like that since peak Shaq.

Fact is LeBron outplayed Curry in every series they matched up against each other from 2015-2018

[Full Court]

Says Curry was better than LeBron from 2015-2020, yet Curry didn't even win FMVP over KD in back to back years.:oldlol:

Hell, LeBron got more FMVP votes than Curry in 2015 despite losing.

I think everyone had Curry over LeBron during the 2016 season until the Finals happened. LeBron had a historic series while Curry layed an egg. 2017 & 2018 are easily LeBron. Especially in 2018 when LeBron had one of the best individual playoffs runs ever, we had not seen a player dominate the playoffs like that since peak Shaq.

Fact is LeBron outplayed Curry in every series they matched up against each other from 2015-2018

Well, if that's how we're determining it, then I guess we have to say Dirk was better than Lebron in 2011.

And how do you come off saying that Lebron was the best in 2020 when he wasn't even the best player on his team?

Can't wait to hear this one. :lol

[1987_Lakers]

Well, if that's how we're determining it, then I guess we have to say Dirk was better than Lebron in 2011.

And how do you come off saying that Lebron was the best in 2020 when he wasn't even the best player on his team?

Can't wait to hear this one. :lol

2011 is the only year I would consider giving it to Dirk over LeBron.

The only push back would be that Dirk during the regular season arguably wasn't even top 5 level, he had better regular seasons years prior, '05-'07 was really his peak. But he did have a historic playoff run which gives him an argument.

The other years from 2009-2018 & 2020? Easily LeBron and it's not close.

[Full Court]

2011 is the only year I would consider giving it to Dirk over LeBron.

The only push back would be that Dirk during the regular season arguably wasn't even top 5 level, he had better regular seasons years prior, '05-'07 was really his peak. But he did have a historic playoff run which gives him an argument.

The other years from 2009-2018 & 2020? Easily LeBron and it's not close.

An argument can be made for 2009-2018, even though I disagree with it. You're out of your mind though if you actually think he was the best in 2020. AD carried him that year.

[1987_Lakers]

An argument can be made for 2009-2018, even though I disagree with it. You're out of your mind though if you actually think he was the best in 2020. AD carried him that year.

Is that why LeBron finished ahead of AD in MVP voting that year and won FMVP over him as well?

[Full Court]

Is that why LeBron finished ahead of AD in MVP voting that year and won FMVP over him as well?

The MVP voting was nostalgia. Just like the Olympic MVP thing. Getting some votes doesn't mean it's actually deserved.


But back to 2011, since we're going by the finals and all, not only was Dirk better in 2011, but so was Wade, and so was Jason Terry.

Can't deny it. :confusedshrug:

[1987_Lakers]

The MVP voting was nostalgia. Just like the Olympic MVP thing. Getting some votes doesn't mean it's actually deserved.


But back to 2011, since we're going by the finals and all, not only was Dirk better in 2011, but so was Wade, and so was Jason Terry.

Can't deny it. :confusedshrug:

You always change subjects when I prove your points wrong. :oldlol:

Even Skip Bayless thought LeBron should have won MVP in 2020.

[Full Court]

You always change subjects when I prove your points wrong. :oldlol:

Even Skip Bayless thought LeBron should have won MVP in 2020.

You haven't proven anything. Bringing up a fellow Bronie fluffer's opinion is not "proof". Anyone who understands basketball knows AD carried the Lakers in 2020. Did you know that without AD, Bronie couldn't even make the playoffs? Truth.

And no matter how much you try to ignore it, my point about Jason Terry remains. No other all time great has ever had even close to as epic of a choke job as Lebron's in 2011. Which is why you ranking him #1 merely shows your bias.

[1987_Lakers]

If it helps you sleep at night.

[ImKobe]

Public polls mean absolutely jack shit. Jordan was voted the best college player of all-time and even as an ardent Jordan stan, that was ludicrous. You definitely can't even trust ex players these days so I dont want to hear about "guys who played against him said xxx". They've all got scores to settle or undue biases. Zeke calling Kareem the GOAT, Paul Pierce not having LeBron top 10, KG the same. Shaq having Kobe #2. The analysts also are full of it. Skip Bayless having LeBron 9th or Nick Wright putting Jordan 3rd.

Basically, you can't trust anyone or anything. People don't even believe what they say. But what is fact is that if you have Kobe #2 you're either a deranged stan, some casual who knows nothing about ball, trolling period, or influenced by some other bias. No exceptions.

This is the issue right here. You point out that people have a bias, we all do. You don't need to get that upset about it. He won about as much as anyone else and was arguably the most entertaining player to watch ever, so by default a lot of people will have him very high on their list. There is no objective all-time list. EVERYONE has a bias. The people that post on basketball forums might know more/have consumed more NBA and thus have more data to go off, but they will be biased one way or another. For people in my generation Kobe is easily top 5 when you factor in the entertainment aspect of his game if we look at the general public.

Skip Bayless and Nick Wright's job is to bait engagement. They say things they know will get the people riled up. Skip was onto this and did it before "ragebaiting" spread across the internet and the sports' world in general. It's ok for people to have Kobe as their #2 or even their #1 if that's how they feel about it.

[Full Court]

If it helps you sleep at night.

Great counterargument. :roll: That's what we call tapping out.

:lebronamazed:

[HoopsNY]

This is exactly the kind of deranged stuff I was talking about. I didnt even say where I rank Kobe and you're already frothing at the mouth. It isn't "splitting hairs" to say someone's top 15 as opposed to top 5. It's no exact science either. If someone has Magic 4th or 7th, I'm not mad. I can see the argument either way. But when someone puts Hakeem top 5 or LeBron outside the top 10, that's when someone loses all credibility. All I said was Kobe isnt #2. Not even close. There's no argument for him being top 5. But that's not disrespect. That's the problem, you put a guy 7th and someone's offended that you dared to say only 6 guys ever are better than him. Which is crazy.

I wouldn't put Kobe 2nd all time, but I get why some might. Basketball is circumstantial. He ran the gauntlet for almost a full decade in the toughest conference arguably in league history with half of it coming in the height of the defensive era. In addition, he did it with good efficiency relative to his peers, against the best competition given his position (Wade, AI, Allen, TMac, Pierce, Vince, Rip, etc).

The game is a series of what ifs and context that almost always gets left out of the conversation but is always important to note.

Shaq is always placed higher than Hakeem but prime/peak Shaq got to play with peak Penny, Kobe, and Wade. That's context. Give Hakeem a triangle system with shooters like BJ, Paxson, Kerr, or Hodges, with a point forward in Pippen. He wins 6 rings too in that situation.

Gasol was gifted the triangle system alongside a top 10 player of all-time. If Gasol isn't traded to LA, we probably wouldn't remember him. That's context.

If Kareem doesn't play alongside two top 12-13 guards of all-time, where does he rank? Does he win a single title? KD has 2 titles, but on the strength of a superteam. How does his legacy look without that move, similarly LeBron to Miami? And how do other superstar players look if they did the same? Context almost always has to be factored in.

[HoopsNY]

Says Curry was better than LeBron from 2015-2020, yet Curry didn't even win FMVP over KD in back to back years.:oldlol:

Hell, LeBron got more FMVP votes than Curry in 2015 despite losing.

I think everyone had Curry over LeBron during the 2016 season until the Finals happened. LeBron had a historic series while Curry layed an egg. 2017 & 2018 are easily LeBron. Especially in 2018 when LeBron had one of the best individual playoffs runs ever, we had not seen a player dominate the playoffs like that since peak Shaq.

Fact is LeBron outplayed Curry in every series they matched up against each other from 2015-2018

Eh....this completely overlooks the defensive attention that Steph got during the 2017 and 2018 finals. It was one of the reasons KD was able to feast as much as he did.

This is why context matters.

[1987_Lakers]

Great counterargument. :roll: That's what we call tapping out.

:lebronamazed:

You never back up anything you say, "I'm right because I say so", that is basically you. I gave you reasons/facts for my arguments, you on the hand never do. It's the same old story.

[tpols]

Eh....this completely overlooks the defensive attention that Steph got during the 2017 and 2018 finals. It was one of the reasons KD was able to feast as much as he did.

This is why context matters.

Even with the constant double teams and KD hanging a rack on Lebron, Curry still played great. How is 27/9/8 on elite efficiency bad? While simultaneously making everyone better with his style and spacing?

OP be capping real hard.

[1987_Lakers]

Even with the constant double teams and KD hanging a rack on Lebron, Curry still played great. How is 27/9/8 on elite efficiency bad? While simultaneously making everyone better with his style and spacing?

OP be capping real hard.

The funny thing is, I remember KD kept feeding Curry in game 3 or 4 of the Finals in 2018 so he could take FMVP, but Curry kept bricking all his shots.

LeBron averaged 34|12|10 on 63 TS% vs the Warriors in 2017 then averaged 34|9|10 on 62 TS% vs the Warriors in 2018 on a bone contusion. LeBron was simply ahead of everyone during those years

[tpols]

Yea and he went 1-8 with the biggest blowout in NBA Finals history by point differential, a record that might never be broken. 2014 NBA Finals is 2nd place as well. A pattern here.

That ain't a flex. Thats an ass whooping. :lol

[1987_Lakers]

Nick Young says Curry was almost crying in 2018 when he lost FMVP to Durant.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-KM1kLmss1s

:lol

That game 3 pretty much sealed the FMVP. Durant had 43 while Curry went 3/16 shooting.

[1987_Lakers]

Yea and he went 1-8 with the biggest blowout in NBA Finals history by point differential, a record that might never be broken. 2014 NBA Finals is 2nd place as well. A pattern here.

That ain't a flex. Thats an ass whooping. :lol

Well yea, it was basically the greatest team of all time going up against LeBron and scrubs.

[Full Court]

You never back up anything you say, "I'm right because I say so", that is basically you. I gave you reasons/facts for my arguments, you on the hand never do. It's the same old story.

You've given no facts whatsoever. Just made yourself look dumb. AGAIN. :lol

You're all about your precious stats, so how come you don't bring up any when it comes to Lebron and AD in 2020? Oh, right. Because AD outscored Lebron in the regular season and outscored him in the playoffs too. All while being the defensive anchor of the team.

LeCarried.

And as for Dudley....

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[1987_Lakers]

Nice job leaving out the fact that LeBron led the league in assists that year and finished ahead of him in MVP voting. He even got FMVP over AD which is something you put more value than anything else. :lol

You know it’s bad for you when the biggest LeBron hater Skip Bayless thought LeBron should have won league MVP that season.

[Full Court]

Nice job leaving out the fact that LeBron led the league in assists that year and finished ahead of him in MVP voting. He even got FMVP over AD which is something you put more value than anything else. :lol

You know it’s bad for you when the biggest LeBron hater Skip Bayless thought LeBron should have won league MVP that season.

AD slacked off in the finals after carrying the team for the first three rounds of the playoffs. Lebron deserved FMVP more than AD, even though Butler deserved it more than both of them. But my point went completely over your head, which is hardly surprising. So let me break it down to a first grade level for you.

You're trying to imply that only the finals matter, not the totality of the season. Well, if that's the case than Lebron wasn't even top 5 in 2011. You'd even have to rank Jason Terry ahead of him. But you won't concede that, will you? Because even a dummy like yourself knows that it's just retarded to say the best player in the league is determined solely by the finals series. Of course you have to look at the whole season. But then, Lebron wasn't even close to the best player in 2020. Kawhi, AD, and Giannis, among others, were all better.

You just can't ever get the W, can you? :lol

[1987_Lakers]

LeBron outplayed AD in the Houston series as well. Try again.

If AD "slacked off" in the biggest series of his career then he loses points.

Fact is LeBron finished ahead of him in MVP voting and won FMVP. Nuff said.

Oh, and realgm also named LeBron player of the year for 2020

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FLr5mLDUq_6IzNuz7edC7PL-CXefEJyPcODz51MWnQY/edit?gid=0#gid=0

Alright, so we have tentative results:

POY: LeBron James
OPOY: LeBron James
DPOY: Anthony Davis

Tough luck fulltard.

[ImKobe]

LeBron outplayed AD in the Houston series as well. Try again.

If AD "slacked off" in the biggest series of his career then he loses points.

Fact is LeBron finished ahead of him in MVP voting and won FMVP. Nuff said.

Oh, and realgm also named LeBron player of the year for 2020

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FLr5mLDUq_6IzNuz7edC7PL-CXefEJyPcODz51MWnQY/edit?gid=0#gid=0


Tough luck fulltard.

How did Lebron outplay AD? At best they were equal in that series and that's only because AD put up a stinker in the close-out game while being the best player in 3 out of 5 games in that series, but the close-out game was a blowout where AD only took 9 shots because role players popped off and Lakers were even better with AD and with Lebron on the bench in that game. AD was the Lakers' best player through 3 series in the Playoffs and the Finals was just a formality after the injuries and Lakers stopped feeding AD so Lebron could get his FMVP.

If we're being objective Giannis was the best player in the league in 2020. MVP + DPOY and carried a mediocre roster to the best record in the league.

[Full Court]

LeBron outplayed AD in the Houston series as well. Try again.

If AD "slacked off" in the biggest series of his career then he loses points.

Fact is LeBron finished ahead of him in MVP voting and won FMVP. Nuff said.

Oh, and realgm also named LeBron player of the year for 2020

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FLr5mLDUq_6IzNuz7edC7PL-CXefEJyPcODz51MWnQY/edit?gid=0#gid=0


Tough luck fulltard.

Since you can't back anything you said up with data, like I did, then you resort to merely citing other peoples' opinions. :roll:

DESPERATION

[John8204]

Another one of these idiots who arbitrarily eliminates George Mikan from this conversation. You want a 2 way player who didn't have top 75 help and consistently won

[1987_Lakers]

How did Lebron outplay AD? At best they were equal in that series and that's only because AD put up a stinker in the close-out game while being the best player in 3 out of 5 games in that series, but the close-out game was a blowout where AD only took 9 shots because role players popped off and Lakers were even better with AD and with Lebron on the bench in that game. AD was the Lakers' best player through 3 series in the Playoffs and the Finals was just a formality after the injuries and Lakers stopped feeding AD so Lebron could get his FMVP.

If we're being objective Giannis was the best player in the league in 2020. MVP + DPOY and carried a mediocre roster to the best record in the league.

You know deep down LeBron is better, because the moment the Lakers won the title that year, you disappeared from this forum for months. You were upset.

[1987_Lakers]

Since you can't back anything you said up with data, like I did

You haven't backed up shit. You thought Wade was better than LeBron in 2008 while not realizing Wade missed like half the season that year.

:roll:

[tpols]

You've given no facts whatsoever. Just made yourself look dumb. AGAIN. :lol

You're all about your precious stats, so how come you don't bring up any when it comes to Lebron and AD in 2020? Oh, right. Because AD outscored Lebron in the regular season and outscored him in the playoffs too. All while being the defensive anchor of the team.

LeCarried.

And as for Dudley....

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Its funny how he has different criterias for each year. :lol One year scoring will matter but in others where Durant, AD, or Curry in the Olympics outscored him he shifts to assists as his primary argument. Always moving goal posts.

[Stephonit]

Says Curry was better than LeBron from 2015-2020, yet Curry didn't even win FMVP over KD in back to back years.:oldlol:

Hell, LeBron got more FMVP votes than Curry in 2015 despite losing.

I think everyone had Curry over LeBron during the 2016 season until the Finals happened. LeBron had a historic series while Curry layed an egg. 2017 & 2018 are easily LeBron. Especially in 2018 when LeBron had one of the best individual playoffs runs ever, we had not seen a player dominate the playoffs like that since peak Shaq.

Fact is LeBron outplayed Curry in every series they matched up against each other from 2015-2018

Why should we care about an award given out by eleven media pundits who were trained by their daily output to drool over LeBron? They were given multiple chances to give the award to Steph and each and every time they found a reason not to. Does it make them and the award they represent look good? Nope! It's like when the Minnesota Timberwolves had two opportunities to draft Steph but instead opted for Ricky Rubio and Jonny Flynn. At least the Timberwolves only whiffed twice. The FMVP voters whiffed three times.

2018 LeBron? See my previous comment.

You say LeBron kept outplaying Curry—but somehow kept losing. Looks like you don't understand how Curry works. Not surprising. Same people kept expecting KD to accomplish more than Curry. But they keep getting it wrong. Someone wiser would start reevaluating their mistakes and realize that if they could get Curry and KD wrong, they probably could get Curry and LeBron wrong too. But how many of those pundits who made idiots of themselves have availed themselves of the opportunity to issue a mea culpa? Instead they double down on stupidity—like we're seeing here.

[1987_Lakers]

He lost because Curry had peak KD on his side. In 2015 LeBron was without Kyrie and Love.

The only time they were on equal grounds team wise was 2016 and LeBron spanked that ass. And I haven’t even included 2021 in the play in game when LeBron hit a game winner over Curry or 2023 when an injured LeBron beat Curry in the playoffs.

LeBron owns his soul.

[ImKobe]

He lost because Curry had peak KD on his side. In 2015 LeBron was without Kyrie and Love.

The only time they were on equal grounds team wise was 2016 and LeBron spanked that ass. And I haven’t even included 2021 in the play in game when LeBron hit a game winner over Curry or 2023 when an injured LeBron beat Curry in the playoffs.

LeBron owns his soul.

2016 was equal? Steph was hurt to begin with, and Warriors were up 3 - 1 when their 2nd best player got suspended for a close-out game at home in which their starting 5 blew his knee out, and then Iguodala hurt his back as well. 2016 makes up for 2015. Warriors likely would've won both if everything had been equal with how great Steph and Iggy and Green all were in 2015.

2023 it really was AD who carried the Lakers in that series. Lebron had a great close-out game but AD was their top performer in 3 out of the 4 wins, and the close-out game is arguable.

Curry's had greater impact on the game and achieved more than Lebron from 2015-2020. Steph birthed a whole era of basketball by himself. No one's had a bigger impact on the game in the post-MJ era than him.

Lebron hasn't done shit after 2020. 2023 was a cute little story but Lebron couldn't finish games and thus settled for 3s that all fell short in 4th quarters in the POs which ultimately cost them any chance of winning a title.

Curry led a rather mediocre team to a championship, no real star teammates. Lebron's had AD and Luka and still can't win shit because he's been too washed to play defense or close games since 2021.

[ArbitraryWater]

Remember the Cavs won in 2016 even though Kyrie was hobbled in game 6.

[ShawkFactory]

Remember the Cavs won in 2016 even though Kyrie was hobbled in game 6.

Yea yea and Love wasn't healthy at all either.

This is all stupid though. These exact same conversations have been had hundreds of times over the last 10 years. Someone with one agenda forgets to use context, then the other side corrects. Then that correcting side in a different argument (or different angle of the same argument) that suits their agenda forgets to use context, then the original contextless person corrects them.

Story of ISH.

[warriorfan]

Yea yea and Love wasn't healthy at all either.

This is all stupid though. These exact same conversations have been had hundreds of times over the last 10 years. Someone with one agenda forgets to use context, then the other side corrects. Then that correcting side in a different argument (or different angle of the same argument) that suits their agenda forgets to use context, then the original contextless person corrects them.

Story of ISH.
Wanna play the 2015 and 2016 game and bogut was out due to jr smith dirty play and Steph was coming back from a major mcl injury. Iggy back was so ****ed up he could barley run up and down the court

[ShawkFactory]

Wanna play the 2015 and 2016 game and bogut was out due to jr smith dirty play and Steph was coming back from a major mcl injury. Iggy back was so ****ed up he could barley run up and down the court

No. I thought my post made that clear..

[1987_Lakers]

2016 was equal? Steph was hurt to begin with

He was so hurt that he managed to average 28|6|6|2 on 61 TS% in the series prior. Even had 36 in the closeout game 7 vs OKC.

I still remember him yelling "Im here, I'm back" after he came back from his injury.

https://i.gifer.com/origin/ec/ec3735598d3b0c1fa696103a0cd7831e_w200.gif

[Full Court]

Its funny how he has different criterias for each year. :lol One year scoring will matter but in others where Durant, AD, or Curry in the Olympics outscored him he shifts to assists as his primary argument. Always moving goal posts.

:roll: Exactly.

1987_Ragdolled

:roll:

Dudley must think Iggy was the best player in the NBA in 2015, "B-b-b-b-b-because he was the FMVP!!!"

[1987_Lakers]

:roll: Exactly.

1987_Ragdolled

:roll:

Dudley must think Iggy was the best player in the NBA in 2015, "B-b-b-b-b-because he was the FMVP!!!"

The only reason why I really brought up FMVP is to mock you.

You have said in the past that you value FMVP more than any other award, including regular season MVP.

:oldlol:

[1987_Lakers]

I don't know who the "most fans" that you reference are, but probably Bronie fluffers that you hang out with. Wade was better 2008 and 2009 - both of which were Lebron's prime years.

There you have it guys. According to this guy, 2008 Wade who missed over 30 games and averaged 25|4|7 on 55 TS% was better than 2008 LeBron who pretty much played the entire season and averaged 30|8|7 on 57 TS%.

[Axe]

There you have it guys. According to this guy, 2008 Wade who missed over 30 games and averaged 25|4|7 on 55 TS% was better than 2008 LeBron who pretty much played the entire season and averaged 30|8|7 on 57 TS%.
How many games have the heat won during that year? It must be also pretty high, i assume.

https://i.ibb.co/JmpGnKz/IMG-20230528-095117.jpg

[Full Court]

How many games have the heat won during that year? It must be also pretty high, i assume.

https://i.ibb.co/JmpGnKz/IMG-20230528-095117.jpg

BITCH FIT


:roll: Stinky idiot with yet another low IQ post. Not surprising since he already has tens of thousands of them. :confusedshrug:


Bet he's stamping his merman tail as we speak.

:lebronamazed:

[Nowoco]

The biggest myth about the 2016 Finals is that is was a great series. It was 6 blowouts and then a brickfest last 4 minutes of game 7.

[Axe]

The only reason why I really brought up FMVP is to mock you.

You have said in the past that you value FMVP more than any other award, including regular season MVP.

:oldlol:


There you have it guys. According to this guy, 2008 Wade who missed over 30 games and averaged 25|4|7 on 55 TS% was better than 2008 LeBron who pretty much played the entire season and averaged 30|8|7 on 57 TS%.
https://c.tenor.com/ddWMg5MomsEAAAAC/tenor.gif (https://i.ibb.co/LJtPyW7/IMG-20221213-081813.jpg)

[1987_Lakers]

The biggest myth about the 2016 Finals is that is was a great series. It was 6 blowouts and then a brickfest last 4 minutes of game 7.

I agree, but in terms of iconic it is up there with 1984 & 1998.

[Full Court]

The biggest myth about the 2016 Finals is that is was a great series. It was 6 blowouts and then a brickfest last 4 minutes of game 7.

It was Lebron's best finals series, but highly overrated.

[ImKobe]

He was so hurt that he managed to average 28|6|6|2 on 61 TS% in the series prior. Even had 36 in the closeout game 7 vs OKC.

I still remember him yelling "Im here, I'm back" after he came back from his injury.

https://i.gifer.com/origin/ec/ec3735598d3b0c1fa696103a0cd7831e_w200.gif

He sprained his MCL and missed like 4 weeks in the middle of the POs, and those numbers you listed were well below his average for that year.

[ArbitraryWater]

Yea yea and Love wasn't healthy at all either.

This is all stupid though. These exact same conversations have been had hundreds of times over the last 10 years. Someone with one agenda forgets to use context, then the other side corrects. Then that correcting side in a different argument (or different angle of the same argument) that suits their agenda forgets to use context, then the original contextless person corrects them.

Story of ISH.


Im mainly saying that in retort to clown wanting to bring up Iggys injury :lol

And of course Curry came back and dropped 40 on the Blazers and had 3 straight 30 pt games to close out OKC iirc.

[1987_Lakers]

He sprained his MCL and missed like 4 weeks in the middle of the POs, and those numbers you listed were well below his average for that year.

He sprained his MCL in the first round of playoffs, a grade 1 sprain to add, which is the mildest MCL sprain to have and usually takes two weeks to heal. He came back two weeks later, not 4 like you said.

He came back and put on a clinic vs the Blazers & Thunder, had 40 points in his very first game back, but because he got clamped by Cleveland the "injury" excuse is used.

Pathetic.

[ImKobe]

He sprained his MCL in the first round of playoffs, a grade 1 sprain to add, which is the mildest MCL sprain to have and usually takes two weeks to heal. He came back two weeks later, not 4 like you said.

He came back and put on a clinic vs the Blazers & Thunder, had 40 points in his very first game back, but because he got clamped by Cleveland the "injury" excuse is used.

Pathetic.

My bad, he injured his ankle in Game 1 and once he healed enough to come back he injured his knee, still missed over 3 weeks of basketball in that timeframe, and it's not like the Cavs figured him out or anything, he struggled for the first 3 games of that series and couldn't get by Kevin Love or Kyrie Irving in Game 7.

[1987_Lakers]

My bad, he injured his ankle in Game 1 and once he healed enough to come back he injured his knee, still missed over 3 weeks of basketball in that timeframe, and it's not like the Cavs figured him out or anything, he struggled for the first 3 games of that series and couldn't get by Kevin Love or Kyrie Irving in Game 7.

He choked, much like Kobe.

[ImKobe]

He choked, much like Kobe.

So did he also choke when they won their first 2 games in that series? Did he choke in the OKC series as well when they fell down 1 - 3 because he played like ass?

You're telling me just forgot how to move with the ball in Game 7 because the lights were too bright? He saw Kevin Love in front of him in isolation and just was too scared to move his feet?

[1987_Lakers]

He saw Kevin Love in front of him in isolation and just was too scared to move his feet?

Yes. LeBron was in the back of his mind.

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https://media.tenor.com/-u_Mb2dlXkoAAAAe/lebron-james.png

[ShawkFactory]

Im mainly saying that in retort to clown wanting to bring up Iggys injury :lol

And of course Curry came back and dropped 40 on the Blazers and had 3 straight 30 pt games to close out OKC iirc.

He came back and played almost a month of basketball before the finals. Averaged 29/7/6 in 9 games against Portland and OKC :lol

He was fine enough.

Almost everyone is banged up to a degree in June. If we were to go year-by-year and analyze every conference finals and finals to determine who was out or who wasn't 100%? We'd have stuff to talk about literally every year. And I mean literally.

It's part of the game. If a guy is playing and not very noticeably hobbled (in which case they probably wouldn't be playing) then it's not worth talking about. Everyone can play that game if they want to but it's pointless.

[1987_Lakers]

He came back and played almost a month of basketball before the finals. Averaged 29/7/6 in 9 games against Portland and OKC :lol

He was fine enough.

Almost everyone is banged up to a degree in June. If we were to go year-by-year and analyze every conference finals and finals to determine who was out or who wasn't 100%? We'd have stuff to talk about literally every year. And I mean literally.

It's part of the game. If a guy is playing and not very noticeably hobbled (in which case they probably wouldn't be playing) then it's not worth talking about. Everyone can play that game if they want to but it's pointless.

The '89 Pistons would have a huge asterisk by fans today.

Bird got injured in the beginning of the year so that took the Celtics out of contention, then Detroit played the Lakers in the Finals who were without Byron Scott, and Magic injured his hamstring in game 2 during the 3rd quarter. Pistons took the lead in the 4th and won the game. It was series over by that point.

[Full Court]

The only reason why I really brought up FMVP is to mock you.

You have said in the past that you value FMVP more than any other award, including regular season MVP.

:oldlol:

This just shows your ignorance and inability to follow coherent logic.

FMVP is the pinnacle accomplishment in basketball. Is seems you have trouble comprehending the difference between accomplishments and being the best player. Only an idiot would say winning FMVP in a given year means that the winner was the best player in the NBA. And yet that's your only case for Lebron being the best player in 2020 - which is a completely idiotic take when he clearly wasn't even the best player on his own team.

1987_Ragdolled

:lol

[Axe]

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This foaming braindead retard really thought that KAT was still playing for the wolves the last time they beat the lakers in the previous playoffs lolol. So dumb and stupid.

Inb4 all the deflections, double downing and gay trolling.

[Full Court]

This foaming braindead retard really thought that KAT was still playing for the wolves the last time they beat the lakers in the previous playoffs lolol. So dumb and stupid.

Inb4 all the deflections, double downing and gay trolling.


^Stinky turd throwing a bitch fit. :lol




Just like Lebron

Is the GOAT of turnovers

Axe is the GOAT

Of stinky odors




:lol So true.

[warriorfan]

He came back and played almost a month of basketball before the finals. Averaged 29/7/6 in 9 games against Portland and OKC :lol

He was fine enough.

Almost everyone is banged up to a degree in June. If we were to go year-by-year and analyze every conference finals and finals to determine who was out or who wasn't 100%? We'd have stuff to talk about literally every year. And I mean literally.

It's part of the game. If a guy is playing and not very noticeably hobbled (in which case they probably wouldn't be playing) then it's not worth talking about. Everyone can play that game if they want to but it's pointless.

Fine enough? Part of the game? lol. This is cringe take.

[ShawkFactory]

Fine enough? Part of the game? lol. This is cringe take.

Yea. Fine enough.

As in he averaged 29/7/6 in almost a month's worth of basketball before the finals. He was not "coming off of a major MCL injury" :lol

That take is cringe...

[warriorfan]

Yea. Fine enough.

As in he averaged 29/7/6 in almost a month's worth of basketball before the finals. He was not "coming off of a major MCL injury" :lol

That take is cringe...

So you never heard of aggravating an injury that hasn’t had proper chance to heal?

Cool. lol.