Another illegal causes semi-truck crash killing 3 arrested for DUI

[Hey Yo]

A semi-truck driver who was arrested for driving under the influence following a deadly crash on the 10 Freeway in Ontario on Tuesday is in the United States illegally, according to officials with the Department of Homeland Security.

They told CBS News that 21-year-old Jashanpreet Singh is an Indian national who entered the country by crossing the U.S.-Mexico border in 2022. He is a resident of Yuba City, California, which is located in Sutter County, about 120 miles northeast of San Francisco

Singh was arrested on Tuesday by California Highway Patrol officers in connection with an eight-vehicle collision that included four commercial vehicles. The crash left three people dead and four others hospitalized in varying conditions. All of the victims were adults, Ontario Fire Department crews said.

Singh remains detained on Wednesday night at the West Valley Detention Center in San Bernardino without bail. He has been charged with driving under the influence of drugs causing bodily injury and gross vehicular manslaughter while intoxicated.

"As we have seen with recent deadly accidents, foreign truckers can pose risks to American lives, U.S. national security, and foreign policy interests," the State Department spokesperson said. "Ensuring that every driver on our roads meets the highest standards is important to protecting the livelihoods of American truckers and maintaining a secure, resilient supply chain."

https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/10-freeway-deadly-crash-ontario-semi-truck-jashanpreet-singh/

[Patrick Chewing]

In before vile subhuman Democrats on this board say it's not an illegal immigrant problem. As if this accident would have still happened if this person wasn't here to begin with. :facepalm

[Hey Yo]

In before vile subhuman Democrats on this board say it's not an illegal immigrant problem. As if this accident would have still happened if this person wasn't here to begin with. :facepalm

Real Men Loves Illegals already set-up a go fund me page to raise money for dude's attorney.

[Bill Gates]

Shame, this all would have been prevented if he had just obtained his papers. This is Trump's fault, he said he was going to kick out everyone that didn't have papers but he missed this Indian man. The families need to take Trump to court over this.

[Baller234]

Shame, this all would have been prevented if he had just obtained his papers. This is Trump's fault, he said he was going to kick out everyone that didn't have papers but he missed this Indian man. The families need to take Trump to court over this.

^ Bill Gates trying to deflect from the failure of his party's policies and fooling no one.

What do you know, turns out importing millions of illegal immigrants who don't understand english is a terrible idea. Who would have thought.

I'm glad to see Bill Gates can find humor in the situation though. It's funny when people die.

[warriorfan]

^ Bill Gates trying to deflect from the failure of his party's policies and fooling no one.

What do you know, turns out importing millions of illegal immigrants who don't understand english is a terrible idea. Who would have thought.

I'm glad to see Bill Gates can find humor in the situation though. It's funny when people die.

Bull Gates has been so low energy he’s on his way out. Lmao he’s done.

[Hey Yo]

As of June 1, 2025, California's DMV had issued approximately 62,000 unexpired Commercial Driver's Licenses (CDLs) or Commercial Learner's Permits (CLPs) to individuals who were not US citizens or permanent residents. This action drew criticism from the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT), which stated that many of these licenses were improperly issued, leading the DOT to issue a new enforcement letter requiring California to stop issuing these licenses to non-citizens and non-permanent residents, and to take action to identify and void or rescind all unexpired, non-compliant licenses.

California law states people aren't asked if they're citizens of the country when applying for a CDL. Newsome says he doesn't see a problem with the above.

[Bill Gates]

^ Bill Gates trying to deflect from the failure of his party's policies and fooling no one.

What do you know, turns out importing millions of illegal immigrants who don't understand english is a terrible idea. Who would have thought.

I'm glad to see Bill Gates can find humor in the situation though. It's funny when people die.

It is the part where he is drunk that killed people. Not the part where he didn't get legal papers, or the part where he didn't speak English. I am betting he does speak English.

The part none of you understand is that rates are all that matters. If illegals are 5% of the country, in all likelyhood they will be involved in 5% or deadly auto wrecks, 5% of murders, etc. But also be 5% of the victims as well. Meaning your odds of dying from these things do not change if they dissappear.

[Baller234]

It is the part where he is drunk that killed people. Not the part where he didn't get legal papers, or the part where he didn't speak English. I am betting he does speak English.

The part none of you understand is that rates are all that matters. If illegals are 5% of the country, in all likelyhood they will be involved in 5% or deadly auto wrecks, 5% of murders, etc. But also be 5% of the victims as well. Meaning your odds of dying from them do not change if they dissappear.

Even if we operated under that logic, how is that a point for your side? You're telling me you're in favor of a 5% bump in murders and car wrecks? That's like an extra 1k murders and another 300k car accidents. For what purpose? What's the trade off? Cheap labor for employers?

What is the net benefit of illegal immigration? What does the country gain from importing 20-40 million new "residents" who now add extra burden to our public services and resources?

[Bill Gates]

Even if we operated under that logic, how is that a point for your side? You're telling me you're in favor of a 5% bump in murders and car wrecks? That's like an extra 1k murders and another 300k car accidents. For what purpose? What's the trade off? Cheap labor for employers?

What is the net benefit of illegal immigration? What does the country gain from importing 20-40 million new "residents" who now add extra burden to our public services and resources?

It isn't a 5% unless you can prove they wreck more than the general pop. Again, part of the problem is you simply do not understand rates and simple math.

Illegals benefit us because they do the hard labor that legal citizens do not want to do. Trump has already had to pause ICE raids on aggriculture businesses and farms, and meat packing plants, etc because of it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IhPPUrjohk

[Bill Gates]

The vast majority of illegals just want to escape the real bad guys and come here and do all of our slave labor for pennies. We can give them that and it helps both sides. But Trumpers do not want that because they are so terrified of anyone that isn't white.

They aren't going to hurt you.

The small percentage of them that are drug dealing baddies are mostly just killing other drug dealing baddies.

[Hey Yo]

LOL at driving a big rig is considered slave labor.


Really dumb.

[Norcaliblunt]

You really think the government can ban and control human migration? So why can’t they do the same thing with alcohol consumption?

I mean if alcohol was “illegal” this would have never happened right?

Lmao. This is a perfect example of government not being able to control anything on any level.

Shit happens.

[Norcaliblunt]

It isn't a 5% unless you can prove they wreck more than the general pop. Again, part of the problem is you simply do not understand rates and simple math.

Illegals benefit us because they do the hard labor that legal citizens do not want to do. Trump has already had to pause ICE raids on aggriculture businesses and farms, and meat packing plants, etc because of it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IhPPUrjohk

So why doesn’t your party write up an amnesty plan and give mass citizenship to every illegal?

Why is it always just “business as usual” with Democrats. Why do they want to keep everyone “illegal” working shit jobs. Why not open boarders and instant citizenship?

[Bill Gates]

So why doesn’t your party write up an amnesty plan and give mass citizenship to every illegal?

Why is it always just “business as usual” with Democrats. Why do they want to keep everyone “illegal” working shit jobs. Why not open boarders and instant citizenship?
They basically did that. Currently it is the GOP owns all of Congress and the Supreme Court so your questions are better served directed at them.

[Norcaliblunt]

They basically did that. Currently it is the GOP owns all of Congress and the Supreme Court so your questions are better served directed at them.

Maybe I missed the headline and you can point me toward the link, but when has Democratic leadership ever presented a bill or ran on the platform of giving complete amnesty to every single undocumented immigrant?

Where is the “turn yourself in and get your papers immediately” campaign slogan?

[Bill Gates]

Maybe I missed the headline and you can point me toward the link, but when has Democratic leadership ever presented a bill or ran on the platform of giving complete amnesty to every single undocumented immigrant?

Where is the “turn yourself in and get your papers immediately” campaign slogan?

It was treated that way without the bill, thus Trump enforcing the law that was already there.

[highwhey]

why the HELL are all of these ILLEGALS crashing under the trump presidency? WTF HE SAID HE WOULD GET RID OF THE BAD HOMBRES :mad:

[Norcaliblunt]

It was treated that way without the bill, thus Trump enforcing the law that was already there.

Bruh just be real, the Democrats are wuss and never run on open boarders, amnesty, or any real progressive change to the system.

It’s always the same old same.

“WE NEED UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS TO DO THE SHIT JOBS”!!!!!!!!!

Lmao.

[Baller234]

The vast majority of illegals just want to escape the real bad guys and come here and do all of our slave labor for pennies. We can give them that and it helps both sides. But Trumpers do not want that because they are so terrified of anyone that isn't white.

They aren't going to hurt you.

The small percentage of them that are drug dealing baddies are mostly just killing other drug dealing baddies.

Holy shit he said the quiet part out loud.

The nerve of you to accuse Trumpers of being racist when you literally just said that illegal brown people are only good for slave labor.

Lefties really are something. First they accuse Trumpers of being evil nazis who hate jews too much, only to turn around and accuse them of being zionists who LOVE jews too much. First they accuse you of being an evil racist that wants to see brown people as slaves, then they ADVOCATE for brown people so they can be used as slaves.

:oldlol:

[Bill Gates]

Bruh just be real, the Democrats are wuss and never run on open boarders, amnesty, or any real progressive change to the system.

It’s always the same old same.

“WE NEED UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS TO DO THE SHIT JOBS”!!!!!!!!!

Lmao.

The truth is that we do need desperate immigrants to do our crap work. People like you aren't going to do it for us.

The documention part was mostly meaningless, until now with Trump.

[Bill Gates]

Holy shit he said the quiet part out loud.

The nerve of you to accuse Trumpers of being racist when you literally just said that illegal brown people are only good for slave labor.

Lefties really are something. First they accuse Trumpers of being evil nazis who hate jews too much, only to turn around and accuse them of being zionists who LOVE jews too much. First they accuse you of being an evil racist that wants to see brown people as slaves, then they ADVOCATE for brown people so they can be used as slaves.

:oldlol:

You asked how they benifit us, I answered.

I never said they were only good for slave labor, that is a strawman which is something you seem to do a lot of in your posts.

[Bill Gates]

It is also only slave labor to us because we are a spoiled country. To them it isn't, they desperately want that work. Again it is a situation that benifits both sides. Ruined by irrational fears.

[Baller234]

You asked how they benifit us, I answered.

I never said they were only good for slave labor, that is a strawman which is something you seem to do a lot of in your posts.

Okay, what else are illegal immigrants good for?

Give us your list.

[Bill Gates]

Okay, what else are illegal immigrants good for?

Give us your list.

All of the exact same things that legal humans are good for. I am not going to sit here and make a full list of what humans are good for :oldlol:

[Bill Gates]

The better question is why do you believe someone's legal status can dictate their worth as a human?

[Baller234]

All of the exact same things that legal humans are good for. I am not going to sit here and make a full list of what humans are good for :oldlol:

So America's biggest problem is that it doesn't have enough "humans"? That's why we need illegal immigrants? Because more humans means more prosperity?

What kind of autistic suggestion is that? :oldlol:

Okay so if more humans means more prosperity, why doesn't every country follow that model? Why do countries even have borders to begin with? Why doesn't every country just shout "HEY WE'RE OPEN FOR BUSINESS EVERYONE COME RIGHT IN!! ALL HUMANS WELCOME!!"

[Baller234]

The better question is why do you believe someone's legal status can dictate their worth as a human?

It doesn't dictate their worth as a human, it dictates their worth as a citizen. You aren't entitled to citizenship just because you're a human.

But by all means keep asking questions that make you look like a total fukking retard. :oldlol:

[Bill Gates]

So America's biggest problem is that it doesn't have enough "humans"? That's why we need illegal immigrants? Because more humans means more prosperity?

What kind of autistic suggestion is that? :oldlol:

Okay so if more humans means more prosperity, why doesn't every country follow that model? Why do countries even have borders to begin with? Why doesn't every country just shout "HEY WE'RE OPEN FOR BUSINESS EVERYONE COME RIGHT IN!! ALL HUMANS WELCOME!!"

"America's biggest problem"? :oldlol:

You just naturally strawman huh?

Finding a population to do cheap blue collar work is "A PROBLEM" and yeah a big one for countries with a declining population

[Norcaliblunt]

The truth is that we do need desperate immigrants to do our crap work. People like you aren't going to do it for us.

The documention part was mostly meaningless, until now with Trump.


Dude if you want to go the hardcore libertarian anarchist route saying citizenship is wack, oppressive, or ultimately pointless? Ok. Yeah we should end this state sanctioned non sense for everyone I agree. It does not matter.

But what you are really saying is that there always has to be a lower class to exploit. Like it is fundamental for the function of society to exploit kids, people without state accredited credentials, and immigrants.

Honest question? Do you literally wanna deny people US citizenship so there is a permanent immigrant peasant class? A fake border, with fake patrol, but a wild maze of a bureaucratic plus law enforcement bullshit? Make it make sense.

[Bill Gates]

It doesn't dictate their worth as a human, it dictates their worth as a citizen. You aren't entitled to citizenship just because you're a human.

But by all means keep asking questions that make you look like a total fukking retard. :oldlol:

WOW, I can't believe you just said that brown people are worthless and have no right to life!!! :oldlol:

You said that "out loud" in here. Typing. Somehow.

[Baller234]

"America's biggest problem"? :oldlol:

You just naturally strawman huh?

Finding a population to do cheap blue collar work is "A PROBLEM"

How is it a strawman? I asked you why we need illegal immigration and you said it's because we need the cheap labor. Then I asked you okay what else are they good for and you said "the same things other humans are good for".

So your argument boils down to "We need illegal immigrants because we need more humans..."

Which is something so retarded that only an autistic sped would suggest. :oldlol:

[Baller234]

WOW, I can't believe you just said that brown people are worthless and have no right to life!!! :oldlol:

You said that "out loud" in here. Typing. Somehow.

Who said they don't have a right to life? Are you telling me if we don't let them in they will die?

[Bill Gates]

Dude if you want to go the hardcore libertarian anarchist route saying citizenship is wack, oppressive, or ultimately pointless? Ok. Yeah we should end this state sanctioned non sense for everyone I agree. It does not matter.

But what you are really saying is that there always has to be a lower class to exploit. Like it is fundamental for the function of society to exploit kids, people without state accredited credentials, and immigrants.

Honest question? Do you literally wanna deny people US citizenship so there is a permanent immigrant peasant class? A fake border, with fake patrol, but a wild maze of a bureaucratic plus law enforcement bullshit? Make it make sense.
It is impossible for it to be any other way. If every last citizen was well off, wealthy, etc? There would be no one to do the hard stuff and it would result in everyone suffereing. Nothing would get built, crops would be left to die, etc.


One day it will be like that, when robots can do all the hard stuff, and every human can just sit at their computer all day. But that is decades off unfortunately.

[Bill Gates]

Who said they don't have a right to life? Are you telling me if we don't let them in they will die?

You said "out loud" that all brown people are worthless and good for nothing at all. That is why you asked me to list things they are good for. Because to you brown people are good for nothing and you wish them all death.

See how easy it is strawman? This is what you do basically every post.

[Baller234]

You said "out loud" that all brown people are worthless and good for nothing at all. That is why you asked me to list things they are good for. Because to you brown people are good for nothing and you wish them all death.

I didn't say that at all but I could understand why you would rather pretend I did.

It's so you don't have to answer for the fact that you think brown people are only good for slave labor.

[Hey Yo]

Gates donates to the Human Fund.

[warriorfan]

Ish’s bill gates I picture as the whale from that movie with the obese gay guy.

[Patrick Chewing]

It is the part where he is drunk that killed people. Not the part where he didn't get legal papers, or the part where he didn't speak English. I am betting he does speak English.

The part none of you understand is that rates are all that matters. If illegals are 5% of the country, in all likelyhood they will be involved in 5% or deadly auto wrecks, 5% of murders, etc. But also be 5% of the victims as well. Meaning your odds of dying from these things do not change if they dissappear.

What part of that rotten and infested monkey brain of yours doesn't understand that if he wasn't here in the first place, then this would have never happened?? Why do you refuse to understand this? How stupid are you?

[Baller234]

Bill Gates:

"We need illegal immigrants because they provide us cheap labor!..."

Me:

"Okay, why else should we import millions of illegals? What else do they bring to the table other than cheap labor?

Bill Gates:

"Uhh, uhh.. they bring the same qualities as every other human!..."

:oldlol:


Ok so by that logic if they couldn't supply the cheap labor, would you still think it's a great idea to let them in? We should just import millions of random people from all over the world with zero screening and zero regard for their identity? And this is supposed to be a net benefit for the country somehow?

Bill, are you autistic?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ynhz0PnnFrI

[Norcaliblunt]

It is impossible for it to be any other way. If every last citizen was well off, wealthy, etc? There would be no one to do the hard stuff and it would result in everyone suffereing. Nothing would get built, crops would be left to die, etc.


One day it will be like that, when robots can do all the hard stuff, and every human can just sit at their computer all day. But that is decades off unfortunately.

So why not get rid of public school, save all that money, and have kids do all the work?

I mean kids can be maids, pick fruit, wash dishes, work fast food, do day labor, work assembly lines, etc.

If we can get kids to go to school and the public funds it. It shouldn’t be that hard to get kids to go to work when the public doesn’t have to pay shit.

So why shouldn't American kids do all these jobs?

[Bill Gates]

So why not get rid of public school, save all that money, and have kids do all the work?

I mean kids can be maids, pick fruit, wash dishes, work fast food, do day labor, work assembly lines, etc.

If we can get kids to go to school and the public funds it. It shouldn’t be that hard to get kids to go to work when the public doesn’t have to pay shit.

So why shouldn't American kids do all these jobs?

You would rather American children do hard labor than adult immigrants seeking a better life?

Children are not even capable of building roads, constructing buildings, etc.

[Norcaliblunt]

You would rather American children do hard labor than adult immigrants seeking a better life?

Children are not even capable of building roads, constructing buildings, etc.

So you want random undocumented foreigners with no experience, building roads and constructing buildings? For slave wages too. Lmao.

I don’t want kids or immigrant slaves building roads or buildings. I would rather have highly trained and qualified individuals working with the frickin union getting paid.

You literally want scab immigrants to undermine unions and all workers it sounds like.

I want immigrants to become citizens right away and get paid.


https://youtu.be/PKtdSxgTn6I

[Bill Gates]

So you want random undocumented foreigners with no experience, building roads and constructing buildings? For slave wages too. Lmao.

I don’t want kids or immigrant slaves building roads or buildings. I would rather have highly trained and qualified individuals working with the frickin union getting paid.

You literally want scab immigrants to undermine unions and all workers it sounds like.

I want immigrants to become citizens right away and get paid.



They want that. That is what they are migrating here for. So that they can do that.

We have two groups of people, us and them, who both want the same thing. And then we have you, saying "NO" you can't do that.

[Baller234]

They want that. That is what they are migrating here for. So that they can do that.

We have two groups of people, us and them, who both want the same thing. And then we have you, saying "NO" you can't do that.

So if they couldn't provide the labor, would you still want to let them in?

[Bill Gates]

So if they couldn't provide the labor, would you still want to let them in?
More complex, a mother with children? yes. But legal or illegal, if you are not working you are likely a bum causing negative impact on society as a whole. Ideally they provide a service, and the vast majority come here to do that so it is a hypothetical debate not worth having.

[Baller234]

More complex, a mother with children? yes. But legal or illegal, if you are not working you are likely a bum causing negative impact on society as a whole. Ideally they provide a service, and the vast majority come here to do that so it is a hypothetical debate not worth having.

Oh so now you think it's a good idea to screen who's coming in? You mean we should follow certain guidelines and make sure that everyone who enters the country plans on being a hardworking law abiding guest? You mean just rolling out the red carpet and turning a blind eye is a bad idea?

Wow, you don't say.

:oldlol:

[Bill Gates]

Baller, what do you think that Jesus would say if he were a US citizen today?

"no you can't walk onto this land that my ancestors stole?

[Bill Gates]

Oh so now you think it's a good idea to screen who's coming in? You mean we should follow certain guidelines and make sure that everyone who enters the country plans on being a hardworking law abiding guest? You mean just rolling out the red carpet and turning a blind eye is a bad idea?

Wow, you don't say.

:oldlol:

I never said any of those things :oldlol:

Super Strawman

[Baller234]

I never said any of those things :oldlol:

Super Strawman

That was the MO of the previous administration though. That you supported and defended.

[Baller234]

Baller, what do you think that Jesus would say if he were a US citizen today?

"no you can't walk onto this land that my ancestors stole?

If people were fleeing from somewhere I think he would want to see why they are fleeing and address THAT problem.

[Bill Gates]

That was the MO of the previous administration though. That you supported and defended.

That admin > This one

[Bill Gates]

If people were fleeing from somewhere I think he would want to see why they are fleeing and address THAT problem.

You think that is what Jesus would say? Turn around and deal with your country?

[Baller234]

That admin > This one

Okay so if that's how you feel then that means you have to admit to supporting their retarded immigration policy. :oldlol:

You can't have it both ways dipshit. You WERE in favor of the red carpet policy.

[Baller234]

You think that is what Jesus would say? Turn around and deal with your country?

I think he would probably visit that country first.

[Bill Gates]

I think he would probably visit that country first.

:facepalm

Jesus welcomed all, that was like, his thing, ya know? :oldlol:

[Baller234]

:facepalm

Jesus welcomed all, that was like, his thing, ya know? :oldlol:

We are welcoming. America takes in more immigrants and more refugees than any other country in the world.

[Bill Gates]

We are welcoming. America takes in more immigrants and more refugees than any other country in the world.

Not per capita. And now with Trump probably not even total overall intake.

[Bill Gates]

Eventually the US will have no choice but to open borders due to population decline.

https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/exi5T/full.png



The country simply can not function with just old people. Morals aside, someone has to do the slave labor parts, and who better to do that the ones that WANT to do that.

[warriorfan]

Eventually the US will have no choice but to open borders due to population decline.

https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/exi5T/full.png



The country simply can not function with just old people. Morals aside, someone has to do the slave labor parts, and who better to do that the ones that WANT to do that.

Give tax credits to counteract student debt. If you go to school and rack up big debt we will have government subsidize your loan if you have children. We need to focus on how to make it realistic and viable for young people to have families rather than just door dashing a million Indians to come into our country. Strive towards setting up an economy where slave labor isn’t needed. Regulate housing costs and make it so kids can work at lower wage non prestigious jobs but still be able to have kids in a healthy environment. Importing tons of 3rd worlders is a band aid fix for a gaping wound that needs stitches. We need to stop slapping on band aids and address bigger issues at hand and move forward to fix them.

[Bill Gates]

Give tax credits to counteract student debt. If you go to school and rack up big debt we will have government subsidize your loan if you have children. We need to focus on how to make it realistic and viable for young people to have families rather than just door dashing a million Indians to come into our country. Strive towards setting up an economy where slave labor isn’t needed. Regulate housing costs and make it so kids can work at lower wage non prestigious jobs but still be able to have kids in a healthy environment. Importing tons of 3rd worlders is a band aid fix for a gaping wound that needs stitches. We need to stop slapping on band aids and address bigger issues at hand and move forward to fix them.
Tax breaks would help, but I think it will reach a point where the Gov is going to have to straight up pay women to inseminate.

And money is one facet of the issue, it runs much deeper than that. It is an issue that every first-world country is currently facing.

Modern times have caused a shift in priorities. Many would simply rather do other things with thier lives than raise children.

Is money the reason you choose to never have kids? Or is that due to you being sterile?

[warriorfan]

Tax breaks would help, but I think it will reach a point where the Gov is going to have to straight up pay women to inseminate.

And money is one facet of the issue, it runs much deeper than that. It is an issue that every first-world country is currently facing.

Modern times have caused a shift in priorities. Many would simply rather do other things with thier lives than raise children.

Is money the reason you choose to never have kids? Or is that due to you being sterile?

Most people would have a big large family of it was more economically feasible. Most people want large healthy families not wierd cycle of relationships off dating apps. The reason that has become the norm is because it’s unrealistic to be able to sustain a real family. If you bring that back than most people will end up having large healthy families thus not needing the band aid fix of importing millions of apu’s

[Bill Gates]

Most people would have a big large family of it was more economically feasible. Most people want large healthy families not wierd cycle of relationships off dating apps. The reason that has become the norm is because it’s unrealistic to be able to sustain a real family. If you bring that back than most people will end up having large healthy families thus not needing the band aid fix of importing millions of apu’s
It is much deeper than that, otherwise this would be flipped:

https://familyinequality.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/image-8.png

It is the wealthy countries that have the least amount of children. Because there is more to it than money.

[warriorfan]

It is much deeper than that, otherwise this would be flipped:

https://familyinequality.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/image-8.png

It is the wealthy countries that have the least amount of children. Because there is more to it than money.

Yeah so let’s incentivize and figure out ways to fix that rather than door dashing millions of Indians

[Norcaliblunt]

They want that. That is what they are migrating here for. So that they can do that.

We have two groups of people, us and them, who both want the same thing. And then we have you, saying "NO" you can't do that.

What??

Why won’t you give amnesty to every person crossing the boarder?

Give me a reason why every person crossing the boarder can’t be a citizen?

Please explain?

[diamenz]

What??

Why won’t you give amnesty to every person crossing the boarder?

Give me a reason why every person crossing the boarder can’t be a citizen?

Please explain?

boarder? really dude?

...and twice?

[Baller234]

Bill Gates is a dishonest actor. He doesn't really have any principled belief when it comes to illegal immigration. He believes his life will be mostly unaffected no matter what happens, and it's not like he values what it means to be an american citizen or the responsibility it entails.

We saw what he really stood for during the Brandon years. He was defending the red carpet policy. Any republican who dared to point out that there was a problem was deemed a xenophobe. "Illegal immigration problem?? What illegal immigration problem??"

But it gets worse because not only were we rolling out the red carpet for them, we were also sponsoring them. Free living arrangements, free hotels, free food, free groceries, etc. All on the taxpayer's dime.

100 bonus points for anyone who could find a post from Bill Gates calling this out or condemning it in real time.

[Bill Gates]

What??

Why won’t you give amnesty to every person crossing the boarder?

Give me a reason why every person crossing the boarder can’t be a citizen?

Please explain?
I am fine with amnesty, they should have it. I was simply pointing out that what was happening during Biden's time was basically no different than that. They more or less were treated as legals.

And then you went on a weird nonsensical rant about using children to pave our roads instead of them.




Although probably better than -

Q: "name one thing that illegals are good for?"
A: "doing our hard labor"
Q: "they are only good for our slave labor!?"
A: "no"

:oldlol:

[highwhey]

not a single thread about the american trucker that just killed a family of 8


interesting

[warriorfan]

not a single thread about the american trucker that just killed a family of 8


interesting

Hopefully we can deport him too.

[tpols]

You would rather American children do hard labor than adult immigrants seeking a better life?

Children are not even capable of building roads, constructing buildings, etc.

Indians and Arabs aren't like Mexicans bro. Not saying anybody is better or worse but Mexicans have a stronger blue collar work ethic than them straight up. I dont see any Indians on construction crews lol. White dudes and Mexicans.

[Bill Gates]

Indians and Arabs aren't like Mexicans bro. Not saying anybody is better or worse but Mexicans have a stronger blue collar work ethic than them straight up. I dont see any Indians on construction crews lol. White dudes and Mexicans.
The debate was in reply to "name one thing immigrants are good for?" and then subsequently "why not have children do it instead?" Like half of our immigrants are from latin america, South America/Central/Mexico.

Generally speaking, Indian immigrants come here highly educated and with more money than the average native US citizen.

[tpols]

The debate was in reply to "name one thing immigrants are good for?" and then subsequently "why not have children do it instead?" Like half of our immigrants are from latin america, South America/Central/Mexico.

Generally speaking, Indian immigrants come here highly educated and with more money than the average native US citizen.

Then why were you talking about them building roads and shit? Have you seen what India looks like? They dont build well. The new waves coming in by millions aren't all doctors. Theyre gonna take jobs in office settings from regular Americans. It just doesn't make sense to import more poor people into a country thats on the verge of economic collapse. Youre talking about population in 2100 lmao. USA and USD will have collapsed by then especially if we expand the welfare state. Do you realize how in debt our government is?

[Bill Gates]

Then why were you talking about them building roads and shit? Have you seen what India looks like? They dont build well. The new waves coming in by millions aren't all doctors. Theyre gonna take jobs in office settings from regular Americans. It just doesn't make sense to import more poor people into a country thats on the verge of economic collapse. Youre talking about population in 2100 lmao. USA and USD will have collapsed by then especially if we expand the welfare state. Do you realize how in debt our government is?
I just told you, it was spurred from baller asking to name one thing immigrants are good for (all races). Doing our hard labor is something they are good for. The Indian immigrants are good for being our doctors lol.

[ShawkFactory]

I just told you, it was spurred from baller asking to name one thing immigrants are good for (all races). Doing our hard labor is something they are good for. The Indian immigrants are good for being our doctors lol.

The vast majority of Indian immigrants are here working on H1B visas and most of them are either in specialty IT or engineering roles.

[Baller234]

Q: "name one thing that illegals are good for?"
A: "doing our hard labor"
Q: "they are only good for our slave labor!?"
A: "no"

:oldlol:

So then name another thing that illegals are good for. This should be easy for you then.

Tell us why you think importing millions of illegals is great idea without mentioning cheap labor.

[Bill Gates]

So then name another thing that illegals are good for. This should be easy for you then.

Tell us why you think importing millions of illegals is great idea without mentioning cheap labor.

Since Indians keep being brought up -

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/nri/migrate/its-official-indian-immigrants-do-make-us-richer/articleshow/122357408.cms?from=mdr

They are good for all forms of labor.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5udhyFbo_k


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUZY5cGY6BM



Indian Immigrants save the US Gov $1.7M each, on average.

[Baller234]

What about the millions upon millions of immigrants not coming from India?

What are they good for other than labor? Why is it a good idea to import them?

[Bill Gates]

What about the millions upon millions of immigrants not coming from India?

What are they good for other than labor? Why is it a good idea to import them?
"Import" them?

They are good for literally the exact same things that legal citizens are good for. Elon Musk was an immigrant.

[Bill Gates]

Why do you believe that a human's legal status has any bearing or relevance to what that human is "good for"?

[warriorfan]

Why do you believe that a human's legal status has any bearing or relevance to what that human is "good for"?

If you don’t have any legal or illegal system for admission then you run the risk of letting anyone in and that invalidates your metrics about how importing 3rd worlders is technically profitable for America or society. Oh yeah aren’t you against the notion that just because something is more profitable doesn’t inherently make it better? Lol

[Bill Gates]

If you don’t have any legal or illegal system for admission then you run the risk of letting anyone in and that invalidates your metrics about how importing 3rd worlders is technically profitable for America or society. Oh yeah aren’t you against the notion that just because something is more profitable doesn’t inherently make it better? Lol

That did not address the question at all.

[warriorfan]

That did not address the question at all.

Go **** yourself and have fun getting dominated with your low iq devils advocate schtick all day everyday :roll:

Interesting behavior tbh

[Baller234]

Why do you believe that a human's legal status has any bearing or relevance to what that human is "good for"?

https://i.ibb.co/1JzdYgqZ/Screenshot-2025-10-27-at-1-16-44-PM.png

^ That is going to be my new disclaimer every time you guys deflect and act all phony and disingenuous.

America is not obligated to let in every human being from around the world. There are billions of "humans". We don't have the resources and our system would collapse. That would be like rolling out the red carpet and letting everyone into disneyland without paying. When that happens you can't have disneyland anymore.

So what are you trying to say? That America should import millions of illegal immigrants whether it's good for the country or not? If it's bad for the country and brings us closer to collapse then so be it?

That is essentially your argument. "America needs illegal immigrants because they are humans and humans matter".

Autistic. Retarded. Moronic. Low IQ.

[Bill Gates]

None of that answered my question. I'm not going to play the game where I answer all of your questions directly and you ignore mine completely.


Why do you believe that a human's legal status has any bearing or relevance to what that human is "good for"?

Answer that, and then I will proceed to address your embarrassingly nonsensical Disney Land stuff :oldlol:

[Baller234]

None of that answered my question. I'm not going to play the game where I answer all of your questions directly and you ignore mine completely.



Answer that, and then I will proceed to address your embarrassingly nonsensical Disney Land stuff :oldlol:

https://i.ibb.co/1JzdYgqZ/Screenshot-2025-10-27-at-1-16-44-PM.png

In an ideal utopia we would be able to help and accommodate every human on Earth but that is not the reality. The reality is our resources are finite and our systems can only sustain if they are governed by rules and order. Letting in EVERYONE with total disregard would destroy what we currently have.

If Disneyland let everyone in without paying, the park would quickly descend into total chaos. The rides would have endless lines, food stands would run out of supplies, restrooms would become overcrowded and disgusting, security and safety measures would collapse due to the park being filled beyond capacity, and less ticket revenue means less money for upkeep and maintenance. What was once meant to be a joyful experience would turn into total shit show. The system that makes it work depends on limits, structure and contribution from everyone who enters.

If America let everyone in from around the world by the millions without any rules or limits, our systems would become overwhelmed. And it wouldn't just be about numbers, but about differences. Schools, hospitals, and neighborhoods would struggle to function as people arrived speaking hundreds of languages and following very different cultural norms. Communication barriers would slow education, healthcare, and law enforcement. Our communities would fragment. Our jobs, housing, and public services would buckle under the pressure.

Just as Disneyland needs tickets and limits to keep things running smoothly, a country needs immigration laws and structure so that people from other cultures can enter, adapt, and contribute without collapsing the systems that make life work for everyone.

[Bill Gates]

https://i.ibb.co/1JzdYgqZ/Screenshot-2025-10-27-at-1-16-44-PM.png

In an ideal utopia we would be able to help and accommodate every human on Earth but that is not the reality. The reality is our resources are finite and our systems can only sustain if they are governed by rules and order. Letting in EVERYONE with total disregard would destroy what we currently have.

If Disneyland let everyone in without paying, the park would quickly descend into total chaos. The rides would have endless lines, food stands would run out of supplies, restrooms would become overcrowded and disgusting, security and safety measures would collapse due to the park being filled beyond capacity, and less ticket revenue means less money for upkeep and maintenance. What was once meant to be a joyful experience would turn into total shit show. The system that makes it work depends on limits, structure and contribution from everyone who enters.

If America let everyone in from around the world by the millions without any rules or limits, our systems would become overwhelmed. And it wouldn't just be about numbers, but about differences. Schools, hospitals, and neighborhoods would struggle to function as people arrived speaking hundreds of languages and following very different cultural norms. Communication barriers would slow education, healthcare, and law enforcement. Our communities would fragment. Our jobs, housing, and public services would buckle under the pressure.

Just as Disneyland needs tickets and limits to keep things running smoothly, a country needs immigration laws and structure so that people from other cultures can enter, adapt, and contribute without collapsing the systems that make life work for everyone.

This is more of the same and completely ignores my question again. Walt Disney's parents immigrated here from Europe btw, DisneyLand wouldn't exist without immigration. And our numbers would dwindle without it and THAT would overwhelm the system.

[Baller234]

This is more of the same and completely ignores my question again. Walt Disney's parents immigrated here from Europe btw, DisneyLand wouldn't exist without immigration. And our numbers would dwindle without it and THAT would overwhelm the system.

Why are you dishonestly conflating immigration with illegal immigration? Seems intentional.

[Baller234]

This is more of the same and completely ignores my question again. Walt Disney's parents immigrated here from Europe btw, DisneyLand wouldn't exist without immigration. And our numbers would dwindle without it and THAT would overwhelm the system.

Why are you dishonestly conflating immigration with illegal immigration? Seems intentional.

[Bill Gates]

Why are you dishonestly conflating immigration with illegal immigration? Seems intentional.
Elias Disney (father) came into the US illegally, crossing the border in Canada. He met Flora Call (mother), and was not legal until he married her in Chicago. The two went on to birth Walt, and he would not exist without his father immigrating into the US illegally.

That relates directly to question that you keep ignoring. Why do you believe that a human's legal status has any bearing or relevance to what that human is "good for"? Elias have papers or not is irrelevant.

[warriorfan]

Elias Disney (father) came into the US illegally, crossing the border in Canada. He met Flora Call (mother), and was not legal until he married her in Chicago. The two went on to birth Walt, and he would not exist without his father immigrating into the US illegally.

That relates directly to question that you keep ignoring. Why do you believe that a human's legal status has any bearing or relevance to what that human is "good for"? Elias have papers or not is irrelevant.

Ya, the main difference is they weren’t indian lmao

[Baller234]

Elias Disney (father) came into the US illegally, crossing the border in Canada. He met Flora Call (mother), and was not legal until he married her in Chicago. The two went on to birth Walt, and he would not exist without his father immigrating into the US illegally.

That relates directly to question that you keep ignoring. Why do you believe that a human's legal status has any bearing or relevance to what that human is "good for"? Elias have papers or not is irrelevant.

Uh... I can't find a single thing online confirming any of this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elias_Disney


Disney was born in the rural village of Bluevale, in what is now Ontario, Canada, to Irish Protestant immigrants Kepple Elias Disney (1832–1891) and Mary Disney (née Richardson) (1838–1909). Both parents had emigrated from Freshford, County Kilkenny in Ireland to Canada as children, accompanying their parents.[4][5] His parents would have eight other children in the following 18 years after the birth of Elias.

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

You wanna try again buddy?

This guy is just blatantly making shit up.

[Bill Gates]

Are you dumb? What you just posted literally says he was born in Canada.




Elias Disney became a legal US citizen in the 1930s, when he was in his 70s, after it was discovered he was still legally a Canadian citizen due to a technicality in his father's naturalization process.

Elias was born in Bluevale, Ontario, Canada, in 1859. His family moved to the United States and settled in Kansas when he was a teenager. His father, Kepple Disney, took out naturalization papers in 1879.

Under an Act of Congress at the time, minor children automatically became citizens when their father achieved citizenship. However, Elias had come of age (turned 21, the legal age of majority at the time) before the naturalization process was fully completed for his father. Unbeknownst to Elias or the rest of the family, this meant he legally remained a Canadian citizen.

The situation was discovered decades later, in the 1930s, when his voting status was challenged while he was living in Portland, Oregon. As a result, Elias and his wife Flora (who, having been born in Ohio, was also considered an alien due to marrying a non-citizen under the laws of the time) went through the formal naturalization process. He filed a Petition for US Citizenship in 1934. He was eventually naturalized by a judge, who noted that he did not have to go through the full procedure due to the circumstances.

[Baller234]

You said he was an illegal alien, implying he was no different than the ones sneaking in currently.

His parents migrated legally and brought him here as a teenager. The only reason his own citizenship was in dispute was due to a legal technicality. Once he was able to actually file for citizenship it was granted and he didn't even have to go through the full procedure that other immigrants do.

So yes, you're retarded and your comparison was retarded. :oldlol: