Why do people say "Lebron has all the stats" when Magic has APG and MJ has PPG

[3ba11]

And other guys have RPG, SPG, BPG and efficiency - Lebron is nowhere near the best at anything!!

Who cares about playing at a lower level for longer (longevity) - the lower level/lower averages = inferior

MJ and Jokic lead the all-time PER, BPM, WS/48, and VORP, while Lebron also trails in FT%, SPG, BPG, OREB & TO's (per game), and ORTG (pts produced per possession) - he also has the most missed shots and TO's ever, yet no one talks about these stats that offset his all-time points lead

It's bs.. Given the enormous help that lebron's ball-dominant, spot-up role-imposing skillset needs (can't win with normal roster of 1 franchise player), and given his many horrible losses despite all-star teammates and preseason favorites, he isn't a top 10 all-time player - the opinion of a few dozen journalism majors (media awards) mean exactly nothing in a top 10 debate... The only thing that matters is your win frequency and how much help you needed - these things are in turn based on the level of chemistry and teammate elevation/great fits that your skillset produces.. Unfortunately, Lebron's skillset has a long list of bad fits and teammate craterings, hence his horrific win rate and need for more help

[BarberSchool]

https://youtu.be/n3lbOMqTEkY?si=IDLn6wVjii-KkARL

Nothing personal 3ball, just trying to liven things up around this deada$$ place.

[SouBeachTalents]

LeBron leads Kobe in PPG, APG, RPG, SPG, BPG, PER, BPM, WS/48, VORP & ORTG, so he does have all the stats on him.

[highwhey]

op, you're the only one still talking about bron.

[3ba11]

https://youtu.be/n3lbOMqTEkY?si=IDLn6wVjii-KkARL

Nothing personal 3ball, just trying to liven things up around this deada$$ place.


It would've been better if you could've just explained why people say Lebron has all the stats when he doesn't have anything - he's nowhere near #1 in PPG, RPG, APG, SPG, BPG, PER, BPM, WS/48, VORP, efficiency and many more... All he has is bs longevity points, which is offset by the most TO's ever, and most missed shots ever

So he's 100% fraud - bet your money on him to lose and you'll get rich

[k0kakw0rld]

Move on OP. You're obsessed

[3ba11]

LeBron leads Kobe in PPG, APG, RPG, SPG, BPG, PER, BPM, WS/48, VORP & ORTG, so he does have all the stats on him.


Stats is only 1 half of it for 1st options (who dictate brand of ball, chemistry and the level of team offense)

So Kobe leads the other half of things (winning, scoring versatility/fits, chemistry, teammate elevation, brand of ball, winning more with less, toughness, leadership, setting an example, clutch efficiency, fearlessness (which permeates the team, so teammates are more clutch), loyalty, and much more - basically everything except stats...

[1987_Lakers]

Bruh, why is everyone all of a sudden doing Mr. Pink memes around here the moment avatars are disabled? He was my avatar.

[BarberSchool]

Bruh, why is everyone all of a sudden doing Mr. Pink memes around here the moment avatars are disabled? He was my avatar.
Who else posted Mr. Pink sh!t ? I like em already.

[BarberSchool]

It would've been better if you could've just explained why people say Lebron has all the stats when he doesn't have anything - he's nowhere near #1 in PPG, RPG, APG, SPG, BPG, PER, BPM, WS/48, VORP, efficiency and many more... All he has is bs longevity points, which is offset by the most TO's ever, and most missed shots ever

So he's 100% fraud - bet your money on him to lose and you'll get richwould have been much better, very true. But I’m too stoned to do all that.

[3ba11]

would have been much better, very true. But I’m too stoned to do all that.


That's fair

[1987_Lakers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcSTVBQS_8E

[3ba11]

.
I've mathematically solved Lebron's game:

It's statistical fact that Lebron's skillset increases everyone's assisted buckets/spot-up role, which craters their assists and causes low assist teams over time - this is all statistical fact... We can confirm that this is a flaw because every series loss of Lebron's playoff career shows deficits in team assists... Since Lebron's assist-lowering effect is the catalyst in every loss, the team must literally overcome this affliction to win (have more assists than the other team) - the TEAM must overcome Lebron's weakness to win.

Taking this a step further, if team assists is a proxy for teamwork, then Lebron essentially needs better teamwork than the opponent to win a playoff series - aka he can't carry the load and win with less teamwork - he needs his team.. Otoh, MJ carried the load and won with less teamwork/team assists all the time, while also winning with less scoring help (carrying the scoring load, aka defeating max defensive attention).

Carry on

[Full Court]

LeBron leads Kobe in PPG, APG, RPG, SPG, BPG, PER, BPM, WS/48, VORP & ORTG, so he does have all the stats on him.

You got me. :confused: Lebron should be ranked higher than #15 of all time Kobe.

[John8204]

Because Magic and Jordan were steroid cheats...

[sdot_thadon]

What are you even arguing here? That Lebron doesnt have a statistically impressive career? If so thats one of the more stupid stances in a long line of stupid stances from you, its pretty high up your personal all time list. They say he has "all the stats" because he does. Hes high up the record books on almost any conceivable stat. Hes literally the only guy ever to post 40k 10k 10k for a career, with no other player even coming close. His career averages? They are elite still after 23 seasons. Most guy's last few seasons cannibalize their career averages to below what they truly were as players. Lebron? Not so much. Theres not a single angle you can take that he doesnt look good statistically, unless i guess you want to gripe that he isnt a great free throw shooter.....big whoop.

[3ba11]

What are you even arguing here? That Lebron doesnt have a statistically impressive career? If so thats one of the more stupid stances in a long line of stupid stances from you, its pretty high up your personal all time list. They say he has "all the stats" because he does. Hes high up the record books on almost any conceivable stat. Hes literally the only guy ever to post 40k 10k 10k for a career, with no other player even coming close. His career averages? They are elite still after 23 seasons. Most guy's last few seasons cannibalize their career averages to below what they truly were as players. Lebron? Not so much. Theres not a single angle you can take that he doesnt look good statistically, unless i guess you want to gripe that he isnt a great free throw shooter.....big whoop.


Magic has APG and MJ has PPG... And other guys have RPG, SPG, BPG and efficiency - Lebron is nowhere near the best at anything!!

Who cares about playing at a lower level for longer (longevity) - the lower level/lower averages = inferior

MJ and Jokic lead the all-time PER, BPM, WS/48, and VORP, while Lebron also trails in FT%, SPG, BPG, OREB & TO's (per game), and ORTG (pts produced per possession) - he also has the most missed shots and TO's ever, which completely offset his career points total.

stockton and kareem have equal or better career totals than lebron, but no one cares, and no one has EVER cared about career totals.. Miller has 3000 more points than Bird, but no one is dumb enough to say that he's a better scorer, yet I hear that crap about Lebron all the time (that he's the greatest scorer - in reality, LeBrokeJumper and LeStiffArm isn't a top 20 scorer all-time as far as his scoring skill and ability

[SouBeachTalents]

Magic has APG and MJ has PPG... And other guys have RPG, SPG, BPG and efficiency - Lebron is nowhere near the best at anything!!

Who cares about playing at a lower level for longer (longevity) - the lower level/lower averages = inferior

MJ and Jokic lead the all-time PER, BPM, WS/48, and VORP, while Lebron also trails in FT%, SPG, BPG, OREB & TO's (per game), and ORTG (pts produced per possession) - he also has the most missed shots and TO's ever, which completely offset his career points total.

stockton and kareem have equal or better career totals than lebron, but no one cares, and no one has EVER cared about career totals.. Miller has 3000 more points than Bird, but no one is dumb enough to say that he's a better scorer, yet I hear that crap about Lebron all the time (that he's the greatest scorer - in reality, LeBrokeJumper and LeStiffArm isn't a top 20 scorer all-time as far as his scoring skill and ability
Yep, the guy who's top 10 in both regular season and playoff ppg, and that's with him playing into his 40's, isn't even a top 20 scorer ever. A rational and intelligent take as always.

[Hey Yo]

Jordan has the * that nobody else has

[sdot_thadon]

Magic has APG and MJ has PPG... And other guys have RPG, SPG, BPG and efficiency - Lebron is nowhere near the best at anything!!

Who cares about playing at a lower level for longer (longevity) - the lower level/lower averages = inferior

MJ and Jokic lead the all-time PER, BPM, WS/48, and VORP, while Lebron also trails in FT%, SPG, BPG, OREB & TO's (per game), and ORTG (pts produced per possession) - he also has the most missed shots and TO's ever, which completely offset his career points total.

stockton and kareem have equal or better career totals than lebron, but no one cares, and no one has EVER cared about career totals.. Miller has 3000 more points than Bird, but no one is dumb enough to say that he's a better scorer, yet I hear that crap about Lebron all the time (that he's the greatest scorer - in reality, LeBrokeJumper and LeStiffArm isn't a top 20 scorer all-time as far as his scoring skill and ability

If.we got to know one thing after all these posts its gotta be this: you one weird ass mofo. Youre arguing that he isnt 1st in everything? Ive never even heard that take from the most deep throat level lebron stans bruh. When they say "hes got all the stats" they mean in a nutshell hes pretty good at everything, not hes 1st place in every stat ever. Thats just stupid shit somebody grown as you should be above. Hes amongst the top in almost every relevant category. This isnt up for discussion at this point.

And Miller never was said to be as good a scorer or better than Bird....because he wasnt. Duh. Meanwhile Lebrons ppg is top 10 of people to ever play a game in 75 plus years. His scoring totals around far beyond what anyone else has accumulated. Unless you want to do this groupie level handwringing over what looks prettier to you...its fair to say hes one of the greatest scorers to ever touch a basketball. And still adding to his gap after 23 seasons!

[Phoenix]

.
I've mathematically solved Lebron's game

Whats the math on the number of accounts and posts you've spammed about Lebron at this point? Does your calculator go that high or did it start waving a white flag?

[3ba11]

If.we got to know one thing after all these posts its gotta be this: you one weird ass mofo.

Youre arguing that he isnt 1st in everything?





No, I'm saying he isn't #1 in anything

Magic has APG and MJ has PPG... And other guys have RPG, SPG, BPG and efficiency - Lebron is nowhere near the best at anything!!

career AVERAGES are the best indicator of who is the best in a particular category, not cumulative totals... Otherwise, Reggie Miller would be considered a better scorer than Bird due to 3000 more career points - fortunately, the per game averages tell the story

[3ba11]

Whats the math on the number of accounts and posts you've spammed about Lebron at this point? Does your calculator go that high or did it start waving a white flag?


The truth often takes time.. and as my post showed, I got there

[SouBeachTalents]

No, I'm saying he isn't #1 in anything

Magic has APG and MJ has PPG... And other guys have RPG, SPG, BPG and efficiency - Lebron is nowhere near the best at anything!!

career AVERAGES are the best indicator of who is the best in a particular category, not cumulative totals... Otherwise, Reggie Miller would be considered a better scorer than Bird due to 3000 more career points - fortunately, the per game averages tell the story
He's the best at consuming your life.

To answer Phoenix, he must be at minimum 50,000 posts in, and that's a conservative estimate.

[sdot_thadon]

No, I'm saying he isn't #1 in anything

Magic has APG and MJ has PPG... And other guys have RPG, SPG, BPG and efficiency - Lebron is nowhere near the best at anything!!

career AVERAGES are the best indicator of who is the best in a particular category, not cumulative totals... Otherwise, Reggie Miller would be considered a better scorer than Bird due to 3000 more career points - fortunately, the per game averages tell the story

And why is that so important to you? This is where not being a one track minded obsessed idiot comes into play. If you know how statistics work, the longer you play the harder it is to keep a high average past your decline. Lebron is still amonst leaders Despite having played this many seasons past his best self. That's what should be really impressive to a guy like yourself. You look at totals hes top 25 in what? 5 of the 6 major categories. Only player in the entire history of the orange ball to do so. You talk about him being behind Joker and Mj in some advanced stats. Its impressive that hes still as high as he is 23 seasons in neither of those 2 would likely be able to replicate that. Im still trying to figure out what's your point or why this is so important? If it's because you think its a talking point in the goat debate? It is, but just one of many. I'll ask you this. If Mj is so far the goat in your mind that you do all this bullshit online: why does he only lead in PPG? Where the rest of his mythical output? Seems like you're arguing a guy isn't 1st in everything vs a guy who's 1st in one thing?:biggums: or are we looking at the spread of stats and saying here are 2 guys who could do nearly everything but one guy was a bit more versatile and was that good for much longer?

[sdot_thadon]

He's the best at consuming your life.

To answer Phoenix, he must be at minimum 50,000 posts in, and that's a conservative estimate.

50k is criminally underrating his passion lol. I'd estimate he's eclipsed a million across the sites I've been on. And done nothing but make Lebron look greater than Mj in these posts. Worst spokesman ever.

[3ba11]

And why is that so important to you? This is where not being a one track minded obsessed idiot comes into play. If you know how statistics work, the longer you play the harder it is to keep a high average past your decline. Lebron is still amonst leaders Despite having played this many seasons past his best self. That's what should be really impressive to a guy like yourself. You look at totals hes top 25 in what? 5 of the 6 major categories. Only player in the entire history of the orange ball to do so. You talk about him being behind Joker and Mj in some advanced stats. Its impressive that hes still as high as he is 23 seasons in neither of those 2 would likely be able to replicate that. Im still trying to figure out what's your point or why this is so important? If it's because you think its a talking point in the goat debate? It is, but just one of many. I'll ask you this. If Mj is so far the goat in your mind that you do all this bullshit online: why does he only lead in PPG? Where the rest of his mythical output? Seems like you're arguing a guy isn't 1st in everything vs a guy who's 1st in one thing?:biggums: or are we looking at the spread of stats and saying here are 2 guys who could do nearly everything but one guy was a bit more versatile and was that good for much longer?


At no point in Lebron's career was he anywhere near #1 in any per game category.

He's simply nowhere near the best at anything in basketball.

And MJ leads in the most important category - the only category that DIRECTLY impacts the scoreboard.. He's also near the top in SPG... So that's 2 of the 5 main categories.

He and Jokic also rule all the advanced box stats (PER, BPM, WS/48, VORP)

So that's a lot . That's goat

Jordan's clutch efficiency is also #1 and this includes efficiency on game-winners AND clutch-time in general (last 5 within 5)

Then there's Finals record, or MVP longevity (MVP's throughout a 10-year stretch), and so much more.. He's also the most organic champ in history... I can go on and on

[3ba11]

He's the best at consuming your life.

To answer Phoenix, he must be at minimum 50,000 posts in, and that's a conservative estimate.


Stick a sock in it bud - your act is even more tired than mine trust me . And you must be a slow typer or not know how to use a computer if u think this takes up any amount of time.. It used to a long time ago, but now .y arguments are all confirmed and proven by the unfolding historical record (the last 10 years).. So I just drive home points at this point - more like reminders in the face of media fraud

[sdot_thadon]

At no point in Lebron's career was he anywhere near #1 in any per game category.

He's simply nowhere near the best at anything in basketball.

And MJ leads in the most important category - the only category that DIRECTLY impacts the scoreboard.. He's also near the top in SPG... So that's 2 of the 5 main categories.

He and Jokic also rule all the advanced box stats (PER, BPM, WS/48, VORP)

So that's a lot . That's goat

Jordan's clutch efficiency is also #1 and this includes efficiency on game-winners AND clutch-time in general (last 5 within 5)

Then there's Finals record, or MVP longevity (MVP's throughout a 10-year stretch), and so much more.. He's also the most organic champ in history... I can go on and on

He and Jokic rule the advanced stats? (Aint that a cute was of saying Jokic passed him) But Lebron doesnt despite still having a few categories #1....after 23 seasons? You're lame bruh. All that would be great if per game stats were the only ones that matter, but they're literally only one section of basketball stats. They can matter the most in your opinion but that doesnt mean shit for me or anyone else thats at least somewhat objective. And ill say it again. The fact Lebron still ranks as high as he does 23 seasons in is amazing in itself. I can damn near guarantee you there's maybe only a guy or 2 aside from him high as he is on any one list with even a comparable mileage. And by comparable we're still talking 3 seasons or more less. More gamewinners in the postseason. Beat better teams. Won with fvmp anywhere hes played. The .most versatile champion the league has ever seen. Bron that dude.

[KD7]

OP answer this question

Who has playoff points LeBron or MJ

[3ba11]

He and Jokic rule the advanced stats? (Aint that a cute was of saying Jokic passed him) But Lebron doesnt despite still having a few categories #1....after 23 seasons? You're lame bruh. All that would be great if per game stats were the only ones that matter, but they're literally only one section of basketball stats. They can matter the most in your opinion but that doesnt mean shit for me or anyone else thats at least somewhat objective. And ill say it again. The fact Lebron still ranks as high as he does 23 seasons in is amazing in itself. I can damn near guarantee you there's maybe only a guy or 2 aside from him high as he is on any one list with even a comparable mileage. And by comparable we're still talking 3 seasons or more less. More gamewinners in the postseason. Beat better teams. Won with fvmp anywhere hes played. The .most versatile champion the league has ever seen. Bron that dude.


Lebron's mileage is irrelevant because his career per game rankings have been low for his entire career, in every category..

So again, he's nowhere near the best at anything, which is disqualifying for goat.. (low per game rankings in every category, for his entire career)

Regarding game-winners in the postseason, his efficiency on those winners is all-time bad and he's 0-10 on the championship level - this doesn't compare to Jordan.

Regarding "beating better teams" - Jordan's opponents would look amazing too if he lost to them

Regarding winning with 3 different teams - he mostly lost with 3 different teams and was a perennial loser with 3 different teams... 1 for 6 with AD is a joke or 1 for 4 with Love and Wade (except the Allen miracle).. 50+ guys in history would do better than this... Regardless of who we put around Lebron, he can't get anywhere near a 3-peat, 70 wins or dynasty, aka objectively inferior to MJ

Regarding versatility - he's been the primary ballhandler for every team that he played for, so that's his skillset - this ball-dominance had the most bad fits and teammate craterings EVER, thereby confirming that he isn't versatile.. He's just a high-scoring primary ball-handler, aka ball-dominator.. And a sub-par shooter on 2's, 3's, and FT's

[ShawkFactory]

Lebron's mileage is irrelevant because his career per game rankings have been low for his entire career, in every category..

Oh they have, have they? You are SUCH a little weasel :lol

[sdot_thadon]

Oh they have, have they? You are SUCH a little weasel :lol

I prefer the term blatant delusional liar, but to each their own :cheers:

[sdot_thadon]

Lebron's mileage is irrelevant because his career per game rankings have been low for his entire career, in every category..

So again, he's nowhere near the best at anything, which is disqualifying for goat.. (low per game rankings in every category, for his entire career)

Regarding game-winners in the postseason, his efficiency on those winners is all-time bad and he's 0-10 on the championship level - this doesn't compare to Jordan.

Regarding "beating better teams" - Jordan's opponents would look amazing too if he lost to them

Regarding winning with 3 different teams - he mostly lost with 3 different teams and was a perennial loser with 3 different teams... 1 for 6 with AD is a joke or 1 for 4 with Love and Wade (except the Allen miracle).. 50+ guys in history would do better than this... Regardless of who we put around Lebron, he can't get anywhere near a 3-peat, 70 wins or dynasty, aka objectively inferior to MJ

Regarding versatility - he's been the primary ballhandler for every team that he played for, so that's his skillset - this ball-dominance had the most bad fits and teammate craterings EVER, thereby confirming that he isn't versatile.. He's just a high-scoring primary ball-handler, aka ball-dominator.. And a sub-par shooter on 2's, 3's, and FT's

Whatever lala land you live in is wild. None of that flies here in real life. The whole reason you guys get so triggered at the mention of Lebron's stats are because they've always been at all time great levels dummy. You cant change history when its documented everywhere. And yeah more postseason game winners than MJ
...forever. never gonna change. Beat the team with the best record in nba history, too late to cry now. And the 2013 - 2014 Spurs shit on any team MJs ever seen on a playoffs court outside the 80s Celtics. They definitely outclass his finals comp. And yes he won in every city he landed in with a FMVP. Don't think anyone else can really relate to that.

And lastly yeah his versatility is nearly unprecedented. This guy has evolved constantly throughout his career and you missed it because of your shallow view of basketball. Hes played on ball, off ball, anchored defenses, led the league in assists, led the league in scoring. Took squads full of role players to the finals, balanced squads with other stars of many different styles and have took most if not all to the finals. Hes been great with no jumper, with a decent mid range, with a post game, with outside shooting. With a "bag" Hes done nearly anything you can do on a court. Right now you're watching him even further evolve his game 23 years in. Mike is the ****ing man, but so is Lebron buddy.

[tpols]

Apparently Scottie Pippen thinks hes the GOAT.

https://youtube.com/shorts/Qb9V_O7XH5g?si=rkRPpBFsuWhDr-3M

[3ba11]

Whatever lala land you live in is wild. None of that flies here in real life. The whole reason you guys get so triggered at the mention of Lebron's stats are because they've always been at all time great levels dummy. You cant change history when its documented everywhere. And yeah more postseason game winners than MJ
...forever. never gonna change. Beat the team with the best record in nba history, too late to cry now. And the 2013 - 2014 Spurs shit on any team MJs ever seen on a playoffs court outside the 80s Celtics. They definitely outclass his finals comp. And yes he won in every city he landed in with a FMVP. Don't think anyone else can really relate to that.

And lastly yeah his versatility is nearly unprecedented. This guy has evolved constantly throughout his career and you missed it because of your shallow view of basketball. Hes played on ball, off ball, anchored defenses, led the league in assists, led the league in scoring. Took squads full of role players to the finals, balanced squads with other stars of many different styles and have took most if not all to the finals. Hes been great with no jumper, with a decent mid range, with a post game, with outside shooting. With a "bag" Hes done nearly anything you can do on a court. Right now you're watching him even further evolve his game 23 years in. Mike is the ****ing man, but so is Lebron buddy.


Lebron has the longest list of bad fits and teammate craterings ever, so he isn't versatile - he's just a dumb ball-dominator that is everyone's bitch - he has a losing playoff record against everyone (TWolves, Nuggets, Suns, Mavs, Magic, Warriors, Celtics, Spurs)

Secondly, the 97' and 98' Jazz would be considered the goat team if they beat the Bulls, so the only reason Lebron's opponents look great to fans like you is because Lebron lost to them.. The 14' Spurs were a fossil team, but they had ball movement and that's all a team needs to beat ball-dominance (inferior basketball).

Lebron lost 3 times with the best roster in the league (preseason favorite) in 2011, 2014 and 2021, while losing by record amount with a super-team in 3017.. The guy is a joke and laughing stock to many fans.. Many fathers tell their sons "don't be like this bitch" (flopper, colluder, whiner, load manager, insecure,:etc, etc)
.

[sdot_thadon]

Lebron has the longest list of bad fits and teammate craterings ever, so he isn't versatile - he's just a dumb ball-dominator that is everyone's bitch - he has a losing playoff record against everyone (TWolves, Nuggets, Suns, Mavs, Magic, Warriors, Celtics, Spurs)
Actually....real world speaking again.....he has the longest list of fits to win a title or even attempt in a finals of anyone aside from maybe Russell or Kareem. He's been successful without needed a specific sidekick, coach, offense, or franchise. He's also figured out the fit each time well enough to reach the finals and in some cases win as the main guy. He has lost in his later years, hes great yet not the terror he once was. Thats clear. But you being an idiot is just as clear at this point.


Secondly, the 97' and 98' Jazz would be considered the goat team if they beat the Bulls, so the only reason Lebron's opponents look great to fans like you is because Lebron lost to them.. The 14' Spurs were a fossil team, but they had ball movement and that's all a team needs to beat ball-dominance (inferior basketball)They would be called the goat team spamming a less dynamic version of what you've been hating on Lebron for doing for a ridiculous chunk of your life? Tell me more about how winning just 2 more games basically changes who they were historically as a team.....:facepalm the 2016 warriors are still highly regarded despite not finishing the job. The jazz? Yeah ok. Like we wouldn't have made a million and 1 excuses for why Mj didn't win.


Lebron lost 3 times with the best roster in the league (preseason favorite) in 2011, 2014 and 2021, while losing by record amount with a super-team in 3017.. The guy is a joke and laughing stock to many fans.. Many fathers tell their sons "don't be like this bitch" (flopper, colluder, whiner, load manager, insecure,:etc, etc) .

Keeping in the whole reality premise my current string of posts lie in: He's a joke amd a laughing stock to only a certain, easy to spot coming from a mile away, segment of fans. Nobody gives a shit but them and by extension you bruh. No amount of crying will change where Lebron stands. Told your silly ass years it wouldn't be worth the effort.

[3ba11]

Actually....real world speaking again.....he has the longest list of fits to win a title or even attempt in a finals of anyone aside from maybe Russell or Kareem. He's been successful without needed a specific sidekick, coach, offense, or franchise. He's also figured out the fit each time well enough to reach the finals and in some cases win as the main guy. He has lost in his later years, hes great yet not the terror he once was. Thats clear. But you being an idiot is just as clear at this point.





Lebron failed to reach Jordan caliber more times than anyone by going 1 for 6 with AD, or 1 for 4 with two Big 3's (except the Allen miracle)

So regardless of who we put around Lebron, he can't reach 3-peat, 70 wins or dynasty, aka objectively inferior to MJ or Kobe

Keep in mind how shaky the 2 for 4 was with Miami - it was a teammate bailout and a win over babies bookended by the goat choke and record loss - that's the worst anyone can do.. Lebron never won a regular chip, aka no teammate bailout or shortened season, and no 2nd option chips

[StrongLurk]

Lebron has all the stats.

[3ba11]

Lebron has all the stats.


He only has stats that measure HOW LONG he played, but doesn't have any of the stats that measure CALIBER, such as frequency or per game stats, aka dominance stats

In the case of Jordan vs Lebron, Jordan has PPG, OREB, SPG, BPG, FT%, TO's, possessions used (usage), efficiency on possessions used (ORTG), plus/minus, raptor.... Meanwhile, Lebron has APG (ball-dominance), TS (drive-heavy attack/ball-dominance), and DREB (positional stat)

So no

[SouBeachTalents]

He only has stats that measure HOW LONG he played, but doesn't have any of the stats that measure CALIBER, such as frequency or per game stats, aka dominance stats

In the case of Jordan vs Lebron, Jordan has PPG, OREB, SPG, BPG, FT%, TO's, possessions used (usage), efficiency on possessions used (ORTG), plus/minus, raptor.... Meanwhile, Lebron has APG (ball-dominance), TS (drive-heavy attack/ball-dominance), and DREB (positional stat)
And he does
Now do this same comparison with LeBron & Kobe.

[3ba11]

Now do this same comparison with LeBron & Kobe.


We already know that Lebron has the frequency stats over Kobe, but Kobe's scoring diversity gave him the team offense/chemistry and teammate elevation aspects over Lebron... That's why Kobe was automatic once he got a 2nd option (Pau) that was worse than Lebron's 3rd option (Bosh or Love), aka Kobe needed less help because his superior skills/IQ produced better chemistry/fits (and therefore team ceiling/Finals records)

[StrongLurk]

Lebron has all the stats.

[3ba11]

Lebron has all the stats.


He only has stats that measure HOW LONG he played, but doesn't have any of the stats that measure CALIBER, such as frequency or per game stats, aka dominance stats

In the case of Jordan vs Lebron, Jordan has PPG, OREB, SPG, BPG, FT%, TO's, PER, BPM, WS/48, VORP, possessions used (usage), efficiency on possessions used (ORTG), plus/minus, raptor.... Meanwhile, Lebron has APG (ball-dominance), TS (drive-heavy attack/ball-dominance), and DREB (positional stat)

So no

[sdot_thadon]

Lebron has all the stats.

Indeed.

[3ba11]

Indeed.


tbh, Stockton, Kareem and others have better longevity stats than Lebron, and Lebron has zero dominance/frequency stats, aka per game, or advanced boxscore

[sdot_thadon]

Lebron has all the stats
We know. Glad you figured it out.

[3ba11]

We know. Glad you figured it out.


No one could mention a major stat category of basketball that Lebron was considered the best at, regardless of his statistical ranking in that category, i.e. Lebron has the most career points, but he isn't anywhere near the best scorer ever or even top 10.. Same thing goes for assists, rebounds, blocks or steals - he's nowhere near the best in any of these categories, or even top 10.. Lebron isn't top 10 in any of the 5 major categories.

[Baller234]

I don't ever wanna hear anyone talk about "stats" again.

If you really wanna boil it down to "stats", Wilt Chamberlain is the goat and there's no close second. 50 points a game and scoring DOUBLE the next best scorer. He has the stats, he has the MVP's, he has the championships.

So if "stats" and all that other bullshit is how you define the goat and Wilt isn't your first choice, just stop altogether.

[3ba11]

I don't ever wanna hear anyone talk about "stats" again.

If you really wanna boil it down to "stats", Wilt Chamberlain is the goat and there's no close second. 50 points a game and scoring DOUBLE the next best scorer. He has the stats, he has the MVP's, he has the championships.

So if "stats" and all that other bullshit is how you define the goat and Wilt isn't your first choice, just stop altogether.


Playoff PPG

Jordan.... 33.5
Wilt......... 22.8


So no

[sdot_thadon]

I don't ever wanna hear anyone talk about "stats" again.

If you really wanna boil it down to "stats", Wilt Chamberlain is the goat and there's no close second. 50 points a game and scoring DOUBLE the next best scorer. He has the stats, he has the MVP's, he has the championships.

So if "stats" and all that other bullshit is how you define the goat and Wilt isn't your first choice, just stop altogether.

Probably the reason its stupid to try to "boil it down" when there's so many faucets of basketball. From what I see people try to "Boil it down" in whatever way fits the guy they like most.

[Axe]

If he never played in the nba, i wonder who'd you be whining about instead?


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