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VCMVP1551

08-16-2007, 10:02 AM

1991 NBA Pre-Draft Measurements
Dikembe Mutombo 7'1.25"
Larry Johnson 6'5.5"

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?page=&year=1991&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=0&sort=

1992 NBA Pre-Draft Measurements
Shaquille O'Neal 7'1"
Robert Horry 6'8"
Latrell Sprewell 6'4.5"
Alonzo Mourning 6'9.5"

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?year=1992&sort2=ASC&draft=100&sort=

1993 NBA Pre-Draft Measurements
Chris Webber 6'9"
Penny Hardaway 6'6"
Jamal Mashburn- 6'7.5"

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?page=&year=1993&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=0&sort=

1994 NBA Pre-Draft Measurements
Glenn Robinson 6'7"
Jason Kidd 6'3"
Juwan Howard 6'8.5"
Grant Hill

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?page=&year=1994&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=0&sort=

1995 NBA Pre-Draft Measurements
Joe Smith 6'9.5"
Antonio McDyess 6'9.5"
Jerry Stackhouse 6'4.5"
Rasheed Wallace 6'9.75"
Kevin Garnett 6'11"
Michael Finley 6'5.75"

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?year=1995&sort2=ASC&draft=100&sort=

1996 NBA Pre-Draft Measurements
Ben Wallace 6'7"
Steve Nash 6'1"
Antoine Walker 6'8.75"
Peja Stojakovic 6'8"
Zydrunas Ilgauskas 7'2"
Marcus Camby 6'11"

Wallace measured at 6'7 in pre-draft workouts.

http://www.82games.com/trueheight.htm

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?page=&year=1996&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=0&sort=

Kevin Garnett has grown to 6'11.75"

From an October 7th, 1996 St. Paul Pioneer Press article.

``Kevin did a lot of lifting in the summer. His ability helps him compensate for the weight.'' Garnett grew slightly from 6-11 to ``6-11 and three-quarters,'' as Garnett puts it.

3stat2

08-16-2007, 10:34 AM

Shaquille O'Neal
Height w/o shoes: 7'1"
Weight: 303
Wingspan: 7'6"
Body Fat: 12%
Standing Reach: 9'8"
Highest Touch: 12'4"
Standing Vertical: 32 Inches

Jeez, what was his running vert and highest touch? That highest touch is just assuming he did it from a standing start.

VCMVP1551

08-16-2007, 10:48 AM

Here are some of the older legends barefoot heights

Wilt Chamberlain 7'1 1/16" in his prime.

http://espn.go.com/classic/biography/s/chamberlain_wilt.html

"Wilt Chamberlain was always bigger than life, a mythic-like giant. At 7-foot-1 1/16, he was the most dominating offensive big man in basketball history."

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/WILTandAndreiandArnold.jpg

Wilt measured 7'0 1/2" and weighed 327 pounds..he was already close to 50 though so he had shrunk about half an inch from the 7'1 1/16" he was in his prime.

Kareem Abdul Jabbar measured 7'1 5/8" without shoes in his rookie season season with the Bucks in 1969. Bill Russell was 6'9 1/2" in his prime.
Bill Walton is 6'11".

When the NBA held its annual pre-draft camp in Chicago earlier this month, even the studliest prospects got the raw-recruit treatment. "They pinch and poke and prod you," says out-to-pasture studhorse Bill Walton, who has long insisted that he's an honest 6-foot-11. "Then they put the calipers on you. It's like submitting yourself to one of the Big Five accounting firms."

Some barefoot heights from the Olympics

1992 Olympics
Charles Barkley 6'4 5/8"
Magic Johnson 6'7"
John Stockton 6'0"

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/inside_game/alexander_wolff/news/2001/06/20/hoop_life/

"If they aren't smoked out at the pre-draft camp, padded heights get exposed at USA Basketball team trials. It was in the run-up to the 1992 Olympics that the world finally learned what the cognoscenti had long suspected -- that Charles Barkley was more like 6-4 5/8 than 6-6, and Magic Johnson closer to 6-7 than 6-9. Likewise, it was a measurement in 1988 before the Games (citius, altius -- but not unduly altius) that exposed Danny Manning, who had been a 6-11 freshman at Kansas, as a 6-9 NBA draftee-to-be."

1988 Olympics

One useful feature of the trials is that players are measured and weighed, rather than listed at their media-guide sizes, which are usually inflated. Thus, David Robinson, heretofore listed at 7-1, 235, is down to 7-0, 226. Danny Manning, once listed at 6-11, is now 6-9. Georgetown recruit [Alonzo Mourning], once 6-11 or 6-10 at Indian River High in Chesapeake, Va., is down to 6-9, 230

David Robinson 7'0"
Mitch Richmond 6'4"
Dan Majerle 6'5"
Danny Manning 6'9"
Alonzo Mourning 6'9"

http://www.usabasketball.com/history/moly_1988.html

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/latimes/access/59884817.html?dids=59884817:59884817&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&date=May+21%2C+1988&author=MARK+HEISLER&pub=Los+Angeles+Times+(pre-1997+Fulltext)&desc=U.S.+Olympic+Men's+Basketball+Trials+The+Real +David+Robinson+Surfaces+Again&pqatl=google

Former Cavs star center Brad Daugherty is 6'11 3/4" according to that Sports Illustrated article

"North Carolina had a parade of not-quite-7-footers, including Brad Daugherty (6-11 3/4 in the press guide) and Warren Martin (officially 6-11 1/2), until Matt Wenstrom matriculated at Chapel Hill in 1993 at 7-1. Why didn't Dean Smith round up for all those years? According to one pale-blue source, the Tar Heels coach long feared that a listing at 7-foot carried with it the pressure of outsized expectations. With Wenstrom he apparently had a change of heart, and Smith went on to list Kevin Salvadori, Eric Montross and Serge Zwikker as 7-footers."

Sports Illustrated claimed Jordan was 6'6.5"

Jordan, who is 6' 6 1/2", 201 pounds, emerged last season -- only his second on the varsity -- as merely the finest all-around amateur player in the world. "There is one phenomenon in college ball," says Tom Newell, a scout for the Golden State Warriors and the radio color man for the University of Virginia, "and his name is Michael Jordan."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/1999/jordan_retires/archive/831128/

Michael was listed 6'5" and only 190 pounds in 1982 at 19 years old

http://www.usabasketball.com/history/mfiba50_1982.html

VCMVP1551

08-16-2007, 10:50 AM

Jeez, what was his running vert and highest touch? That highest touch is just assuming he did it from a standing start.

I'm sorry I have no idea what his running vertical was. The old pre-draft stuff is hard to find. Running vertical isn't as important for a traditional back to the basket center like Shaq

'Toine=MVP

08-16-2007, 11:09 AM

why is this interesting?

biisak

08-16-2007, 11:55 AM

Wilt Chamberlain 7'1 1/16" in his prime and he eventually shrunk to 7'0 1/2"

Kareem Abdul Jabbar measured 7'1 5/8"

Get with the damn metric system you inbreads.

VCMVP1551

08-16-2007, 11:56 AM

Get with the damn metric system you inbreads.

You can't even spell inbred! LMFAO

Lebron23

08-16-2007, 12:00 PM

Biisak here are the metric system

1.78 M- 178 cms- 5'10
1.8M- 180 cms- 5'11
1.83 M- 183 cms- 6'0

185 cms- 6'1
188 cms- 6'2
191 cms- 6'3
195 cms- 6'4
198 cms- 6'6
201 cms- 6'7
203 cms- 6'8
206 cms- 6'9
208 cms- 6'10
211 cms- 6'11
214 cms- 7'0
216 cms- 7'1

VCMVP1551

08-16-2007, 12:09 PM

VCMVP1551

08-16-2007, 12:48 PM

6'4 7/8" Michael Jordan and 6'5.5" Julius Erving

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/NBA7902/NBA%20Height%20Comparison/JordanErving.jpg

6-10ish Dirk Nowitzki and 214'5 cm(7'0.5") Pau Gasol

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/NBA7902/NBA%20Height%20Comparison/1455314.jpg

VCMVP1551

08-16-2007, 01:54 PM

2000 NBA Pre-Draft Measurements
Kenyon Martin 6'8.75"
Stromile Swift 6'9.5"
Darius Miles 6'8"
Jamal Crawford 6'4.5"
Desmond Mason 6'6"
Quentin Richardson 6'5.5"
Morris Peterson 6'6.25"
Primoz Brezec 7'0.75"
Michael Redd 6'4.75"

http://www.thehrr.com/nba/draft2000/chicago2.PDF

2001 NBA Pre-Draft Measurements
Kwame Brown 6'10"( has grown to 6'11")
Tyson Chandler 6'11.5"
Eddy Curry 6'10.5"
Jason Richardson 6'4.75"
Desagana Diop 6'10"
Joe Johnson 6'6.75"
Richard Jefferson 6'7.25"
Troy Murphy 6'9.5"
Brendan Haywood 6'11.75"(7'1.5" in shoes)
Jamaal Tinsley 6'0.75
Gilbert Arenas 6'2.25"
Zach Randolph 6'7"

http://www.thehrr.com/nba/draft2001/measurements_from_Chicago.pdf

http://canadahoops.blogspot.com/search/label/2000

Hakeem Olajuwon 6'10ish and Clyde Drexler 6-5ish

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/NBA7902/NBA%20Height%20Comparison/52969433.jpg

Scottie Pippen 6'7.5" and Penny Hardaway 6'6"

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/NBA7902/NBA%20Height%20Comparison/72146924.jpg

Manute Bol is 7'6.5" with an 8'6" wingspan!! Yao is 7'5.75", Shawn Bradley 7'5.5" and Gheorge Muresean is 7'6.5"

VCMVP1551

08-16-2007, 08:50 PM

Andrew Bynum is going to be a beast. he measured 7'0 1/4" without shoes in 2005 at 17 years and old and has said he has grown a 3/4 inch since.

[QUOTE]Bynum was quite possibly the biggest snub for the physicals at the Chicago Pre-Draft Camp, but has really put up some impressive numbers for a player of his size in his private workouts. “I measured out at 7’0

clipps

08-16-2007, 09:46 PM

luigi>mario

08-16-2007, 09:48 PM

VCMVP1551

08-16-2007, 11:09 PM

I heard Bynum's max in his rookie season was only 135, which is really bad for a player his size. And then his second season, he raised it to 250... Which is better, but still pretty bad for an NBA center. I heard it from one of Ralph Lawler's conversations with Mike Smith during a Clipper/Laker game. Ralph and Mike rarely exsagerate.

He has gotten in much better shape since entering the league. He was 7'0 1/4" and 310 pounds when he was drafted but he is now 7'1" and 285 and much stronger.

Bigboi450

08-16-2007, 11:24 PM

:sleeping

VCMVP1551

08-16-2007, 11:32 PM

I have always wished the NBA would have a seasonal weigh/ measure in and not let the players bs on it. I would like an authoritative statement on all of em, height (no shoes), wing span, weight...it might get too far, but body fat would be interesting too.

I agree. I don't know why they don't list them at their real heights and don't include wingspans which are just as important.

2002
Yao Ming 7'5" although the Rockets claim he was actually measured 7'5.5"...just a 7'4.75" wingspan!
Drew Gooden 6'8.75"
Nene Hilario 6'9.5"
Chris Wilcox 6'8.25"
Amare Stoudemire 6'8.5"(grown to 6'9.25')
Caron Butler 6'5.25"
Carlos Boozer 6'7.75"(6'9.5" in shoes)
Udonis Haslem 6'6.75"
Smuth Parker 6'2.5" 6'10" wingspan

I was suprised at Butler and Stoudemire's measurements

http://www.nbadraft.net/2002predraftmeasurements.htm

2003
Lebron James 6'7.25"(grown to 6'8")
Darko Milicic 6'11.5"
Carmelo Anthony 6'6.25"
Chris Bosh 6'10.25"
Dwyane Wade 6'3.75", 6'10.75" wingspan.
Chris Kaman 6'11.75"
Kirk Hinrich 6'2.75"
T.J. Ford 5'11"
David West 6'8.25"
Josh Howard 6'5.25" 7'2" wingspan
Luke Walton 6'7.75"
Maurice Williams 6'0.75"

http://canadahoops.blogspot.com/search/label/2000

http://collegebasketballnews.scout.com/2/115362.html

btw Boris Diaw is 6'7.5"

Jasper

08-16-2007, 11:50 PM

I was 5'11" ,but now I'm 5'9" 1/2
nice thread , it can be used for the next measured thread for the next off season. :applause:

Shaq said once Yao was 8'....

VCMVP1551

08-17-2007, 12:26 AM

2004 NBA Pre-Draft Measurements
Dwight Howard 6'9" 7'4.5" wingspan
Emeka Okafor 6'8.75" 7'4" wingspan
Ben Gordon 6'1"
Shaun Livingston 6'6.25"
Luol Deng 6'7"
Andre Iguodala 6'5.75"
Al Jefferson 6'8.25"
Josh Smith 6'7"
J.R. Smith 6'5.5"
Jameer Nelson 5'11"
Trevor Ariza 6'7

http://www.nbadraft.net/2004measurements.asp

2005 NBA Pre-Draft Measurements
Andrew Bogut 6'11"
Marvin Williams 6'7"
Deron Williams 6'1.75"
Chris Paul 5'11.75"
Raymond Felton 5'11.5"
Charlie Villanueva 6'9"
Channing Frye 6'9.5"
Danny Granger 6'7.5"
Gerald Green 6'6"
Nate Robinson 5'7.75"
Jason Maxiell 6'5"
David Lee- 6'7.75"
Monta Ellis 6'2.25"
Chuck Hayes 6'5.5"

http://www.insidehoops.com/chicago-camp-measurements.shtml

abuC

08-17-2007, 01:02 AM

I dont really care about height without shoes, simply because these guys dont play barefoot.

statman32

08-17-2007, 01:08 AM

Remove every picture from this thread and It would be interesting. Right now it hurts the eyes.

VCMVP1551

08-17-2007, 01:18 AM

I dont really care about height without shoes, simply because these guys dont play barefoot.

Take a guy 6'1" put him in basketball shoes. The shoes make him 6'2" but he is not 6'2 because. You can take a 6'1" guy and put him in boots and the boots will make hm close to 6'4" but he still wouldn't be 6'4". Some NBA players are listed barefoot, some heights are just inflated and some are listed in shoes.

VCMVP1551

08-17-2007, 01:19 AM

Remove every picture from this thread and It would be interesting. Right now it hurts the eyes.

No pictures on this page

statman32

08-17-2007, 01:23 AM

No pictures on this page
and it doesn't look too bad. Not sure how interested you are in this stuff but maybe you can just list players from there draft classes so it looks a little more organized. Maybe even make a spreadsheet and organze them by draft class and height. Thats if you are bored. Just trying to help.

VCMVP1551

08-17-2007, 01:24 AM

and it doesn't look too bad. Not sure how interested you are in this stuff but maybe you can just list players from there draft classes so it looks a little more organized. Maybe even make a spreadsheet and organze them by draft class and height. Thats if you are bored. Just trying to help.

Nah wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too lazy. I always wondered what Patrick Ewing's wingspan was..looks like 7'10"!

White Chocolate

08-17-2007, 01:39 AM

I find it funny that I'm taller than Steve Nash. These guys seem like larger than life figures, yet I'm about the same height or slightly taller than the average PG.

VCMVP1551

08-17-2007, 01:49 AM

2007 NBA Pre-Draft Measurements
Greg Oden 6'11"
Kevin Durant 6'9"
Al Horford 6'8.75"
Mike Conley 5'11.75"
Jeff Green 6'7.75"
Yi Jianlian 6'11"(Private Workout)
Corey Brewer 6'6.75"
Brandan Wright 6'8.75"
Spencer Hawes 6'10.5"...7'0.75" in shoes!
Acie Law 6'2"
Julian Wright 6'6.5"
Al Thorton 6'5.75"
Glen "Big Baby" Davis 6'7.75" 289 pounds(Private workout)

http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=ford_chad

VCMVP1551

08-17-2007, 01:51 AM

I find it funny that I'm taller than Steve Nash. These guys seem like larger than life figures, yet I'm about the same height or slightly taller than the average PG.

Yeah I knew there was no way Nash was 6'3" like the NBA lists him. Iverson is only 3/4 of an inch below his listed height.

VCMVP1551

08-17-2007, 02:15 AM

in 1987 Scottie Pippen measured 6'7.5" without shoes, 212 pounds and has a 7'3" wingspan.

"Scottie Pippen is 6-7 1/2, 212 pounds

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=CSTB&p_theme=cstb&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0EB36D73138084E6&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM

abuC

08-17-2007, 11:12 AM

Take a guy 6'1" put him in basketball shoes. The shoes make him 6'2" but he is not 6'2 because. You can take a 6'1" guy and put him in boots and the boots will make hm close to 6'4" but he still wouldn't be 6'4". Some NBA players are listed barefoot, some heights are just inflated and some are listed in shoes.

That's nice, but players have shoes on when they play, that's the height that actually matters. Last I checked, nobody in the NBA has ever played while wearing boots or barefooted, just sneakers.

VCMVP1551

08-17-2007, 05:08 PM

That's nice, but players have shoes on when they play, that's the height that actually matters. Last I checked, nobody in the NBA has ever played while wearing boots or barefooted, just sneakers.

In any case the height listings are obviously strange because some players are listed barefoot. Shaq's height in shoes would be 7'3". You have Dirk and Shaq listed just an inch apart but then you see them stand near eachother and Shaq has 3 inches on Dirk. Same with Kevin Garnett who is listed his barefoot height which is why people think he is so much taller.

2006 Pre-Draft measurements
Lamarcus Aldridge 6'10", 7'4.75" wingspan
Adam Morrison 6'6.5"
Tyrus Thomas 6'7.25", 7'3" wingspan
Brandon Roy 6'5.25"
Randy Foye 6'2.25"
Rudy Gay 6'7", 7'3" wingspan
Mouhamed Saer Sene 6'11", 7'8.5" wingspan
Marcus Williams 6'2"

http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1348

yobore

08-17-2007, 08:41 PM

lol I know for a fact that Felton (5' 11 1/2) is taller than Paul (5'11 3/4).

VCMVP1551

08-17-2007, 09:41 PM

lol I know for a fact that Felton (5' 11 1/2) is taller than Paul (5'11 3/4).

No you are wrong. They are 1/4 of an inch different though.

Wonder Bread Kid

08-18-2007, 01:05 AM

Mike Bibby isnt't 6'1, he's closer to 5'10. Dude was on Leno a few years ago and was shoulder to shoulder eye to eye with Jay Leno.

Tony Parker is closer to 6'1 than 6'2 and I know this from personal experience in meeting Parker.

And enough with the posting pictures of NBA players standing next to or near another player to compare heights. In many of those pictures one player is slumped down, bent a bit, etc or the players are at angles that create an illusion.

VCMVP1551

08-18-2007, 01:06 AM

Wonder Bread Kid

08-18-2007, 01:09 AM

Bibby is 6'1" he was even listed at 6'2" for a while. You are right about Parker though.

Dude, find tape of his appearance on Leno, they were eye sight to eye sight. Leno is 5'10. No way would they even be that close to height if Bibby was a legit 6'1 or 6'2.

VCMVP1551

08-18-2007, 01:14 AM

Dude, find tape of his appearance on Leno, they were eye sight to eye sight. Leno is 5'10. No way would they even be that close to height if Bibby was a legit 6'1 or 6'2.

Look at this Mike Bibby with 5'11" Bobby Jackson.

Bibby is 6'1" just like he was measured.

Wonder Bread Kid

08-18-2007, 01:19 AM

Seeing as how Bobby Jackson is also listed at 6'1 someplaces just reaffirms the notion that you should "NEVER BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ ON THE INTERNET."

VCMVP1551

08-18-2007, 01:20 AM

Seeing as how Bobby Jackson is also listed at 6'1 someplaces just reaffirms the notion that you should "NEVER BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ ON THE INTERNET."

Jackson was measured 5'11" Bibby is clearly taller.

Wonder Bread Kid

08-18-2007, 01:24 AM

Wonder Bread Kid

08-18-2007, 01:29 AM

You even posted this:

If they aren't smoked out at the pre-draft camp, padded heights get exposed at USA Basketball team trials. It was in the run-up to the 1992 Olympics that the world finally learned what the cognoscenti had long suspected -- that Charles Barkley was more like 6-4 5/8 than 6-6

VCMVP1551

08-18-2007, 01:31 AM

My god man... I'm not sure what your obsession with NBA players heights is but please stop using pre-draft heights. They're not realiable in the least.

One example, Elton Brand. You say he was pre-draft listed ay 6'7-1/2 yet Sean Elliot commented that the first time he saw Brand in person with the Clippers he was shocked at how short he was, saying he would barely give him 6'5.

Sean Elliot was probably joking. Mutombo joked Ewing was 6'9".

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/NBA7902/NBA%20Height%20Comparison/51473204.jpg

Corey Maggette, 6'6", Shaun Livingston 6'6.25" and Elton Brand 6'7.5"

If Elton Brand is 6'5" then Maggette and Livingston are under 6'4"

Wonder Bread Kid

08-18-2007, 01:45 AM

Sean Elliot was probably joking. Mutombo joked Ewing was 6'9".

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x274/VCMVP1551/51473204.jpg

Corey Maggette, 6'6", Shaun Livingston 6'6 1/4" and Elton Brand 6'7 1/2"

If Elton Brand is 6'5" then Maggette and Livingston are under 6'4"

Is that so hard to believe? You have Jordan and Kobe listed at 6'5 almost 6'6 yet Jordan and Barkley are basically the exact same height and Barkley is listed at 6'4.

Your method of posting media day pictures and using pre-draft or NBA.com heights to compare players isn't very reliable, sorry.

VCMVP1551

08-18-2007, 01:47 AM

Is that so hard to believe? You have Jordan and Kobe listed at 6'5 almost 6'6 yet Jordan and Barkley are basically the exact same height and Barkley is listed at 6'4.

Your method of posting media day pictures and using pre-draft or NBA.com heights to compare players isn't very reliable, sorry.

I never use NBA.com heights and yes my method is reliable. Barkley was measured 6'4 5/8" which is pretty much 6'5" so Jordan's 6'5.5" height makes sense because he is a tiny bit taller than Barkley.

Wonder Bread Kid

08-18-2007, 01:52 AM

But hey, I'll get in on your method, if to prove you're wrong about Elton's height.

http://www.nba.com/media/allstar2006/europelive_021806.jpg

Elton Brand, 6'7 in your eyes, is standing a foot away from 6'5 Shawn Marion. Elton does look a little bit taller, a little bit.... notice Elton's heels, he's cheating! :roll: He's trying to tip toe his way to a taller height.

Wonder Bread Kid

08-18-2007, 01:54 AM

I never use NBA.com heights and yes my method is reliable. Barkley was measured 6'4 5/8" which is pretty much 6'5" so Jordan's 6'5 1/2" height makes sense because he is a tiny bit taller than Barkley.

6'4 5/8 compared to 6'5 and a half is nearly an ince of difference. Jordan and Barkley are identical to each other. Hell, in some pictures, it looks like Sir Charles is taller than his airness.

VCMVP1551

08-18-2007, 01:55 AM

VCMVP1551

08-18-2007, 01:58 AM

6'4 5/8 compared to 6'5 and a half is nearly an ince of difference. Jordan and Barkley are identical to each other. Hell, in some pictures, it looks like Sir Charles is taller than his airness.

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/NBA7902/NBA%20Height%20Comparison/JordanBarkley.jpg

Jordan is taller than Barkley

Wonder Bread Kid

08-18-2007, 02:01 AM

Marion and him aren't even standing side by side Marion is behind Brand and Duncan is on his toes too. It is possible Marion grew too.

Forget the distance between the two, use the background as the measuring stick.

And yes, Marion continued to grow even years after the body basically stops growing. Good one.

Look, I know you like to go around using this method, you've been on countless sites under other names obsessed with this method and heights. Hell you have a photobucket account dedicated entirely to hosting NBA players side by side pictures. What are you overcompensating for?

Wonder Bread Kid

08-18-2007, 02:02 AM

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x274/VCMVP1551/jordanbarkley.jpg

Jordan is taller than Barkley

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x274/VCMVP1551/34zeykm.jpg

Jordan and 6'6" Julius Erving

Of course they are, do you have no concept of what an optical illusion is? None whatsoever it seems.

VCMVP1551

08-18-2007, 02:06 AM

Forget the distance between the two, use the background as the measuring stick.

And yes, Marion continued to grow even years after the body basically stops growing. Good one.

Look, I know you like to go around using this method, you've been on countless sites under other names obsessed with this method and heights. Hell you have a photobucket account dedicated entirely to hosting NBA players side by side pictures. What are you overcompensating for?

I only use this name and I only use the photobucket account because you can't post gettyimages without uploading them on that type of site first. Any other questions? lebron23 is the other person who posts about this. You came to this thread saying Brand was 6'5" and Bibby is 5'10" which isn't true so i posted stuff to back up my argument.

VCMVP1551

08-18-2007, 02:06 AM

Of course they are, do you have no concept of what an optical illusion is? None whatsoever it seems.

Wow they are standing right next to eachother!

Wonder Bread Kid

08-18-2007, 02:10 AM

You came to this thread saying Brand was 6'5" and Bibby is 5'10" which isn't true so i posted stuff to back up my argument.

You're right, you backed it up so well.

Forget the 1) Bibby on Leno and them being the same height. I've meet Leno, he's 5'10. 2) Former NBA players first hand account of Brand. And no, he wasn't joking.

But all that is overrode by your incredible player line ups. :hammerhead:

Wonder Bread Kid

08-18-2007, 02:13 AM

Wow they are standing right next to eachother!

They are? Shoulder to shoulder? Back to back? Yeah, no. Dr. J is behind Jordan and Jordan is to the side and a bit in front of Barkley. Creatling preceptions that their heights are similar, higher or shorter.

VCMVP1551

08-18-2007, 02:13 AM

You're right, you backed it up so well.

Forget the 1) Bibby on Leno and them being the same height. I've meet Leno, he's 5'10. 2) Former NBA players first hand account of Brand. And no, he wasn't joking.

But all that is overrode by your incredible player line ups. :hammerhead:

Give me a link to Elliot saying that and then Explain how Brand is clearly over an inch taller than Maggette and Livingston.

Lebron23

08-18-2007, 02:14 AM

It is very difficult to compare height when the other player is wearing thick shoes, just what DA KO KING said in the other thread that Wizards Center Spencer Haywood wear a 2.25 " Air Sox in his NBA Pre Draft Measurement to appear as a 7'1.

Just look at this set of picture you can see that Wade is wearing a much thicker shoes so that he can appear as tall as Butler.

Caron Butler is 6'5 1/4 while Dwayne Wade is 6'3 3/4.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/CaronandWade.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/CaronandWade2.jpg

To Wonder Boy, Do you watch the Jay Leno Show his flatform is not balance which give the illusion that he is taller than 5'10. MIke Bibby is a proven 6'1 and this guy does not wear lifts or elevator shoes because when he play basketball it will probably break his ankle.

VCMVP1551

08-18-2007, 02:15 AM

It is very difficult to compare height when the other player is wearing thick shoes, just what DA KO KING said in the other thread that Wizards Center Spencer Haywood wear a 2.25 " Air Sox in his NBA Pre Draft Measurement to appear as a 7'1.

Just look at this set of picture you can see that Wade is wearing a much thicker shoes so that he can appear as tall as Butler.

Caron Butler is 6'5 1/4 while Dwayne Wade is 6'3 3/4.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/CaronandWade.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/CaronandWade2.jpg

Good post Caron is also slouching while Wade is standing straight making them seem the same height.

Wonder Bread Kid

08-18-2007, 02:16 AM

Give me a link to Elliot saying that and then Explain how Brand is clearly over an inch taller than Maggette and Livingston.

It was a pre-game radio show from 2001. I doubt I could find it. Maggette and Livingston I doubt are the heights you list and who's to say Mr. Brand isn't tip toeing or pulling a Barkley/mug shot on us.

Wonder Bread Kid

08-18-2007, 02:19 AM

Good post Caron is also slouching while Wade is standing straight making them seem the same height.

Caron isn't slouching in the first picture, he's slightly leaning to his left a bit but not enough to create a difference.

THere's so many things/tricks these athletes use/do to create the illusion of a height they deem something they need.

VCMVP1551

08-18-2007, 02:19 AM

It was a pre-game radio show from 2001. I doubt I could find it. Maggette and Livingston I doubt are the heights you list and who's to say Mr. Brand isn't tip toeing or pulling a Barkley/mug shot on us.

lol I saw Barkley's mugshot he must have been wearing boots or something. Livingston is listed at 6'7" and measured 6'6 1/4" while Maggette measured 6'6". That is the point of the measurements so teams can see what the players real heights are i doubt those measurements are false. You talk about illusions the picture of Brand and Marion could be one. Livingstgon was also hyped as a Penny Hardaway/Magic Johnson type of tall PG I doubt that would have happened if we was 6'4" or less.

VCMVP1551

08-18-2007, 02:20 AM

Caron isn't slouching in the first picture, he's slightly leaning to his left a bit but not enough to create a difference.

THere's so many things/tricks these athletes use/do to create the illusion of a height they deem something they need.

Like Lebron23 said Wade could be wearing big shoes.

Wonder Bread Kid

08-18-2007, 02:26 AM

Like Lebron23 said Wade could be wearing big shoes.

Exactly, a trick to cause an illusion of greater height.

Just look at Barkley's mug shot, it has him at 6'6 yet he isn't 6'6, if Barkley can make that happen this agin just reaffirms your theory/method flawed beyond belief.

VCMVP1551

08-18-2007, 02:33 AM

Exactly, a trick to cause an illusion of greater height.

Just look at Barkley's mug shot, it has him at 6'6 yet he isn't 6'6, if Barkley can make that happen this agin just reaffirms your theory/method flawed beyond belief.

Caron is also leaning to his left but pictures can give you a good estimate. You can't tell exact height from pictures but they give you an estimate. NBA pre-draft measurements aren't flawed though and Bibby was measured 6'1" barefoot, Livingston was measured 6'6 1/4" barefoot, Maggette was measured 6'6" barefoot and Brand was measured 6'7 1/2" barefoot. Chicago's gm also said Brand measured over 6'8" in shoes I could find a link if you don't believe me.

Lebron23

08-18-2007, 02:36 AM

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/BobbyandBibby2.jpg

Mike Bibby is 6'1 and Bobby Jackson is 5'11

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/BobbyandBibby.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/BobbyandBibby.jpg

6'5 Ron Artest and 6'1 Mike Bibby

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/WellsandBibby.jpg

6'5 Bonzi Wells and 6'1 Mike Bibby

This is how to measured height in a picture

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/bloom1.jpg

From the top of someone's head (excluding hair which doesn't count when measuring people) to the middle of their eye equates to roughly 4.5ish inches. This is assuming the head is not tilted but it's a good guage to use. If the head is tilted down a little it can look around 5 inches in photos with hair aswell.

From the middle of their eye to the bottom lip is roughly 3 inches, and another 2 inches of chin

from top top of the head up to your chin is 9 - 9.5 inches.

wally_world

08-18-2007, 02:37 AM

if that's true Wally would be taller than Elton Brand! 0.o

VCMVP1551

08-18-2007, 02:38 AM

if that's true Wally would be taller than Elton Brand! 0.o

Wally is 6'7.5" and Brand is 6'8.25"

Lebron23

08-18-2007, 02:48 AM

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/KGandDUNCAN-1.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/KGandYao-1.jpg

Kevin Garnett 6'11 1/4, 6'10 Tim Duncan and 7'5 Yao Ming.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/DuncanandRobinson.jpg

6'10 Tim Duncan and 7'0 David Robinson

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/OdenandRobinson-2.jpg

6'11 Greg Oden and 7'0 David Robinson

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/DesmondandRedd2.jpg

6'6 Desmond Mason and 6'4 3/4 Michael Redd

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/DirkandNash.jpg

6'10 Dirk Nowitzki and 6'1 Steve Nash

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/TmacandTD3.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/TMacandTD2.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/T-macandTD.jpg

6'6 1/4 T-Mac and 6'10 Tim Duncan

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/DwightHowardandJameerNelson.jpg

5'11 Jameer Nelson and 6'9 Dwight Howard

VCMVP1551

08-18-2007, 02:59 AM

Duncan is 6'10.5"

I am starting to think Ewing might only be 6'9"

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/NBA7902/NBA%20Height%20Comparison/72280376.jpg

7'1" Shaquille O'Neal looks 4 inches taller

hippos

08-18-2007, 03:01 AM

45 nincyhes plojhg.

VCMVP1551

08-18-2007, 03:27 AM

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4176/is_20030611/ai_n14549297

New Jersey Nets center Jason Collins is listed at 7-feet tall in the NBA's player guide.

Truth be told, Collins needs a boost to even come close.

"In sneakers, with my orthotics, ankle braces and two pairs of socks, I'm a good 6-11 1/2," said a chuckling Collins, whose Nets trail the San Antonio Spurs 2-1 in the best-of-seven NBA Finals heading into tonight's Game 4 in New Jersey. "It's almost a joke."

Collins, who's more like 6-foot-8, isn't the only basketball player telling a tall tale.

Many NBA hopefuls exaggerate their height while in high school or college to make themselves more appealing to coaches and scouts who prefer taller players. Collins, for example, remembers the exact day he picked to experience a growth spurt.

"Media day, my junior year," the Stanford graduate said. "I told our sports information guy that I wanted to be 7 feet and it's been 7 feet ever since."

Collins isn't fooling any of his teammates.

Four-time NBA Defensive Player of the Year Dikembe Mutombo, a legitimate 7-foot-2, said he and Collins don't exactly see eye-to- eye.

"They're giving him 4 inches," Mutombo said. "There are a lot of guys who list heights that they are not."

Mutombo said Larry Johnson, the former Charlotte Hornets and New York Knicks forward, was among the most grandiose exaggerators. While at the University of Nevada-Las Vegas, Johnson was purportedly 6- foot-7. At the NBA's annual pre-draft camp, however, he barely topped 6-3.

"When guys are checked out in Chicago, it's the amazing shrinking measurement," said Marty Blake, the NBA's director of scouting.

The NBA doesn't measure players, which is probably why 1993 Most Valuable Player Charles Barkley got away with being listed at 6-foot- 6. Many who played against Barkley said he was, at most, 6- 4.

Several active players, including Philadelphia 76ers point guard Allen Iverson, are also practicing fuzzy measurement.

Officially, the league's 2001 MVP is listed at 6-foot-1.

"There's no way," Spurs forward Malik Rose said. "He's like 5- 11."

Rose, who's listed at 6-foot-7, admits to having fibbed about his height. Rose said he's actually 6-6, but felt he needed another inch or two in order to entice NBA scouts to consider an undersized forward from Drexel University.

"Nobody's going to go see a 6-6 center from a low-level Division I school so they gave me that one inch that helped," Rose said.

NBA spokesman Tim Frank said the league counts on its teams to give accurate measurements of their players, who don't necessarily need to change their height.

Victor Dolan, head of the chiropractic division at Doctors' Hospital in New York, said players can increase their height by getting measured early in the morning because vertebrae get compressed as the day progresses. A little upside-down stretching doesn't hurt, either.

"If you get measured on an inversion machine, and do it when you first wake up, maybe you could squeeze out an extra inch-and-a- half," Dolan said.

I know he was 7 feet, but Walt thought it made him look extraordinarily tall, Blake said.

Spurs veteran Steve Kerr laughed when asked which players lied most about their height. He cited the now-defunct World Basketball League, which originally permitted only players under 6-foot-5.

Kerr said aspiring NBA players, many of whom were listed at 6-8 and over, wound up honing their skills in the WBL.

They lost 4 inches in a six-month period, said Kerr, who is listed at -- and actually stands -- 6-foot-3.

Former NBA All-Star Nate Tiny Archibald, who grew up in New York, said no one he played with or against cared that he was 6-foot-1 while he was zipping past defenders on the asphalt courts.

In the city, it wasn't how tall you were, he said. It was about developing a rep.

Plenty of NBA teams will be interested in free-agent point guard Earl Boykins, who at 5-foot-5 is the shortest player in the league this season.

Boykins, who averaged 8.8 points as a reserve for the Golden State Warriors this season, said it's about time general managers and scouts abandon their bigger-is-better mentality.

The NBA is so biased toward guys that are taller, Boykins said. Either you can play or you can't.

The NBA's top official isn't about to call for league-mandated measurements of players. Commissioner David Stern, whose height isn't listed in the NBA guide but was once estimated at 5-foot-9, said the disparity between reality and hype only adds to the intrigue of the game.

If they told you the exact heights they would have to eliminate you, Stern said. It's one of the best-kept secrets in sports.>

A good article but Mutombo isn't a legit 7'2" he measured 7'1" at the Chicago pre-draft camp in 1991 and Larry Johnson isn't 6'3" he was measured 6'5.5" at the same pre-draft camp. Collins also measured 6'10.25" at the 2001 pre-draft camp not 6'8".

PK3434

08-18-2007, 11:15 AM

Any NBA player who played at UCONN is listed AT LEAST 2 inches taller than they really are. Ben Gordon is really about 5'11, Ray Allen is 6'3, Okafor is almost 6'8...Butler is shorter than listed too. Even with the draft measurements without shoes, they somehow added an inch or 2 (ex: Ben Gordon is shorter than 6'1 (without shoes measurements)...and somehow he is listed at 6'3.

20 Dimes A Game

08-18-2007, 12:05 PM

This is an interesting thread.

PP34Deuce

08-18-2007, 12:38 PM

Yea cause Rip Hamilton was listed rookie year as a 6'7 SG(Hyped as Reggie Miller) but he looks about 1 1/2 2 inches shorter then Paul Pierce when they are in the games.

White Chocolate

08-18-2007, 01:23 PM

I've seen Ben Gordon measured at 6'0" and 6'1". Kirk Hinrich is 6'2 3/4" and Gordon is a minimum of 2 inches shorter.

Lebron23

08-18-2007, 03:07 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKqFg7Tuocg&mode=related&search=

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/AmirJohnsonandRip.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/AmirandJason.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/RipandChauncey.jpg

6'7 Amir Johnson, 6'5 Rip Hamilton, legit 6'3 Chauncey Billups ( in the Video 6'9 3/4 Rasheed Wallace, 6'5 Jason Maxiell)

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/BenandDarko2.jpg http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/BenandDarko.jpg

6'7 Ben Wallace and 6'11 1/2 Darko Milicic

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/WadeandHaslem2.jpg http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/WadeandHaslem3.jpg

6'3 3/4 Dwyane Wade and 6'6 3/4 Udonis Haslem

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/ArenasandJamison2.jpg ]

6'7 3/4 Antawn Jamison and 6'2 1/4 Gilbert Arenas

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/D-MilesandCB2.jpg

6'7 3/4 Carlos Boozer and 6'0 3/4 Dajuan Wagner

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/LebronandMiles.jpg

6'8 Lebron James and 6'8 Darius Miles

Source: 1995, 1998 NBA Pre Draft Measurement and 2000-2007 NBA Pre Draft Measurement.

http://www.ibiblio.org/craig/draft/1995_draft/summary.html

http://canadahoops.blogspot.com/2007/05/nba-predraft-camp-measurements-2002.html

http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/Orlando%202007-Complete%20%20Results.xls

Duck Rodgers

08-18-2007, 03:16 PM

When I first saw Deron Williams in person last year I was shocked how small he was. I'm a legit 6'3" and I just expected him to be the same....but he was a good bit smaller...I'm surprised he even made 6'1 3/4" in those pre-draft measurements ....it doesn't seem like it when you are next to him.

blazerfan22

08-18-2007, 03:17 PM

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x274/VCMVP1551/74934530.jpg

Kevin Durant 6'9", Jeff Green 6'7 3/4", Yi Jianlian 7'0" and Greg Oden 6'11 1/2"

I don't think Yi Jianlian is taller than Greg Oden. Look at Oden's shoulders and eyes. They're higher and Greg Oden is pretty much 7'0". Half an Inch? Come on! I think Yi is probably a half inch shorter than Oden, but who cares really. They're both tall mother f?kers.

Lebron23

08-18-2007, 03:23 PM

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/MjandFrancis.jpg

Jordan has 2 inches on 6'2 1/2 Steve Francis

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x274/VCMVP1551/55873283.jpg

Tracy McGrady 6'6 1/4, Stromile Swift 6'9 1/2, Yao Ming 7'5 1/2

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x274/VCMVP1551/52577080.jpg

Tracy McGrady and Mike James about 5'11 3/4

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x274/VCMVP1551/1980427.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x274/VCMVP1551/51640697.jpg

Shaquille O'Neal 7'1 and Kevin Garnett 6'11 1/4

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x274/VCMVP1551/359255.jpg

Shaquille O'Neal 7'1 and Hakeem Olajuwon 6'10

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x274/VCMVP1551/72391196.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x274/VCMVP1551/51960408.jpg

Shaquille O'Neal 7'1, Tim Duncan 6'10

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x274/VCMVP1551/72280376.jpg

Shaq 7'1 and Patrick Ewing 6'10

Lebron23

08-18-2007, 03:32 PM

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/USADreamTeam.jpg

Jason Kidd- 6'1 3/4

Mike Miller- 6'7 1/2

Lebron James - 6'8

Carmelo Anthony- 6'6 1/4

Kobe Bryant- 6'4 3/4

Dwayne Wade- 6'3 3/4

Michael Redd- 6'4 3/4

Kirk Hinrich- 6'2 3/4

Deron Williams- 6'1 3/4

Chauncey Billups - 6'3

JJ Reddick- 6'4

Brad Miller- 6'11

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/USADreamteam2.jpg

Elton Brand- 6'7 1/2
Antawn Jamison - 6'7 3/4
Dwight Howard- 6'9
Joe Johnson- 6'6 3/4
Shane Battier- 6'8 1/4
Chris Paul - 5'11 3/4

http://www.nba.com/media/celtics/121503_Heroes.jpg

6'11 1/4 Kevin Garnett and 6'6 Paul Pierce

http://images.allposters.com/images/PHOTOFILE/AADV037.jpg

Kevin Garnett 6'11 1/4 and 6'7 1/2 Wally Sczerbiak

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/DirkandDuncan.jpg

6'10 Dirk Nowitzki and 6'10 Tim Duncan

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/RodmanandRobinson.jpg

6'6 Dennis Rodman and 7'0 David Robinson

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/MaloneandGReg.jpg

7'0 Greg Ostertag and 6'8 Karl Malone

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/LatrellandKG.jpg

Kevin Garnett 6'11 1/4 and 6'4 Latrell Sprewell

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/GrantandJordan.jpg

6'7 Grant Hill and 6'4 Michael Jordan

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/GrantandT-mac.jpg

Grant Hill 6'7 and 6'6 1/4 Tracy Mcgrady

VCMVP1551

08-18-2007, 04:02 PM

Amir Johnson was actually measured at 6'9" and Jordan has atleast 3 inches on Francis.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/MjandFrancis.jpg

Yi must wear big shoes because he is 7'1" in shoes i've seen him at 212 cm(6'11 1/2" on the National team rosters so maybe he is that height.

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/NBA7902/NBA%20Height%20Comparison/JordanPippen.jpg

Michael Jordan 6'4 7/8", Scottie Pippen 6'7.5"

gb8

08-18-2007, 06:57 PM

Nice topic. Whats the average heights for each position?

VCMVP1551

08-18-2007, 07:27 PM

Nice topic. Whats the average heights for each position?

I don't know every players barefoot height. A guess for shooting guards would be 6'5", Point guards 6'1 1/2", small forwards 6'6", power forwards 6'8 1/2" and centers 6'11". That is just my opinion not official information but those sound right to me.

White Chocolate

08-18-2007, 09:34 PM

I don't know every players barefoot height. A guess for shooting guards would be 6'5", Point guards 6'1 1/2", small forwards 6'6", power forwards 6'8 1/2" and centers 6'11". That is just my opinion not official information but those sound right to me.

I believe the average player is 6'7", which is really 6'6". I'm not sure what the average height is for each position.

VCMVP1551

08-18-2007, 09:49 PM

I believe the average player is 6'7", which is really 6'6". I'm not sure what the average height is for each position.

Hard to say the actual average 6'5 1/2"-6'6" sounds right.

abuC

08-19-2007, 12:13 AM

I never use NBA.com heights and yes my method is reliable. Barkley was measured 6'4 5/8" which is pretty much 6'5" so Jordan's 6'5 1/2" height makes sense because he is a tiny bit taller than Barkley.

This method is not reliable, you're using heights without shoes, yet posting pics of players who are wearing sneakers (and dress shoes in some cases). Their heights are not accurate because you're not using their height with shoes, you cannot say it's reliable because shoes present a variable that you are just ignoring. Every last player is going to be slightly taller than the heights you're posting, just looking at the without shoes/shoes heights, there's a difference in even the types of sneakers where some players are gaining an inch and 2 to 3 quarters.

Not all the shoes add the same height, so posting pics of players next to each other isnt really a great way of judging height, unless they're wearing the same exact brand of sneakers.

VCMVP1551

08-19-2007, 02:03 AM

This method is not reliable, you're using heights without shoes, yet posting pics of players who are wearing sneakers (and dress shoes in some cases). Their heights are not accurate because you're not using their height with shoes, you cannot say it's reliable because shoes present a variable that you are just ignoring. Every last player is going to be slightly taller than the heights you're posting, just looking at the without shoes/shoes heights, there's a difference in even the types of sneakers where some players are gaining an inch and 2 to 3 quarters.

Not all the shoes add the same height, so posting pics of players next to each other isnt really a great way of judging height, unless they're wearing the same exact brand of sneakers.

With the exception of some huge shoes like Spencer Hawes most shoes add from 3/4 of an inch to an inch and 3/4. In the picture of T-Mac and Kobe back to back you can see their shoes.

VCMVP1551

08-19-2007, 04:46 AM

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/NBA7902/NBA%20Height%20Comparison/LebronandTracy.jpg

Tracy McGrady 6'6.5" with Lebron James who is 6'7.25"

Wo1fshadow

08-19-2007, 04:47 AM

does it really matter?

Lebron23

08-19-2007, 09:38 AM

Wow, Tracy McGrady is 6'6 now? I've seen many people claim that he's 6'10, seriously..

And does anyone know Charles Barkley's REAL height. This seems to be one of the biggest mystieries in sports. I've heard everything from 6'4 to 6'8.

I really do not know Charles Barkley's height he was once measured at 6'4 in the 1992 USA Olympics while in the 1984 NBA Draft he was listed at 6'4 5/8. I think he looks always like a solid 6'5 in the NBA ALL Star game when he compete with referee (5'10) Dick Bavetta.

fefe

08-19-2007, 10:14 AM

Lebron23

08-19-2007, 10:28 AM

Dirk's and T-Mac's heights are seriously underrated in this topic, and even the pictures show that.
T-Mac is clearly taller than Grant Hill while Nowitzki is taller than Duncan.

Going by the pics I say T-Mac is about 6'7" 1/2, while Dirk is 6'11" 1/2 barefoot.

Dirk Nowitzki was measured at 6'10 in the 1998 NBA Draft at the age of 20 yrs.old. I do not know if he had grown an inch or 2 but definitely he is not a legit 7 footer.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/ShawnandDirk.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/DirkandED.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/DirkAndED2.jpg

7'6 Shawn Bradley, 6'11 Erick Dampier, 6'10 Dirk Nowitzki and 6'11 Calvin Booth

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/DirkandBen.jpg

6'10 Dirk Nowitzki and 6'7 Ben Wallace ( Looks taller with his Afro)

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/DirkandNash2.jpg

6'10 Dirk Nowitzki and 6'1 Steve Nash

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/T-macandDeke.jpg

7'1 Dikembe Mutombo and 6'6 1/4 Tracy Mcgrady

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/HakeemandTracy.jpg

6'10 Hakeem Olajuwon and 6'6 1/4 Tracy Mcgrady

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/YaoMingandHakeem.jpg

Hakeem Olajuwon 6'10 and 7'5 Yao Ming

Tracy Mcgrady always looks like 6'6 1/4 every time i see him with taller NBA Players.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/YaoandShaq2.jpg

7'5 Yao Ming and 7'1 Shaquille O'neal

JohnnyBravo5

08-19-2007, 11:49 AM

http://www.nba.com/media/hawks/jersey_gallery_070307_3.jpg

"6'10" Al Horford and "6'4" Acie Law

abuC

08-19-2007, 12:31 PM

With the exception of some huge shoes like Spencer Hawes most shoes add from 3/4 of an inch to an inch and 3/4. In the picture of T-Mac and Kobe back to back you can see their shoes.

The average is about and inch, the high end is just under 2 inches in difference @ an inch and 3/4th.

It's not a matter of seeing their shoes, the fact is they wear different shoes, so the height without shoes measurement doesnt even matter, because the padding in each shoe could be different.

Also, another flaw is a lot of if not most of these heights are from Pre-draft, are you telling me 18-20 year olds just stop growing, especially ones that are abnormally tall to begin with? This is not accurate and certainly not reliable in anyway.

Lebron23

08-19-2007, 12:38 PM

The average is about and inch, the high end is just under 2 inches in difference @ an inch and 3/4th.

It's not a matter of seeing their shoes, the fact is they wear different shoes, so the height without shoes measurement doesnt even matter, because the padding in each shoe could be different.

Also, another flaw is a lot of if not most of these heights are from Pre-draft, are you telling me 18-20 year olds just stop growing, especially ones that are abnormally tall to begin with? This is not accurate and certainly not reliable in anyway.

Some of the NBA players have a late growth spurt after they were measured in the NBA Draft Camp.

Example

Lebron James who is measured at 6'7 1/4 in the 2003 NBA Draft camp but looks like a legit 6'8 now.

Kevin Garnett was measured at 6'10 in the 1995 NBA Draft Camp and admit in an interview to Craig Sager that he was 6'11 1/4 almost close to 7 ft in his shoes.

Andrew Bynum was reportedly measured at 7'0 1/4 in the 2005 NBA Draft but according to the LAKERS.net he is now a solid 7'1.

I also sent a PM to VCMVP1551 a few days ago to stick on the NBA Pre Draft Measurement in the NBA Draft Board instead of creating another topic in the Main Forum.

VCMVP1551

08-19-2007, 02:39 PM

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08-19-2007, 04:15 PM

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x274/VCMVP1551/LebronandTracy.jpg
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/GrantandT-mac.jpg
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x274/VCMVP1551/55873283.jpg
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x274/VCMVP1551/1804292-1.jpg
http://www.batug.com/tmac_hill.jpg
http://tmac1.sport24.com/images/mn/1126033286.jpg
http://www.nba.com/media/tmacvc_041103_320.jpg
http://www.nba.com/media/tmacvc_000423_320.jpg

T-Mac>=6'7"

VCMVP1551

08-19-2007, 10:23 PM

Why did you post those it shows T-Mac shorter than Grant Hill, Lebron james and Stromile Swift and barely taller than Kobe.

T-Mac is 6'6.5" at the most! He is barely taller than 6'5.5" Vince Carter.

VCMVP1551

08-20-2007, 03:35 AM

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/NBA7902/NBA%20Height%20Comparison/Ray%20Allen%20and%20Rashard%20Lewis/RayRashard4.jpg
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/NBA7902/NBA%20Height%20Comparison/Ray%20Allen%20and%20Rashard%20Lewis/RayRashard3.jpg
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/NBA7902/NBA%20Height%20Comparison/Ray%20Allen%20and%20Rashard%20Lewis/RayRashard2.jpg
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/NBA7902/NBA%20Height%20Comparison/Ray%20Allen%20and%20Rashard%20Lewis/RayRashard.jpg

Rashard Lewis 6'8.5", Ray Allen 6'5"

VCMVP1551

08-20-2007, 04:37 PM

Grant Hill 6'8", Amare Stoudemire 6'9.25"

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/NBA7902/NBA%20Height%20Comparison/AmareHill.jpg

VCMVP1551

08-21-2007, 02:06 AM

http://www.nba.com/media/hawks/jersey_gallery_070307_3.jpg

"6'10" Al Horford and "6'4" Acie Law

What are you talking about? Horford is 6'8.75" and Law is 6'2"

JohnnyBravo5

08-21-2007, 11:03 AM

What are you talking about? Horford is 6'8 3/4" and Law is 6'2"

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x274/VCMVP1551/1944734.jpg

Lamar Odom is 6'10" and Elton Brand is 6'7 1/2"

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x274/VCMVP1551/51453318.jpg

Ron Artest 6'5", Reggie Miller 6'6"

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x274/VCMVP1551/52736284.jpg

6'11 1/4" Kevin Garnett, 6'8 1/2" Amare Stoudemire

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x274/VCMVP1551/73364015.jpg

Dirk Nowitzki 6'10", Josh Howard 6'5 1/4"

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x274/VCMVP1551/74250137.jpg

Shawn Marion 6'5" and Tim Duncan 6'10"

That is why I put Horford and Acie's height in quotation marks

VCMVP1551

08-22-2007, 12:13 AM

That is why I put Horford and Acie's height in quotation marks

Oh well Horford's height isn't off by that much. Just 1 1/4 inch. 6'8"-6'9" is perfect height for a power forward.

VCMVP1551

08-22-2007, 10:09 AM

Despite being measured 6'7" in the 2004 pre-draft camp Josh Smith is clearly about 6'8" now...same with Lebron who was measured 6'7.25" but is taller than that now.

SRZ66

08-22-2007, 01:37 PM

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x274/VCMVP1551/52222852.jpg

Shawn Marion 6'5", Kobe Bryant 6'5 1/2", Amare Stoudemire 6'8 1/2", Kevin Garnett 6'11 1/4", Yao Ming 7'5 1/2", Dirk Nowitzki 6'10", Tim Duncan 6'10", Rashard Lewis 6'9", Tracy McGrady 6'6 1/4"

yea, kobe is clearly 1/2'' taller than marion

VCMVP1551

08-22-2007, 01:38 PM

yea, kobe is clearly 1/2'' taller than marion

You can't tell by that angle but on the first page you can see Kobe clearly taller than 6'4 3/4" Michael Redd

SRZ66

08-22-2007, 01:38 PM

http://www.nba.com/media/suns/camp04_nashkerr_041005.jpg

VCMVP1551

08-22-2007, 01:39 PM

http://www.nba.com/media/suns/camp04_nashkerr_041005.jpg

Nash 6'1" and Kerr 6'3"?

SRZ66

08-22-2007, 01:40 PM

Nash 6'1" and Kerr 6'3"?
yea, looks about right. i always thought nash was taller though

VCMVP1551

08-22-2007, 01:43 PM

yea, looks about right. i always thought nash was taller though

He was measured 6'1" barefoot and 187 pounds in 1996. he never looked 6'3" to me. I heard Kerr was a legit 6'3" and he looks it.

VCMVP1551

08-23-2007, 01:18 AM

Some FIBA listings are hard to understand

Player NBA listing FIBA Listing Real Height
Carmelo Anthony 6'8" 6'9" 6'6.25"
Tyson Chandler 7'1" 6'11" 6'11.5'
Dwight Howard 6'11" 6'11" 6'9"
Lebron James 6'8" 6'8" 6'7.25"

FIBA has Pau Gasol at 215 cm/7'1"/254 pounds I have also heard Pau is 214 cm

Lebron23

08-23-2007, 08:47 AM

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/shaqwilt-2.jpg

7'1 1/3 Wilt Chamberlain with 7'1 Shaquille O'Neal

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/8594/shaqalonzott6.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/ShaqandMo.jpg

7'1 Shaquille O'Neal with 6'9 Alonzo Mourning

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/DirkandDevin.jpg

6'1 3/4 Devin Harris and 6'10 Dirk Nowitzki

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/MJANDYAO.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/MJandYao2.jpg

6'4 3/4 Michael Jordan and 7'5 Yao Ming

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/KenyonandMELo2.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/KenyonandMELo.jpg

6'8 3/4 Kenyon Martin and 6'6 1/4 Carmelo Anthony

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/BaronandJRich.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/BaronandJRich3.jpg

6'4 3/4 Jason Richardson and 6'2 1/2 Baron Davis

Psileas

08-23-2007, 09:54 AM

7'0 1/4 Wilt Chamberlain with 7'1 Shaquille O'Neal

This pic is more interesting when you look the wider version of it. You'll see that Shaq is standing a little closer to the camera and, most importantly, that Shaq is wearing sports shoes, while Wilt is on flat shoes. Prime Wilt was a fraction over 7-1 barefoot, which would make him 7-2 1/2 with today's player measurements.

Lebron23

08-23-2007, 09:58 AM

This pic is more interesting when you look the wider version of it. You'll see that Shaq is standing a little closer to the camera and, most importantly, that Shaq is wearing sports shoes, while Wilt is on flat shoes. Wilt was a fraction over 7-1 barefoot, which would make him 7-2 1/2 with today's player measurements.

Here are the NBA Measurement of the Classic NBA Superstars

Wilt Chamberlain - 7'1 1/3
Kareem Abdul Jabbar- 7'1 5/8
Bill Russell- 6'9
Julius Erving - 6'6
Jerry West - 6'2
Rick Barry - 6'7
Mitch Cupcake- 6'9 ( LA LAKERS GM)
Magic Johnson- 6'7 1/2
Larry Bird- 6'9

20 Dimes A Game

08-23-2007, 01:46 PM

VCMVP1551

08-23-2007, 04:01 PM

Wilt's height in his prime was 7'1 1/16" and he shrunk to 7'0.5" by the mid 80's.

White Chocolate

08-23-2007, 05:34 PM

I must say Kenyon Martin is one scary looking dude. I wouldn't want to get on his bad side.

VCMVP1551

08-23-2007, 05:47 PM

I must say Kenyon Martin is one scary looking dude. I wouldn't want to get on his bad side.

I think he almost fought Corey Maggette once.

White Chocolate

08-23-2007, 06:35 PM

I think he almost fought Corey Maggette once.

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x274/VCMVP1551/1588308.jpg

Michael Jordan and Vince Carter both 6'5 1/2"

He did fight him. Cracked him in the face twice. Carter looks slightly taller than Jordan.

G-train

08-23-2007, 07:53 PM

How tall is Charles Oakley? I dont think he is the listed 6'9

VCMVP1551

08-23-2007, 07:57 PM

He did fight him. Cracked him in the face twice. Carter looks slightly taller than Jordan.

That is because Carter has better posture in the picture. Carter is standing very straight.

VCMVP1551

08-23-2007, 08:03 PM

How tall is Charles Oakley? I dont think he is the listed 6'9

I'd guess 6'7 1/2"-6'8" but I am not sure.

He is clearly shorter than 6'9.5" Alonzo Mourning.

White Chocolate

08-23-2007, 08:32 PM

I'd guess 6'7 1/2"-6'8" but I am not sure.

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x274/VCMVP1551/51659444.jpg

He is clearly shorter than 6'9" Alonzo Mourning.

If both guys aren't tilting their heads, Mourning is about an inch taller.

ReturnOfJimi

08-23-2007, 08:38 PM

why is this interesting?

Dunno, but I'm riveted.

G-train

08-23-2007, 08:45 PM

I must say Kenyon Martin is one scary looking dude. I wouldn't want to get on his bad side.

"You got to know when enough's enough. You want to rob the bank, but you better not be complainin' when you get caught. In my day, a guy who jumps that high with that many tattoos, he would've wound up sitting on the floor at least once. It's just the kind of player (Martin) is. And the kind of guy I am." - Charles Oakley post game, speaking about Kenyon Martin after Oak flagrant fouled him.

Thats a real tough guy.

White Chocolate

08-23-2007, 08:51 PM

"You got to know when enough's enough. You want to rob the bank, but you better not be complainin' when you get caught. In my day, a guy who jumps that high with that many tattoos, he would've wound up sitting on the floor at least once. It's just the kind of player (Martin) is. And the kind of guy I am." - Charles Oakley post game, speaking about Kenyon Martin after Oak flagrant fouled him.

Thats a real tough guy.

Was that during the 2001-02 season?

VCMVP1551

08-24-2007, 04:09 AM

Was that during the 2001-02 season?

Probably. Either that or 2002-2003. Anyway I'm not sure of this but I keep hearing Jordan measured 6'5" at the 1992 Olympics although I have no link to back that up. I also heard Bird measured 203 cm but I don't believe that. Also i found an article which says Alonzo Mourning is 2 1/2 inches shy of 7 feet. I don't know if that is barefoot, in shoes or just wrong.

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=RM&p_theme=rm&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0EB4E1090C82403E&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM

VCMVP1551

08-24-2007, 06:26 AM

Found these in the FIBA archives

2000 Olympics
Alonzo Mourning 6'9" 206 cm
Tim Hardaway 5'11" 180 cm
Ray Allen 6'3.5" 192 cm
Shareed Abdur-Rahim 6'7.5" 202 cm

Those are the real measurements from the 2000 Olympics

http://www.fiba.com/pages/en/events/teamsclubs/p/competitioncode/WOLYM/roundid/2945/season/2000/teamnumber/379/tc_roster.html

The players who weren't measured they just knocked 3 cm off of their listed height or used their listed height.

Lebron23

08-24-2007, 09:16 AM

Found these in the FIBA archives

2000 Olympics
Steve Smith 6'6 3/4" 200 cm
Jason Kidd 6'2 3/4 190 cm(6'3" pre-draft)
Alonzo Mourning 6'9" 206 cm
Tim Hardaway 5'11" 180 cm
Vin Baker 6'9 3/4" 207 cm
Ray Allen 6'3 1/2" 192 cm
Gary Payton 6'2 3/4" 190 cm
Shareed Abdur-Rahim 6'7 1/2" 202 cm

Those are the real measurements from the 2000 Olympics

http://www.fiba.com/pages/en/events/teamsclubs/p/competitioncode/WOLYM/roundid/2945/season/2000/teamnumber/379/tc_roster.html

Dwyane Wade 6'3 1/2" 193 cm(6'3 3/4" pre-draft)
Lebron James 6'8" 203 cm(6'7 1/4" pre-draft)
Lamar Odom 6'10" 208 cm
Richard Jefferson 6'8" 203 cm(6'7 1/4" pre-draft)

Those are the real measurements from the 2004 Olympics

http://www.fiba.com/pages/en/events/teamsclubs/p/competitioncode/WOLYM/roundid/3183/season/2004/teamnumber/379/tc_roster.html

The players who weren't measured they just knocked 3 cm off of their listed height or used their listed height.

They also listed Kevin Garnett at 2.07 M which is the equivalent of 6'9 3/4

VCMVP1551

08-24-2007, 09:21 AM

They also listed Kevin Garnett at 2.07 M which is the equivalent of 6'9 3/4

Yeah I explained that in my last post. The players they didn't measure they just knocked 3 cms off their listed height. They listed Vince Carter at 1.95 M but he measured 6'5 1/2"(1.97 M) at the 1998 pre-draft.

Lebron23

08-24-2007, 09:38 AM

Yeah I explained that in my last post. The players they didn't measure they just knocked 3 cms off their listed height. They listed Vince Carter at 1.95 M but he measured 6'5 1/2"(1.97 M) at the 1998 pre-draft.

Yeah that is one of the main reason that i believe that FIBA Guestimate the height of the NBA players after measuring one player they just completely knock off some 3 cms with out realizing that maybe some of them list their height with out shoes.

VCMVP1551

08-24-2007, 09:45 AM

Yeah that is one of the main reason that i believe that FIBA Guestimate the height of the NBA players after measuring one player they just completely knock off some 3 cms with out realizing that maybe some of them list their height with out shoes.

The heights I posted that I believe are Gary Payton's(He was also measured 1.90 M in the 1996 Olympics), Jason Kidd measured 6'3" in the 1994 pre-draft camp so it is very possible he did get measured at 6'2 3/4". The only heights I think FIBA made up are some of the ones they just knocked 3 cms off. If you have a pre-draft measurement of a player and his Olympic height go with the pre-draft measurement it is more accurate.

VCMVP1551

08-24-2007, 10:03 AM

Allan Houston actually measured a legit 6'6" and 199 pounds at the 1993 pre-draft camp. Gheorghe Muresean is 7'6.5" barefoot, Manute Bol is 7'6.75" barefoot and Shawn Bradley is 7'5.5" barefoot.

skan72

08-24-2007, 01:31 PM

At one point when Yao came into the league I remember him being listed as 7'4 somewhere, but then it changed to 7'6...anyone know the deal there?

VCMVP1551

08-24-2007, 06:29 PM

At one point when Yao came into the league I remember him being listed as 7'4 somewhere, but then it changed to 7'6...anyone know the deal there?

Yao was measured at 7'5" barefoot at the 2002 pre-draft camp. The Rockets claim that was a mistake and he was actually measured 7'5 1/2" and grew to 7'6". I don't know if that is true though.

Locked_Up_Tonight

08-24-2007, 08:22 PM

Shawn Bradley once said that there was no way Yao was 7'6" because when Bradley stood next to him, he was taller.
Nevermind. Saw part of the post.

Lebron23

08-24-2007, 08:25 PM

Shawn Bradley once said that there was no way Yao was 7'6" because when Bradley stood next to him, he was taller.

It would be nice if it would provide the links in which the data was given.

I agree with that statement because Yao does not look like a legit 7'6 when he is standing with taller guys. Bradley was at least an inch taller than Yao but Yao is absolutely the better player.

Locked_Up_Tonight

08-24-2007, 08:31 PM

Btw....

1998 NBA Pre-Draft Measurements
Michael Olowokandi 6'11 3/4"
Mike Bibby 6'1"
Antawn Jamison 6'7 3/4"
Vince Carter 6'5 1/2"
Larry Hughes 6'4 1/2"
Dirk Nowitzki 6'10"
Paul Pierce 6'6"
Matt Harpring 6'6 1/2"
Rashard Lewis 6'9"
Brad Miller 6'11"

That data on Dirk is wrong according to the website that you linked:

http://thehrr.com/Samples/june'98.pdf

* Height listed has been measured without shoes.
4. Dirk Nowitzki, DJK Wurzburg (Germany), 6

Lebron23

08-24-2007, 08:35 PM

[QUOTE=Locked_Up_Tonight]Btw....

1998 NBA Pre-Draft Measurements
Michael Olowokandi 6'11 3/4"
Mike Bibby 6'1"
Antawn Jamison 6'7 3/4"
Vince Carter 6'5 1/2"
Larry Hughes 6'4 1/2"
Dirk Nowitzki 6'10"
Paul Pierce 6'6"
Matt Harpring 6'6 1/2"
Rashard Lewis 6'9"
Brad Miller 6'11"

That data on Dirk is wrong according to the website that you linked:

http://thehrr.com/Samples/june'98.pdf

* Height listed has been measured without shoes.
4. Dirk Nowitzki, DJK Wurzburg (Germany), 6

Locked_Up_Tonight

08-24-2007, 08:45 PM

You can actually see that he is only one of those few players who are actually lists wearing his sneakers.

They also have Nesterovic listed as 7'2" in sneakers and he and Dirk see eye to eye on the court. **shrugs shoulders**

http//www.nba.com/media/mavericks/dirk042102.jpg

Their feet are the same height... and Dirk is leaning to his left but he looks just as tall if not taller than Rasho who is outstretched

You also listed Rashard Lewis at 6'9" without shes and apparently he had shoes on.....

Lebron23

08-24-2007, 08:50 PM

They also have Nesterovic listed as 7'2" in sneakers and he and Dirk see eye to eye on the court. **shrugs shoulders**

http://l.yimg.com/www.flickr.com/images/spaceball.gif

Their feet are the same height... and Dirk is leaning to his left but he looks just as tall if not taller than Rasho who is outstretched

You also listed Rashard Lewis at 6'9" without shes and apparently he had shoes on.....

I do not even believe that Rasho Nesterovic is beyond 7 ft, Check some of the picture in this thread you can actually see Eric Dampier who is 6'11 is at least 1 inch taller than Nowitzki. You can also look at the picture where 7'6 Shawn Bradley literally towers over Dirk by more than 8 inches.

Dirk and Tim Duncan are the same height both are incredible PF at 6'10.

Lebron23

08-24-2007, 09:05 PM

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/DirkandShaq2.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/DirkandShaq.jpg

Dirk Nowitzki 6'10, Tim Duncan 6'10, Shaquille O'Neal 7'1, Kevin Garnett 6'11 1/4 and 7'5 Yao Ming.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/DirkandShaq3.jpg

A closer picture of Kevin Garnett 6'11 1/4 with 6'10 Dirk Nowitzki, compare their shoulders so the angle of the picture might not deceive you.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/DuncanandBoozer.jpg

6'10 Tim Duncan and 6'7 3/4 Carlos Boozer

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/HakeemandVC.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/HakeemandVC2.jpg

6'5 1/2 Vince Carter and 6'10 Hakeem Olajuwon

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/KareemandHakeem.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/KareemandWilt.jpg

7'2 Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Wilt Chamberlain 7'1 1/16 and 6'10 Hakeem Olajuwon

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/ShaqandRussell.jpg

Shaquille O'Neal 7'1 and 6'9 Bill Russell

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/ShaneBattier.jpg

7'0 Pau Gasol, 6'8 1/4 Shane Battier, 6'7 1/2 Mike Miller.

Locked_Up_Tonight

08-24-2007, 09:29 PM

I do not even believe that Rasho Nesterovic is beyond 7 ft, Check some of the picture in this thread you can actually see Eric Dampier who is 6'11 is at least 1 inch taller than Nowitzki. You can also look at the picture where 7'6 Shawn Bradley literally towers over Dirk by more than 8 inches.

Rasho probably isn't 7'2" tall.

Walton is/was listed as 6'11"

http://origin.nba.com/media/playoffs2002/walton_nowitzki_020505.jpg

As you can see Dirk is at least an inch taller than him, even while hunching over shaking his hand.

http://www.41fan.net/images/gallery/thumbs/gallery_27.jpg

Detlef was listed as 6'10" and you can clearly see Dirk has a good two inches on him....

Lebron23

08-24-2007, 10:04 PM

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/ShawnandDirk.jpg

Eric Dampier 6'11, Shawn Bradley 7'6, Dirk Nowitzki 6'10, and 6'11 Calvin Booth

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/BillandLuke.jpg

6'7 3/4 Luke Walton and 6'10 Bill Walton

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/KG.jpg

Joe Smith 6'9 1/2, Rasho Nesterovic 6'10, 6'11 1/4 Kevin Garnett and 6'7 1/2 Wally Szcerbiak.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/Rasho.jpg

6'10 Rasho Nesterovic and 6'10 Tim Duncan

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/KGandSheed.jpg

6'9 3/4 Rasheed Wallace and 6'11 1/4 Kevin Garnett

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/BrendanandKwame.jpg

6'10 Kwame Brown and 6'11 3/4 Brendan Haywood

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/DirkandDuncan.jpg

6'10 Tim Duncan and 6'10 Dirk Nowitzki

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/KGandRicky.jpg

6'5 1/2 Ricky Davis and 6'11 1/4 Kevin Garnett

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/GeraldGreenandPaulPierce.jpg

6'6 Paul Pierce and 6'6 Gerald Green

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/KGandRussell.jpg

6'9 Bill Russell and 6'11 1/4 Kevin Garnett

Some of your photos are bad angle to judge mate because the players are either slouching or is distant apart from each other.

VCMVP1551

08-25-2007, 12:27 AM

I will answer the questions. The heights that didn't have the asterisk weren't shoes measurements they were just listed heights. Before the 1998 draft Dirk was listed 6'11" and 237 everywhere. Rasho isn't even 7'2" in shoes that is just a listed height. Rashard's was a barefoot measurement they just forgot the asterisk. Rashard wasn't listed 6'9" or 220 anywhere else. he was listed 6'10" and 215 or 205 everywhere.

Lebron23

08-25-2007, 08:20 AM

he measured 7'0 1/4" without shoes in 2005 at 17 years and old and has said he has grown a 3/4 inch since.

[B]Bynum was quite possibly the biggest snub for the physicals at the Chicago Pre-Draft Camp, but has really put up some impressive numbers for a player of his size in his private workouts.

VCMVP1551

08-25-2007, 05:44 PM

I posted that about Bynum. I think he is bigger than 7'2" in shoes. Probably 7'2.25" or 7'2.5"

VCMVP1551

08-29-2007, 10:51 AM

There is a picture where Shaq is leaning closer and still taller than Dirk.

FabCasablancas

08-29-2007, 12:04 PM

Shaq is much closer to the camera.. when youa re closer to the camera you look taller..

That Pau picture is crazy.. it makes no sense. Pau looks like 5 inches taller than Dirk.. that would make Pau like 7'3 if Dirk is only 6'11.. that's why these pics prove nothing..

Look at Kareem.. in some pics he looks shorter than Bynum.. but in some he looks much taller.. There are just really really weird optical illusions in static photos.. players would have to be standing back to back.. AND the camera would have to be located dead center and perfectly perpendicular to guage heghts..

VCMVP1551

08-29-2007, 12:09 PM

Shaq is much closer to the camera.. when youa re closer to the camera you look taller..
That Pau picture is crazy.. it makes no sens.e. Pau looks like 5 inches taller than Dirk.. that would make Pau like 7'3.. that's why these pics prove nothing..

Look at Kareem.. in some pics he looks shorter than Bynum.. but in some he looks much taller.. There are just really really weir dopticla illusions in static photos.. players would have to be stanind back to back.. AND the camer would have to be locate dead center and perfectly perpendicular to guage heghts..

Shaq isn't much closer and he is also leaning down a lot to talk to the ref. Pau doesn't look 5 inches taller. Kareem is slouching in some pictures and Bynum is slouching in some pictures but the pictures show they are pretty much the same height.

Classic

08-29-2007, 02:29 PM

kinda on the topic, but off the nba...

I have a client I work with that has met numerous times with Arnold Swartzenegger (too lazy to check if that's the right spelling) and he told me the guy is like 5'8, 5'9. He said he wears platform shoes that give him like 3 inches so he is closer to 6 ft. My client is about 6'0 but says he looks over the top. He finds it hilarious since Arnold is portrayed as a much larger person on tv/movies. Interesting topic, but i've always heard the nba gives their players like an extra 2 to 3 inches so people are under them impression they are watching giants or something. Now, I have seen Yao and Mutumbo in person and they are legit monsters but you are skeptical about a lot of other guys....but, whatever

VCMVP1551

08-29-2007, 10:49 PM

Comedy Central

08-30-2007, 04:48 AM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=skBLLtxsOaU

At about 1min Charles Barkley says he is 6'4 3/4.

Quite impressive for a power forward averaging 11 rebounds.

VCMVP1551

08-30-2007, 04:47 PM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=skBLLtxsOaU

At about 1min Charles Barkley says he is 6'4.75.

Quite impressive for a power forward averaging 11 rebounds.

That sounds right considering he was measured 6'4.625" at the 1992 Olympics and he looks about 6'4.75" next to Michael Jordan who I think is 6'5.5"

Barkley is one of the most unique players of all time. Rodman was also actually 6'6" and averaged over 18 rpg one year.

eliteballer

08-30-2007, 06:14 PM

And enough with the posting pictures of NBA players standing next to or near another player to compare heights. In many of those pictures one player is slumped down, bent a bit, etc or the players are at angles that create an illusion.

Owned once.

This method is not reliable, you're using heights without shoes, yet posting pics of players who are wearing sneakers (and dress shoes in some cases). Their heights are not accurate because you're not using their height with shoes, you cannot say it's reliable because shoes present a variable that you are just ignoring. Every last player is going to be slightly taller than the heights you're posting, just looking at the without shoes/shoes heights, there's a difference in even the types of sneakers where some players are gaining an inch and 2 to 3 quarters.

Not all the shoes add the same height, so posting pics of players next to each other isnt really a great way of judging height, unless they're wearing the same exact brand of sneakers.

Owned twice:oldlol: Yet this chump refuses to leave his little fantasy world. As for Barkley, in his book he said he's 6-4 3/4 IN SOCKS. Conservatively give him an inch with shoes and round up as NBA player heights are, and you get 6-6.

http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/51979546.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=AE5E3E7DB8E31417D7E8DD686F72FACE

http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/51979546.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=AE5E3E7DB8E31417D7E8DD686F72FACE

Clearly taller than 6-4 Payton

http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/71826407.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=4CB93F6368C8DDACAB460618FBC5E108

Around the same as 6-7 Miller.

http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/76027864.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1935F875963FC567DB1757776BA0569C75D

Side by side with Jordan, about the same

http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/50718244.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=4996399091E83186A3505C35E1BF2D71F06BF04B24B4128C

Actually looks like he has some on Jordan here.

http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/360171.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF193B3EA2C03450C9486EAEA0A1F4DF75300

Same as 6-6 Majerle

I also just love how you can tell us a players height to the 1/4 OF AN INCH from just looking at a damn picture. Hilariously pathetic.

VCMVP1551

08-30-2007, 06:27 PM

Owned once.

Owned twice:oldlol: Yet this chump refuses to leave his little fantasy world. As for Barkley, in his book he said he's 6-4 3/4 IN SOCKS. Conservatively give him an inch with shoes and round up as NBA player heights are, and you get 6-6.

http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/51979546.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=AE5E3E7DB8E31417D7E8DD686F72FACE

http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/51979546.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=AE5E3E7DB8E31417D7E8DD686F72FACE

Clearly taller than 6-4 Payton

http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/71826407.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=4CB93F6368C8DDACAB460618FBC5E108

Around the same as 6-7 Miller.

http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/76027864.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1935F875963FC567DB1757776BA0569C75D

Side by side with Jordan, about the same

http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/50718244.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=4996399091E83186A3505C35E1BF2D71F06BF04B24B4128C

Actually looks like he has some on Jordan here.

http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/360171.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF193B3EA2C03450C9486EAEA0A1F4DF75300

Same as 6-6 Majerle

I also just love how you can tell us a players height to the 1/4 OF AN INCH from just looking at a damn picture. Hilariously pathetic.

The only time I post 1/4 inches is when I know that exact height from a measurement or from a players claim. Kevin Garnett was measured 6'10" when he was drafted but now claims he is 6'11.25". Tracy McGrady was measured barefoot at 6'6.25". btw Majerle is 6'5". I wouldn't try to guess 1/4 inches just by looking at pictures that is impossible. Hell that is hard even when you stand near someone.

Lebron23

08-30-2007, 10:22 PM

Gary Payton is not 6'4 he was measured at 6'2 3/4. Dwayne Wade who is also listed at 6'4 is at least 1 inch taller than the Glove.

Wade is a legit 6'3 3/4

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/GP2.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/GP.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/GP3.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/GPandKidd.jpg

6'0 1/4 Stephon Marbury and 6'2 3/4 Jason Kidd and Gary Payton

GOBB_Junior

08-31-2007, 11:08 PM

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/DirkandGASOl2.jpg

7'0 Pau Gasol and 6'10 Dirk Nowitzki

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/TracyMcgradyandVince.jpg

6'6 1/4 Tracy Mcgrady and 6'5 1/2 Vince Carter

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/AllenandStephon3.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/AllenandStephon2.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/AllenandStephon.jpg

5'10 Allen Iverson and 6'0 1/4 Stephon Marbury

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/NateandAllen.jpg

5'7 3/4 Nate Robinson and 5'10 Allen Iverson

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/NateandSteph2.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/NateandSteph.jpg

6'0 1/4 Stephon Marbury and 5'7 3/4 Nate Robinson

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/OdenandRobinson.jpg

7'0 David Robinson and 6'11 Greg Oden

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/OdenandRUssell-1.jpg

6'11 Greg Oden and 6'9 Bill Russell

VCMVP1551

09-01-2007, 12:01 AM

Iverson is 5'11.25". Oden also measured 6'11 1/2" in a private workout.

GOBB_Junior

09-01-2007, 12:14 AM

Iverson is 5'11 1/4". Oden also measured 6'11 1/2" in a private workout.

Greg Oden was measured at 6'11 in the 2007 NBA Pre Draft Measurement.

Allen Iverson was measured at 5'10 ( with out shoes) and 5'11 1/4 in his sneakers. If Stephon Marbury is 6'0 1/4 which means that he is 6'1 1/2 in his socks and shoes. So the 2 inch height advantage between the players are correct base on the pictures.

VCMVP1551

09-01-2007, 12:47 AM

Greg Oden was measured at 6'11 in the 2007 NBA Pre Draft Measurement.

Allen Iverson was measured at 5'10 ( with out shoes) and 5'11 1/4 in his sneakers. If Stephon Marbury is 6'0 1/4 which means that he is 6'1 1/2 in his socks and shoes. So the 2 inch height advantage between the players are correct base on the pictures.

I read Iverson was 5'11.25" without shoes, 6'0.5" with shoes, 167 pounds and had a 6'3.25" wingspan in 1996.

idizzle

09-01-2007, 12:55 AM

I remember back when Lamar Odom was getting drafted I heard he was really 6'9.

GOBB_Junior

09-01-2007, 12:55 AM

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/WadeandMelo.jpg

6'3 3/4 Dwyane Wade with 6'6 1/4 Carmelo Anthony

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/AIandMelo.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/AiandMelo2.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/AiandMelo3.jpg

6'6 1/4 Carmelo Anthony with 5'10 Allen Iverson

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/LebronandLarry2.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/LebronandLarry.jpg

6'8 Lebron James with 6'4 1/2 Larry Hughes

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/KGandDUNCAN-1.jpg

6'10 Tim Duncan, 6'11 1/4 Kevin Garnett and 7'5 Yao Ming

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/DuncanandRobinson.jpg

6'10 Tim Duncan and 7'0 David Robinson

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/IggyandAi.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/IggyandAi2.jpg

6'5 3/4 Andrei Iguodala and 5'10 Allen Iverson

VCMVP1551

09-01-2007, 12:57 AM

I remember back when Lamar Odom was getting drafted I heard he was really 6'9.

He was 6'9" right before the 1998 draft(he eventually went to college instead) but grew to 6'10" by the time of 1999 draft.

ReturnOfJimi

09-01-2007, 01:17 AM

WTF is up with the pic of TP, GP, JKidd, and Starbust?

It was taken before Parker was anybody... so whose idea was it to gather those four random players? Besides position, I don't see the connection.

VCMVP1551

09-01-2007, 02:28 AM

G-train

09-03-2007, 02:26 AM

anyone know Tay Prince's real measurements, seeing he did not attend pre draft camp?

White Chocolate

09-03-2007, 02:28 AM

anyone know Tay Prince's real measurements, seeing he did not attend pre draft camp?

I believe he's 6'8". He's definitely taller than Ben Wallace.

VCMVP1551

09-03-2007, 03:25 AM

I believe he's 6'8". He's definitely taller than Ben Wallace.

Sounds about right. He is kind of skinny so he looks taller and he has a 7'2" wingspan. I saw him listed as low as 6'7" when he was in college. Amir Johnson is around 6'8", C-Webb is 6'9" and Mcdyess is 6'9.5". I don't know if he is around that height.

kidachi

09-03-2007, 11:00 AM

Big Ben is 6'7"

if only big ben can be a scorer.......

eliteballer

09-04-2007, 05:05 AM

Funny, you guys say LeBron has 2 inches on T-Mac but in all of these pictures(which aren't distorted by angles or poor posture) T-Mac looks to be slightly taller:

Gettyimages:

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Samurai Swoosh

09-04-2007, 12:19 PM

Michael Jordan wasn't 6'6 ... he was closer to 6'5. Maybe even more like 6'4 and 3/4ths. Kobe Bryant was listed as 6'7 when he first came into the league, and up until 2003, that's the size he was labeled as ... he isn't though. Maybe when they counted his half fro, but he isn't close to 6'7. Alen Iverson is listed as 6'0, but he sure as hell isn't 6'0. He's more like 5'10 / 5'11. Having been to many Pistons games @ floor level, they exaggerated the hell out of his height and weight. The guy looks so small. Which makes what he does even more unbelievable.

Lebron23

09-05-2007, 10:32 PM

Magic Johnson wasn't really close to 6'9". He was measured 6'7 1/4" barefoot

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/inside_game/alexander_wolff/news/2001/06/20/hoop_life/

If they aren't smoked out at the pre-draft camp, padded heights get exposed at USA Basketball team trials. It was in the run-up to the 1992 Olympics that the world finally learned what the cognoscenti had long suspected -- that Charles Barkley was more like 6-4 5/8 than 6-6, and Magic Johnson closer to 6-7 than 6-9. Likewise, it was a measurement in 1988 before the Games (citius, altius -- but not unduly altius) that exposed Danny Manning, who had been a 6-11 freshman at Kansas, as a 6-9 NBA draftee-to-be.

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x274/VCMVP1551/1737530.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x274/VCMVP1551/1737079.jpg

As you can see 6'9" Larry Bird is nearly 2 inches taller

JohnnyBravo5

09-06-2007, 01:06 AM

Look how much taller he is than YI!

http://www.nba.com/media/hawks/marvin_china1_081707_550.jpg

I just couldn't resist...lmao

VCMVP1551

09-06-2007, 02:21 AM

T-Mac is NOT 6'7"

Funny, you guys say LeBron has 2 inches on T-Mac but in all of these pictures(which aren't distorted by angles or poor posture) T-Mac looks to be slightly taller:

Gettyimages:

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lol they aren't even standing that close in your first picture. Lebron is leaning in the second picture. Lebron is clearly taller in the 3rd and 4th pictures hahah and T-Mac is on his toes in the last picture! Did you have a point to those pictures?

Michael Jordan wasn't 6'6 ... he was closer to 6'5. Maybe even more like 6'4 and 3/4ths. Kobe Bryant was listed as 6'7 when he first came into the league, and up until 2003, that's the size he was labeled as ... he isn't though. Maybe when they counted his half fro, but he isn't close to 6'7. Alen Iverson is listed as 6'0, but he sure as hell isn't 6'0. He's more like 5'10 / 5'11. Having been to many Pistons games @ floor level, they exaggerated the hell out of his height and weight. The guy looks so small. Which makes what he does even more unbelievable.

You are correct Jordan is 6'4 7/8"-6'5.5". A big Jordan fan told me he was 6'5" in the 92' Olympics, he was also listed 6'5" in the 82' Olympics. I heard he was measured 6'4 7/8" in the 1984 Chicago Pre-Draft camp. I have also heard he is 6'6.5" in shoes. Kobe was measured 6'5" at 17 but may have grown.

eliteballer

09-06-2007, 03:40 AM

lol they aren't even standing that close in your first picture.

Close enough to judge that T-Mac is at least the same height, if not taller.

Lebron is leaning in the second picture.

Since when are ideal conditions a qualification for any of the pictures YOU USE. If LeBron had him by two inches he would be the same height barely leaning, but he's shorter.

Lebron is clearly taller in the 3rd and 4th pictures hahah and T-Mac is on his toes in the last picture! Did you have a point to those pictures?

No he's not. Draw one of your lines between their heads. I dare you. No need to LIE. They are BOTH on their toes in the last picture.

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LeBron doesn't have 4-5 inches on Kobe in ANY of those pictures, and the last one is the most damaging to your claims of "6-9 LeBron" and "6-4 Kobe"
:oldlol:

eliteballer

09-06-2007, 03:45 AM

Jordan is NOT TALLER THAN BARKLEY:

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VCMVP1551

09-06-2007, 05:57 PM

Close enough to judge that T-Mac is at least the same height, if not taller.

Since when are ideal conditions a qualification for any of the pictures YOU USE. If LeBron had him by two inches he would be the same height barely leaning, but he's shorter.

No he's not. Draw one of your lines between their heads. I dare you. No need to LIE. They are BOTH on their toes in the last picture.

Gettyimages #:

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LeBron doesn't have 4-5 inches on Kobe in ANY of those pictures, and the last one is the most damaging to your claims of "6-9 LeBron" and "6-4 Kobe"
:oldlol:

First of all I have Kobe at 6'4.75"-6'5.5" NOT 6'4" and Lebron I think grew from the 6'7.25" he was measured at to 6'8". That would be 2.5-3 inches not 4-5. I posted the best possible picture to judge...Kobe back to back with T-Mac and T-Mac looked 6'6" max. As far as Lebron being on his toes too...one foot is flat so it wouldn't give him any height advantage T-Mac is on both toes. Picture 3 and 4 are on a strange angle too. Although I am not convinced anymore that Lebron is any more than 1 inch taller. Maybe Lebron didn't grow from his measured 6'7.25" Also Jordan is slightly taller than Barkley. Barkley was measured 6'4 5/8" and he claims 6'4.75". Jordan is 6'4 7/8"-6'5.5" Not a huge difference...not even an inch. The pictures you posted of Jordan and Barkley are on the worst possible angles. You can't tell someone's height if they are walking in a picture. I could post a picture of Vince Carter looking taller than T-Mac because they're walking.

VCMVP1551

09-07-2007, 04:03 AM

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/NBA7902/NBA%20Height%20Comparison/71595764.jpg

6'10ish Hakeem Olajuwon towers over 6'6.5" T-Mac

disco

09-07-2007, 09:09 AM

VCMVP1551

09-07-2007, 09:55 AM

Did you notice how different the 'without shoes' and 'with shoes' hight was in some cases in predraft camp. 2 examples:

Spencer Hawes: without shoes: 6'10.5, with shoes: 7'0.75
Dominic McGuire: without shoes: 6'7.75, with shoes: 6'8.25

Does this tell us that Hawes' shoes are 2.25 inches thick, while McGuires' are just 0.5 inches.

Hawes is smart. He is a player who isn't going to jump over guys but the added inch or help which will make him taller than most centers will help. Greg Oden actually measured 6'11" at the Orlando Pre-Draft camp and 6'11.5" in private workouts.

eliteballer

09-07-2007, 05:28 PM

First of all I have Kobe at 6'5"-6'5.5" NOT 6'4" and Lebron I think grew from the 6'7.25" he was measured at to 6'8". That would be 2.5-3 inches not 4-5. I posted the best possible picture to judge...Kobe back to back with T-Mac and T-Mac looked 6'6.25" max. As far as Lebron being on his toes too...one foot is flat so it wouldn't give him any height advantage T-Mac is on both toes. Picture 3 and 4 are on a strange angle too. Although I am not convinced anymore that Lebron is any more than 1 inch taller. Maybe Lebron didn't grow from his measured 6'7.25" Also Jordan is slightly taller than Barkley. Barkley was measured 6'4 5/8" and he claims 6'4 3/4". Jordan is 6'5"-6'5.5" Not a huge difference...not even an inch. The pictures you posted of Jordan and Barkley are on the worst possible angles. You can't tell someone's height if they are walking in a picture. I could post a picture of Vince Carter looking taller than T-Mac because they're walking. Anyway here is a decent picture of Mourning, Jordan and Barkley..keep in mind the angle favors the players on the left.

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x274/VCMVP1551/1843199.jpg

Alonzo Mourning is 6'9", Michael Jordan is 6'5"-6'5.5" and Barkley is 6'4 5/8"-6'4.75"

In that last picture with Kobe and LeBron is ALSO looks like a 1-1.5 inch max difference. T-Mac's right foot is planted next to LeBron's right, and you can see it's flat as well. Funny you criticize my pictures of MJ and Barkley when they are as CLOSE as can be then go and post a picture where the camera is at a horrible angle AND Barkley is standing behind Jordan. Are you really that dimwitted or just trying to flat out LIE.

http://www.derok.net/derok/images/sports2/kevin%20garnett%20tim%20duncan%20tracy%20mcgrady%2 0adidas.jpg

T-Mac with 6-11 Duncan and Garnett.

VCMVP1551

09-07-2007, 06:11 PM

In that last picture with Kobe and LeBron is ALSO looks like a 1-1.5 inch max difference. T-Mac's right foot is planted next to LeBron's right, and you can see it's flat as well. Funny you criticize my pictures of MJ and Barkley when they are as CLOSE as can be then go and post a picture where the camera is at a horrible angle AND Barkley is standing behind Jordan. Are you really that dimwitted or just trying to flat out LIE.

http://www.derok.net/derok/images/sports2/kevin%20garnett%20tim%20duncan%20tracy%20mcgrady%2 0adidas.jpg

T-Mac with 6-11 Duncan and Garnett.

Duncan isn't 6'11". He is 6'10.5" and I already said that picture favors the players on the left! Atleast most of the pictures I post don't have a player leaning a lot in every picture. In your Jordan/Barkley pictures both of them are always leaning a lot. The pictures you posted were horrible. The picture I posted of Zo, MJ and Chuck atleast had all of them standing up fairly straight.

eliteballer

09-07-2007, 06:14 PM

VCMVP1551

09-07-2007, 06:20 PM

In the Jordan/Barkley picture from the finals ONLY their heads are tilted. In the more recent one with them in suits Barkley has a CLEAR advantage. So you concede pictures favor players on the left...then use a picture with JORDAN ON THE LEFT OF BARKLEY to justify him being taller? GTFO.

lol I posted a picture of Barkley and Jordan in the finals with both of them leaning and a little bit but Jordan clearly taller. Jordan is atleast 6'5"...Kobe was measured 6'4.75" and Jordan are the same exact height. Barkley claims 6'4.75" which sounds accurate.

One thing I agree with you about is Lebron probably isn't any taller than the 6'7.25" he measured at in 2003. I changed my mind he can't be any more than an inch taller than T-Mac.

eliteballer

09-07-2007, 06:37 PM

VCMVP1551

09-08-2007, 10:40 AM

The picture I posted from the finals of Jordan and Barkley is better. They are both facing the same direction, the picture is much clearer, and both have their heads slightly tilted. The picture you're using is clearly distorted from a depth perspective(Jordan is closer to the camera, look how his left arm makes contact with Barkley), with both players facing different directions and Barkley tilting his head.

It is really hard to tell. Both of them are around 6'5" give or take a half inch. I've heard Jordan was listed 195 cm(6'4 3/4") at the 1992 Olympics but sometimes they just knock off 3 cm or an 1 1/4 inch like when they listed Vince Carter 195 cm and kevin Garnett 207 cm(6'9.75"). I've also heard Jordan was measured 6'5" in 1982, 1984 and 1992 but I've just read that from fan posts. I also read in sports illustrated he was 6'6.5" with shoes. One thing we have to remember is in a picture with 2 men who are over 6'4" and seperated by less than an inch whoever is leaning more or whoever the angle favors will look taller. Jordan is the exact same height as Kobe and he looks about as tall as 6'5.5" Vince Carter. Maybe Jordan and Kobe are 6'5"?

abuC

09-08-2007, 10:58 AM

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x274/VCMVP1551/529760.jpg

6'7" Grant Hill and Patrick Ewing 6'9"?

Horrible picture for comparisons, one is in the foreground, the other is in the background, they are not on even plane so you cannot get an accurate gauge of height.

Lebron23

09-10-2007, 05:58 AM

Not all NBA Heights are padded in the case of Desmond Mason who is listed at NBa.com at 6'5 was measured at a legit 6'6 in the 2000 NBA Draft.

Here is the pictures he is taller than Michael Redd who is officially measured at 6'4 3/4 listed at 6'6 in Nba.com.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/DesmondandRedd3.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/DesmondandRedd2.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/DesmondandRedd.jpg

Here is a legit 6'6 Desmond Mason, 6'4 3/4 Michael Redd and 5'11 TJ Ford.

TJ Ford has a 43" vertical Leap.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/D-MilesandCB2.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/D-milesandCB3.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/D-MilesandCB.jpg

Carloz Boozer is 6'7 3/4, Dajuan Wagner is 6'0 3/4 and Darius Miles is 6'8.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/T-macandShaq.jpg

Mcgrady is 6'6 1/4 and Shaquille O'neal is 7'0

Lebron23

09-10-2007, 06:18 AM

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/ErickAndAdonal2.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/ErickandAdonal.jpg

6'11 Erick Dampier and 6'9 Adonal Foyle

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/ErickandAdonal3.jpg

Troy Murphy 6'9 3/4, Mike Dunleavy 6'8, 6'11 Erick Dampier, Clifford Robinson 6'9 and 6'9 Adonal Foyle.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/CarterandPayton.jpg

6'2 3/4 Gary Payton and 6'5 1/2 Vince Carter

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/PierceandMagic.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/PierceandMagic2.jpg

6'6 Paul Pierce and 6' 7 1/4Magic Johnson

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/MagicandMalone.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/MagicandMalone3.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/MagicandMalone2.jpg

6'7 1/4 Magic Johnson and 6'8 Karl Malone

Lebron23

09-10-2007, 06:21 AM

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/AllanRayandRondo3.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/AllanRayandRondo2.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/AllanRayandRondo.jpg

6'1 Allan Ray, 6'2 Rajon Rondo and 6'9 1/4 Kevin Pittsnogle.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/JJandShelden.jpg

6'4 JJ Reddick and 6'7 1/2 Shelden Williams

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/BalkmanandCollins.jpg

6'5 1/4 Renaldo Balkman and 6'4 1/4 Mardy Collins

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/JJandJameer.jpg

6'4 JJ Redick and 5'11 Jameer Nelson

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/AlJefferson.jpg

6'8 1/4 Al Jefferson, 6'6 Gerald Green, 6'6 1/2 Ryan Gomes and 5'11 Sebastian Telfair.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/JJandAllanRay.jpg

JJ Reddick 6'4 and 6'1 Allan Ray

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/JJandAugustine2.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/JJandAugustine.jpg

JJ Reddick 6'4 and 6'8 1/4 James Augustine

VCMVP1551

09-10-2007, 04:44 PM

All of those are correct except Shaq who is 7'1" and I'll add Theo Ratliff at 6'8.75".

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/T-macandTD.jpg

6'6.25" Tracy McGrady and 6'10.5" Tim Duncan

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/T-macandMelo.jpg

6'6.25" Tracy McGrady and 6'6.25" Carmelo Anthony

eliteballer

09-11-2007, 05:35 AM

Horrible picture for comparisons, one is in the foreground, the other is in the background, they are not on even plane so you cannot get an accurate gauge of height.

Seriously, the stupidity in this thread is confounding.

6'6.25" Tracy McGrady and 6'10" Tim Duncan

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/T-macandTD.jpg

That IS NOT A 4 INCH DIFFERENCE. Do you know how big a 4 inch difference is?

Lebron23

09-11-2007, 05:40 AM

Seriously, the stupidity in this thread is confounding.

That IS NOT A 4 INCH DIFFERENCE. Do you know how big a 4 inch difference is?

From the top of your head into your eye brows is at least 4.25 - 4.5 inches.

VCMVP1551

09-11-2007, 07:47 AM

Seriously, the stupidity in this thread is confounding.

That IS NOT A 4 INCH DIFFERENCE. Do you know how big a 4 inch difference is?

That is almost a 4 inch difference! A normal persons eyebrows to the top of the head is about 3-4 inches nevermind HUGE NBA players. Seriously you are a ****ing idiot.

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/NBA7902/NBA%20Height%20Comparison/71595764.jpg

T-Mac is atleast 4 inches shorter than 6'10.25" Hakeem Olajuwon

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/T-macandMelo.jpg

6'6.25" Carmelo is the same height if not taller than T-Mac. Why are you in denial about T-Mac being 6'6.25" Or is it you think Duncan is shorter than 6'10"?

abuC

09-11-2007, 11:21 AM

That is almost a 4 inch difference! A normal persons eyebrows to the top of the head is about 3-4 inches nevermind HUGE NBA players. Seriously you are a ****ing idiot.

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x274/VCMVP1551/HakeemandTracy.jpg

T-Mac is atleast 3.75 inches shorter than 6'10" Hakeem Olajuwon

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/T-macandMelo.jpg

6'6.25" Carmelo is the same height if not taller than T-Mac. Why are you in denial about T-Mac being 6'6.25" Or is it you think Duncan is shorter than 6'10"?

The problem here again, is you're using pre-draft heights and not factoring growth or shoe into the equation, you're just listing heights from when they are 17-20 years old, which is just ridiculous.

If I were to do the same as you, Tim Duncan is NOT 6"10 then, because Tmac's clearly much shorter in comparison to the 6"10 Hakeem than he is with the 6"10 Duncan.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v127/abuC24/T-macandTD.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v127/abuC24/1907500.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v127/abuC24/HakeemandTracy.jpg
Using the same flawed system you use, a 4 inch difference is the distance between someone's brow and the top of another persons head. The distance between Tmac's brow and the top of Kidds head is similar to the gap between Tmac and Tim, however the gap between Tmac and Hakeem is larger, and Hakeem is tilting his head and leaning towards Tmac, which means the gap would be even bigger if he was standing straight up. So which is it, Hakeem is 6"10, or Tim Duncan isnt 6"10, or a variable which you dont seem to take into account, like shoes made a slight difference.

Your system is utterly ridiculous, as I said before, if you're going to list heights without shoes, you better be showing pictures of barefooted players, because it's not even remotely accurate the way you're doing it now.
I agree with Elite, this thread is just stupid, and inconclusive, your thread title lists "real height" you list heights without shoes, but post pictures of players in sneakers and even worse dress shoes which can add more height, does that make any sense?

VCMVP1551

09-11-2007, 03:17 PM

The problem here again, is you're using pre-draft heights and not factoring growth or shoe into the equation, you're just listing heights from when they are 17-20 years old, which is just ridiculous.

If I were to do the same as you, Tim Duncan is NOT 6"10 then, because Tmac's clearly much shorter in comparison to the 6"10 Hakeem than he is with the 6"10 Duncan.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v127/abuC24/T-macandTD.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v127/abuC24/1907500.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v127/abuC24/HakeemandTracy.jpg
Using the same flawed system you use, a 4 inch difference is the distance between someone's brow and the top of another persons head. The distance between Tmac's brow and the top of Kidds head is similar to the gap between Tmac and Tim, however the gap between Tmac and Hakeem is larger, and Hakeem is tilting his head and leaning towards Tmac, which means the gap would be even bigger if he was standing straight up. So which is it, Hakeem is 6"10, or Tim Duncan isnt 6"10, or a variable which you dont seem to take into account, like shoes made a slight difference.

Your system is utterly ridiculous, as I said before, if you're going to list heights without shoes, you better be showing pictures of barefooted players, because it's not even remotely accurate the way you're doing it now.
I agree with Elite, this thread is just stupid, and inconclusive, your thread title lists "real height" you list heights without shoes, but post pictures of players in sneakers and even worse dress shoes which can add more height, does that make any sense?

You know what is "utterly ridiculous"? The fact that you didn't even bother to look if Duncan's knees are bent. You can clearly see they are bent a bit. I never said the pictures show exact height but in the case of Hakeem and T-Mac you can see about 4 inches. The pictures just give an estimate. Hakeem probably has bigger shoes but only by about 1/4 inch. I've seen enough of the in shoes listing to say for guards/small forwards it's almost always an inch to 1 1/4" inch and for big men 1 1/4" inch to 1 1/2" inch. There are exceptions of course.

Richie2k6

09-11-2007, 03:25 PM

Why such a deep discussion about something so irrelevant? Why don't you guys just find the players' addresses, go to their houses and measure them with measuring tape with your bare hands? 14 pages over height arguments? Who cares?

eliteballer

09-11-2007, 05:40 PM

Rockets(T-mac)

09-11-2007, 05:57 PM

You can never be sure about players heights unless, as Richie said, you go to their house's and measure them. Just stop this pointless thread.

Milkman

09-11-2007, 06:05 PM

This photo proves that kobe is much taller than D.Howard:

http://www.projectwasted.com/upload/uploads/kobe_dunk.jpg
Kobe = 6'7" Howard= 3'2"

Then the following proves that jordan is in fact much taller than kobe:
http://www.r23o.com/alv-forum/images/jordan-kobe.jpg

http://www.streetball.co.uk/new/kobe_jordan.jpg

The photos CANT lie!

abuC

09-11-2007, 08:00 PM

You know what is "utterly ridiculous"? The fact that you didn't even bother to look if Duncan's knees are bent. You can clearly see they are bent a bit. I never said the pictures show exact height but in the case of Hakeem and T-Mac you can see about 4 inches. The pictures just give an estimate. Hakeem probably has bigger shoes but only by about 1/4 inch. I've seen enough of the in shoes listing to say for guards/small forwards it's almost always an inch to 1 1/4" inch and for big men 1 1/4" inch to 1 1/2" inch. There are exceptions of course.

So variables like bent knees matter, yet in this very thread you have a ton of pictures where we cant see if someone's knees are bent or not? See how flawed YOUR OWN system is? You've been saying Hakeem is 6"10 the entire thread, now you're admitting he might be bigger, that is what makes your thread and system so flawed, and now you're actually trying to determine how many inches there are between someone's brow and head and pass it off as fact. That is why this is so utterly ridiculous....and you've proven my point in this post.

VCMVP1551

09-11-2007, 09:27 PM

More stupidity: These clowns claim LeBro is at least 6-8 barefoot and Magic is 6-7 when Magic CLEARLY is taller AND he's bending over.

http://www.gettyimages.com/search/detail.aspx?axd=DetailPaging.Search%7c1&axs=0%7c73359644%2c73359639%2c52215959%2c51053045% 2c51053003%2c2101341%2c2101340%2c2101335%2c2101330 %2c2101324%2c2101315%2c2101310%2c2101308%2c2213802 %2c2212967&id=2101315

All of the stupidity is coming from you because you don't even realize I said a few pages back that you convinced me Lebron didn't grow past his 6'7.25" measurement. Also how is it stupidity to mistake 3/4 inch? Lebron looked atleast 6'8" in most of the pictures with Vince Carter and Carmelo Anthony. That is also a difficult picture to tell but that is besides the point. Both Magic and Lebron are 6'7.25".

VCMVP1551

09-11-2007, 09:30 PM

So variables like bent knees matter, yet in this very thread you have a ton of pictures where we cant see if someone's knees are bent or not? See how flawed YOUR OWN system is? You've been saying Hakeem is 6"10 the entire thread, now you're admitting he might be bigger, that is what makes your thread and system so flawed, and now you're actually trying to determine how many inches there are between someone's brow and head and pass it off as fact. That is why this is so utterly ridiculous....and you've proven my point in this post.

I never said Hakeem might be bigger than 6'10" I said he might be wearing bigger shoes because I already know Hakeem is 6'10" because he has said so himself! You and Elite do not read my posts.

abuC

09-11-2007, 09:50 PM

I never said Hakeem might be bigger than 6'10" I said he might be wearing bigger shoes because I already know Hakeem is 6'10" because he has said so himself! You and Elite do not read my posts.

You dont even realize the point Im making, it's that variables, clearly play a role, and you do not account for them AT ALL. You just post pics, and heights taken from when people were possibly teenagers, at all sorts of strange angles as your proof.

What if Hakeem was only wearing sandals? You dont know, you can only guess, because your system isnt accurate at all. Hakeem said he was 6"10 without shoes, why does the type of shoe he's wearing matter when you're only concerned with heights without shoes? Also, who cares what a player says, right? KG has said he's "6"12" as a play on the fact he's 7"0, but his opinion on his own height doesnt matter in your thread, since you say he's 6"11 and change.

eliteballer

09-11-2007, 10:00 PM

These clowns are on some sort of mission to "prove" that NBA players are shorter than what everyone believes. If you want people to know the TRUTH, then don't LIE YOURSELVES. ABC is exposing you herbs, HARD.

VCMVP1551

09-11-2007, 10:03 PM

You dont even realize the point Im making, it's that variables, clearly play a role, and you do not account for them AT ALL. You just post pics, and heights taken from when people were possibly teenagers, at all sorts of strange angles as your proof.

What if Hakeem was only wearing sandals? You dont know, you can only guess, because your system isnt accurate at all. Hakeem said he was 6"10 without shoes, why does the type of shoe he's wearing matter when you're only concerned with heights without shoes? Also, who cares what a player says, right? KG has said he's "6"12" as a play on the fact he's 7"0, but his opinion on his own height doesnt matter in your thread, since you say he's 6"11 and change.

I've never heard KG call himself 6'12" I've only heard teammates call him 6'13" however I have heard KG call himself 6'11.75". My system is fairly accurate I get most of the heights from player's claims, pre-draft measurements and Olympic measurements.

VCMVP1551

09-11-2007, 10:05 PM

eliteballer

09-11-2007, 10:08 PM

LMFAO!!!!!!! Sports Illustrated says Magic is about 6'7". Are they lying too?

How can Magic be the same height as LeBron when he's CLEARLY taller in that pic? Theres no weird angles, obstructions or anything.

VCMVP1551

09-11-2007, 10:09 PM

How can Magic be the same height as LeBron when he's CLEARLY taller in that pic? Theres no weird angles, obstructions or anything.

Lebron is leaning even more than Magic. Magic could also have bigger shoes. I have sources to back up Lebron being no shorter than 6'7.25" and Magic no taller than 6'7.25"

eliteballer

09-11-2007, 10:41 PM

VCMVP1551

09-11-2007, 11:36 PM

Lets look at some pictures of when Magic was in his PRIME. He has bad posture now, has been ill, gained a lot of weight and might have overall lost some height.

Gettyimages #:

With 6-9 Worthy:

51894987
57662070

With Larry "really closer to 6-10" Bird(account for his hair):

51872929

With 6-7 Drexler:

51895273

Worthy and Magic look close to the same height in the first picture although they are on a ledge and on a weird angle. I have no idea how tall Worthy is though. They look close in the second picture too. Bird is 6'9"and is about 2 inches taller than Magic. As far as Drexler. Yeah Magic is clearly taller but Drexler is closer to 6'5"..maybe 6'5" and change. I thought Magic was 6'8" until I read that sports illustrated article. Now I am convinced he is closer to 6'7".

Lebron23

09-13-2007, 12:08 AM

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/KGandCeltics3.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/KGandCeltics2.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/KGandCeltics.jpg

6'3 1/2 Ray Allen, 6'6 Paul Pierce and 6'11 1/4 Kevin Garnett

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/LebronandVC.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/LebronJamesandVC2.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/LebronJamesandVC3.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/LebronJamesandVC4.jpg

6'8" Lebron James and 6'5 1/2" Vince Carter

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/USADreamTeam.jpg

Jason Kidd- 6'2 3/4"

Mike Miller- 6'7 1/2"

Lebron James - 6'8"

Carmelo Anthony- 6'6 1/4"

Kobe Bryant- 6'4 3/4"

Dwayne Wade- 6'3 3/4"

Michael Redd- 6'4 3/4"

Kirk Hinrich- 6'2 3/4"

Deron Williams- 6'1 3/4"

Chauncey Billups - 6'3"

JJ Reddick- 6'4"

Brad Miller- 6'11"

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/USADreamteam2.jpg

Elton Brand- 6'7 1/2"
Antawn Jamison - 6'7 3/4"
Dwight Howard- 6'9"
Joe Johnson- 6'6 3/4"
Shane Battier- 6'8 1/4"

http://www.nba.com/media/celtics/121503_Heroes.jpg

6'11 1/4" Kevin Garnett and 6'6" Paul Pierce

VCMVP1551

09-14-2007, 12:33 AM

Good pictures..when media day comes around we'll see if Dwight Howard and Rashard Lewis have grown from their pre-draft measurements. Howard was 6'9" and Shard was 6'8.5".

Lebron23

09-15-2007, 06:35 AM

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/CB4.jpg

6'4 3/4" Charles Barkley, 6'7" Dominique Wikins, 6'1 3/4" Joe Dumars

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/PPandWalker.jpg

6'6" Paul Pierce, 6'7 3/4" Antoine Walker

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/MarcusandAnthony.jpg

6'11" Marcus Camby and 6'6 1/4" Carmelo Anthony

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/MarcusandKenyon.jpg

6'8 3/4" Kenyon Martin, 6'11" Marcus Camby, 6'1 3/4" Andrei Miller.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/BenandRip.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/benandRip2.jpg

6'7" Ben Wallace, 6'5" Rip Hamilton

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/Dirk-1.jpg

6'10" Dirk Nowitzki, 6'8 3/4" Andrei Kilenko, Zaza Pachulia 6'10", 7'0 3/4" Primo Brezec.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/GregOdenandKevinDurant.jpg

6'9" Kevin Durant and 6'11" Greg Oden

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/LebronandCavs.jpg

6'7.5" Donyell Marshall, 6'8 3/4 Drew Gooden

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/LebronandDuncan.jpg

6'8" Lebron James and 6'10" Tim Duncan

Lebron23

09-15-2007, 07:09 AM

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/RjandVince.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/NewJerseyNets2.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/NewJerseyNets.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/NewHerseyNets3.jpg

6'7.25" Richard Jefferson, 6'5 1/2" Vince Carter, 6'2 3/4" Jason Kidd

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/LebronandMiles.jpg

6'8" Lebron James and 6'8" Darius Miles

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/CPandByronn.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/KiddandBryonScoot.jpg

6'3" Byron Scott, 6'2.75" Jason Kidd and 5'11.75" Chris Paul

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/Pippen.jpg

6'10.5" Eddy Curry, 6'11.5" Tyson Chandler, 6'7" Scottie Pippen and 6'6" Jalen Rose

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/PippenandRasheed.jpg

6'9 3/4" Rasheed Wallace and 6'7" Scottie Pippen

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/WellsandBibby.jpg

6'5" Bonzi Wells, 6'1" Mike Bibby

Source: http://canadahoops.blogspot.com/2007/05/nba-predraft-camp-measurements-2002.html

VCMVP1551

09-15-2007, 07:46 PM

Jason Kidd's pre-draft measurement was 6'3". The 6'2.75" was probably the Olympics knocking off 1 1/4 inches like they always do. Eddy Curry also looks atleast 6'11" now. Donyell Marshall's pre-draft measurement was 6'8.5" too.

VCMVP1551

09-16-2007, 02:03 AM

Future NBA player Roy Hibbert looks like a legit 7'2" next to 6'11" Greg Oden

Anyone know how tall Hasheem Thabeet is?

eliteballer

09-16-2007, 11:05 PM

Good pictures..when media day comes around we'll see if Dwight Howard and Rashard Lewis grew from 6'9" which both measured at 18 years old. EliteBaller look at this Magic is not a legit 6'9" He is the 6'7.25" he measured. Shaq towers over Magic by 6 inches. There is the same difference between Shaq and Glen Rice as there is between Shaq and Magic.

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x274/VCMVP1551/71552729.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x274/VCMVP1551/1393874.jpg

legit 7'1" Shaq, 6'7.25" Magic Johnson, 6'5.5" Kobe Bryant and 6'7" Glen Rice

Magic's standing BEHIND THEM, IN DRESS SHOES, and HES AGED. Find legitimate pics of him in his PRIME, you dope.

eliteballer

09-16-2007, 11:08 PM

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/CB4.jpg

6'4 3/4" Charles Barkley, 6'7" Dominique Wikins, 6'1 3/4" Joe Dumars

There IS NOT a 3 inch difference between the top of Barkley's head and Niques, you bufoon.

Lebron23

09-16-2007, 11:11 PM

There IS NOT a 3 inch difference between the top of Barkley's head and Niques, you bufoon.

Maybe if i you can open your eyes instead of being the dumbest mudda****er in this site.

eliteballer

09-16-2007, 11:19 PM

Maybe if i you can open your eyes instead of being the dumbest mudda****er in this site.

You are an IDIOT. You say there is a 5 1/4 inch difference between the top of Nique and Dumar's heads and a 2 1/4 difference between the top of Nique and Barkley's heads when the difference between the top of Nique and Dumars heads is CLEARLY MUCH MORE THAN DOUBLE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TOP OF BARKLEY AND NIQUE'S HEADS.

Lebron23

09-16-2007, 11:27 PM

You are an IDIOT. You say there is a 5 1/4 inch difference between the top of Nique and Dumar's heads and a 2 1/4 difference between the top of Nique and Barkley's heads when the difference between the top of Nique and Dumars heads is CLEARLY MUCH MORE THAN DOUBLE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TOP OF BARKLEY AND NIQUE'S HEADS.

You are an idiot my friend

6'4 3/4 is almost 6'5" - a person wearing a much thicker shoes can exactly appear taller than less than 2 inches if you compare the guy to a legit 6'7.

That is exactly a 2 inch height advantage because Charles Barkley just come on top on Nique's forehead. Check some of the pictures here and look at the height difference between Richardson and Carter.

VCMVP1551

09-16-2007, 11:42 PM

Magic's standing BEHIND THEM, IN DRESS SHOES, and HES AGED. Find legitimate pics of him in his PRIME, you dope.

ARE YOU ****ING KIDDING ME?! Magic is only about 41 years old in that picture! That is NOT an age you shrink at. Shaq and Magic are standing very close to eachother and Shaq TOWERS over Magic by 7-8 inches! Shaq is leaning and Magic is standing as straight as possible! Are you in this much denial?!! Magic is WAY more than 4 inches shorter than Shaq.

eliteballer

09-16-2007, 11:56 PM

You are an idiot my friend

6'4 3/4 is almost 6'5" - a person wearing a much thicker shoes can exactly appear taller than less than 2 inches if you compare the guy to a legit 6'7.

That is exactly a 2 inch height advantage because Charles Barkley just come on top on Nique's forehead. Check some of the pictures here and look at the height difference between Richardson and Carter.

So you are ASSUMING Barkley is wearing thicker soled shoes. The top of his pointy head comes to the top of Nique's head, and you STILL HAVEN'T EXPLAINED THE INCONSISTENCY BETWEEN BARKLEY, NIQUE, AND DUMARS ACCORDING TO YOUR ESTIMATES.

eliteballer

09-16-2007, 11:58 PM

ARE YOU ****ING KIDDING ME?! Magic is only about 41 years old in that picture! That is NOT an age you shrink at. Shaq and Magic are standing very close to eachother and Shaq TOWERS over Magic by 7-8 inches! Shaq is leaning and Magic is standing as straight as possible! Are you in this much denial?!! Magic is WAY more than 4 inches shorter than Shaq. And you want a pic of him in his prime? Even though Magic didn't shrink at age 41 here is a picture of him and 6'9" Larry Bird who is bending his knees!

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x274/VCMVP1551/1737530.jpg

Here they are standing straight

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x274/VCMVP1551/1737079.jpg

Larry Bird 6'9", Magic Johnson 6'7.25". I know it, Lebron23 knows it, Sports Illustrated knows it.

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x274/VCMVP1551/72078897.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x274/VCMVP1551/72078904.jpg

6'8.25" Shane Battier, 7'5" Yao Ming, 6'6.25" Tracy McGrady, 6'5" Bonzi Wells

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x274/VCMVP1551/71828156.jpg

6'7" Dominique has around 2 inches on 6'4.75" Barkley. Dumars is around 6'2"

Magic has developed bad posture, gained weight, has contracted HIV and gone through YEARS of drug treatments. All the pictures I previously showed had him matched up with 6-9 players. Bird's hair notwithstanding, virtually the same height.

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/writers/pete_mcentegart/06/16/ten.spot/tx_magic.jpg

VCMVP1551

09-17-2007, 12:36 AM

Magic has developed bad posture, gained weight, has contracted HIV and gone through YEARS of drug treatments. All the pictures I previously showed had him matched up with 6-9 players. Bird's hair notwithstanding, virtually the same height.

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/writers/pete_mcentegart/06/16/ten.spot/tx_magic.jpg

Alright well if your willing to listen I back up my point once again. Bird's kness are most likely bent because in one of the pictures I posted Bird seems the same in comparison however in my picture you can see Bird's knees are bent where in yours you can't see if his knees or bent but I think they are.

Borat

09-17-2007, 01:06 AM

just email the larry bird through pacers.com and ask him who was taller

VCMVP1551

09-17-2007, 01:22 AM

just email the larry bird through pacers.com and ask him who was taller

EliteBaller isn't saying Magic is taller he is just saying he is very close. Magic was measured 6'7.25" in 1992..I don't know if people with HIV shrink earlier than normal but he that measurement was taken after he already had HIV

White Chocolate

09-17-2007, 04:58 PM

EliteBaller isn't saying Magic is taller he is just saying he is very close. Magic was measured 6'7.25" in 1992..I don't know if people with HIV shrink earlier than normal but he that measurement was taken after he already had HIV

WTF does that have to do with anything man? :roll:

VCMVP1551

09-17-2007, 05:18 PM

WTF does that have to do with anything man? :roll:

Because EliteBaller is sayng Magic only looks 7-8 inches shorter than Shaq because he shrunk. A normal 41 year old man would not have shrunk so he must be implying Magic shrunk because of his disease.

White Chocolate

09-17-2007, 05:23 PM

Because EliteBaller is sayng Magic only looks 7-8 inches shorter than Shaq because he shrunk. A normal 41 year old man would not have shrunk so he must be implying Magic shrunk because of his disease.

Shrinking because of AIDS is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Unless you have severe back problems, you shouldn't be shrinking before 50.

VCMVP1551

09-17-2007, 05:48 PM

Shrinking because of AIDS is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Unless you have severe back problems, you shouldn't be shrinking before 50.

Look I've never looked up HIV symptoms. I said in an earlier post I didn't think HIV made you shrink but I don't know anything about HIV so i didn't want to assume anything. I already knew men don't shrink at 41 in most cases.

Chocogrease

09-17-2007, 07:46 PM

People Can Shrink???? I Thought That Could Only Happen If You Get Fat When Your Old. So Like I Can Grow To 6 Feet In 2 Yrs, Then Be Back At 5 10 In 15 Yrs?

VCMVP1551

09-17-2007, 08:31 PM

People Can Shrink???? I Thought That Could Only Happen If You Get Fat When Your Old. So Like I Can Grow To 6 Feet In 2 Yrs, Then Be Back At 5 10 In 15 Yrs?
if you are young enough to grow 2 more inches you won't shrink in 15 years. You don't shrink until about 50.

VCMVP1551

09-18-2007, 08:13 AM

I am trying to figure out some of the 2008 draft class. What do you think Lebron23?

Michael Beasley was described as closer to 6'8" than his listed 6'9" by nbadraft.net but could be as low as 6'7.25" IMO.

Roy Hibbert looks every bit of his listed 7'2" next to 6'11' Greg Oden who could even be 6'11.5".

Hasheem Thabeet who is listed 7'3" is probably 7'1.5"-7'1.75".

OJ Mayo is listed 6'5" but I think Ray Allen/Dwyane Wade range of 6'3.5"-6'3.75"

Derrick Rose who is listed 6'4" I believe is 6'3"

Nicolas Batum who is listed 6'8" is 6'7.75" and could grow to 6'9"

VCMVP1551

09-18-2007, 08:39 AM

NBA prospect Nicolas Batum is 6'7.75" according to draftexpress

[B]Physically, Batum appears to be ready to play in the NBA, measuring out at 6

Lebron23

09-18-2007, 09:08 AM

VCMVP1551

09-18-2007, 10:35 AM

Yi Jianlian

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/YiJianlianandDJ.jpg

7'0" Yi Jianlian and 6'8 1/2" Dwyane Jones ( 6'10 in shoes)

Height: 7'0 without shoes, 7'1" in shoes
Weight: 248
Wingspan: 7'4.25"
Standing Reach: N/A"
Vertical Leap: 33" standing, 38" running
3/4 Court Sprint: N/A
Lane Agility Drill: N/A seconds
Bench Press 185 lbs.: N/A
College:
High School: N/A
Hometown: ShenZhen, Guangdong, China
Birth Date: 10/27/1987

http://www.yijianliancentral.com/

http://collegehoops.scout.com/2/653769.html

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s170/Legend_Stopper/AlexisAjinca.jpg

7'0 Alexis Ajinca, 6'10 Dirk Nowitzki and 6'7.75" Nicolas Batum of France

Good picture I am suprised Yi's shoes are only 1 inch. Yi will be a very good NBA player. He has the size of Pau Gasol and the skill of Dirk Nowitzki. I think the pre-draft measurements next year will play a huge part in the draft because Michael Beasley's stock could slip if he is only 6'7.25" like I think he is and O.J. Mayo's could slip if he turns out closer to 6'2"-6'3"

VCMVP1551

09-18-2007, 11:01 AM

Kostos Koufos measured 7'1" barefoot with a 7'5" wingspan..source draftexpress.

VCMVP1551

09-18-2007, 11:23 AM

I am trying to figure out all of these strange rumors like Amir Johnson growing to 6'11.5" and Dorell Wright growing to 6'10.5". Andrew Bynum was measured 7'0.25" so him growing to 7'1" seems correct but Dorell Wright was listed just 6'7" when he entered the league and Amir measured 6'9".

VCMVP1551

09-19-2007, 11:53 AM

Hakeem actually claimed he was 6'11" in his autobiography and I also heard he was measured 6'10.75" barefoot but that he told fans he is 6'10". I also heard Hakeem measured 6'10.25". Hakeem doesn't look more than 6'10" next to 7'1" Shaq or 7'0" David Robinson.

Lebron23

09-19-2007, 12:20 PM

Yao Ming is actually only 7'5 their is a picture in the internet where he stood up againts 7'8 3/4 Sun Ming Ming. Yao appear shorter than expected and he was never the full 7'6 that he claims.

Anyway VCMVP1551, when some of the NBA players appear taller than their listed height it means that they are wearing a higher shoes.

VCMVP1551

09-19-2007, 12:28 PM

Yao Ming is actually only 7'5 their is a picture in the internet where he stood up againts 7'8 3/4 Sun Ming Ming. Yao appear shorter than expected and he was never the fulll 7'6 that he claims.

Anyway VCMVP1551, when some of the NBA players appear taller than their listed height it means that they are wearing a higher shoes.

That makes sense Yao is 7'5.75" barefoot and 7'7.25" in shoes and Shaq is 7'1" barefoot and about 7'3" in shoes. Dirk can look 6'11". What do you think about the claims of Amir Johnson being over 6'11" and Dorell Wright being over 6'10? I think Josh Smith grew from his measured 6'7" to 6'8" because he is clearly taller than Dominique Wilkins.

Lebron23

09-19-2007, 12:46 PM

That makes sense Yao is 7'5" barefoot and 7'6.25" in shoes and Shaq is 7'1" barefoot and 7.2.5" in shoes. Dirk can look 6'11". What do you think about the claims of Amir Johnson being over 6'11" and Dorell Wright being over 6'10? I think Josh Smith grew from his measured 6'7" to 6'8" because he is clearly taller than Dominique Wilkins.

We can actually see them when the NBA Starts training camp in less than 2 weeks. This is actually the time that new players, where introduced to the public and they have a photo shoot. It will be posted in NBA.com and i would like to see Dwight Howard and Rashard Lewis together in the photo.

VCMVP1551

09-19-2007, 12:48 PM

We can actually see them when the NBA Starts training camp in less than 2 weeks. This is actually the time that new players, where introduced to the public and they have a photo shoot. It will be posted in NBA.com and i would like to see Dwight Howard and Rashard Lewis together in the photo.

Me too both measured about 6'9" at 18 years old. Dwight claims he did not grow so it will be interesting to see. Andrew Bynum is without a doubt 7'1" did you see the picture I posted of him with 6'11" Andrew Bogut? I hope Amir Johnson and Dorell Wright get playing time but I doubt they are as tall as reported.

Lebron23

09-19-2007, 01:13 PM

Me too both measured 6'9" even at 18 years old. Dwight claims he did not grow so it will be interesting to see. Andrew Bynum is without a doubt 7'1" did you see the picture I posted of him with 6'11" Andrew Bogut? I hope Amir Johnson and Dorell Wright get playing time but I doubt they are as tall as reported.

http://www.nba.com/media/heat/DorellWright_400_060418.jpg

Air Wright

Amir Johnson and Dorell Wright are two of the rising star in the NBA and next season. They will be having a lot of playing time since they are groom to become the next superstar of their team.

Amir Johnson might actually turned into a poor man's version of Kevin Garnett but i still think of him as a Darius Miles type of player. Miles when not on the injured lists is one of the most productive player in the NBA. Just remember his 1st few game with the Portland Trailblazers before his injury and he is almost averaging about 22 PPG.

Wright might actually turns out to become the better players between the two because he was actually a very explosive scorer in High School. Dorell has that athletic ability that makes coaches give him some playing time on the floor. His super quick first step allows him to blaze by almost any defender with almost no effort. Dorell has a nice looking shot that is effective from anywhere on the floor. It is a matter of time if Coach Riley will utilize his skills next season.

High School stats

23.7 PPG, 10.7 RPG, 4.3 BPG, 2.9 SPG 87 Games

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2OBlLV9itI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7Sb3RP-bLA