biggest nba thug now and all time?

[RainierBeachPoet]

let me think about the "now" thugs...

all time: dennis awtrey

what think you?

[Young HkM]

Iverson.

Kicking his wife out the house while she's buttnaked.

Running into somebody house wavin a gun to get his wife back.

+ All the tattoos

+ his du-rags//tattoos//chains//clothes

[KingofVaginville]

Iverson isn't a thug in any way shape or form. He's just a wannabe!

Someone like Kenyon Martin or Bill Laimbeer will qualify as one.

http://www.nba.com/media/paul_180_051130.jpg

Now, that's what thuggish bullies do. Giving a fellow player a wedgie!

[Heelcrazy2]

Iverson.

Kicking his wife out the house while she's buttnaked.

Running into somebody house wavin a gun to get his wife back.

+ All the tattoos

+ his du-rags//tattoos//chains//clothes

You don't even know what happened with this.

What makes AI a thug? Does wearing expensive clothes and having tattoos make you a thug? I really don't think so. Just because AI is true to his roots some people label this thuggish behavior.

I really don't think that makes you a thug.

[Bosh4life]

Now, that's what thuggish bullies do. Giving a fellow player a wedgie

True that.

[Young HkM]

You don't even know what happened with this.

What makes AI a thug? Does wearing expensive clothes and having tattoos make you a thug? I really don't think so. Just because AI is true to his roots some people label this thuggish behavior.

I really don't think that makes you a thug.


1993

A highly publicized incident that almost jeopardized his college career involved in a racially-charged fight at a Hampton, Virginia bowling alley. On February 14, 1993, Iverson and several of his friends became involved in a racially-charged altercation with a group of white teenagers. During the fight, Iverson was accused of attacking a woman and hitting her in the head with a chair. He, along with three of his friends, also black, were the only ones arrested in the incident. Iverson, 17 years of age at the time, was convicted as an adult of the felony charge of "maiming-by-mob" and received a 15-year prison sentence (10 years suspended).

This incident was profiled on the television newsmagazine 60 Minutes due to claims of racial bias in the adjudication of the case. L. Douglas Wilder, at the time Governor of Virginia, became convinced that Iverson had been treated unfairly and controversially granted Iverson clemency, releasing him from his sentence. Iverson's conviction was later overturned on appeal.
[edit]

1997

Iverson was arrested for carrying a concealed weapon and for possession of marijuana. He pleaded no contest and was sentenced to community service.


2002

Iverson allegedy threw his wife Tawanna out of the mansion during a fight. The following night, an enraged Iverson later went looking for his wife at his cousin's apartment. His cousin wouldn't let him in(Iverson was the one who paid the rent for the house).According to the police report, Iverson repeatedly threatened to kill his cousin Charles Jones and Jones's roommate while showing them a semiautomatic gun. Iverson was arrested and charged with 14 different counts. All charges were ultimately dropped after conflicting testimonies from witnesses.


2004

During the latter part of the 2003-2004 season, Iverson bristled under the disciplinarian approach of the Sixers' new head coach Chris Ford. This led to a number of contentious incidents, including Iverson being suspended for missing practice, fined for failing to notify Ford that Iverson would not attend a game because he was sick, and refusing to play in game because he felt "insulted" that Ford wanted Iverson to come off the bench as he worked his way back from an injury.[4]

On February 24, 2004, Iverson, a noted regular casino patron, was spotted at Bally's Park Place in Atlantic City urinating in a trash can in full view of staff and patrons. He was told by casino management not to return.[5]

When the 2004 United States Olympic team gathered in Jacksonville, Fla., for its first exhibition game, Allen Iverson was late. He was suspended for the game.[6]

2005

On December 9, 2005 after the Sixers defeated the Charlotte Bobcats, Iverson paid a late-night visit to the Trump Taj Mahal. After winning a hand at a three-card-stud poker table, Iverson was overpaid $10,000 in chips by a dealer. When the dealer quickly realized the mistake and requested the chips back, Iverson refused and a heated head-turning argument between him and casino staff began. Atlantic City casino regulations reportedly state that when a casino makes a payout mistake in favor of the gambler, he or she must return the money that they did not legitimately win by playing.
(wikipedia)

^^that stuff

Outside the NBA that stuff wouldn't be considered too bad, so i guess he's not a thug, but as far as the NBA goes, he is.

[Sham]

http://www.cantstopthebleeding.com/img/oak.jpg

[KingofVaginville]

I remember watching some NBA show on Spike TV and they showed Oakley smacking Pippen's sharp skull when Pippen was a rookie. Funny sh!t!

[xxxSuperStar]

Rick Mahorn: dubbed by Piston announcer George Blaha, Mahorn was the "Baddest Bad Boy" of them all

[Tarik One]

Outside the NBA that stuff wouldn't be considered too bad, so i guess he's not a thug, but as far as the NBA goes, he is.

That makes NO sense at all. His actions off the court don't make him a thug off the court. Yet those same actions off the court make him a thug on the court? :confusedshrug: Either he is or he's not. Pretty cut and dry.

[SirPresident]

He is simply saying that in contrast to the actions of a normal NBA player he is a thug, though outside of the NBA he may not be, its pretty cut and dry.

[DoubleTech]

http://www.nba.com/media/sonics/fortson_wp_800.jpg

[Randy450]

Dennis Rodman????

[PHXphan]

brevin knight

[Tarik One]

He is simply saying that in contrast to the actions of a normal NBA player he is a thug

I understand that. But you can't just call someone a thug of a league and a non-thug outside of it. Either he is one or not one.

[SecondFiddle]

Hi Tarik One, How is that nice Fat lady doing?
Are your dayz still full of passion?

[In Limbo]

http://www.hoopsvibe.com/IMG/cache-240x240/arton20881-240x240.jpg

[El Kabong]

Was it true that Charles Oakley punched Charles Barkley during the lockout back in 98?

[SecondFiddle]

Was it true that Charles Oakley punched Charles Barkley during the lockout back in 98?

I think he punched Barkley's momma.

[joe lucky]

No mention of MASE? C'mon Anthony Mason was one of the worst thugs of all time. Oakley was more like the dirty but crafty guy I don't associate crafty dudes w/ thugs.
Mahorn is up there too.

[SirPresident]

I understand that. But you can't just call someone a thug of a league and a non-thug outside of it. Either he is one or not one.

No you really don't understand, at all, its not that his actions in real life are different from his actions in basketball, is thats when his actions are looked at in comparison to NBA players they are thugish, however when look at in contrast to other people they would not be.

Thats what this thread is about, who is the thug of the NBA not who is the thug of the NBA who for some reason also has to be a thug when compared to the much lower standards set on other people.

He said compared to other NBA players he is thugish? Is that false, i don't think so.

He then said compared to the general population he is really not that thugish? Is that false, i don't think so. So whats your point here, how was he wrong?

[SecondFiddle]

No mention of MASE? C'mon Anthony Mason was one of the worst thugs of all time. Oakley was more like the dirty but crafty guy I don't associate crafty dudes w/ thugs.
Mahorn is up there too.

You also forgot to mention Kevin Butterworth....

[Young HkM]

That makes NO sense at all. His actions off the court don't make him a thug off the court. Yet those same actions off the court make him a thug on the court? :confusedshrug: Either he is or he's not. Pretty cut and dry.

What I'm trying to say is; compared to the other dudes in the NBA, he's as close to a thug that you'll get, but if you go put him out there with your regular thugs on the street, he doesn't measure up to them when it comes to being a thug (i.e. drug dealing, shootings, robberies)

EDIT: thanks for the help SirPresident

[KGtoGay2k6]

http://www.hoopsvibe.com/IMG/cache-240x240/arton20881-240x240.jpg
lmfao god that pic is priceless

[ShannonElements]

Charles Oakley is the first person to come to mind...

[SecondFiddle]

That guy from sugarhill, he was a thug.

[StarJordan]

Dennis Rodman

[Maestro33]

XMan

[G-train]

Jayson Williams - acts all smoothe and funny, then pops someone.

[XxNeXuSxX]

Darius Miles.

[JtotheIzzo]

http://www.clutchfans.net/images/profiles/Antoine_Carr.jpg

I pack heat so don't falk with me

[TheReturnofCed]

Rick Mahorn
Bill Laimbeer
Danny Fortson
Kermit Washington (wasn't that the guy that smashed Rudy's face?)
Matt Geiger

[Fenris-77]

I vote Fortson. He broke a guys wrist going for a block fer chrissakes! That's pure thug.

[Rasheed1]

aint no thugs in the NBA... just a sheltered suburb kid's fantasy..

stop the nonsense

[Lei]

ron artest for climbing all the way up and throwing punches at fans, did you guys see the tape of that? during the chaos there was a moment when a random fan walked into him and showed a "what r u gonna do" attitude, with no hesitation artest knocked him down like it was the most natural thing on earth to do. I cannot stop laughing everytime I see that part.
you gotta give some credit to that!

[Rasheed1]

Fan was brave to step up like that...brave or really dumb.. there is also a female who immediately gets outta his way when he charges up the steps...I'd be like her...I wouldnt be in his way if he came charging into the stands...

[Lei]

i even saw the new on "economist", thats right, "economist", the magzine normally writes about economics and finance. if ron artest is not the most notorious, he is definitely the most influential.

[Lei]

i even saw the new on "economist", thats right, "economist", the magzine normally writes about economics and finance. if ron artest is not the most notorious, he is definitely the most influential.

[hateraid]

Rick Mahorn
Bill Laimbeer
Danny Fortson
Kermit Washington (wasn't that the guy that smashed Rudy's face?)
Matt Geiger


I was just going to say that. I read an nterview with him on SLAM. This guy was a goon, Donald Brashear style. His life was questionable outside of ball as well. But I think that shot to Rudy T's face made him a changed man.

[RainierBeachPoet]

my original intent was to limit it to on court behavior

thug=a person whose primary role is to be physical and do "enforcement" duties for his team

to me, a thug is different from a dirty player (eg laimbeer); or an out of control action (artest in the stands); of any off court behavior (iverson); or any one time punch (k. washington)

i am a lifetime sonic fan-- danny fortson's main role was to enforce and play physical

but if i am to give a vote for a current player-- potapenko comes to mind

other all timers are maurice lucas, clifford ray, and wes unseld

oakley is a good pick too

[Lei]

there r a few video clips made by someone called yinka dare contain almost every major fight in the nba for the past 20 years. go download those and check out the action, it is entertainment in its ultimate form. you will see some rare stuff like jordan slapping miller, dr J jabbing bird, instant classics like raged camby accidently landed a punch on his then coach van gandy; funny ones like shawn bradly got lifted by some guard and barkey jumping up to knock down a game mascot.

[Heelcrazy2]

(wikipedia)

^^that stuff

Outside the NBA that stuff wouldn't be considered too bad, so i guess he's not a thug, but as far as the NBA goes, he is.


I think that AI has done some bad stuff in his life, but things that he does get blown way out of proportion.

When he was 17 and there was the fight in the bowling alley the only reason that he got in trouble was that he was a high profile black athelete.

There was a reason that the governor later pardoned him. Look it up.

[bruinballer]

if you're talkin on court and not in their personal lives, then i gotta go with bill lambeer as the biggest thug on the court... far more than, say... the lakers' older enforcer, Kurt "Rambo" Rambis... LOL

[houselog442]

I think te biggest thug in the NBA today is Reggie Evans. Any man who grabs another man's TESTICLES during a game is a thug and a pervert!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFcinlrgojk&search=reggie%20evans

[RainierBeachPoet]

although i think that mahorn was a thug, laimbeer's role was to irritate and take people out of their games in other ways

although a rough player, once the opponant was riled up, laimbeer stepped back and was a dramatic innocent. he had this down to a science and knew exactly what he was doing

i am a big reggie evans fan, let me ponder his "thugness" a littl more

[JohnnyBravo5]

The new thug of the NBA is Esteban Batista. He is a walking flagrant foul, he basically ended Lue's season, in practice!:roll:

[JtotheIzzo]

The new thug of the NBA is Esteban Batista. He is a walking flagrant foul, he basically ended Lue's season, in practice!:roll:

How did I know Bravo was gonna find a way to work Lue's name in (a thread about thugs no less).

You are one loyal muthafalka

[JohnnyBravo5]

How did I know Bravo was gonna find a way to work Lue's name in (a thread about thugs no less).

You are one loyal muthafalka

It had nothing to do with Lue jackazz...just relating a story about Esteban.

[JtotheIzzo]

It had nothing to do with Lue jackazz...just relating a story about Esteban.

You brought his name up again!!!:banana:

You must get like a bonus everytime you can get his name up on this message board.

[hateraid]

my original intent was to limit it to on court behavior

thug=a person whose primary role is to be physical and do "enforcement" duties for his team

to me, a thug is different from a dirty player (eg laimbeer); or an out of control action (artest in the stands); of any off court behavior (iverson); or any one time punch (k. washington)

i am a lifetime sonic fan-- danny fortson's main role was to enforce and play physical

but if i am to give a vote for a current player-- potapenko comes to mind

other all timers are maurice lucas, clifford ray, and wes unseld

oakley is a good pick too

But that was Kermit's role before he one timed Rudy. He was sent out to instigate contact on the star players of every team to throw thier games off. He was one scary dude.

[praneel]

AI is a thug, he is hard to the core. Rasheed wallace is a thug, he will pop you in the face and then laugh at you when/if you retaliate. Oakley is a thug. Rodman too, and Artest
of all time, that dude that broke rudy t's face. he hit him so hard, his face literally shattered, now that is a thug.

[dtheck]

hahha I love that Kenyon picture.

[RainierBeachPoet]

david fu(king stern is the biggest thug in the nba

[B-Mac]

Iverson isn't a thug in any way shape or form. He's just a wannabe!

Someone like Kenyon Martin or Bill Laimbeer will qualify as one.

http://www.nba.com/media/paul_180_051130.jpg

Now, that's what thuggish bullies do. Giving a fellow player a wedgie!

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[highwhey]

david fu(king stern is the biggest thug in the nba


http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/07/24/sports/basketball/24nba-600.jpg

[Samurai Swoosh]

David Stern / Kurt Rambis

[Myth]

Isaiah Rider should be in contention for biggest thug.

[lacasner]

Robert Horry/Bruce Bowen

[Detroit]

dennis rodman

and no mentions of rasheed?? lol that guy is a crazy thug:banana:

[Lax4422Chik1342]

Former Boston Celtic of the late 50s and early 60s, Jim Loskotoff was on the roster strictly to be a thug on the court similar to the goon of hockey teams past. if a player got hot Auerbach in one of his psychological ploys would tell Loskotoff to go out and mug the player, he was a 6ft 5 gorila that looked the part, I mean he put the ugggg in ugly. He looked like that ruff neck thug in the Godfather 1, Luca Brazi, the Don's number one strong man.

I never saw it but I've heard old-timers say in Wilt's rookie year he was destroying Russell so Red sent in Loskotoff to ruff Wilt up a bit and after a hard foul Wilt picked him up by the chest with one hand and told him never to do that again, and he never did.

One of the most hard nose players who would never back down and who would have players bigger and heavier than him bounce off him like a rubber ball against a handball court wall was Paul Silas, what a rebounder, he was the key to the Walton led Trailbalzer's glory years, when Bill gets on a roll he will talk marvels about him. Paul also served as Lebron's father in the beginning.

One of the toughest guards built like a fireplug was no-nonsense Al Attles who was with both the Philly and SF Warriors before become a coach for the Golden State edition

The big money made by the players today have eased tensions between them, there's too much lovey-dovey going on before games among opposing players, they are too soft in attitude. The Lakers and the Knicks or Celtics or other rivals never fratenized in the past, there was genuine dislike, now both teams have dinner and party together before and after games.

[Myth]

dennis rodman

and no mentions of rasheed?? lol that guy is a crazy thug:banana:

Nah, those guys are just crazy.

[DinoRadja40]

Primo "The hitman" Brezec:

Why?

Many dont know this, but primo is a for hire assasin, and a contractible hit man. Playing basketball as a cover up in europe, Primo worked for the Russian Mafia carrying out needed hits within game areas. On the side he ran an illegal gambling and prostitution ring. Donnie Walsh with ties to the Russian Mafia and black market, contacted primo on several occasions for interests outside of basketball. Primo was eventually brought into the crime family known as the Indianapolis Pacers,where he sat on the bench and conducted security and other illegal activities, like physical and verbal threatening of refs players and fans. (This is in fact how the pacers got to the ECF so many years.) Primo eventually found Christ Jesus and resigned from his life of crime in lue of better, freer life. Requesting a trade, Primo was surprisingly picked up by the Charlotte bobcats in an expansion draft. We all know the story from there.


Beat that Mr.Walters.

[DuMa]

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x292/SSnitch123/MeloAI.jpg

[SHEED_ gangsta]

Isaiah Rider should be in contention for biggest thug.

agreed. he was next level lol

[SHEED_ gangsta]

Primo "The hitman" Brezec:

Why?

Many dont know this, but primo is a for hire assasin, and a contractible hit man. Playing basketball as a cover up in europe, Primo worked for the Russian Mafia carrying out needed hits within game areas. On the side he ran an illegal gambling and prostitution ring. Donnie Walsh with ties to the Russian Mafia and black market, contacted primo on several occasions for interests outside of basketball. Primo was eventually brought into the crime family known as the Indianapolis Pacers,where he sat on the bench and conducted security and other illegal activities, like physical and verbal threatening of refs players and fans. (This is in fact how the pacers got to the ECF so many years.) Primo eventually found Christ Jesus and resigned from his life of crime in lue of better, freer life. Requesting a trade, Primo was surprisingly picked up by the Charlotte bobcats in an expansion draft. We all know the story from there.


Beat that Mr.Walters.


that's a BIG load of balony

[RainierBeachPoet]

Former Boston Celtic of the late 50s and early 60s, Jim Loskotoff was on the roster strictly to be a thug on the court similar to the goon of hockey teams past. if a player got hot Auerbach in one of his psychological ploys would tell Loskotoff to go out and mug the player, he was a 6ft 5 gorila that looked the part, I mean he put the ugggg in ugly. He looked like that ruff neck thug in the Godfather 1, Luca Brazi, the Don's number one strong man.

I never saw it but I've heard old-timers say in Wilt's rookie year he was destroying Russell so Red sent in Loskotoff to ruff Wilt up a bit and after a hard foul Wilt picked him up by the chest with one hand and told him never to do that again, and he never did.

One of the most hard nose players who would never back down and who would have players bigger and heavier than him bounce off him like a rubber ball against a handball court wall was Paul Silas, what a rebounder, he was the key to the Walton led Trailbalzer's glory years, when Bill gets on a roll he will talk marvels about him. Paul also served as Lebron's father in the beginning.

One of the toughest guards built like a fireplug was no-nonsense Al Attles who was with both the Philly and SF Warriors before become a coach for the Golden State edition

The big money made by the players today have eased tensions between them, there's too much lovey-dovey going on before games among opposing players, they are too soft in attitude. The Lakers and the Knicks or Celtics or other rivals never fratenized in the past, there was genuine dislike, now both teams have dinner and party together before and after games.

i loved pauls silas-- we called him "chairman of the boards" and he was a main reason the sonics won it all in 79

walton's enforcer was maurice lucas

but every team had a guy like that-- to protect the stars and to be enforcers on the court

[DinoRadja40]

that's a BIG load of balony


True, but my brother-in-law and i made it up at a playoff game along time ago when we seen Primo looking sad on the bench in a mafia suit.

[ShowtymeCA2NC]

aint know real thugs in the League...Maybe Steven Jackson ..he is still a member of the BLOODS.........Iverson aint know thug,he just portrays a certain image,I got tatoos,had Cornrows and Dreads,does that make me a thug two???

[Lax4422Chik1342]

i loved pauls silas-- we called him "chairman of the boards" and he was a main reason the sonics won it all in 79

walton's enforcer was maurice lucas

but every team had a guy like that-- to protect the stars and to be enforcers on the court

Sho yo right, my bad....I goofed on the Walton end of the post, Mo Lucas was the enforcer, similar player to Silas. Just like the Big Red, I toked too many Panama Reds in the 70s, it has taken its toil.
,
If "Downtown" Freddie Brown would've played against the Lakers or as he did against the Lakers in all of his other matches he would be in the Hall of Fame and a Top 100 NBA player. He was the number one Laker killer throughout the 70s, I dispised him for beating us so much

Don't forget how well my El Lay homie Dee Jay Johnson played in the rematch series against the Unseld, Chenier(what a shooter), Big E Hayes, Dandridge etc led Bullets that they lost to the year before in part die to Dennis' poor play. The Baltimore team had a forward by the name of Mitch Kupka. The Sonics were indeeed super, Jack Sikma, Gus Williams and Lonnie Sheldon are some of the names I recollect

[BlazersDozen]

Now: Stephen Jackson?? I'm not sure...nobody is very bad ass anymore.
All-Time: Charles Oakley

[omarnyc]

aint know real thugs in the League...Maybe Steven Jackson ..he is still a member of the BLOODS.........Iverson aint know thug,he just portrays a certain image,I got tatoos,had Cornrows and Dreads,does that make me a thug two???


ai dont portray nothin dude is just being himself, what you see is the real deal. he never called himself a thug, other people label him one. a cat like ai will never front or act like he's somethin he's not because he has lived a certain lifestyle. i've been around ai a few times and he is a real dude.

[Optimus Prime]

Alex: This NBA team has the largest collection of thugs ever assembled in one location, and even has a nickname which accurately portrays this amusing fact.

Yes, Optimus?

Optimus: Who are the Denver Thuggets?

Alex: Correct. They are also known as the Denver Nuggets.

Optimus: YESSSSS!

[Mr. V]

Yeah, I don

[ShowtymeCA2NC]

ai dont portray nothin dude is just being himself, what you see is the real deal. he never called himself a thug, other people label him one. a cat like ai will never front or act like he's somethin he's not because he has lived a certain lifestyle. i've been around ai a few times and he is a real dude.


but he aint a thug,,thas all im sayin blood..he aint a thug,there isnt any in the NBA..dudes in the nba might know sum thugs but ....thats about it...yall wanna see some real thugs..come to Oakland..

[mike239489]

Now: S.Jax? Although he has toned things down significantly since coming to Golden State.

I wonder if Davis' departure will make a jigga wanna shoot somebody.

[Mr. V]

Primo "The hitman" Brezec:

Why?

Many dont know this, but primo is a for hire assasin, and a contractible hit man. Playing basketball as a cover up in europe, Primo worked for the Russian Mafia carrying out needed hits within game areas. On the side he ran an illegal gambling and prostitution ring. Donnie Walsh with ties to the Russian Mafia and black market, contacted primo on several occasions for interests outside of basketball. Primo was eventually brought into the crime family known as the Indianapolis Pacers,where he sat on the bench and conducted security and other illegal activities, like physical and verbal threatening of refs players and fans. (This is in fact how the pacers got to the ECF so many years.) Primo eventually found Christ Jesus and resigned from his life of crime in lue of better, freer life. Requesting a trade, Primo was surprisingly picked up by the Charlotte bobcats in an expansion draft. We all know the story from there.


Beat that Mr.Walters.:lol I was wonder why he jumps after every loosball like he

[RoseCity07]

Some how I see Charles Oakley being in prison if he never made it to the NBA. I can just see him roaming a prison yard looking for someone to shank.

[omarnyc]

but he aint a thug,,thas all im sayin blood..he aint a thug,there isnt any in the NBA..dudes in the nba might know sum thugs but ....thats about it...yall wanna see some real thugs..come to Oakland..


yeah i agree he aint no thug, the media put that tag on him because he a real dude who refused to kiss ass or turn his back on the only cats that held him down when he aint have nothin. he's a hood cat but that dont make him a thug. i aint got no doubt yall got thugs in oakland, every hood do, im from brooklyn so i've seen my share.

[Mr. V]

Stephen Jackson was the captain and the leader of that Warriora team. That is all I have to say about that.

[ShowtymeCA2NC]

yeah i agree he aint no thug, the media put that tag on him because he a real dude who refused to kiss ass or turn his back on the only cats that held him down when he aint have nothin. he's a hood cat but that dont make him a thug. i aint got no doubt yall got thugs in oakland, every hood do, im from brooklyn so i've seen my share.


Oh yea,i got some peoples from BK..yea,i KNOW you done seen ya fair share blood,but you right,its all about tha damn media that see a black male,wit tats and cornrows and say he is a thug,it aint right,but its life..see ,i can fux wit you,cuz u dont talk outta ya ass,like most lames on ISH..stay up tho Omar,im out