TI arrested and will stay in jail until Friday. [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

rezznor

10-15-2007, 04:32 PM

ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- After his weekend arrest on gun charges, rapper T.I. will remain in custody until a bond hearing Friday, a federal magistrate said Monday.

The entertainer, whose real name is Clifford Harris, was arrested Saturday just hours before he was scheduled to perform at the BET Hip Hop Awards.

The small court room of Magistrate Judge Alan Baverman was packed with family, supporters and media, but even more people, including the rapper's mother, were turned away because of the overcrowding.

Harris, 27, was arrested in a federal sting after his bodyguard-turned-informant delivered three machine guns and two silencers to the hip-hop star, according to a Justice Department statement. Video Watch a search of the rapper's home

RidonKs

10-15-2007, 04:34 PM

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

L.Kizzle

10-15-2007, 04:36 PM

His ass shouldn't be buying army artillery.

Richie2k6

10-15-2007, 04:36 PM

Can't imagine T.I. holding 3 machine guns. Just doesn't look right with his image.

GOBB

10-15-2007, 04:49 PM

Can't imagine T.I. holding 3 machine guns. Just doesn't look right with his image.

He claims he didnt buy them for himself...moreso the people who are "bodyguards", "entourage" who are liscened to carry. And the guns found are thiers...not his.

Believe what you will with that. You can only hold 1 machine gun in your hand. Cant hold two and damn sure not 3. Think about it.

rezznor

10-15-2007, 04:50 PM

GOBB

10-15-2007, 04:55 PM

doesnt explain the guns found in his bedroom :D this will probably just make him more popular anyways lol

Oh those were definately his. :lol:

He's dumb...had an argument with someone who lives in Atlanta who claimed "You guys just dont realize the predicament he is in. He's recieving death threats. They are people out to get him etc etc" basically implying/saying T.I is just protecting himself. My reply? From what exactly? His big mouth? Maybe if he lost the Napoleon complex in his everyday living maybe he wouldnt have to watch his back. :confusedshrug:

Richie2k6

10-15-2007, 04:56 PM

He claims he didnt buy them for himself...moreso the people who are "bodyguards", "entourage" who are liscened to carry. And the guns found are thiers...not his.

Believe what you will with that. You can only hold 1 machine gun in your hand. Cant hold two and damn sure not 3. Think about it.
Holding as in "in his posession", not necessarily in his hands. :oldlol: Either way, imaging T.I. having anything to do with guns and the sort, just seems odd. This is the same guy who makes songs called "You Know What It Is" and "What You Know About That". Haven't heard him talk about serious gun violence that much. Doesn't have that "hardcore gangster" persona, either.

L.Kizzle

10-15-2007, 04:58 PM

He claims he didnt buy them for himself...moreso the people who are "bodyguards", "entourage" who are liscened to carry. And the guns found are thiers...not his.

Believe what you will with that. You can only hold 1 machine gun in your hand. Cant hold two and damn sure not 3. Think about it.
Why would T.I. buy guns (machine guns at that ) for someone else?

TI, a big superstar rapper who's been in trouble with the law many, many time is just gonna tell his bodyguard, "Hey man, don't worry about it, I'll get you the machine guns?"

Guy is not very smart.:lol:

rezznor

10-15-2007, 05:01 PM

having silencers is worse then having the machine guns to me. u want to blow **** up at the gun range and relive all your rambo fantasies? fine i can see that. silencers? you only get those if your out to murder someone.

GOBB

10-15-2007, 05:15 PM

Why would T.I. buy guns (machine guns at that ) for someone else?

Becuase they cant afford them? Because he wants the people around him heavily armed? I'm not arguing it wasnt stupid. Just saying he purchased 3 machine guns...T.I can hold one (can he even handle it?) but the other 2 do what? Rest in the closet? Buys them for show? I can definately see T.I purchasing these weapons for his entourage/friends/bodyguards whatever they are called. Wouldnt be surprised if dude is a bit nutty after his close friend was killed as they drove on the highway and some clowns shot up his ride. :confusedshrug:

having silencers is worse then having the machine guns to me. u want to blow **** up at the gun range and relive all your rambo fantasies? fine i can see that. silencers? you only get those if your out to murder someone.

Yea....but the fact that he has a legal profession making a lot of cash that he has to worry about his life, family, friends safety is retarded. Folks who are in the streets do...people with professions shouldnt. I dont think he can leave that lifestyle he grew up in alone. Cuz some of the folks he surrounds himself with that he is loyal too are still in the streets.

T.I is dumb. Make music. Do concerts, shows. Run your businesses (dude has a business building homes in Atlanta). Collect checks and look for future business ventures. Sounds simple to me. :hammerhead:

F*cker gonna end up Vick's cellmate. :oldlol:

DatZNasty

10-15-2007, 07:08 PM

Doesn't some so bad when you think of it as well he just had a few guns and is a felon, but when you see all the guns he had it's like what the ****, was he and his crew about to go to war? Credit to BenFranklinAve on NT for looking up and uploading these pictures

C-15, .223 caliber pistol
http://i21.tinypic.com/4udvvb.jpg

H&K, Model SP89, 9mm caliber machine
gun
http://i23.tinypic.com/2ibdpjp.jpg

Ingram M10 9mm
http://i20.tinypic.com/n3kleq.jpg

SWD M11, 9mm
http://www.supercharger.net/private/NFA/m11-pimp.jpg

Calico 960 9mm
http://world.guns.ru/smg/calico960.jpg

Smith & Wesson .500 Revolver
http://www.pheasantridgeguns.com/images/sw500.jpg

Smith & Wesson .460 Revolver
http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/smith_163460.jpg

Colt AR15 .223
http://www.pdmall.com/1/1/1%205663.jpg

DPMS model AP4 .308
http://i21.tinypic.com/2agwaat.jpg

GOBB

10-15-2007, 07:09 PM

Federal agents used T.I.'s own bodyguard to set him up. According to a person intimately close to the investigation, T.I.'s bodyguard was arrested earlier this year for gun possession charges. Instead of accepting the charge, the bodyguard agreed to cooperate with federal agents and participate in a sting operation designed to catch rapper T.I. The bodyguard offered T.I. to purchase a machine gun from him. T.I. did, and then the feds moved in and arrested him and girlfriend Tiny. After the arrest, the agents conducted a search of T.I.'s home where they found weapons including machine guns and silencers. T.I. arrest was a complete set up.

Danm bodyguard straight snitched on T.I

[QUOTE]Here are the exclusive photos of T.I. and his crew getting arrested yesterday in Atlanta just hours before he was due to perform at the BET Hip Hop Awards. So far no photos of T.I. himself have surfaced, but we

DatZNasty

10-15-2007, 07:11 PM

Can only post 10 images per post. Here's the rest

Colt .44 Magnum
http://i22.tinypic.com/5xof4n.jpg

CAI 7.62 x 39 caliber rifle
http://i21.tinypic.com/2u7vz0i.jpg

Bushmaster 5.56
http://i20.tinypic.com/huq684.jpg

White Chocolate

10-15-2007, 08:42 PM

Hey T.I., what you know about that? :roll: :roll: :roll:

DatZNasty

10-15-2007, 09:24 PM

http://projects.ajc.com/gallery/view/metro/atlanta/guns1016/#homepage_tab_newstab#homepage_tab_newstab

Actual pics of some of the guns seized here. You can't even play the "self defense" card with this kind of heat. This is take out a small village territory here. Plus he had silencers, which in some states an automatic minimum 5 yrs. Just copy and paste the names of some of these guns into a youtube search and see the damage they're capable. I'd hate to see a criminal who was dumb enough to break into TI's house, assuming TI's 5'2 frail ass frame can even handle the weight and recoil of some of these.

qwerty

10-15-2007, 09:25 PM

NVM... Datznasty beat me to it.

GOBB

10-15-2007, 09:30 PM

Damn@those guns :eek:

DatZNasty

10-15-2007, 10:15 PM

They actually found even more guns than the ones I originally posted when they searched his home. But all the "TI's guns will **** you up" talk was kind of hollow if you don't know guns so I searched a few youtubes of the ones they initially found. I believe all these are correct

C15 .223 caliber

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLhTVHIZm2s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBR_MfYd5hc

DPMS model AP4 .308

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCH8TSm_Wdg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3dBqua5czc

Bushmaster 5.56

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68k6s_cRDu8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEkptkJHmxs

44 Magnum

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jqkf3EK0fRk (peep the kickback)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cyNQ-kHKbM (again, the kickback is ridiculous)

H&K, Model SP89, 9mm caliber machine
gun

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy6dyLh6Ijc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQxayuqtLCo

Ingram Mac 10 9mm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DuYxd7Dk1g (eek at the rounds per second, before you can think to yourself to take your finger off the trigger you have shot like 10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQgOOq5S7gI

Calico 960 9mm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqW3JvrHKrk

SWD Mac 11, 9mm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdxvy7El_Mg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhaJNqWdpxg

Smith & Wesson .500 Revolver

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPClbqPP4ic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHES6vXcKsY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoW8nHIVuRk

Colt AR-15

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur-W16NctQU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK8XQBfSlRs

Smith & Wesson .460 revolver

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5V0hL_rwHfI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znblLF4NOQs

Rockets(T-mac)

10-15-2007, 10:55 PM

T.I guns? :lol: What is he going to do with them?

Noob Saibot

10-16-2007, 12:49 AM

T.I. = the African-American Tony Montana

brwnman

10-16-2007, 02:07 AM

wow... remember his punk'd sketch? foreshadowing? indeed...

Phenom

10-16-2007, 03:51 AM

So the bodyguard got caught up, then offered a plea deal in which to catch T.I. up? That's some kind of illegal tactics, got to be.

Should've never stuck his nose into politics. Should've stuck to 'trap music'.

Cannonball

10-16-2007, 09:26 AM

Holding as in "in his posession", not necessarily in his hands. :oldlol: Either way, imaging T.I. having anything to do with guns and the sort, just seems odd. This is the same guy who makes songs called "You Know What It Is" and "What You Know About That". Haven't heard him talk about serious gun violence that much. Doesn't have that "hardcore gangster" persona, either.
um? ruberband man?

9 in the right 45 in the other hand.

dgbigballer9329

10-16-2007, 09:55 AM

Holding as in "in his posession", not necessarily in his hands. Either way, imaging T.I. having anything to do with guns and the sort, just seems odd. This is the same guy who makes songs called "You Know What It Is" and "What You Know About That". Haven't heard him talk about serious gun violence that much. Doesn't have that "hardcore gangster" persona, either.

Cosigned the guy before me. TI might be about 42 pounds underweight but he's always talking about guns. Just off the top of my head, some lyrics that come to mind from his hits:

"Loaded 4 4 on the low where the cheese at, fresh of the jet to the jects where the gs at"

"So what i'm rich ho I still'll pull a kick do'"

"Never slippin, got the baretta in vision....I'm ready to pop the clip in, ready to get to trippin"

"I've been trapping, shooting pistols since I stood four feet"

"I gotta a strong mind to grab my dro nine....and shoot at your ass for a long time"

That's just on his popular songs that I can think of. I don't have a TI album but I'm sure he talks about guns on at least 75% of his songs. I actually like TI but he definitely glorifies guns.

Durant35

10-16-2007, 10:03 AM

Wow, Those are nice looking guns you can only see in Movies.

Hurlyburly

10-16-2007, 10:18 AM

Why does he need those guns? Why does ANY millionaire rapper need guns? It doesn't make sense.

Da KO King

10-16-2007, 10:20 AM

TI is an idiot.

Why the hell would you trust a bodyguard who has only been working for you since July to buy that sort of firepower? Why would you buy them illegally when you have enough people living in your home that you can have them register it under their name?

Some people just don’t think things through.

Da KO King

10-16-2007, 10:22 AM

Why does he need those guns? Why does ANY millionaire rapper need guns? It doesn't make sense.
Rappers, and basketball players, are targets for criminals. Many of your favorite rappers have probaly been robbed or shot at.

Hurlyburly

10-16-2007, 10:24 AM

Rappers, and basketball players, are targets for criminals. Many of your favorite rappers have probaly been robbed or shot at.

What kind of environment are they in that they are getting shot at? You get money, you move into a gated community and hang around places where gun shots aern't gonna happen.

If you're making millions and still want to hang in the hood and keep it real then you deserve to get shot.

Kids dream all their lives for a way to get out of the hood, then you find a way and still want to stay in the hood? Nice role model.

rezznor

10-16-2007, 10:29 AM

Rappers, and basketball players, are targets for criminals. Many of your favorite rappers have probaly been robbed or shot at.
rappers and basket ball players can afford to hire bodyguards and not get their own hands dirty.

Da KO King

10-16-2007, 10:49 AM

What kind of environment are they in that they are getting shot at? You get money, you move into a gated community and hang around places where gun shots aern't gonna happen.

If you're making millions and still want to hang in the hood and keep it real then you deserve to get shot.

Kids dream all their lives for a way to get out of the hood, then you find a way and still want to stay in the hood? Nice role model.
You're either an idealistic or just have no concept of reality.

You don't have to hang around a particular place to be a victim. Andray Blatche was followed home from a bowling alley when he was shot. Eddy Curry and Antoine Walker were both robbed in their homes this summer. Sebastian Telfair was robbed at gunpoint in a garage across the street from P Diddy's midtown Manhattan restaurant.

You people need to get it out of your head that crime only happens in the 'hood. Many of the entertainment industry's most infamous crimes have happened in high population or affluent areas.

Hurlyburly

10-16-2007, 11:51 AM

Oh, okay, then I understand why someone would want a cache of weapons that could be labeled as intent to commit a terrorist attack. :confusedshrug:

I don't even have a problem with a rapper carrying a gun with a permit. I understand the protection aspect, but a large cache of automatic weapons? Come on. That's nothing more than a plea for street cred. :no:

Da KO King

10-16-2007, 12:14 PM

You're trying to move the goalpost on me.

You said why does any millionaire rapper need guns" and I explained they are targets for criminals.

Then you made a comment about "enviroment" to which I explained that most of the infamous crimes (Tupac and Biggie for examples) have been in affluent or highly populated areas.

Now you're switching your complaint to the types of weapons he owned.

DatZNasty

10-16-2007, 12:39 PM

Well, I do agree that both the type and the number of guns do far surpass the "self defense" argument, especially the silencers. I don't think he was going to go out and just mass murder a village (which he could) either, but he's a felon and in being a felon you no longer have the right to bear arms. Furthermore, the sting that he got caught up in and his bodyguard should have screamed setup from the beginning. Like you said, if he is going to have such an obsession with guns (I've heard he has a napoleon complex probably stemming from his height), he could have been way smarter about it.

But what was his bodyguard who set him up thinking? He's only going to get murked as soon as he gets back out in the streets.

And he has been a target for a while, even had members of his crew shot at and one killed not too long ago so you could see where he would be paranoid.

Hurlyburly

10-16-2007, 12:40 PM

DatZNasty

10-16-2007, 12:43 PM

Tupac was shot in Vegas during a Tyson fight. He wasn't shot while he was grocery shopping at a Wal-Mart on a Sunday morning. And besides, Tupac was one of those people who was going to end up getting shot anyways cause the guy was a ****ing moron. That would have never ended good.
but on the strip, which debunks your implication that crime only happens in the "hood." And 2Pac was far from a moron, but that's not worth arguing.

Hurlyburly

10-16-2007, 12:59 PM

but on the strip, which debunks your implication that crime only happens in the "hood." And 2Pac was far from a moron, but that's not worth arguing.

Was Tupac not involved in a brawl an hour or so before he was shot? But that's neither here nor there because it had nothing to do with why he got shot *sigh* He was just an innocent bystander.

And I shouldn't call him a moron, because obviously he wasn't. He got a billion white and black kids alike to buy into his hypocritical stance of beating a female one second and protecting her from scum of the earth men who beat them the next. Preying on the ignorance of the youth for the benefit of your wallet is pretty genius.

rezznor

10-16-2007, 01:21 PM

but on the strip, which debunks your implication that crime only happens in the "hood." And 2Pac was far from a moron, but that's not worth arguing.

he was not a random victim. he was targeted because of his lifestyle, much like the rest of the rappers who are "afraid for their life". they put themselves in that situation.

GOBB

10-16-2007, 01:23 PM

And he has been a target for a while, even had members of his crew shot at and one killed not too long ago so you could see where he would be paranoid

How much of that does he bring on himself? I read he had an altercation with cats after his concert/show and them dudes followed T.I and his peoples and gunshots erupted. That how his friend got killed. Maybe I got the story wrong, correct me if I'm wrong.

T.I puts a lot of provoking lyrics and has this tough guy personoa ie napoleon complex imo that gets him into trouble. I'm starting to believe if you constantly put out negative energy via words it catches back up to you. But a large part of that is lifestyle as well. T.I moved out of the hood but he didnt leave the traits, mentality behind nor did he leave his peoples. And not saying he should but if you gonna be loyal to your folks u grew up with you gotta get them on the straight and narrow. I dunno.

We've seen how T.I reacted when a water bottle was thrown. Not saying he was wrong to react...but if you listen to the things he says? Is anyone shocked that someone or a few people wanna get at him? I dont think cats are just out to f*ck with T.I. Not saying there arent but i think the majority of the time T.I is the one provoking, starting the drama...then others address it and now T.I is on the defensive.

Hurlyburly

10-16-2007, 01:27 PM

Sharas

10-16-2007, 01:42 PM

that's enough guns for a small army. and silencers:confusedshrug: i really don't know how can anyone pull a self-defense card in this case:confusedshrug: what's the point of silenced gun if you're shooting in self-defense?

DatZNasty

10-16-2007, 02:13 PM

Have guys like Del The Funkee Homosapien, DJ Shadow, Prince Paul, Dan The Automator, or DJ Premier ever gotten in trouble for silly street cred **** before?

These are some of my faves, and I'm just curious if these guys who make music as a way of being an artist/musician instead of as a way to act tough/cool get in as much trouble.
No, at the same time they're less of targets because of being less famous and less rich as well. One of my favorite progressive hip hop acts is Brand Nubian, for example. Who would ever rob them?

I agree all the violence and negativity is a side effect of the culture which glorifies this grandioso machismo alpha male mentality. I was just saying not all violence happens in the hood or from rich rappers being so stupid they go back to their old neighborhoods like HurlyBurly had originally stated.

TI will definitely do some time. Besides being a 7x felon, this is a federal case and not a city or county matter. Federal charges stick like 95% of the time, because the feds don't just frivolously bring up charges and cases that won't stick.

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Member of rapper T.I.

dgbigballer9329

10-16-2007, 02:16 PM

Have guys like Del The Funkee Homosapien, DJ Shadow, Prince Paul, Dan The Automator, or DJ Premier ever gotten in trouble for silly street cred **** before?

These are some of my faves, and I'm just curious if these guys who make music as a way of being an artist/musician instead of as a way to act tough/cool get in as much trouble.

You're not curious, you're picking rappers who don't rap about the types of things TI raps about. And you have a point.

But think about it. If TI tries rapping about the stuff Del Tha Funky Homosapien does, you think he ever gets rich in the first place??? Almost undoubtedly not. So he makes money with skills + image around the skills (trap music, 7-time felon what I care about a case man? yadda yadda), which is now a double-edged sword. Because he's got to live up to that to maintain his image or be viewed as a sell-out to not only everyone he grew up with but the people who bought his music. You think Kyle Larson from Boulder, CA wants to hear TI rap about intellectual things?

So you're right, it's his fault for trying to act tough/cool, and the repercussions can be either jail or getting killed......but acting cool/tough got him all the money he got in life in the first place, too. Many rappers are able to mature out of that.........I mean, Jay-Z rapped about the same kinds of things before evolving. But it's not easy.

Richie2k6

10-16-2007, 02:16 PM

Why does he need those guns? Why does ANY millionaire rapper need guns? It doesn't make sense.
'Cuz they be gangsta, ya dig?

Hurlyburly

10-16-2007, 02:34 PM

:applause:
You're not curious, you're picking rappers who don't rap about the types of things TI raps about. And you have a point.

But think about it. If TI tries rapping about the stuff Del Tha Funky Homosapien does, you think he ever gets rich in the first place??? Almost undoubtedly not. So he makes money with skills + image around the skills (trap music, 7-time felon what I care about a case man? yadda yadda), which is now a double-edged sword. Because he's got to live up to that to maintain his image or be viewed as a sell-out to not only everyone he grew up with but the people who bought his music. You think Kyle Larson from Boulder, CA wants to hear TI rap about intellectual things?

So you're right, it's his fault for trying to act tough/cool, and the repercussions can be either jail or getting killed......but acting cool/tough got him all the money he got in life in the first place, too. Many rappers are able to mature out of that.........I mean, Jay-Z rapped about the same kinds of things before evolving. But it's not easy.

:applause:

Excellent post. I agree wholeheartedlty . It is a Catch-22. On one hand, you can use your intelligence and make music/hip-hop that actually means something but not make much money, but be able to sleep at night knowing you aern't a ****ing fraud, or you can sell your self out to white kids from the burbs and make alot of money for white record execs.

It's just that I don't think Rosa Parks sat down in the front of the bus so that years down the line black guys would be able to make money talking about how they slap hoes and shoot ******. She did it so that black men could have a chance to get a college degree and better themselves and their families. Gangsta rappers give white people a reason to be racist, hip-hop musicians make it difficult for white people to criticize black music.

I just think black people as a race would be alot better off without some of the music they produce.

GOBB

10-16-2007, 02:39 PM

I like T.I's music...been a fan for a long time. I'll alwyas listen to his music.

Da KO King

10-16-2007, 02:43 PM

We've seen how T.I reacted when a water bottle was thrown. Not saying he was wrong to react...
Not dissputing your point but that water bottle incident is bullsht. It's part of his outdoor show. A few weeks after it happened he gave the exact same "5 G's on your head" speech after getting a water ballon throw in his direction at another outdoor concert.

Have guys like Del The Funkee Homosapien, DJ Shadow, Prince Paul, Dan The Automator, or DJ Premier ever gotten in trouble for silly street cred **** before?Del is a Cali guy so he's out my element and I'm not big fans of the others but you're wrong about Premier. He was the victim of an attempted robbery a few years ago.

Criminals are not picking and choosing based on lyrical content. If they know you have money they will test you. It's why many rappers roll with such large entourages- safety in numbers.

GOBB

10-16-2007, 02:44 PM

:lol: Didnt know that bout the water bottle incident. Cool.

Phenom

10-16-2007, 02:47 PM

:applause:

:applause:

Excellent post. I agree wholeheartedlty . It is a Catch-22. On one hand, you can use your intelligence and make music/hip-hop that actually means something but not make much money, but be able to sleep at night knowing you aern't a ****ing fraud, or you can sell your self out to white kids from the burbs and make alot of money for white record execs.

It's just that I don't think Rosa Parks sat down in the front of the bus so that years down the line black guys would be able to make money talking about how they slap hoes and shoot ******. She did it so that black men could have a chance to get a college degree and better themselves and their families. Gangsta rappers give white people a reason to be racist, hip-hop musicians make it difficult for white people to criticize black music.

I just think black people as a race would be alot better off without some of the music they produce.

:rockon: Preach!

DatZNasty

10-16-2007, 02:50 PM

But anybody who is taking rap as a true representation of black people, is an anus and their opinion not worthy of being taken serious anyways, whether they have their own tv show on FoxNews or not.

It's just unfortunate that the depiction of black people is so overwhelmingly negative, and even moreso that that front is being lead by "our" network B.E.T, who literally cancels the News, Teen Summit, The Center; anything that can be considered even remotely thought provoking in favor of adding more of that same depiction and glorification of stereotypes, shows like The Wire, American Gangster (which they literally promote by saying "learn about some of the most famous, hardest black criminals up next!), and playing more hood movies.

It's a vicious cycle. While at the same it is "just entertainment," there is huge faction of young black kids coming up who get the idea that that is what it means to be black. That's why you might hear one black kid say to another that he is acting white if he's choosing to focus on studies in favor of just being in the streets. I've heard it before, been called whitewashed. I wish we could get away from that type of thinking. Allowing yourself to be labeled and conforming to that is just holding yourself back.

Then you have white people who look at this and think that's how we all are, because that depiction is all they see of us. You don't hear about the millions of black people who are just minding their own business, trying to make a better life for themselves as much as the ones who are into something negative. Makes it easy for people to attack us, see it all the time. I don't particularly care about the opinions of guys like O'Reilly, Imus, Limbaugh, John Gibson, etc. but when you have such a huge audience and a platform, that gives a lot of power to spread your opinion.

There's a group called Enough is Enough and a campaign called Boycott BET, and they're the ones who protested in front of BET's CEO's house last month 5,000 deep. Another site I like to link people to is http://www.abolishthenword.com

Doomsday Dallas

10-16-2007, 02:57 PM

Hurlyburly

10-16-2007, 03:01 PM

I agree that it's terribly unfortunate that the way black people are viewed is by the way rappers present themselves. And it's not even like black people did it to themselves. White people did it to them when they realized they could make money off them by making them do the things white people hate them for. Acting ghetto.

BET was NEVER like it is now. When Robert Johnson was in charge, it was respectable. It used to show jazz, and blues, and was basically about the African American culture. But once gangsta rap hit, the climate changed, and it changed for the worse.

But to be fair, rappers are ****ing it up for ALL black people. Yeah, they're making money, but the bad image they're giving their own people is something no amount of money will EVER be able to fix.

And it seems there is no end in sight. Now places like MTV are giving awards to the ghettoest rappers. They're getting recognition while the rappers who are actually doing good and bringing something educated and intellectual to the table are left to the bargain bins at indie stores. It's awful.

But that's America for you.

DatZNasty

10-16-2007, 04:36 PM

It's somewhat relevant, but how bout the irony of shooting a video titled "I'm So Hood," in a studio in front of a green screen?
http://realtalkny.rawkus.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/PicsImSoHoodRemixVideoShoot_6C82/z1.jpg

http://realtalkny.rawkus.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/PicsImSoHoodRemixVideoShoot_6C82/z4.jpg

http://realtalkny.rawkus.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/PicsImSoHoodRemixVideoShoot_6C82/z8.jpg

Arrested Development- Mr. Wendall (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pi85wNlmXk)

Doomsday Dallas

10-16-2007, 04:53 PM

It's a vicious cycle. While at the same it is "just entertainment," there is huge faction of young black kids coming up who get the idea that that is what it means to be black. That's why you might hear one black kid say to another that he is acting white if he's choosing to focus on studies in favor of just being in the streets. I've heard it before, been called whitewashed. I wish we could get away from that type of thinking. Allowing yourself to be labeled and conforming to that is just holding yourself back.

Look... when a black KID calls another black KID a sell-out or
white washed.... or however you want to call it,

then just remember this.... They are kids!...... immature.....
Most of the rap today feeds off the stupidity of middle-school
youngsters that DON'T know what life is like when you're confronted
with the real world. That's what sucks about being a teen.....
Little kids tryin to act like they know what time it is, when it's
obvious they don't have a clue. All they know is that they are
sooo hood..... :hammerhead:

Now if a black MAN calls another black MAN a sell-out or
white washed.... or however you want to call it,

then he really is a ghetto piece of $hit..... or he just really hates white people.

kenuffff

10-16-2007, 08:57 PM

silencers aren't illegal in most states. most of what he had was perfectly legal for someone NOT a felon to have and im sure there are plenty of people with more guns than what he was caught with, he was caught up trying to purchase altered guns or whatever. btw im not sure who that crap was for but most of it was impractical for self-defense, first off drum magazines jam very easily the weight throws off the aim of the gun, its only good for supressive fire i wouldn't use it if i actually wanted to do something other than spray and pray i hit something. the pistols with the exception of that 45 which was pretty nice btw, were stupid as well a long barrell gun is hard to conceal its difficult to shoot a 44 not to mention his 50 calibur with any accuracy and you'de definately break your wrist if you tried to shoot one handed.. all he needed was the ar-15 and a good tactical shotgun and his .45 for home defense.