Are these Players a Bust?

[xxxSuperStar]

Are these players a bust or are you still holding out that they will turn into stars?

To Be a Bust They Have to Have Been Drafted in the Top 10...

Marvin Williams
Shaun Livingston
Adam Morrison
Andrew Bogut
Martell Webster :roll:
Devin Harris
Darko Milicic :roll:

[statman32]

Are these players a bust or are you still holding out that they will turn into stars?

To Be a Bust They Have to Have Been Drafted in the Top 10...

Marvin Williams
Shaun Livingston
Adam Morrison
Andrew Bogut
Martell Webster :roll:
Devin Harris
Darko Milicic :roll:
I don't know why you laugh about Webster. He showed flashes of promise last year. Actually the only player who has showed no promise is Morrison and I would still give him a little bit of time.

But...If your looking at these players to ever become more than just borderline all stars you are going to be dissapointed though.

[KWALI]

yes....I think Webster is the only exception how high was he picked?

[Phenith]

I will rate these based on if they have meet the expectations(however unrealistic)

Marvin Williams - bust(has a long way to go yet)
Shaun Livingston - bust(too frail)
Adam Morrison - bust(bench specialist/spot starter)
Andrew Bogut - bust(steady presence, just needs to make it a bigger steady presence)
Martell Webster - bust(yeah, flashes, that's it)
Devin Harris - bust(he may have the confidence of the franchise, but if he doesn't improve anymore he is a bust)
Darko Milicic - bust(got a bad start to his career, he will never live up to being #2 in that amazing draft.

I would say the only ones that may yet live up to their potential are Bogut, Harris and Williams.

Bogut was never expected to be a superstar, he was expected to be the solid steady all around center. He has achieved that in a way, but he is still expected to improve some more before people will be happy with him.

Harris needs to turn into a 35+mpg guy with some minor stat improvments before he is taken seriously. He has shown he belongs so he is half way there... now to improve some more and put a solid high MPG season behind him and I would take him out of the bust category.

Williams had such hype around him coming in that it will be hard for him to live upto it. But he will be a solid NBA pro, even though it may not be enough for him to reach the fairly unreasonable expectations.

[xxxSuperStar]

I don't know why you laugh about Webster. He showed flashes of promise last year. Actually the only player who has showed no promise is Morrison and I would still give him a little bit of time.

But...If your looking at these players to ever become more than just borderline all stars you are going to be dissapointed though.

Yeah, he is SO young. I'd take back that laugh. He's not too bad, but needs to take some BIG steps in the next few years.

[G-train]

None of those guys are busts yet, except Darko (and he has only really had 18 months of opportunity).
THey are not even close! Morrison a bust after one year! GIve me a break. Marvin Williams after two years at 22 years old and improving??!!!

Olowokandi is a bust. Kwame Brown is a bust. Give them at least 4 or 5 years.

[ForceOfNature]

Are these players a bust or are you still holding out that they will turn into stars?

To Be a Bust They Have to Have Been Drafted in the Top 10...

Marvin Williams
Shaun Livingston
Adam Morrison
Andrew Bogut
Martell Webster :roll:
Devin Harris
Darko Milicic :roll:

Not a single one of those players are busts... except MAYBE Bogut.

[Durant35]

I do not think that Marvin Williams is a busts he average 13 points/7 rebounds in his sophomore season despite playing along side Josh Smith and he is one of the best player in the Pre Season games after averaging 19 PPG.

I just wish that he will be traded to the Cavaliers because he would be an excellent sidekick of Lebron James and he is also a player that is very agile and athletic for his size.

[Valliant13]

What standard would they have to meet to not be a bust?

Solid Bench player?
Key Role player?
Productive starter?
Reliable second option?
Best player on the team?
All Star?
MVP?

[BankShot]

Martell Webster is going to have a big year, and even though I don't think a 3rd year player should be considered for the MIP award, he might show the improvement to deserve it.

He's a tall jumpshooting wingman that had zero confidence in his shot the last two years, which can really hurt a young shooter like him.

He has torn it up in the preseason so far, and given Brandon Roy's injury that may keep him out of the first few weeks of the season, he's going to get a chance at some serious minutes until Roy gets back.

I think he'd be a better fitting starting small forward than Outlaw, and would better complement their bigs and Roy.

[xxxSuperStar]

What standard would they have to meet to not be a bust?

Solid Bench player?
Key Role player?
Productive starter?
Reliable second option?
Best player on the team?
All Star?
MVP?

As a top 5 pick, which they ALL were, it would have to be at LEAST reliable second option. Will ANY of those players ever be that? Will ANY make an all-star team?

[Myth]

What standard would they have to meet to not be a bust?

Solid Bench player?
Key Role player?
Productive starter?
Reliable second option?
Best player on the team?
All Star?
MVP?

I define (at least today) a bust as a hyped or 1st round drafted player that does not meet any of the levels that you mentioned above. Players that come in with a ton of hype may be major disappointments, but if they reached any of those listed levels, they have found their place in the league.

[KWALI]

Webster was picked in the top 5? Wow....Hmmm...Harris two but that was based on need along with talent

[xxxSuperStar]

Webster was picked in the top 5? Wow....Hmmm...Harris two but that was based on need along with talent

No, sorry, Webster was picked 6th

[G-train]

he was pick 6

[kentatm]

As a top 5 pick, which they ALL were, it would have to be at LEAST reliable second option. Will ANY of those players ever be that? Will ANY make an all-star team?


I'm not sure the Mavs ever saw Harris as a second option on offense ahead of Dirk or Howard (or the many other players that were there when he was drafted)

[BankShot]

As a top 5 pick, which they ALL were, it would have to be at LEAST reliable second option. Will ANY of those players ever be that? Will ANY make an all-star team?

So Al Horford is expected to be a #2 scoring option... JJ is obviously #1, but that leaves out Josh Smith (a future allstar maybe) and Marvin Willimas (picked 1 spot ahead of him, so shouldn't he by your standards have to be better?)

[xxxSuperStar]

So Al Horford is expected to be a #2 scoring option... JJ is obviously #1, but that leaves out Josh Smith (a future allstar maybe) and Marvin Willimas (picked 1 spot ahead of him, so shouldn't he by your standards have to be better?)

The Hawks have a top 5 pick every year so that thinking obviously won't work with that team. Let's focus on NORMAL teams.

If I had a GM who said, I expect to get a role player with the top 5 pick, I'd be pissed.

[jimmyjames]

None of those guys are busts yet, except Darko (and he has only really had 18 months of opportunity).
THey are not even close! Morrison a bust after one year! GIve me a break. Marvin Williams after two years at 22 years old and improving??!!!

Olowokandi is a bust. Kwame Brown is a bust. Give them at least 4 or 5 years.Co-Sign

Darko is the only bust up there so far IMO.


Yeah Kmame and the Kandi Man are 2 of the biggest busts in NBA history..... I have been telling people in L.A. this for a long time. I have a gut feeling but I think Oden is going to be a bust along with Bynum. We will know whether this is true a few years from now.

[Heretik32]

Anyone labeling a rookie a bust has to be paddled on the head. Seriously.

[BankShot]

Anyone labeling a rookie a bust has to be paddled on the head. Seriously.

agreed. kinda off topic, but also you shouldn't be eligible to win the MIP award until at least your 3rd or 4th year in the league (so no MIP for Aldridge or Bargnani)

[sick_brah07]

first of all darko is 22 years old if he goes till 25 and hasnt done jack then he is a bust, and why is bogut considered a bust? how do u expect him do well in the scoring department wen he is playign with michael redd (good shooter\scorer) and mo williams a scoring guard

[jimmyjames]

first of all darko is 22 years old if he goes till 25 and hasnt done jack then he is a bust, and why is bogut considered a bust? how do u expect him do well in the scoring department wen he is playign with michael redd (good shooter\scorer) and mo williams a scoring guardHe isn't going to do jack get real he is a bust! Good point about Bogut....:applause: I consider him a bust also. Mike Dunlevy 9however you spell that scrubs name) is a bust....

[loot]

some kids who are calling these players busts claimed bynum was the next best thing in bball... so uhmm... *closes window*

[jimmyjames]

some kids who are calling these players busts claimed bynum was the next best thing in bball... so uhmm... *closes window*lol I called Bynum a bust! and he is! haha

[LootOP]

Marvin Williams - No
Shaun Livingston - No
Adam Morrison - Yes
Andrew Bogut - No
Martell Webster - No(injuries)
Devin Harris - No
Darko Milicic - Yes

[CP3PO]

Too early to declare Adam Morrison a bust. He just needs a little more time.

[moaz]

how big was the shovel to dig this one?

[LootOP]

how big was the shovel to dig this one?
Its the right time to call people busts. 9 years ago it wasnt.